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kpete

(71,957 posts)
Sun May 19, 2013, 01:27 PM May 2013

Well Lookie Here: 3/28/2012: Judge rules tea party group a PAC, not a nonprofit

Judge rules tea party group a PAC, not a nonprofit
By Joe Holley | March 28, 2012
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A Travis County district court judge ruled this week that a Houston-based tea party group is not a nonprofit corporation as it claims, but an unregistered political action committee that illegally aided the Republican Party through its poll-watching efforts during the 2010 elections.

The summary judgment by Judge John Dietz upheld several Texas campaign finance laws that had been challenged on constitutional grounds by King Street Patriots, a tea party organization known for its "True the Vote" effort to uncover voter fraud.

The ruling grew out of a 2010 lawsuit filed by the Texas Democratic Party against the King Street Patriots. The Democrats charged that the organization made unlawful political contributions to the Texas Republican Party and various Republican candidates by training poll watchers in cooperation with the party and its candidates and by holding candidate forums only for GOP candidates.


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http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Judge-rules-tea-party-group-a-PAC-not-a-nonprofit-3442532.php#src=fb

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Well Lookie Here: 3/28/2012: Judge rules tea party group a PAC, not a nonprofit (Original Post) kpete May 2013 OP
Ooooops! nt MADem May 2013 #1
and on my 50th birthday too hfojvt May 2013 #2
"Librul Activist Judge". nt DCKit May 2013 #4
My 62th bday madokie May 2013 #10
I had forgotten about that hfojvt May 2013 #13
Kick this. Note irony of American Enterprise Institute... Anansi1171 May 2013 #3
Google Ads place ads based on keywords... SidDithers May 2013 #5
I have the complete collection zerosumgame0005 May 2013 #12
Great stuff... SidDithers May 2013 #15
Hehehe! freshwest May 2013 #24
The Hell You Say, Ma'am.... The Magistrate May 2013 #6
duh. (not to kpete, or the writer of the op. to the President.) robinlynne May 2013 #7
I remember this court decision. TexasTowelie May 2013 #8
And it took over a year for it to resurface... amerciti001 May 2013 #22
Thanks for posting this. nt caledesi May 2013 #9
Yeah, how ironic John2 May 2013 #11
Simple. Republikkkan Math...... lastlib May 2013 #16
Like the plus million people at Beck's rally... lame54 May 2013 #17
Don't forget the "voter-fraud epidemic" KansDem May 2013 #39
The Republican party: where logic takes a holiday and laws of nature are meaningless! Initech May 2013 #20
K & R !!! WillyT May 2013 #14
Whaat? In KKKarl's, George Bush's, George W. Bush's "home" state? nt silvershadow May 2013 #18
Quotation marks very appropriate. Just like 'I have a TX homestead exemption' but vote in WY Dick.. freshwest May 2013 #25
Oh, then you vote in Dick Cheney's "home" state. He never even heard of Texas before he selected silvershadow May 2013 #30
Sadly, the lawsuit regarding Tricky Dick 2 was tossed out by a GOP judge... freshwest May 2013 #31
So, other than the grifting and the clear ineligibility, that only leaves self-selection as silvershadow May 2013 #36
Oh, no, there's plenty more. Thank Tricky Dick the First for the horror that never ends. EOM. n/t freshwest May 2013 #37
From Poll Watch to Perp Walk Rain Mcloud May 2013 #19
I Still See Loopholes DallasNE May 2013 #21
This is what Karl Rove was smirking about with his Crossroads GPS... amerciti001 May 2013 #27
Actually, The Law Still Says "Exclusive" DallasNE May 2013 #29
The strict reading of the law is still on the books meow2u3 May 2013 #34
Woo hoo! Molly is smiling! freshwest May 2013 #23
I sure miss her. nt silvershadow May 2013 #38
The GOP are using this scandal to clear the path for illegal funds Rosa Luxemburg May 2013 #26
As far as I'm concerned, the only scandal in all this MerryBlooms May 2013 #28
Tea Party reminds me of a spoiled rich brat who claims that his parents are abusing him because they W T F May 2013 #32
More like... jmowreader May 2013 #35
the King Street Patriots are aka True the Voite, they were mentioned in an article in Mother Jones okaawhatever May 2013 #33
They were also active against the Scott Walker recall dragonlady May 2013 #40
Karl Rove mahatmakanejeeves May 2013 #41

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
2. and on my 50th birthday too
Sun May 19, 2013, 01:33 PM
May 2013

Happy birthday to meeee

Doubtless just some librul judge who will eventually be set "right" by the mighty SCOTUS.

Anansi1171

(793 posts)
3. Kick this. Note irony of American Enterprise Institute...
Sun May 19, 2013, 01:36 PM
May 2013

...Advertisement gracing the page of this progessive site, and understand why we are losing the struggle.



SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
5. Google Ads place ads based on keywords...
Sun May 19, 2013, 01:45 PM
May 2013

If, in some small way, DU is causing he AEI to waste it's advertising dollars, by advertising on a site that will simply laugh at the AEI ads, then I'm OK with that.

Sid

amerciti001

(158 posts)
22. And it took over a year for it to resurface...
Sun May 19, 2013, 06:36 PM
May 2013

I reviewed your thread of Thu Mar 29, 2012, 04:51 AM, and now it's back, great.

 

John2

(2,730 posts)
11. Yeah, how ironic
Sun May 19, 2013, 03:00 PM
May 2013

when you have members of Congress, the Press and even the White House expressing outrage over the IRS doing their jobs to police these groups for violating the Tax exempt Laws. Thjey are still pushing this theme the IRS only singled out conservative groups. It was reported out of 300 groups examined by the IRS, 70 were conservative. How do you get from 70 out of 300 to only conservative groups were examined?

lastlib

(23,140 posts)
16. Simple. Republikkkan Math......
Sun May 19, 2013, 03:25 PM
May 2013

Just like Alice In Wonderland--it adds up to what they WANT it to add up to...!

KansDem

(28,498 posts)
39. Don't forget the "voter-fraud epidemic"
Mon May 20, 2013, 05:44 AM
May 2013
No one's going to argue that voter fraud isn't harmful and illegal, but finding evidence of its "long history" is like hunting for jackalopes. As Mother Jones put it, between 2000 and 2010, there were 47,000 UFO sightings, 441 Americans killed by lightning — and only 13 cases of in-person voter impersonation.

"Voter fraud is extraordinarily rare," the Brennan Center finds in its in-depth investigation. "By throwing all sorts of election anomalies under the "voter fraud" umbrella, however, advocates for such laws artificially inflate the apparent need for these restrictions."

--more--
http://theweek.com/bullpen/column/230345/the-gops-make-believe-voter-fraud-epidemic


But voters need to show I.D., dammit!

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
25. Quotation marks very appropriate. Just like 'I have a TX homestead exemption' but vote in WY Dick..
Sun May 19, 2013, 06:46 PM
May 2013

Crooks one and all.

 

silvershadow

(10,336 posts)
30. Oh, then you vote in Dick Cheney's "home" state. He never even heard of Texas before he selected
Sun May 19, 2013, 08:40 PM
May 2013

himself as W's "running mate". Wink wink.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
31. Sadly, the lawsuit regarding Tricky Dick 2 was tossed out by a GOP judge...
Sun May 19, 2013, 09:16 PM
May 2013

Just a quick plane trip to WY to take advantage of their drive-thru motor voter law at the time. They had the convention before either of them read the Constitution. The man was clearly ineligible to run as VP, and not a resident of Wyoming, since he was taking every tax break that the State of Texas offers. That homestead tax break requires that the house be one's primary residence and he'd taken the tax break for years. GOP, party of grifters!!

 

silvershadow

(10,336 posts)
36. So, other than the grifting and the clear ineligibility, that only leaves self-selection as
Sun May 19, 2013, 11:05 PM
May 2013

their only issue(s). What a trip down unpleasant memory lane. I shudder.

DallasNE

(7,402 posts)
21. I Still See Loopholes
Sun May 19, 2013, 05:47 PM
May 2013

Even if the Tea Party is required to set up a PAC for its political activity I still don't see where there will be meaningful disclosure if given 501(c)(4) status. They use the c4 as the vehicle to collect donations without disclosure then pass those donations to the PAC where the PAC lists a single donor - the Tea Party organization.

The IRS needs to go back to the language of the law that says the organization must engage exclusively in social welfare activities. That language is clear. The 1959 rewrite is improper at best. As it is, we have the "fog of IRS".

In this case political wars rather than hot wars. Faced with a mountain of work some workers at the IRS devised a way to cut corners to speed up the process. Internal reviews uncovered these shortcuts and they were ordered to end but the review did not understand the underlying cause (a perceived notion that the workload demanded some kind of shortcuts). So the problem came back with a different, more vague set of keywords. They too were struck down but with the passage of time the IRS began backtracking on the questionnaires then threw up their hands and simply approved all of the applications. Well, two wrongs do not make a right.

A strict reading of the law (not the 1959 interpretation) says that to be tax exempt the organization must be exclusively engaged in social welfare activities -- in other words no political activity whatsoever, not even issue ads. It is time to enforce the law as it is written. That doesn't mean that these organizations engaging in political activity are illegal - only that they must apply as the Super-Pac's that they really are. The difference is not in the tax status - both are tax exempt - but reporting requirements. Large donors names must be listed. In the court of law you are allowed to me your accuser and the same should apply with political campaigns. Without transparency you have corruption -- it is that simple. And none of that would have happened by applying the law as written and that says "exclusively" for social welfare purposes. If anyone manipulated the IRS it is President Eisenhower with that 1959 ruling that gutted the intent of the law.

amerciti001

(158 posts)
27. This is what Karl Rove was smirking about with his Crossroads GPS...
Sun May 19, 2013, 06:55 PM
May 2013

501(c)4 outfit. He knew this was a loophole that was not about to be plugged, because no one was aware of a change in the law from 1959, that really did make present day 501(c)4's actually illegal.

To further exacerbate this loophole, Mr. Rove states that a 501(c)4 can have 49.9% of it activities as political, by his interpretation of the tax code.
Also, I surmised as well about if these 501(c)4's was required to have a 527 PAC, that they'll gladly comply, because they'll still have their 501(c)4 to get these donations and simply pass them to their 527 listing the name of the 501(c)4 org as the donor, hiding the actual donors from all disclosure, slick.

DallasNE

(7,402 posts)
29. Actually, The Law Still Says "Exclusive"
Sun May 19, 2013, 07:24 PM
May 2013

In 1959 an internal IRS document was written to provide clarification on the meaning of "exclusive" to mean "primarily" and while that "clarification" still stands even that meaning has been further watered down to "over half". Not only that but new language segregates political activities between partisan and issue ads. Issue ads don't count towards the "over half" so today exclusive really means nominal. The only issue here is disclosure. These groups that function like PAC's could easily gain tax exempt status as PAC's and operate just as they do but that would require that they disclose large donors (I believe $4,000 and more).

meow2u3

(24,757 posts)
34. The strict reading of the law is still on the books
Sun May 19, 2013, 10:00 PM
May 2013
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/26/501

(c) List of exempt organizations
The following organizations are referred to in subsection (a):

(4)
(A) Civic leagues or organizations not organized for profit but operated exclusively for the promotion of social welfare, or local associations of employees, the membership of which is limited to the employees of a designated person or persons in a particular municipality, and the net earnings of which are devoted exclusively to charitable, educational, or recreational purposes.
(B) Subparagraph (A) shall not apply to an entity unless no part of the net earnings of such entity inures to the benefit of any private shareholder or individual.

MerryBlooms

(11,756 posts)
28. As far as I'm concerned, the only scandal in all this
Sun May 19, 2013, 07:03 PM
May 2013

is the IRS's blatant disregard of law regarding what constitutes a 501 (C) 4, then rubber stamping these scam organizations and our tax dollars subsidizing these goddamn grifters. Grrr

W T F

(1,145 posts)
32. Tea Party reminds me of a spoiled rich brat who claims that his parents are abusing him because they
Sun May 19, 2013, 09:26 PM
May 2013

won't buy him a pony.

jmowreader

(50,528 posts)
35. More like...
Sun May 19, 2013, 11:02 PM
May 2013

they're a spoiled rich brat who claims his parents are abusing him because he wanted a black pony and they got him a brown one instead.

okaawhatever

(9,457 posts)
33. the King Street Patriots are aka True the Voite, they were mentioned in an article in Mother Jones
Sun May 19, 2013, 09:49 PM
May 2013

titled "Actually, Tea Party Groups the IRS lots of good reasons to be examined.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/05/irs-tea-party-tax-problems


True the Vote were the dbags who lined up at polls to make sure there wasn't any voter fraud. Of course they only did so in heavy democratic districts and were basically there for intimidation.

dragonlady

(3,577 posts)
40. They were also active against the Scott Walker recall
Mon May 20, 2013, 12:34 PM
May 2013

They took it upon themselves to examine all of the more than 1 million signatures on the recall petitions and oddly enough found many, many thousands that were "fraudulent" (missing zip codes that weren't required anyway, extremely strict standards for legibility of signature, which didn't have to be legibile either, etc. etc.) Then they put all the scans of the petitions online with a searchable database so anyone can look up people to see if they signed. (At least one judge lost reelection because he had signed.) What a nice group.

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,283 posts)
41. Karl Rove
Mon May 20, 2013, 01:43 PM
May 2013

At the end of each of his op-ed pieces in The Wall Street Journal., he is described like this: "Mr. Rove, a former deputy chief of staff to President George W. Bush, helped organize the political action committee American Crossroads."

See, for one example, http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324266904578456652913658748.html or any copy of the print edition in which the column runs.

American Crossroads is a PAC. It is not a social welfare organization. Period.

If it's good enough for The Wall Street Journal., it's good enough for me.

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