MADDOW: Fair Game to DISCLOSE NAMES of Republicans WHO LIED to ABC News

[Segami]

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After taking her viewers through the whole, long, ugly mess with ABC's big "scoop" on the Benghazi emails and the how the story pretty much fizzled out by the end of the week with the discovery that Republicans were responsible for doctoring the supposed quotes from the emails that they published, Rachel Maddow had given her two cents on ABC still protecting the sources who lied to them.

MADDOW: And now, part of the scandal here is a press scandal. You know what? When you get used like this and you end up publishing false information, false quotes, you have to correct it. But the bigger scandal here is not a process matter, not a press matter. There's a very stark fact that somebody in Congress right now, or somebody working for somebody in Congress right now, a staffer, concocted a big lie to try to make the White House look very desperately bad on this Benghazi scandal that they otherwise have not been able to get traction on.

Who told the lie? And a note to my journalist pals who got involved in this scandal. If your source lied to you, they are not actually a source. They are a con artist and you are their victim. It means you don't have to protect them any more. They're not a source.

When you get lied to, when you are a tool of somebody else's deception, when you get lied to, the person lying to you is no longer a source, they are news. Their lie to you is itself news and you can report that news. Republican Congressional offices shopped a false dossier as if it was a White House email. That is a story. The office and the staffers and the members of Congress maybe who did that... that is news. And if you know who it is, you can say so.

Boy do I wish they'd take her advice, but again, I'm not holding my breath.





VIDEO:

http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/maddow-fair-game-disclose-names-republican

[spanone]

1. if the media doesn't care about being 'used' they are complicit

and it appears they don't care.

[Whisp]

4. they were in on it, they were not being used. n/t

[texshelters]

43. I don't think they were in on it

they were so desperate to get a scoop that they didn't care to get the facts straight.

PTxS

[LovingA2andMI]

58. Agree!!!

Welcome to the World of "Internet Journalism" where the facts matter less and page hits matter MUCH more....

[spanone]

95. dream on...

[Scuba]

89. No, they're in on it. The media is owned by the same plutocrats who own the Republicans.

[avebury]

24. Totally Agree! nt

[fleabiscuit]

39. Free press is worth what we pay for it?

Excuse me, but anytime the press is given ANYTHING that the source wants printed then they are being used. Now who was it that duped anyone into thinking that the press cares about it being true? I guess believing that is the real scandal.

[7962]

92. In this day and age, how do people still think they can get away with this?

Its like doctoring speeches, or pictures. There is always SOMEONE out there who will spot a mistake and blow the whole deception wide open. I just dont get it. 50 years ago you could do stuff like this all day long and get away with it. No more.

[DCKit]

99. Presstitutes. nt

[Jackpine Radical]

2. M$M doesmn't dare release those names.

Hell, ALL their sources are lying Republican scum. If they set the bar too high--like requiring that the sources be truthful, they will have no sources.

[emulatorloo]

5. For the most part, MSM only exists to amplify Republican Lies as far as I can tell.

Maddow and a handful of others actually report on Republican Bullshit.

The rest just spread the bullshit.

[texshelters]

44. It's corporations the MSM is protecting

and if that means promoting the Rep. lies, so be it.

PTxS

[byeya]

22. Or requiring the M$M to seek two sources and fact check...not going to happen; they need the money

advertising tap wide open

[Isoldeblue]

72. +1 n/m

[G_j]

3. One might think that the value of that 'scoop'

(deliberate falsification of information by a Congress member) would outweigh other considerations.

[emulatorloo]

6. ABC news operation could redeem themselves by doing an expose.

But I don't think they are interested in that.

[Segami]

7. "EXPOSE"?....To expose themselves?

[malaise]

16. X 1,000

hacks are hacks

[rbrnmw]

32. LOL

That won't be happening in the next............ well never actually

[Cha]

56. Yeah, Di-anne.. could turn on that little

f***** Jon Karl. rofl

[NewJeffCT]

8. An expose

on how easily they were duped with false information they neglected to verify? I don't think they'd go there, as it makes them look almost as bad.

[Jackpine Radical]

10. Anyway, the White House did not play fair on this one.

They released the actual emails. Who could have known they would sink so low in defending themselves?

[Segami]

11. LOL! A reTHUG miscalculation. Who would have ever thunk!

[Cha]

57. How could even the the gop think the WH wouldn't release

the emails once they Altered their Originals. Oh, they weren't thinking.. they were Plotting.

the stupid is mind boggling.

[Jackpine Radical]

64. I think they simply figured, probably correctly,

that there would be no price to pay, even if they were exposed. Everyone hears the original story & is then bored with it by the time the refutation rolls around.

As a wingnut responded when I emailed him a link to the faked email story,

"Trumped up fucking lie. Very weak argument."

He is impenetrable with any sort of evidence. I expect most of the target audience for the Benghazi story is the same.

[Cha]

65. I hear that but for the American People who are NOt

UP past their hairy eye balls in brainwashed soup.. This is for them. the goputzes always had the braindead fox viewers and limbaugh regurgitators.

Just read PBO got a post "scandals".

h/t bigtree http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/05/18/1210049/-Gallup-Obama-Poll-BOUNCE-Since-Fake-Scandals#

Facts always are "weak agruments" for the poor brainwashed segment.

[rhett o rick]

13. They were not duped. I wish Rachel would have brought up the possibility that they were complicit.

[zeemike]

26. And then they would play the CT card.

Which always works even on some democrats.
She did as much as she could.

[rhett o rick]

28. I agree she did as much as she can, especially working for corp-media. nm

[G_j]

33. flashing on Dan Rather

and the end of his career at CBS.

[6000eliot]

17. Have they even acknowledged their error?

Last I saw they were still flogging all of these fake "scandals."

[Baitball Blogger]

9. Wait, where are the names?

[Segami]

12. Is it time for Karl to 'burn his source' for lying to him?

The Daily Beast's Michael Tomasky wonders...

.... "What should he and ABC do? Do you stand by sources who you know lied to you? There are certain circumstances when "burning" a source is considered permissible. Suppose you were a journalist and a source told you someone had committed a felony but that person had not. Do you have to protect that source? No.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/05/17/will-abc-finger-the-liar.html

[rhett o rick]

29. J. Karl has an agenda. He is most likely just as responsible for the deception as anyone. nm

[Cha]

60. Hey,

we agree!

[rhett o rick]

62. A couple of monkeys with keyboards, it was bound to happen sooner or later.

Think we should buy a Power Ball ticket?

[Cha]

63. lol here's the number..

ABC # 212-456-7776

"Caution…..it very difficult to get to leave a message."

http://theobamadiary.com/2013/05/18/rise-and-shine-504/#comments

[rhett o rick]

67. I've on a irregular basis, leaving "feedback" here:

http://abcnews.go.com/Site/page?id=3271346&cat=ABCNews.com%20comments

[Cha]

68. Done. thanks, rhett

I chose the subject "inaccurate information", and said Jon Karl needs to apologize to us and the WH.

No worries.. I'm not holding my breath.

[rhett o rick]

70. "I'm not holding my breath." Then why are you turning blue.

I also choose "inaccurate information" and among other things, suggested they use this as a new slogan, "ABC the new Fox"

[Cha]

71. Great suggestion! I need to pass your abc link around more.. come

to think of it. thanks again, r o r.

[rhett o rick]

73. I would love to see it catch on. Have a good weekend. nm

[Cha]

74. Backatcha. n/m

[GOPGoindown]

79. For what it's worth

I posted the following comment at your link. Thanks.

"Who at ABC News knew the Benghazi emails were falsified and when did they know it? Or, if ABC News was given falsified information, why wasn't that information double checked with an alternate source before airing it? Alternately, if ABC News was duped and unintentionally aired false information, when will ABC News investigate and/or expose the source of this outrageous betrayal of trust with your viewers? Unfortunately, millions of Americans are now taking this falsified information as factual."

[rhett o rick]

80. Very good. Keep the pressure on. nm

[mountain grammy]

96. Thanks, I sent them a little feedback also..

I kept it clean, just asked if they will own up to the made up "news" and reveal the source, unless of course it's ABC news themselves. If so, own it!! They have no crediblity left.

[rhett o rick]

98. Great. I doubt it has much impact but it might and it makes me feel better. nm

[Rebl]

76. As well as

Sawyer. Remember she worked in the Nixon administration.

[Shiraz]

108. I believe Rachel said :

" You are not protecting a source , you are protecting a lier".

[Auntie Bush]

14. I wonder why the Obama administration didn't

make those emails public early on and save all the negative press and damage to his administration, Susan Rice and Hillary Clinton for so long?

[byeya]

23. Good point. Her reputation has been smeared and we all know an apology never comes close

to repairing the damage.

[rbrnmw]

34. Because of National Security Concerns???

[L0oniX]

35. Wha??? Open government? hmmm ...where did I hear about that before?

[hopemountain]

82. a power play, perhaps?

by not setting a precedent of bending over for the whiners every time they have a tantrum...
the wh figured they don't have to give them everything they want every time they f'in whine about every breath the president & the admin takes...

[Auntie Bush]

100. That sounds like the best reason yet...makes sense. nt

[Isoldeblue]

107. Congress actually had seen those emails

last Feb. But that wasn't good enough for them, so they just kept lying. The WH figured enough and released them to the press and media. But are the teahadist's faces red? Hell no..... Their arrogance is sickening.

[SemperEadem]

110. because he's playing chess while everyone else is playing checkers

he's been laying this trap since this story broke...

my late aunt used to say "beware of the hole you dig for someone else, lest you fall in it yourself..." seems the thugs fell into the hole they were digging for Obama.

well, who stands the most to gain from Obama falling on Benghazi?

[Gothmog]

15. If Howie Kurtz does not cover this on Reliable Sources, then he will get some e-mails

This is the type of story that Kurtz should cover on Reliable Sources. It will be interesting to see if he does anything with it.

[rhett o rick]

30. I doubt you will get any satisfaction from Kurtz. He is a tool for the Corp-Media. nm

[Gothmog]

112. Kurtz covered this story and got a sort of apology from Karl

http://maddowblog.msnbc.com/_news/2013/05/20/18373659-abcs-karl-expresses-regret-over-false-benghazi-report?lite This was not a true apology but is a start

[rhett o rick]

113. It was no where near an apology. He owned no part of it. He was sorry that something wrong happened.

So is everyone. He didnt accept any responsibility. This was a poor attempt by Kurtz and Karl to quell the uproar. Look the other way and they will be back to pushing Republican propaganda with ABC's blessing.

[Blue Owl]

18. Tar and feathers

Maybe using some toxic Koch Bros industrial sludge.

[1StrongBlackMan]

19. I absolutely ...

and completely agree. It is only this kind of exposure that can stop this crap, that the gop is doing and heritage foundation is saying they should do more of.

Hey media ... This is why no one trusts you.

[Hubert Flottz]

20. Be a lot less writing if you listed just the republicans who...

EVER told the truth about anything.

Besides Gawd forgives any republican, anytime, anywhere, of anything, but getting caught with their pants down, or even pants off, for whatever reason, is one of the most numerous requests for forgiveness items in Heaven's rethuglickin' suggestion box. Pepug Heaven's second highest asked for item of forgiveness is, "Forgive me Lord for gettin' caught again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and infinity or eternity, whichever came first!"

[siligut]

21. Because Rachel still believes in integrity in journalism, I do too

She works in the industry, she knows. A few dishonest, loud and belligerent assholes may be trying to run the show, that's what dishonest, loud belligerent assholes do, but people who have invested their lives into informing the public, they tend to value the truth.

Of course, there are the shills/moles and maybe this is why the DOJ had to act with stealth to determine the truth before it could be destroyed, diverted or buried beneath bullshit.

[Marr]

25. You can bet they'd be all over it if the parties were reversed. /nt

[KansDem]

27. Walt Kelly said it best --

[mountain grammy]

97. Hey KansDem..Yesterday I saw a bumper sticker on a car with Kansas license plates that said:

"Democrats - working for the public good." There were two 60ish (my age) gentlemen in the car. Have you been to Colorado lately?
Always nice to know that the craziest of red states still have Dems brave enough to tell the world.

[KansDem]

101. Hi, mountain grammy!

Yes! Colorado's a beautiful state! I drove through in 2011. I'm originally from California and drive out every so often to visit friends and family. I take the "usual routes" -- I-70 to I-15, then on into southern California.

Always nice to know that the craziest of red states still have Dems brave enough to tell the world. -- There's a few of us here challenging the craziness of Gov. Brownback and SoS Kobach! It's hard to believe that Kansas used to be in the forefront of women's suffrage and civil rights.

Check this out from last February!

Topeka, Kansas, Urged To Remove Fluoride From Drinking Water To Protect Legislators' IQs

A Republican group in Kansas wants Topeka city officials to remove fluoride from the city's drinking water in order to preserve the intelligence of legislators in the state's capital.

Citing concerns about the chemical's impact on IQ, the Kansas Republican Assembly, a conservative group that has campaigned against fluoridation, is sending a letter to Topeka's top leaders urging that the city's fluoride pipe be shut off during the annual legislative session. A draft of the letter and the minutes of the group's January meeting where the proposal was made surfaced on the KRA's website in recent days.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/15/topeka-kansas-flouride_n_2697306.html

I hope to "retire" in another 2-3 years (maybe 5-7? and am looking forward to moving back to my home state, if I can afford it.

I'll wave as I drive through Colorado!

[mountain grammy]

103. And I'll be waving back at ya!

The floride story is priceless. We have many here too, especially where I live, but the majority in our statehouse is Democrats and we got some real legislation passed this year. Hickenlooper is no prize, but the alternatives were awful. Yes, Kansas was once a very progressive state. Propaganda takes it's toll.

[retired rooster]

31. CBS evening news did mention the deception last night but it was in a weak and in an...

..."oh, by the way" fashion, but they did slap the Repugs.

[Festivito]

42. How is Obama fighting his three scandals -- this morning.

No story about the scandals themselves, just three short scandal names and story about how Obama is managing with all these scandals.

Reminds me of when they came up with THREE lies of Al Gore. All three "lies" were false fabrications of right wingers.

[hopemountain]

83. this morning's radio -cbs, abc, and npr

were still spinning the b.s. for whatever it's worth. thin, but be it beyond their ability come straight out and rectify the lies or admit to any wrong doing on the gop's part.

[Festivito]

87. Gwen Ifill's Washington Week gobbledy-gooked around leaving no impression of Republican wrongdoing.

The fast talking staccato stilted speech of one guest employed the word they in a way that left the listener to decide if they referred to Obama DOJ or Republicans having changed the email / talking points.

If one did not already know Republicans changed the emails, one would not know after this program.

[Auntie Bush]

111. That's what Republicans do!

LIE! LIE! LIE! and LIE! That's all they know how to do. They don't have anything good or productive to say so they LIE about everything and anything. When the can't find anything to LIE about...they make something up. The horrible thing is...they/their base actually BELIEVE their own LIES.

[think]

36. Politicians who lie destroy the public trust. They should be tried & prosecuted

if they are found guilty of such treasonous offenses...

[screamcheese]

37. Tell Them!

To all who have taken the time to comment here: Please write to ABC.com and tell them to expose the liars. This is a REAL story of the day. Real news. Tell them to stop perpetrating lies. Tell them we want the truth.

[G_j]

38. significant point

let them hear it!

[tularetom]

50. What should I tell them, that I will quit watching if they don't stop lying?

That would be sort of a hollow threat since I actually quit watching any network news at least 15 years ago when it became apparent that it was all corporate propaganda and lacked any semblance of journalistic integrity or standards.

I can't even tell them I will tell others to quit watching. I already do that at every opportunity.

[Ford_Prefect]

40. Some Republican lied to ABC, America, and also Lied to Congress. That last is grounds for Contempt.

It also borders on Treason given the content and the implications.

Where the ever loving hell is HOLDER ???? Why is the FBI not involved ??? They look High and Low for the leakers but have no clues about those distorting documented truth before congress ??? This is not merely interpretation, increasingly it looks like criminal conspiracy.

ABC was set up to facilitate the lies but they look like quite willing co-conspirators. Somehow this leads back to Rove or his operatives IMHO. It has within it the same kinds of deceptions and duplicitous behavior as the White Water scandal.

[watoos]

41. How many times do I have to post

that the MSM is corporate-controlled. All of the media, including msnbc. They control the narrative. Sure there are liberals like Rachel and Lawrence who espouse liberal talking points but the narrative is the same on every network.
If liberals go too far they are simply canned; Phil Donahue, Keith Olbermann, Dylan Ratigan, Cenk Unygur, all canned from nbc or msnbc. Do you really think that Comcast, GE, Microsoft are liberal? GE and Microsoft had Donahue canned because they stood to profit from going to war. Why do you think it is so hard for Obama to get anything accomplished? The number one reason IMO, is that the media is complicit with the Republican party, and they are making inroads into the internet. Thank god for DU.

[defacto7]

45. As many times as is necessary.

Repetition is what it takes for some people and all don't read the same articles at the same time.

Welcome to DU.

[LuckyLib]

52. +1,000,000

And welcome to DU!

[airplaneman]

59. How many times do I have to post?

You have only posted a 100 times.
-Airplane

[AndyA]

46. If all the other media put pressure on ABC, perhaps the names would be released.

What we need is day in, day out, 24/7 coverage by NBC, CBS, CNN about how ABC reported this as fact when indeed it was not, and how ABC lied when they said they had the documentation to back up their story.

It would be very interesting to see who's behind this. If it's a top GOP official, the Dems should be able to use this between now and 2014, if they're smart.

Rachel Maddow's coverage of this story was excellent, presented in a very professional manner by Rachel. I agree with her 100 percent, and it seems ABC should want to clear their name and do damage control on their very bruised reputation.

[MyOwnPeace]

47. Drove beside....

an older "gentleman" in a Buick yesterday, packing a bumper sticker that said:

"I do not listen to the LIBERAL MEDIA."

Another "Faux" or Beck guy, I'm sure!

Should have asked him where the "LIBERAL MEDIA" is - it could be refreshing for a change.

[Kablooie]

48. The reporters themselves might have been part of the scam.

[TriplD]

51. ABC's failure to report how this happened or fire Jon Karl

indicates complicity probably goes even higher in the organization.

[Kablooie]

66. Anne Sweeny, the president of ABC, is a Republican and was a Bush supporter.

But Bob Iger the CEO of Disney is a strong Democrat and Obama supporter.

[Rebl]

77. Mr. Iger needs

To do some house cleaning sounds like to me. Start with Karl and finish it off with Sawyer. Hope George addresses this lie tomorrow, but sure he's been told to keep quiet.

[moondust]

49. Perhaps ABC fears retaliation.

You know the old story of lapdog media afraid to ask the tough questions for fear of being shunned/punished/marginalized by the rich and powerful. If the deception was cooked up in the back room of a Congressional office there could be consequences for revealing the source.

Besides, isn't ABC sort of a RW corporate tool anyway? Seemed that way during the Bush/Cheney years.

[DallasNE]

53. I Have Been Posting That Same Message For

At least the last 3 days. Plus, one of my rationales for this is because the voters back home deserve to know what their Congressmen are up to. Now if is a staffer I don't see where that makes a difference because that staffer has not gone rogue on this meaning the Congressman cleared this.

[WillyT]

54. K & R !!!

[Cha]

55. Ye-ah! Why the hell not?

thanks Segami

[DirkGently]

61. A source that lies can be ethically burned. (nt)

[Faryn Balyncd]

69. ABC "News" is in the unethical propaganda business, pure & simple.

[TheKentuckian]

75. Disclose en route to prosecution

[Historic NY]

78. I want the names they are unfit to serve.....

they need to be pilloried and banished from civil discourse.

[izzybeans]

81. Seems to me the same logic applies to this AP thing.

This doesn't excuse government intrusions on the press, but the story behind the story is the leak of classified info. The AP is not protecting a source, they are hiding what is an important story, using Maddows logic...which I agree with. It occurs to me on edit, that a journalist would encounter some gray area regarding whether a bit of info. That has been classified is something that is legitimately classified. As a researcher who has dealt with IRB consent using federal guidelines this gray area was always handled with a "don't disclose anything you don't want to be disclosed under subpoena or court of law" clause stated clearly on the consent form.

[John2]

85. I agree with you,

and Maddow seems to be making people like mine case. Why should liberals or Democrats defend the Press when much of the Press seems to be in bed with the Republican Party ever since Ronald Reagan attacked the Press for being Liberal. Now it seems the Press has moved too far to the right and trying to influence Policy.

Some of these younger journalists probably got their start in journalism when the Press was attacked by the Right for being too Liberal. They are not doing the Public or American people a favor by taking sides with one political agenda over another. Their jobs are to just report the news and facts,not influence it to favor any Party. That is when they go over the line and become accomplices. I think the Press has went over the line and why I don't defend them.

They have been so busy putting the spotlight on a Democratic President or Democratic Party,that they fail to see they are pushing one sides' agenda by not calling out the other Party when they lie or do other un ethical behavior. That is how we got into an illegal War. The Press is to Blame just as much for not investigating for facts, but instead accepted the Administrations' propaganda. It is quite strange some of these same journalists do the opposite during a Democratic Administration even when some of the facts thrown out by the Republicans are manufactured. When will the Press put the focus on Issa and Chaffetz abusive use of Congressional Hearings and the Republican Party by giving Issa such an important position?

If the Press is really serving the Public and the American people, why isn't this important news for the Public to know. Issa is not serving the American people but using oversight Hearings as a political tool for the Right's agenda, which is to destroy the President. That does not serve the American people at all but the Press continues to not see this as important news. They are complicit in helping the Republican Rightwing Agenda. They do not question the Rightwing Republican Party but take every scandal put out by the Republican party as facts which automatically puts the President and Democratic Party on the defensive. The American Public as usual is ahead of the Press and beginning to catch on more to the Republican Party. And their Republican Policies are killing the Republican brand because they are attacking different groups of Americans with their extreme ideology yet the Press continues to miss what maybe the biggest news of all right at their feet. That is the self destruction of what was once the proud party of Lincoln. And at the same time they are taking the Press with them because many Americans are losing faith in the Presses' credibility which should be sacred to any journalist.

[Up2Late]

84. No Kidding, THIS is the REAL scandal!

Now where is THIS reporting? Who in the GOP is going to lose their job or go to jail now?

Btw, I think some at NPR were still calling this and the AP Press phone records thing (another load of BS crated by the "house leadership" a few months ago to get to "get to the bottom of the leaks," a WH scandal today.

That Crap needs to stop too.

[myrna minx]

88. K&R- n.t

[Berlum]

90. ABC is complicit in the lie if they FAIL to tell the truth. Obviously.

America deserves the truth. Will ABC stay on the dArKsiDe and refuse to tell the truth?

[99Forever]

91. I wouldn't recommend Rachel holding her...

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... breath waiting for it to happen.

Journalistic integrity is an antiquated concept, as is honest politics.

[Vietnameravet]

93. The source of the lies is obvious..

the entire Republican party!

[The Wizard]

94. Republicans wouldn't falsify the news

would they? As The immortal Emily Latella would say, "never mind."
http://www.hulu.com/watch/2364

[Life Long Dem]

102. I'd like to know if Maddow feels

this is a situation where the DOJ should look at Jonathan Karl’s phone records?

Since she said, "If your source lied to you, they are not actually a source. They are a con artist and you are their victim. It means you don't have to protect them any more. They're not a source."

[FourScore]

104. Unless ABC did it themselves... n/t

[Lady Freedom Returns]

105. I am disaponted with Maddow for this.

She just wants the names for her news cycle. She knows how this happened. She know why they can't give names.

She knows the business, or at less I thought she did.

[NCarolinawoman]

106. SCOTT PELLEY of CBS news DID talk about it.

He and Major Garrett talked about the editing.


If I am able to catch the national evening news, I always go with CBS, because Pelley has the background of a real reporter. He has also been critical of the media getting things wrong and ship shod reporting.

David Schuster showed up on CNN today, talking about what Pelley said.

[Marr]

109. Not just fair game, it's sort of a journalistic obligation.

These forged accounts were also used in the Congressional record. They were broadcast far and wide on these media outlets. The GOP has turned their fake scandal into a real one, and if these media outlets suddenly just lose interest, they're clearly stating their biases.