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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsCall me naive
Isn't the bigger issue that the IRS has been giving tax exempt status 501 (c) 4, which is for social welfare groups, to organizations that are clearly political??? Would someone please identify an organization that has Tea Party in it's name which gives one rat's ass about social welfare??
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Call me naive (Original Post)
TNNurse
May 2013
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JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)1. They only care about the social welfare of their Republican candidates.
madokie
(51,076 posts)3. Very true
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sinkingfeeling
(51,457 posts)2. Hi, Naive. Good question.
TheFutureWillCome
(36 posts)5. ha
you beat me to it
Electric Monk
(13,869 posts)4. Then David Horsey is naive, too
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/topoftheticket/la-na-tt-real-scandal-20130514,0,3072138.story
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as the outrage revs into high gear, let me offer a contrarian perspective: As inept as the IRS may have been in the way they processed applications for 501(c)(4) status, the bigger scandal is that the IRS grants the tax-exempt designation to so many overtly political organizations, treating them as if they are no more engaged in partisan politics than the Girl Scouts.
The reality is that numerous high-powered political operatives for both Republicans and Democrats have formed 501(c)(4) organizations. The GOPs most prominent political guru, Karl Rove, has Crossroads GPS, a 501(c)(4) entity that spent $70 million during the 2012 campaign encouraging voters to cast their ballots for Republican candidates. Under the guidance of former Obama campaign manager Jim Messina, the presidents reelection apparatus has been reorganized as a 501(c)(4) group that no doubt will educate the public about the need for more Democrats in Congress.
After the Supreme Courts notorious Citizens United decision in 2010 that opened the way for corporations and unions to spend unlimited amounts of money in political campaigns, all that new funding needed someplace to go where it would not be easily tracked. In response, the number of groups seeking 501(c)(4) status which, in addition to the tax break, allows donors to remain anonymous shot up to 3,400 in 2012.
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as the outrage revs into high gear, let me offer a contrarian perspective: As inept as the IRS may have been in the way they processed applications for 501(c)(4) status, the bigger scandal is that the IRS grants the tax-exempt designation to so many overtly political organizations, treating them as if they are no more engaged in partisan politics than the Girl Scouts.
The reality is that numerous high-powered political operatives for both Republicans and Democrats have formed 501(c)(4) organizations. The GOPs most prominent political guru, Karl Rove, has Crossroads GPS, a 501(c)(4) entity that spent $70 million during the 2012 campaign encouraging voters to cast their ballots for Republican candidates. Under the guidance of former Obama campaign manager Jim Messina, the presidents reelection apparatus has been reorganized as a 501(c)(4) group that no doubt will educate the public about the need for more Democrats in Congress.
After the Supreme Courts notorious Citizens United decision in 2010 that opened the way for corporations and unions to spend unlimited amounts of money in political campaigns, all that new funding needed someplace to go where it would not be easily tracked. In response, the number of groups seeking 501(c)(4) status which, in addition to the tax break, allows donors to remain anonymous shot up to 3,400 in 2012.
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/topoftheticket/la-na-tt-firing-irs-boss-20130515,0,7874643.story
It is worth noting that, though applications from some conservative organizations were slowed down, few, if any, were rejected. By law, any group whose primary purpose is to support the election of one set of candidates and the defeat of others should not be eligible for the 501(c)(4) designation. In practice, however, even Karl Rove and Barack Obama can weasel their way into a 501(c)(4) tax exemption that also provides anonymity for their fat cat corporate donors.
The actual scandal here is that so many campaign organizations are pretending to be no more politically involved than a group of volunteer firemen. Does anyone believe that the tea party groups that were supposedly so unfairly treated by the IRS are politically disinterested social welfare associations? Yet, everyone from the president to Jon Stewart to the mainstream media is buying into the Republican scenario that the IRS was carrying out a vendetta against the right wing.
What the IRS people did was not smartly conceived or executed, but there is, as yet, no evidence that they were trying to do anything more than their jobs.
It is worth noting that, though applications from some conservative organizations were slowed down, few, if any, were rejected. By law, any group whose primary purpose is to support the election of one set of candidates and the defeat of others should not be eligible for the 501(c)(4) designation. In practice, however, even Karl Rove and Barack Obama can weasel their way into a 501(c)(4) tax exemption that also provides anonymity for their fat cat corporate donors.
The actual scandal here is that so many campaign organizations are pretending to be no more politically involved than a group of volunteer firemen. Does anyone believe that the tea party groups that were supposedly so unfairly treated by the IRS are politically disinterested social welfare associations? Yet, everyone from the president to Jon Stewart to the mainstream media is buying into the Republican scenario that the IRS was carrying out a vendetta against the right wing.
What the IRS people did was not smartly conceived or executed, but there is, as yet, no evidence that they were trying to do anything more than their jobs.
I guess I'm just naive, too. Silly me
You can call me angry or pissed off, too.