Beyond Obstruction to Treason

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Maher: GOP has moved beyond obstruction to treason . . . http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/05/18/maher-gop-has-moved-beyond-obstruction-to-treason/ …


On Friday night’s edition of “Real Time with Bill Maher,” host Bill Maher and guests filmmaker Michael Moore, commentator S. E. Cupp and New York Times columnist Andrew Ross Sorkin discussed the obstructionist Republican Congress and its mission to take down the president by taking down the country. Moore opined that the Republican Party is a “squealing dinosaur” whose time has come . . .

. . . and what about trying to repeal (ACA) for the 37th time?” Maher went on. “Is that a wise use of our time and resources? At some point, obstruction becomes, um, I dunno, treason.”

“At some point,” Maher said, “it becomes more about hating him than loving our country.”

“No, they hate America,” said Moore. “I think that’s really what it is.”

He went on to say that “conservatives and right-wingers,” as much as they profess to love this country, “they hate it. They hate the government, they hate the people.”

Young people today, he said, “they’re not bigots, they’re not haters.” The Republican Party is a “squealing dinosaur” that is coming face-to-face with its own extinction.


read/watch clip: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/05/18/maher-gop-has-moved-beyond-obstruction-to-treason/

[sheshe2]

1. Thanks, bigtree.

Young people, he said, are retreating from the Republican Party and abandoning its principles as outdated and overly moralistic.

It's time for all, to come out of the caves and into the light of reality. We can leave the dinosaurs behind to die.

[Jamaal510]

2. I saw that episode last night,

and I have to say--I almost felt kind of sorry for S.E. in some of the stuff she said because I could hear some folks in the audience literally laughing at her. But I digress.
I wouldn't go so far as to say that Republicans "hate" America, like how Mike said; it's more of a matter of them being apathetic about the well-being of fellow Americans and being mostly concerned with their own pocketbooks. Most of them are too self-centered to do what is necessary to get the country on the correct path again.
I will say, though, that they do seem to have it out for the opposite side of the spectrum, and especially Obama.

[red dog 1]

3. Rec. thanks for posting this.

[mountain grammy]

4. I think all but the most diehard racists and Christian supremists are beginning to weaken.

The world is rushing by them. Living in constant hate and fear must be exhausting. Imagine having to face, work with (or for) or wait on people you hate and fear the most. Mother nature and corporate neglect seems to have turned on farmers and the good people in small towns and rural area who have put their faith in the Republican party and believed in the evils of regulation, only to have deregulation blow up in their faces.

[longship]

5. I am uncomfortable with the word "treason" here.

In the United States it has a very specific meaning that the founders took considerable effort to explicitly define.

From Article III:

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court. The Congress shall have Power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted.

Undoubtedly, part of the reason why this was done was to stop a charge of treason from being used against individuals for mere political purposes which had historically been done in the past.

Flinging the word "treason" around like this is not in the best interest under our Constitution, which specifically defines what treason is. Political opposition is not there. In the fifties and sixties the John Birchers used this sort of puffed-up rhetoric to oppose what they called communists, but were maybe just Democratic Party members.

I know it is a rhetorical argument, but I don't like Democrats doing this anymore than I like that the right wingers doing it.

The fucking Republican political games are despicable and their policies are harming people in our country. But "treason" as it's defined in the Constitution, it isn't.

I know I am being a pedant here. But I remember the fifties and sixties when the word was used by some pretty horrible people who didn't know what it meant either.

[mrmpa]

6. What about sedition?

18 USC § 2384 - Seditious conspiracy


If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.

[longship]

7. Well, that's nearer the mark.

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But, I would prefer that the voters open their eyes and ears and begin to use their heads for something other than a hat rack. Oh! And vote!

Using hyperbole riles up those of us who are angry, but it also riles up the lunatics. It's part of what got us into this mess in the first place. And believe me, our opponents are masters of hyperbole.

I prefer to fight them with votes, and were not going to get those with hyperbole, not when that's all the opponents know.

The answer is to call them out.

on edit: Google "alien and sedition act" to understand why sedition is another term to be worried about.

[Posteritatis]

8. Yep. That sort of thing is *why* it's the only crime defined in the US constitution. (nt)

[longship]

9. Yup! Kind of what I said.

Thanks, friend.

[Cha]

10. Hate has rendered recons Useless.. if they ever had any use at

all; the big ol green monster has taken it from them.



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