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boston bean

(36,221 posts)
Sat May 18, 2013, 11:37 AM May 2013

Some people shouldn't own guns or pit bulls.

I think that is pretty evident from arguments made by gun enthusiasts and pit bull enthusiasts.

Both recognize this, yet they don't seem to want to minimize the access to either guns or pit bulls.

So, the question remains, what to do about it?

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Some people shouldn't own guns or pit bulls. (Original Post) boston bean May 2013 OP
Dogs are dogs, it's the owners who are the problem. Quantess May 2013 #1
Given the number of homes they are in, I don't believe that they tend to be irresponsible. PeaceNikki May 2013 #6
those are the ones zerosumgame0005 May 2013 #20
Exactly what I was saying! Quantess May 2013 #23
Take away the guns from criminals and, instead of letting them out after short sentences, AnotherMcIntosh May 2013 #2
Help people manage them. nt rrneck May 2013 #3
Make sure each has one of the other. TheCowsCameHome May 2013 #4
I'm being semi-sarcastic here, but maybe some people shouldn't be allowed to have children. Gregorian May 2013 #5
For what it's worth (not much) I agree with you wholeheartedly. Quantess May 2013 #9
with certain limits I agree zerosumgame0005 May 2013 #21
Maybe we could start with registering/licensing all firearms and pit bulls. Zorra May 2013 #7
Liablity insurance is dirt cheap hack89 May 2013 #8
You have a lot of assumptions going on there, hack. nt Zorra May 2013 #12
No more than you have. hack89 May 2013 #16
Should all dogs need to be registered/licensed, or only 1 type? Again the comparison of "all" to a uppityperson May 2013 #15
Some people shouldn't have children or a car. Rex May 2013 #10
Or, droopy pants. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2013 #11
Egads! NaturalHigh May 2013 #19
And pit bulls should definitely not own guns GiaGiovanni May 2013 #13
you think you're being funny but! zerosumgame0005 May 2013 #22
No! GiaGiovanni May 2013 #24
I find it interesting that you compare a whole group (guns) with a subset (pit bulls). uppityperson May 2013 #14
I don't think I've done that. boston bean May 2013 #17
That's not a good parallel. DirkGently May 2013 #18
Like me marions ghost May 2013 #25
Nobody should own guns! gopiscrap May 2013 #26

Quantess

(27,630 posts)
1. Dogs are dogs, it's the owners who are the problem.
Sat May 18, 2013, 11:46 AM
May 2013

I have met several nice and loving pit bulls who have caring and responsible owners. Unfortunately, pit bull owners TEND TO be irresponsible shitheads at best, and violent and abusive at worst.

I think there needs to be more regulation about pit bulls.

PeaceNikki

(27,985 posts)
6. Given the number of homes they are in, I don't believe that they tend to be irresponsible.
Sat May 18, 2013, 12:37 PM
May 2013

The stories we hear about are ALL from homes in which that is true, but the majority are loving, caring and responsible.

I side with the ASPCA on BSL:

http://www.aspca.org/about-us/policy-positions/breed-specific-legislation-1.aspx

 

zerosumgame0005

(207 posts)
20. those are the ones
Sun May 19, 2013, 12:30 PM
May 2013

who buy the image of being bad ass to have a pit. They don't really give a crap about the dog (or anyone else really, this is just one more expression of their anti-social tendencies) so they abuse and misuse the dog until the poor thing goes nuts.

Quantess

(27,630 posts)
23. Exactly what I was saying!
Sun May 19, 2013, 01:47 PM
May 2013

To a lesser extent, rottweilers sometimes end up with dumbasses who want a tough looking animal and have no idea how to raise a dog.

I had a rottweiller when I lived in a low-rent area in the Bay Area, and occasionally we (the dog and I) got really boneheaded reactions. I was a young woman in college, and I couldn't afford a better neighborhood. Anyway, there are some tough-guy morons who probably spend their lives in-and-out of jail, who deliberately choose pit bulls.

My rottweiller pup got bit randomly by an off-leash pit bull in the neighborhood...for no reason. It was a random attack. The dumbass kid who had the dog didn't apologize. He looked like he was a little proud of his pitbull, in fact.

Some other gangsta idiot said to me as we were walking down the street minding our own business "my dog should fight your dog". The last thing I wanted was for my dog to be forced to be "tough" or have to fight.

Some of the children in the neighborhood had learned different cultural values regarding scary looking dogs. One time a little kid threatened my rottweiler with a stick FOR NO REASON. My dog was the sweetest ever, and this kid acted like he wanted to swordfight my dog with a stick. The kids learned that attitude from their idiot parents. Somebody I'm sure will get offended, but I'm going to just come out and say this was a low-rent, predominantly hispanic neighborhood.

 

AnotherMcIntosh

(11,064 posts)
2. Take away the guns from criminals and, instead of letting them out after short sentences,
Sat May 18, 2013, 11:46 AM
May 2013

keep them in prison so that they will not again be gun-carrying criminals.

Gregorian

(23,867 posts)
5. I'm being semi-sarcastic here, but maybe some people shouldn't be allowed to have children.
Sat May 18, 2013, 12:34 PM
May 2013

How can we have a free country, and put limits "arbitrarily".

I think what I'm trying to say is that 99% of the problems we face in the world today stem from parents doing a poor job, no job, or worse, with raising children.

I know this is an extremely touchy subject, one which I think your post begs. The denial is almost as prevalent as the problem itself.

Quantess

(27,630 posts)
9. For what it's worth (not much) I agree with you wholeheartedly.
Sat May 18, 2013, 04:08 PM
May 2013

People are going to call me heartless, but, I don't feel all that bad for women who have been sterilized without their consent, if they already have 5 children.

And some people shouldn't have any children at all.

But don't anybody get all excited, because it won't happen anytime soon. Our country is going in the opposite direction.

 

zerosumgame0005

(207 posts)
21. with certain limits I agree
Sun May 19, 2013, 12:31 PM
May 2013

that way lead to Idiocracy which was inspired I believe by the RAH story "The Marching Morons"...

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
7. Maybe we could start with registering/licensing all firearms and pit bulls.
Sat May 18, 2013, 01:15 PM
May 2013

Like we do with cars.

Then legislate mandatory liability insurance for firearms and pit bulls, with $50,000 minimum coverage.

Like we do with cars.

That way, if a firearm owner's licensed firearm kills or injures someone or someone's pet, or a licensed pit bull owner's little angel kills or mangles someone or someone's pet, the victim or their families have a much better chance at being compensated for their losses to some extent.

Fine anyone who possesses an unlicensed firearm or pit bull.

Kind of like we do with cars.

The specter of monthly insurance payments might dissuade many people from owning firearms or pit bulls.

Just a thought.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
8. Liablity insurance is dirt cheap
Sat May 18, 2013, 01:19 PM
May 2013

I know because I have it. The reason it is dirt cheap is because it does not cover criminal acts. Divide the number of gun accidents by the number of gun owners and you see why insurance companies don't deem legal gun ownership a high risk issue.

And of course insurance and registration is irrelevant to criminals.

uppityperson

(115,677 posts)
15. Should all dogs need to be registered/licensed, or only 1 type? Again the comparison of "all" to a
Sun May 19, 2013, 12:04 AM
May 2013

small subset. Why not have all dogs registered/licensed? Or dogs of a certain size? If you are going to say "all guns" then at least be consistent with "all dogs".

boston bean

(36,221 posts)
17. I don't think I've done that.
Sun May 19, 2013, 12:18 PM
May 2013

Many democrats don't believe in banishing every gun from every single gun owners hands.

there are pistols, assault rifles, automatics, each have their own category....

No one is talking about not allowing anyone to a dog.

The comparison is apt.

DirkGently

(12,151 posts)
18. That's not a good parallel.
Sun May 19, 2013, 12:21 PM
May 2013

Guns are weapons. Dogs are animals. We have a greater societal right and need to regulate how and which people keep machines made for killing than we do a large terriers.

Not exactly a conundrum.

marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
25. Like me
Tue May 21, 2013, 09:52 PM
May 2013

I wouldn't be able to handle either of em. Having dangerous things around doesn't work for me. I don't want the responsibility.

I do have a black belt in karate though.

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