Celebrities with their Pit Bulls

[baldguy]

Bernadette Peters & Stella!


Katherine Heigl & Apollo


Ira Glass and Piney


Jon Stewart & Shamsky


& Monkey


& Champ


Wil Wheaton & Seamus


Rachael Ray & Isaboo


Linda Blair & Tequila


Fiona Apple & Janet


Kevin Bacon & Lilly


Michael J. Fox & Burnaby


Jessica Alba & Bowie


Patrick Willis & Zeus


Sophia Bush & Patch


Arthur Jones & Bella


Michael Griffin & Blade


Tom Hardy & Rocco


Channing Tatum & Lulu


Jessica Biel & Tina


Torrey Smith with Prince & Mama

[Voice for Peace]

1. nurture brings out the true nature

[GoCubsGo]

2. Another...

Chicago Blackhawk Bryan Bickell, his fiance, Amanda, and their dogs, Bailey(R) & Tucker (L)



Bryan and Amanda have pit bull charity, BTW. Check it out: http://www.chicagolovespits.org/


On edit: Kevin Bacon's "Lilly" looks like the reincarnation of Lily, a dog I used to baby-sit when I was in grad school. I think she may have been an American Staffordshire Terrier, which is a pitbull-type dog. She was the sweetest thing ever, as was her "brother", who was a Dobie, which is another breed that has an undeserved bad reputation.

[PeaceNikki]

3. Hearing Ira Glass talk about Piney is amazing.

OK, hearing him talk about anything is amazing, but that especially warms my heart.

Thanks for posting. Beautiful. Don't let anyone get to you.

[xchrom]

4. So cute - the whole batch! Nt

[Egalitarian Thug]

5. K&R With one comment.

Someone really should tell Patrick Willis about the dangers of naming pets after Deities.

[demmiblue]

6. Fionna Apple and Janet: The Letter (Hanky Alert!)

It's 6pm on Friday, and I'm writing to a few thousand friends I have not met yet. I'm writing to ask them to change our plans and meet a little while later.

Here's the thing.

I have a dog, Janet, and she's been ill for about 2 years now, as a tumor has been idling in her chest, growing ever so slowly. She's almost 14 years old now. I got her when she was 4 months old. I was 21 then — an adult, officially — and she was my kid.

She is a pitbull, and was found in Echo Park, with a rope around her neck, and bites all over her ears and face.

She was the one the dogfighters use to puff up the confidence of the contenders.

She's almost 14 and I've never seen her start a fight, or bite, or even growl, so I can understand why they chose her for that awful role. She's a pacifist.

Janet has been the most consistent relationship of my adult life, and that is just a fact. We've lived in numerous houses, and joined a few makeshift families, but it's always really been just the two of us.

She slept in bed with me, her head on the pillow, and she accepted my hysterical, tearful face into her chest, with her paws around me, every time I was heartbroken, or spirit-broken, or just lost, and as years went by, she let me take the role of her child, as I fell asleep, with her chin resting above my head.

She was under the piano when I wrote songs, barked any time I tried to record anything, and she was in the studio with me, all the time we recorded the last album.

The last time I came back from tour, she was spry as ever, and she's used to me being gone for a few weeks, every 6 or 7 years.

She has Addison's Disease, which makes it more dangerous for her to travel, since she needs regular injections of Cortisol, because she reacts to stress and excitement without the physiological tools which keep most of us from literally panicking to death.

Despite all this, she's effortlessly joyful & playful, and only stopped acting like a puppy about 3 years ago. She is my best friend, and my mother, and my daughter, my benefactor, and she's the one who taught me what love is.

I can't come to South America. Not now. When I got back from the last leg of the US tour, there was a big, big difference.

She doesn't even want to go for walks anymore.

I know that she's not sad about aging or dying. Animals have a survival instinct, but a sense of mortality and vanity, they do not. That's why they are so much more present than people.

But I know she is coming close to the time where she will stop being a dog, and start instead to be part of everything. She'll be in the wind, and in the soil, and the snow, and in me, wherever I go.

I just can't leave her now, please understand. If I go away again, I'm afraid she'll die and I won't have the honor of singing her to sleep, of escorting her out.

Sometimes it takes me 20 minutes just to decide what socks to wear to bed.

But this decision is instant.

These are the choices we make, which define us. I will not be the woman who puts her career ahead of love & friendship.

I am the woman who stays home, baking Tilapia for my dearest, oldest friend. And helps her be comfortable & comforted & safe & important.

Many of us these days, we dread the death of a loved one. It is the ugly truth of Life that keeps us feeling terrified & alone. I wish we could also appreciate the time that lies right beside the end of time. I know that I will feel the most overwhelming knowledge of her, and of her life and of my love for her, in the last moments.

I need to do my damnedest, to be there for that.

Because it will be the most beautiful, the most intense, the most enriching experience of life I've ever known.

When she dies.

So I am staying home, and I am listening to her snore and wheeze, and I am revelling in the swampiest, most awful breath that ever emanated from an angel. And I'm asking for your blessing.

I'll be seeing you.

Love,

Fiona

http://www.lettersofnote.com/2012/11/she-is-my-best-friend.html

[PeaceNikki]

7. Here's another great link - Pit Bull heroes Hall of Fame

http://bslnews.org/pit-bull-heroes-hall-of-fame/

[ErikJ]

8. Yes, I suppose they can afford to go without homeowners insurance too

Most people cant. Pit bulls automatically disqualify home owners insurance. Blame the insurance actuaries who run the numbers.

[Wednesdays]

9. Automatically?

Huh. Never had a problem with ours.

[ErikJ]

10. HA! Like health insurance. They wont pay out if youre sued a couple Mill.

[uppityperson]

11. Will they pay if you are sued for what your st bernard did?

[ErikJ]

22. Probably.

Less likely to be in the fine print. than a pit bull.

[baldguy]

25. Prove it. Show us any link to any national insurance carrier

That says it specifically bans Pit Bulls only.

The fact is you can't because they don't. At most they may refer to "large dogs" - which covers just what it says, large dogs. That's all large dogs, not just Pit Bulls. And they still wouldn't refuse to insure the property outright, just require a small additional premium.

So, put up or shut up. If you don't provide evidence for your outrageous claims, we can all assume that you're lying.

[roody]

29. Many 'pitbulls' are not large.

[uppityperson]

31. Exactly.

[baldguy]

32. But insurance company might define them as such. It's going to depend on the company.

When I first moved into this house, my 50 lb Shepherd mix met the definition of a "large dog", as does my 65 lb Pit Bull. There was no change in my premium between the time the first dog died, and after I got the second one. They wanted to know if I had a dog, but they really didn't care what breed it was.

[baldguy]

17. He's lying.

[PeaceNikki]

12. That's simply not true.

[ErikJ]

13. Sorry it is. Top 10 dangerous dogs disqualify

you from buying homeowners insurance. In most states.

[PeaceNikki]

15. No, it's not.

The following companies typically do not blacklist dog breeds but it's important to remember the decision to provide coverage can vary by individual agent:

State Farm
http://www.statefarm.com

Farmers Insurance Group
http://www.farmers.com/

Travelers Insurance Company
https://www.travelers.com/

United Services Automobile Association
www.usaa.com

Fireman's Fund
http://www.firemansfund.com/homeowners

Chubb Group
http://www.chubb.com/

Mercury Insurance Group
http://www.mercuryinsurance.com/

Xinsurance Company
http://www.xinsurance.com/insurance-options/personal-liability/animal-liability/

[ErikJ]

24. THat's odd-State Farm asked me if I had any dangerous dog.

last time I got house insurance. I didnt tell him about the homeless guy living in my backyard with a chow though. I fully expect they wont pay if he bites someone. It possibly could invalidate anything on my policy too knowing insurance companies.

[snooper2]

73. you can use the Internet for research too...

FYI

[baldguy]

16. Of course you know that's a lie.

Whether or not a homeowner has a dog is one factor among many that will determine their insurance rate. And the same considerations would be taken if the dog is a Pit Bull, or a German Shepard, or a Doberman Pincher, or a Chow, or a Siberian Husky, or any of a dozen other larger breeds. What will definitely increase the rate - and quite possibly cancel the policy - is if the dog is considered vicious. Then the breed doesn't matter at all. A Toy Poodle who bites everyone it can reach is going to cause higher premiums to be charged & more problems for the homeowner than a friendly, waggly-tailed Pit Bull.

[roody]

27. My insurance company has never asked

me about dogs. Some would call my Thai ridgeback/sharpai a pitbull because he is big and strong, but he is not a pit.

[ErikJ]

40. Well they sure do in my state. States have different standards I guess.

[PeaceNikki]

43. agents have their own standards.

[Whisp]

14. Wil Wheaton's Seamus looks just like our dear departed Jocko.

We miss you, Jocko. RIP

[baldguy]

33. Wil has Marlowe too.

But I couldn't find a pic of them together.

[BainsBane]

18. Awesome!

Lots of love for the pups.

[roguevalley]

19. my next dog. Jon Stewart lives his stuff. My hero, that

tripod dog.

[PeaceNikki]

21. Yeah, for anyone who missed the slide show on HuffPo

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/07/jon-stewart-three-legged-dog_n_3230737.html

So sweet.

[quakerboy]

20. Is it bad

That i have no idea who most of these people are, and that the dogs just look like dogs? Except the ones which appear to have cropped ears, who look like dogs who were mauled by people at some point in their lives?

[baldguy]

30. The point is 99.9999999% of dogs that look like Pit Bulls **DON'T** and **WON'T** bite people.

Last edited Sat May 18, 2013, 06:23 PM - Edit history (1)

And out of the very few dogs that do bite people - MOST ARE NOT PIT BULLS!

There are a small number of disingenuous & dishonest people who would have you believe otherwise, and most news media are too lazy to report the real issues when reporting about dog bites.

[BREMPRO]

77. where did you get your information? Pit bulls bites are by far the most in number and

fatalities. more than all other breeds combined

Breed Bodily harm Child Victims Adult Victims Deaths Maimings % of dog population
Pit bull 2235 911 806 233 1268 4.4%
Rottweiler 495 278 131 81 277 2.2%
Husky 71 44 5 24 20 .05%
Wolf hybrid 84 69 5 19 48
Bullmastiff (Presa canario) 87 30 33 14 46 .04%
German shepherd 96 60 28 14 59 2.3%
Pit bull-mix 148 63 37 12 83
Akita 65 42 19 8 47 .06%
German shepherd-mix 41 26 12 7 26
Chow 55 36 16 7 37 .01%
Doberman 15 8 7 7 7 1.3%

*Chart ordered by number of deaths; includes only a portion of breeds listed in report

sOurce:http://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics-study-dog-attacks-and-maimings-merritt-clifton.php

[LostOne4Ever]

79. First off

Pitbulls are not a breed. Its a group of about 4 different breeds. Further, pitbulls are one of the single most popular (set of) breeds so of course there is going to be more pitbull bites.

Break that graph down into breed and populations and you get this:


Pit bull 2235 /4.4%=508/4breeds=126 attacks per 100 dogs per breed

Rottweiler 495 /2.2%=225/1breed= 225 attacks per 100 dogs per breed

Husky 71/.05%=1420/1breed=1420 per 100 dogs per breed

Bullmastiff (Presa canario) 87 /.04%=2175/1breed=2175 attacks per 100 dogs per breed

German shepherd 96 /2.3%=42/1breed=42 attacks per 100 dogs per breed

Akita 65 /.06%=1083/1breed=1083 attacks per 100 dogs per breed

Chow 55 /.01%=5500/1breed=5500 attacks per 100 dogs per breed

Doberman 15 /1.3%=12/1breed=12 attacks per 100 dogs per breed

This puts 6 of the 8 different breeds ahead of pitbulls. The part breeds can't be used as their populations are not even given!!!

Of course the link you gave is horribly biased against dogs so why would they even TRY and be fair? It makes broad generalizations on ALL pitbull owners, and tries to discredit the fact people can EASILY mistake other dogs for pits by putting up a test with dogs as dissimilar to pits as possible (and still has some that could be mistaken). The site tries to assail the ATA test but puts up no information supporting the opposite position. It tries to say that pits have lock jaws (complete myth) because the dogs bites and shakes (all dogs do this). I could go on and on but its not worth it.

PIT BULL MYTHS!

[DirkGently]

88. Well, that pretty much puts all that to bed (to sleep?)

"Pit Bull" has just become a term for a scary-looking dog that bites someone. Multiple breeds, mixes, god-knows-what. Based, we must assume, on some bystander's interpretation or the owner's claim.

It's useless as support for the idea there's something inherently wicked about a large terrier-looking dog.

Broad statistics are such a common way to distort facts in order to reach a nonsensical conclusion. I'd wondered about bites-per-number of dogs-owned. As far as the impact of breeding, long-term, I'd guess that personal protection / guard-type dogs would skew more toward human aggression than dogs intended to hunt or fight animals. Dog fanciers are well aware that Chow Chows are "bitey" Akitas too. Excellent dogs, of course, but kind of aloof with people who aren't in their "family." Looks like that's the case.

Very good stuff here. I learned things.

Thank you.

[BREMPRO]

89. ok. so here's a more objective wikipedia link that sites numerous studies that support their

conclusion of the inherent dangers of the breed. they also are more likely to bite children unprovoked and hard to get to let go during a bite given their breeding. I've witnessed this myself personally.. a child in a park i visited almost died from an unprovoked bite by a pitt bull breed, after being unable to pry the dog fromt he child it took 20+ hits to the head with a baseball bat to get the dog to let go.. (agreed not the best method, but the only one my friend had available at the time)

from wiki:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pit_bull

Pit bull

A 9-year (1979–88) review of fatal dog attacks in the United States determined that, of the 101 attacks in which breed was recorded, pit bulls were implicated in 42 of those attacks (42%).[26] A 1991 study found that 94% of attacks on children by pit bulls were unprovoked, compared to 43% for other breeds.[27] A 5-year (1989–94) review of fatal dog attacks in the U.S. determined that pit bulls and pit bull mixed breeds were implicated in 24 (29%) of the 84 deaths in which breed was recorded.[28]

A 15-year (1991–2005) review of dog attack fatalities investigated by the Kentucky Medical Examiner determined that pit bulls were implicated in 5 of the 11 fatal attacks (45%).[29] Another 15-year (1994–2009) review of patients admitted to a Level I Trauma Center with dog bites determined that pit bulls were most often involved in these attacks: of the 228 patients treated, the breed of dog was recorded in 82 attacks, and of these, 29 (35%) of the attacks were by pit bulls (all other dogs combined accounted for the remaining 65% of attacks).[30] In 45% of the attacks, the dog belonged to the victim's family.[30] The authors wrote:

Attacks by pit bulls are associated with higher morbidity rates, higher hospital charges, and a higher risk of death than are attacks by other breeds of dogs. Strict regulation of pit bulls may substantially reduce the US mortality rates related to dog bites.[30]

However, concerns about the reliability of the study's data, its conclusions, its methodology, and its use of citations were raised in a later letter to the editor of Annals of Surgery, by Karen Delise, founder of the National Canine Research Council, a pit bull advocacy organization.[31]

A 5-year (2001–05) review of dog attack victims admitted to the Children's Hospital of Philadelphia determined that pit bull terriers were implicated in more than half of the bites where breed was identified. Of the 269 patients where breed was identified, 137 (51%) were attacked by pit bulls.[32] The authors wrote:

the overwhelming number of bites involving pit bull terriers in this study and others certainly has some degree of validity when it comes to identifying bite-prone breeds. Pit bull terriers, German shepherds, and Rottweilers were the offending breeds implicated in our study, and have accounted for the majority of dog bites according to other investigators.[32]

A review of the medical literature found that pit bulls and pit bull cross-breeds were involved in 42–45% of dog attacks.[33] Fatalities were most often reported when children were attacked, with 70% of victims being under the age of 10.[33]

Some other studies on the number of human deaths caused by dog bite trauma have surveyed news media stories for reports of dog-bite-related fatalities. This methodology is subject to potential errors, as some fatal attacks may not have been reported, a study might not find all relevant news reports, and the dog breed might be misidentified.[6]

Courts in the United States[34][35] and Canada[36][37] have ruled that expert identification, when using published breed standards, is sufficient for the enforcement of breed-specific legislation. It is also possible to distinguish dogs by breed using DNA testing,[37] though test results for any one dog can vary widely depending upon the laboratory that performs the test and the number of purebred dog breeds in the laboratory's DNA database.[38]

[baldguy]

96. You do realize that any numbnuts with an internet connection can edit Wikipedia?

And that nothing that is either listed in that article, or the sources linked to it (where your numbers come from) address any of the issues spelled out by LostOne4Ever in Reply # 79?

Just look at the first one: A 9-year (1979–88) review of fatal dog attacks in the United States (http://www.dogsbite.org/pdf/1979-1988-dog-bite-related-fatalities.pdf). I can identify the basic problems with this report and I know the answers to all of the simple questions listed below. Let's see if you can find the problems with it. It's your link. You defend it.

-How did the authors determine the breed of the dog?
-How do they account for all the various breeds that are described as Pit Bulls (the American Pit Bull Terrier, the American Staffordshire Terrier, the Staffordshire Bull Terrier, and the American Bulldog - according to YOUR link)?
-How do they categorize crossbred dogs?
-How do they account for the larger population of Pit Bull-types?
-Do they make any reference to the condition of the dogs involved?
-What manner of training & socialization did the dogs have?
-Had the dogs been spayed/neutered?
-Had the dogs been abused in any way?

And did you even notice that this particular link goes directly back to the notorious DogsBite.org?

[BREMPRO]

105. sure from dogbites. but the study was performed by JAMA, well respected for their adherence

to rigorous scientific method and peer review. Using national center for health statistics and news reports of dog attacks seems a reasonable cross reference. the tone of your questions suggests you believe it's the owners treatment neglect, abuse, training,lack of neutering rather than the dog breed itself as well as the statistically higher numbers of pitt bull breeds lumped together that is the core reason pitt bulls have a higher bite and mortality rate. points taken, however one has to ask if this is the reason, why is it that owners seem to train, neglect, abuse this breed over others? is there something in the breed that attracts one to train for aggression? Whatever the reasons, the statistics remain significant that this group of dogs (all those close cousins categorized as pitt bull breeds) have the highest bite and mortality rates..in this study 42 percent of fatalities, 3 times the number of the next highest breed. That should give one serious pause and concern about these dogs. My personal experience witnessing the attack of a child by what i believe was an American pitt bull was horrifying and i've seen first hand a dog that seemed calm and friendly turn into a monster in seconds without warning and not let go until it was nearly beaten with over 20 blows to the head from a bat that would kill any man to save a child's life.. Not something you forget.

[LostOne4Ever]

107. Probably because of the media

The media seems to like to glorify the breeds as being viscous attack dogs, so there is a significant portion of the public views them as that as well. Thus, you have a lot of people wanting to get these dogs and encouraging them to be viscous.

Again, we need to take breed and population into account with those numbers. If one dog made up 80% of the population and were responsible for 60% of the attacks that does not mean the dog is especially viscous, especially if there is a dog making up 2% of the population and doing 39% of the attacks.

I get that you had a scary experience. But I don't think its fair to compare the entire breed on the misbehavior of a few dogs. We had a shitsu at one time who was a holy terror. Would it be right to judge all shitsu's based on that one dog?

Dog fatalities in the US range around 20 deadly attacks per year. You are more likely to die from lighting than you are from a dog. While there were 31 deadly dog attacks in 2011 pitbulls (including all 4 breeds) make up 1-2million dogs. Using the lower bounds of that number and assuming all attacks were by pitbulls that means that 99.9969% of pitbulls didn't kill anyone. Using that one biased website's number of attacks that still means that 99.78% of pits dont attack...and thats over 20 years!!!

Let me put it this way using that websites numbers thats only 1 in 447 pits that attack at all (and thats from a 20 year study...how many pits live that long?), and only one in 32258 pits kill and this is using biased numbers against the breed. Is it really fair to judge an entire breed by those numbers? Again more people die on average from lighting (55 a year) than all dogs (20) combined.

[LostOne4Ever]

106. Lots of Abstracts

[div class="excerpt" style="background-color:#dcdcdc; padding-bottom:5px; border:1px solid #bfbfbf; border-bottom:none; border-radius:0.4615em 0.4615em 0em 0em; box-shadow:3px 3px 3px #999999;"]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pit_bull [div class="excerpt" style="background-color:#f0f0f0; border:1px solid #bfbfbf; border-top:none; border-radius:0em 0em 0.4615em 0.4615em; box-shadow:3px 3px 3px #999999;"]A 9-year (1979–88) review of fatal dog attacks in the United States determined that, of the 101 attacks in which breed was recorded, pit bulls were implicated in 42 of those attacks (42%). A 1991 study found that 94% of attacks on children by pit bulls were unprovoked, compared to 43% for other breeds. A 5-year (1989–94) review of fatal dog attacks in the U.S. determined that pit bulls and pit bull mixed breeds were implicated in 24 (29%) of the 84 deaths in which breed was recorded.

This again ignores that pitbulls are made of 4 different breeds (thus the percentage is 10.5%) and ignores population. Its also based on media reports which I showed in my previous link were unreliable.

For Source 27 I can not find more than an abstract to the study cited. That said they have more german shepards identified as attacking than pits in the first place (and treat all pits as a single breed). But 33 pits hardly sounds like a good sample size. I will concede that this suggests that they are more likely to attack unprovoked but I feel the sample size is too small want to find a copy of the full report before making any judgments

For the 5 year study they lump all 4 breeds of pitbull along with pitbull mixes to get their results and again ignores population. Again news sources were used to ID the dogs.


[div class="excerpt" style="background-color:#f0f0f0; border:1px solid #bfbfbf; border-top:none; border-radius:0em 0em 0.4615em 0.4615em; box-shadow:3px 3px 3px #999999;"]"A 15-year (1991–2005) review of dog attack fatalities investigated by the Kentucky Medical Examiner determined that pit bulls were implicated in 5 of the 11 fatal attacks (45%). Another 15-year (1994–2009) review of patients admitted to a Level I Trauma Center with dog bites determined that pit bulls were most often involved in these attacks: of the 228 patients treated, the breed of dog was recorded in 82 attacks, and of these, 29 (35%) of the attacks were by pit bulls (all other dogs combined accounted for the remaining 65% of attacks). In 45% of the attacks, the dog belonged to the victim's family. The authors wrote:

Attacks by pit bulls are associated with higher morbidity rates, higher hospital charges, and a higher risk of death than are attacks by other breeds of dogs. Strict regulation of pit bulls may substantially reduce the US mortality rates related to dog bites. "

The 15 year reviews once again only shows the abstract however, even the abstract admits that they only did Forensic odontological examinations on the suspected dogs in 4 of the 11 cases from source 29. Any information beyond that requires access to the full article. The other says the breed was identified but not how. Again, further information requires access to the full article. Did these sources get their sources from Vets or from the News Media? But again treats pit bulls as a breed and does not take population into account, it uses a median numbers rather than means (why? Were there outliers? If there were Outliers on what side of the bell-curve were they?), and the mortality rate is too low to even get a representative sample.

I also want to note the EXTREMELY small numbers in this study. In 15 years they had 83 cases of attacks and only 3 fatalities. This is far from a representative sample.

FURTHER note what it says here:

[div class="excerpt" style="background-color:#f0f0f0; border:1px solid #bfbfbf; border-top:none; border-radius:0em 0em 0.4615em 0.4615em; box-shadow:3px 3px 3px #999999;"]However, concerns about the reliability of the study's data, its conclusions, its methodology, and its use of citations were raised in a later letter to the editor of Annals of Surgery, by Karen Delise, founder of the National Canine Research Council, a pit bull advocacy organization.

The next paragraph includes its own criticism in what you cited but from the source material you can once again only get the abstract. But from that we see that pitbulls are once again being treated as a single breed and ignoring population.

Paragraph after that again ignores breed/population and include part-breeds all of which throw off the results.

The second to last paragraph confirms what I have been saying about news based results, and the last paragraph is talking about the need of experts in legislation and the reliability of DNA testing.

So all in all, the info from source 27 is the only one that I admit shows any type of problem with the breed, and I still question their sample size and I still have not found a free version of the full article to see how they determined breed, their methodology, etc. If you have access to this information I will review it, till then I will have to look on the net for the full article.

[dsc]

110. I delivered papers as a kid

and by far the meanest, scariest, dog on my route was a chow. Damn thing was outside 24/7 and even its owners appeared to be a bit scared of her. I felt sorry for her but didn't dare go near for fear she would eat me.

[baldguy]

82. Dogsbite,com is an anti-Pit Bull propaganda site, full of outright lies.

If you're using that for a "source", you don't deserve to be taken seriously.

[BREMPRO]

85. are you saying their statistics are wrong? or simply misleading?

you are using stats like 99.9999999% pitt bulls don't bite and "out of the very few dogs that do bite people - MOST ARE NOT PIT BULLS!" .. can you agree that this is not true? can you site actual studies/ statistics that show that the overall majority of dog bites on humans/children and bite fatalities are in fact not by pitt bulls? i would suggest this site's stats are more accurate than your own. just trying to get to the truth here without hyperbole.

[LostOne4Ever]

108. According to Wikipedia

According to wikipedia there are 1-2million pits in the US.

In 2011 there were 31 dog attacks (only 2 of which can be attributed to pits with certainty).

Lets assume for argument sake that all 31 were committed by pits for argument sake and use the lower bound of their population.

n=number of pits that don't kill=1,000,000-31=999969
p=total pitbulls

100%*n/p=99.9969%

He went overboard with 9s but its around 99.9969%

Study from 2011 showing that only 2 of the 31 attacks can be determined with certainty to be pits:

http://nationalcanineresearchcouncil.com/uploaded_files/tinymce/2011%20Final%20Investigative%20DBRF%20Report.pdf

[Celerity]

111. Bullmastiffs (from the UK) and Presa Canarios (from Spain) are two entirely separate breeds

Bullmastiff





Perro de Presa Canario

[ErikJ]

23. Josh Hutcherson adopts pit bull

AWWWW!

[whatchamacallit]

26. And as we all know

celebrities are never wrong, or dumb, or reckless... I'll give you this Baldguy, at least this OP doesn't totally suck.

[Buzz Clik]

28. How many of these people are now dead from mauling since the pics were taken?

50%? 75% 100%

[ellenfl]

35. u forgot the sarcasm emotie. dogs are like people. good or bad, it's all in how they are trained.

[Buzz Clik]

36. Surely I didn't need the little sign!

[baldguy]

48. Seems the genocidal dog haters lack the sarcasm gene.

[ellenfl]

90. i thought you were being serious. sorry. eom

[ErikJ]

41. Now for a reality check:

This weeks pit bull carnage brought to you by Google News: "Pit bull attack"

WKMG Orlando
Police: 3 men injured in Holly Hill pit bull attacks
Daytona Beach News-Journal-May 17, 2013
Three people were attacked by pit bulls on Ridgewood Avenue in Holly Hill early Friday morning, Holly Hill Police Chief Mark Barker said.
Dogs quarantined after attacking 3 people in Holly Hill

WKMG Orlando-May 17, 2013
Police investigate three separate pitbull attacks in Holly Hill
WOGX-May 17, 2013
all 8 news sources »

3 injured in more local pit bull attacks, police say

Daytona Beach News-Journal-May 17, 2013
WHAT HAPPENED: 27-year-old Brandi Bookamer was attacked by a pack of pit bulls as she walked with her 6-year-old daughter. Her daughter ...

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Pit bull attacks toddler in Newton Grove
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A pit bull belonging to a friend of the boy's aunt was locked in a separate room. The dog got past the woman when she opened the door and ...
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Sergeant kills pit bull attacking teen: 'That dog would have killed me'
Chicago Tribune-May 15, 2013
Tyrell Henry just got off the bus and was walking to school when he got a quick glimpse of a pit bull seconds before it jumped him. "When it first ...

Cop kills pit bull attacking teen on South Side
Chicago Sun-Times-May 16, 2013
A police officer — who had been called to the area after an earlier report of a pit bull attack blocks away — shot and killed the dog. The first ............................

And hundreds more:

https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&gl=us&tbm=nws&q=pit+bull+attack&oq=pit+bull+&gs_l=news-cc.1.1.43j0l2j43i53.2506.5140.0.7346.9.4.0.5.5.0.288.739.1j2j1.4.0...0.0...1ac.1.BYoEO7IRAm8

[baldguy]

42. And media reports are notoriously inaccurate when in reporting the breed in dog attack stories.

And almost never describe the true reasons such attacks occur: 1) When the dog has not been properly trained & socialized, 2) When the dog has not been spayed/neutered, and 3) When the dog has been neglected and/or abused.

And, look at your post: Neither have you. It's almost like you've intended to create a false impression of why such incidents occur.

[PeaceNikki]

44. there are plenty of threads shitting all over pits. kindly shit in one of those

And let those of us who care for and love these kind souls have one. Please and thank you.

[one_voice]

50. There are plenty of shit on pit bull...

threads you didn't need to bring that shit in here. For fuck's sake. Isn't it enough you have threads where people call for the execution of them on site, you have to come into a nice thread and fuck it up.

[ErikJ]

51. Dog breeders are shit-STOP the insanity

What some people will do for money is obscene. Breeding dogs to kill each other is even worse than breeding dogs that suffer their whole lives with inbred deformities that some sick fucks think are "cute".

[baldguy]

52. And spreading lies about the majority of normal, well-adjusted, happy family dogs is evil.

Calling for the wholesale, indiscriminate slaughter of millions of innocent animals because of the actions of a few sadistic people is equally evil.

And if you're not aware that nearly every breed of dog has inbred deformities, you're more ignorant that I thought. One more reason to put any comments you may have regarding dogs & put them aside for the derision and ridicule they deserve.

[ErikJ]

58. I was talking most specifically about the English Bull Dog but it does apply to other breeds as well

Here's a recent article from the New York Times.
..................................
Can the Bulldog Be Saved?
Broadcast on the BBC, “Exposed” spawned three independent reports into purebred breeding, each finding that some modern breeding practices — including inbreeding and breeding for “extreme traits,” like the massive and short-faced head of the bulldog — are detrimental to the health and welfare of dogs. Bulldogs were noted in all three reports as a breed in need of an intervention, with one going so far as to question whether it is ethically defensible to continue breeding them at all.

“There is little doubt that the anatomy of the English bulldog has considerable capacity to cause suffering,” Dr. Nicola Rooney and Dr. David Sargan concluded in one of the reports, “Pedigree Dog Breeding in the U.K.: A Major Welfare Concern?” “The breed is noted to have locomotion difficulties, breathing problems, an inability to mate or give birth without assistance. . . . Many would question whether the breed’s quality of life is so compromised that its breeding should be banned.”

In the United States, some veterinarians, breeders and animal-welfare experts are beginning to wonder the same thing. Last spring, the Humane Society organized its first conference on the topic of purebred-dog health and welfare. The society’s chief executive, Wayne Pacelle, told me the conference signaled the beginning of a new era for his organization, which until recently has been focused on what he calls “more obvious” forms of animal cruelty. “Inbreeding and other reckless breeding practices may not be as bloody as dogfighting or as painful to look at as puppy mills, but they may ultimately cause even more harm to the well-being of dogs,” he said.

............................................................

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/27/magazine/can-the-bulldog-be-saved.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

[baldguy]

59. No, you weren't. You're just spreading shit.

[ErikJ]

60. Breeding dogs to kill other dogs is equally bad or worse.

And there is no doubt that is what pits were and still ARE bred for today. The bangers get a macho high from these beasts.

[baldguy]

61. Look at the OP again. Just like 99.99999% of all dogs, not a killer in the bunch.

I know little thing like facts are difficult for you to wrap your mind around & understand. But, you could at least try to use the brain cells nature has given you. I won't keep my hopes up, though, because you haven't put them to any use so far.

[baldguy]

66. The animal abusers are doing what you want them to do: punishing your guilty party.

They're punishing those worthless, evil mutant monster dogs that you lay the blame for sin you can think of.

Of course you totally ignore the fact that PEOPLE are responsible, not the dogs. And not the people that rescue, rehabilitate, and treat them with love & compassion.

[ErikJ]

68. Yes! PEOPLE are the evil ones breeding killer dogs.

[baldguy]

69. And 99.99999% aren't killers. Yet you want to do away with them anyway.

The abusers are doing your work for you.

[ErikJ]

70. Pit bulls are a product of MAN! NOT GOD!

[baldguy]

72. So are horses. And they kill more people than dogs do each year.

Cows also - cows kill more people.

And coconuts.

But you want to play god and just eliminate all the Pit Bulls? That's nor arrogant or crazy at all.

[PeaceNikki]

53. you should look into how many in the op were rescued.

[one_voice]

55. Dog breeders you say?

inbred? Sick fucks thinking it's cute, huh?

here's your cute....


















deformities indeed....

[LostOne4Ever]

62. And if you look up further in the thread

You will find a link to pitbulls who saved people!

http://bslnews.org/pit-bull-heroes-hall-of-fame/

Further you can google hero pitbull and get a similar list of pitbulls who saved people:

https://www.google.com/search?biw=1600&bih=785&q=hero+pitbull&oq=hero+pitbull&gs_l=serp.3..0i20l2j0l2j0i22i30l4j0i22i10i30j0i22i30.28030.30817.0.31110.12.12.0.0.0.0.297.2227.0j7j5.12.0...0.0...1c.1.14.serp.oNQ49Y5vDvI

Anecdotal evidence is anecdotal.

There were only 31 fatalities from dog bites in 2011 and only 2 were can be attributed to pitbulls with any type of certainty; yet, there were THOUSANDS of deaths from car accidents.

http://nationalcanineresearchcouncil.com/uploaded_files/tinymce/2011%20Final%20Investigative%20DBRF%20Report.pdf
http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/cats/transportation/motor_vehicle_accidents_and_fatalities.html

Why don't we ban cars while we are at it?

[ErikJ]

64. Oh boy, is the NRA branching into Pit bulls now? nt

[LostOne4Ever]

65. If you think

If you think the 2 pitbull related deaths in 2011 compares to the over 8500 gun related deaths in 2011 there is no hope for you.

You have shown you have no problem with lying to support your position and now we know facts are meaningless to you as well. Im taking my sig's advice from here on out.

Ciao

Edit:
Note to everyone else, in his reply to this post, this guy totally ignores the link I posted above about only 2 pitbulls being involved and gave out the INCORRECT number of 22...which was EXPLAINED IN THE LINK!!!

He ignores all facts that don't support his position and once again cherry picks his facts. I rest my case.

[ErikJ]

67. Too Absurd

Fatalities reported in 2011 [edit]
News organizations reported at least 31 fatal dog attacks in the United States in 2011. The category of dog most commonly reportedly involved in these attacks were pit-bull type and pit-bull mixes (21 attacks).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatal_dog_attacks_in_the_United_States#Fatalities_reported_in_2011

And for every death there are hundreds if not thousands of maulings.

And even more small pet deaths. My small dogs have been attacked by pits several times.
Hell, pits even kill horses. Google "pit bull attack horse"

[baldguy]

71. You know those numbers are based on incorrect & inaccurate media reports.

This has been proven repeatedly, by several DUers - and now by LostOne4Ever - but you keep posting the same bullshit.

[flvegan]

74. Your premise is absurd.

(but you should have known that, considering)

[Scootaloo]

76. That would require the NRA to have a sense of ethics.

[BainsBane]

46. 0%

[Apophis]

34. OH MY GAWDS THOSE EVIL DAWGS SHOULD BE PUT TO DEATH!!! 1111

[Rex]

37. Why don't you just buy into the pitbull hysteria like everyone else!?

ERADICATE THE BREED!

[baldguy]

38. I've got this little girl to keep me grounded in reality.

She's not able to kill a bug. Believe me, she's tried!

[Skittles]

80. aw she's a beaut!!!

[darkangel218]

81. She looks cute and dorkly! especially her ears! x

God I luv pitts!!

[Rex]

93. Beautiful dog, I can tell you take great care of her.

What a healthy coat! DON'T let the people here who want to criminalize a breed of dog get you down!

I work at a local animal shelter and have seen countless Pits come through here. Some from fighting and some from people scared that it was a Pit. They are some of the friendliest dogs I've ever encountered. Even the ones that were tortured into fighting, turn out to be gentle giants only wanting some positive attention. I have sat with them and felt the pain of their scars from life (some of them with hundreds of scars). I've had more than one lean on me and groan with joy that someone would sit on the floor and hug (and give a good ear scratch) until they felt enough love and courage to lay down and fall asleep by themselves.

The pain and torture this breed is put through breaks my heart in half.

[ellenfl]

94. she's beautiful! eom

[shireen]

39. Torrey Smith does fundraising for our Baltimore animal shelter

and adopted the pup from them. He's also active in anti-animal abuse campaigns. Love him!

Those are great photos! Those dogs crack me up. I just love how their entire posterior moves when they wag their tails. Butt-waggers, that's what I call 'em!

[dorkzilla]

83. My baby girl pit does that too, and I call it "helicopter hinee"

I just wish I could find her a pupeh hula hoop!

I love pits, my baby girl is the sweetest--and by far the smartest--dog I've ever had (but don't tell my lab! He's very sensitive)!

[99Forever]

45. Welll golly gee willikers...

... I guess if some famous (several of which I have never heard of nor do I give one shit about) have something, it MUST be a good thing.

[opiate69]

47. here`s a favorite of mine..

Shorty Rossi and his service dog, Hercules.

[susanr516]

49. Rachel Ray's dog looks like my Baby Girl

She was the world's largest lap dog. My children were young and sometimes stepped or fell on her. Even if she was hurt, she never once even growled at them. However, she wouldn't let anyone she didn't know within 10 feet of my kids. She died about 15 years ago, and I still miss her.

[ZombieHorde]

54. Ten minutes after the photoshoot, all of them died!!!!!!

Aaaaahhhh!!!!

[ErikJ]

56. Worse-their faces were ripped off.

[ZombieHorde]

57. Aaaahhhhh! nt

[Quantess]

75. Sweet! I didn't know what to expect before I saw the photos...

but those seem like very happy dogs!

[brett_jv]

78. Our pit is the sweetest damn animal you'd ever wanna meet ...

I would never in a million years worry about him attacking anyone, unless MAAAYBE if someone were trying to hurt my wife. He's been around small children his whole life and we've never worried for one single second that he'd ever hurt one of them, and he never has. Pit bulls get a totally bad rap, they're just like every other dog, it's all about how they're raised (although I'd imagine some 'lines' of them that have been bred for generations to be mean are perhaps irregularly hostile, but that's the fault of PEOPLE, not the breed!)

[dorkzilla]

84. Bless you, BaldGuy!

This was an awwwwwwwww-inspiring post!

Keep spreading the love! Haters gonna hate, but some of us know how incredibly sweet these dogs can be.

[whatchamacallit]

86. So baldguy, if abuse is the reason these dogs become violent

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shouldn't the poor tortured pits in your other post be put down? If your assumption is true those dogs, should they recover, will be dangerous. Right?

[DirkGently]

87. Tragically, these are the last known photos of the victims ...

. . . before they were devoured by their vicious Devil Dogs!

[GaYellowDawg]

91. Are you sure those are pit bulls?

I'm not. I don't see any papers! I want to see official AKC documents and specific DNA tests that prove all of those are pit bulls! And I don't want some secondhand crap, either! I want to see the actual documents! And the actual data from the actual DNA tests! Otherwise, these are just some breed that someone mistook for a pit bull!

You want to play that game with the news reports, play the same game here. Oh, and I didn't see all the AKC registered papers and DNA tests for all the mutilated dogs in the other post, either. Holding both posts to your own standards, and the standards of the pit bull defenders, then ZERO of the mutilated dogs and ZERO of these celebrity dogs actually represent pit bulls.

Don't like it? Welcome to your very own "No True Pit Bull" fallacy.

[99Forever]

92. Ut oh...

... that's gonna leave a mark.

Bwahahahahahahhah.

[baldguy]

97. I call them Pit Bulls simply because their owners do.

I don't rely on ill-informed news reports about dog bites because they'll call anything with four legs and a tail a "Pit Bull".

[font color=white]So FUCK YOU[/font]

[GaYellowDawg]

99. Insufficient. Where are the papers?

You didn't demand papers? You didn't feel a need to ask for a DNA test from those owners? You don't know the owners aren't "ill-informed," too. Do you? No, you don't. What you really mean here is that news reports that you don't like are "ill-informed" and pictures that you want to use have a, shall we say, less rigorous standard. You went after posters linking newspaper reports in a big way, demanding DNA tests and papers, but we're supposed to take your word for it on the mutilation pics, or their word for it on these pictures? Basically, what this does is to invalidate your entire argument against newspaper articles because you have no fucking clue whether the witnesses, the police officers, or the media in question made a correct ID. So are papers important, or are they not? I rather suspect your arguments can't hold up under consistency.

This means everyone reading any of your arguments against newspaper articles can go back to reading them as written, because you're willing to bypass papers/DNA identification so long as your side of the story is served.

[baldguy]

100. The breed only matters when dumbfucks are looking to place blame on someone.

Or worse, trying to enforce an order for genocide.

[GaYellowDawg]

102. OR when you're being hypocritical about it.

As in, you're fine with a dog being called a "pit bull" as long as the person doing the labeling agrees with your viewpoint. But then you go all "No true Scotsman" when someone doesn't. Which makes you look both dumbfuck and desperate.

And genocide is, according to Mirriam-Webster, "the deliberate and systematic destruction of a racial, political, or cultural group." Pit bulls count as none of these, so it's not genocide to propose banning the breed, either.

[baldguy]

103. What is a breed other than a race of dog?

And what's it like to get all offended & upset from pics of happy people hugging their pets? Are you so full of bile, hatred & sadism that you suffer pain & get freaked out by expressions of love & affection?

[GaYellowDawg]

109. It's very different. And where are the papers?

Race is a set of physical characteristics in H. sapiens that generally differ based on geographic isolation and have been an entirely natural phenomenon, while breeds of dog are variants resulting entirely from artificial selection by humans. Very different. Additionally, if you equate the two, then not only does breed=race, but race=breed. Pick any ethnic group of human and tell them that their race is equivalent to a dog breed and see how that goes over.

I wasn't offended at the pics of happy people hugging their pets, nor do I get freaked out in the least by love and affection. Nice try at a Hannity-type redirect (e.g., "don't you love America? Do you hate freedom?&quot , but it was such a clumsy try that it actually made me laugh. The real issue here, which you have completely failed to address, is that you make very different demands for identifying pit bulls in your own posts, and from people linking articles about attacks. In the former, just a picture will do. In the latter, there are demands for AKC papers and DNA tests.

So I ask again, where are the papers, and where are the tests? No redirects, no excuses. Where are they? According to your own standards as applied to newspaper articles about attacks, your "mutilation" and "huggy" posts are completely invalid.

One last thing: because you accused me of some kind of sadistic personality, I'll note that your first instinct was to post mutilation pics before the happy people hugging pets. Perhaps a little self-analysis is in order?

[Tace]

95. Our Border Collie "Mix" Rescue Dog Turned Out To Be A "Pitbull"

There's no way we would have requested an American Staffordshire Terrier from the rescue folks, but that's what we got, according to the vet.

And, there's no possible way we're giving her back.

No way.

I think maybe you have to have one to understand. They are amazingly wonderful animals.

--Tace

[Iggo]

98. More guns!!!

Oh, wait...

[tblue37]

101. Cute puppehs! nt

[LiberalFighter]

104. It is not the dog that is the problem. It is the people that care for them.

If they are mistreated they are going to react first to avoid further mistreatment.