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[eShirl]

1. nobody ever throw a snowball ever again

[jberryhill]

22. People have been convicted of throwing deadly missiles at cars, which were snowballs

I can't fucking believe that people can't wrap their heads around the notion that it is not okay to throw things at others who have not consented to it.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/college/felony-snowball-tossing-busts
Felony Snowball Tossing Busts

[Occulus]

29. I can't believe people think thrown snowballs deserve prison time

[jberryhill]

32. So, if you hit someone's windshield with a snowball..

...they lose visibility, crash the car and die, then it's all good.

Likewise permanently damaging someone's vision by getting glitter in their eye and scratching a cornea.

Or do you think it only counts if that actually happens?

RFK was shot to death in a crowded hotel convention facility. Distracting security assigned to a presidential candidate provides an opportunity for the candidate to get shot by someone else while security is going after someone who thinks throwing things at people is some kind of political discourse.

[Justice wanted]

2. Thanks to the new NDAA and the Government's ability to define things. Confetti would be consider

carpet bombing if Glitter is now considered a missle. BUT what the EFFIN hell are they going to do when it comes to the conventions and all those balloons and confetti start dropping.

[stillwaiting]

7. Oh, that's not a problem!

The government can drop missiles and carpet bombs whenever they feel like it and on whoever they feel like it without any ramifications.

It is us, we the people, that can't drop missiles (glitter - ) and carpet bombs (confetti - ) without going to jail.

That is perfectly sane. Perfectly sane.

[Justice wanted]

9. Your right. Perfectly same to call something that when it is thrown FLOATS and not slams into

another body as a missle.

[hlthe2b]

3. Better reconsider throwing that rice at your next wedding...

This is ridiculous.

[soc7]

4. Hmmmm.... call me crazy

But, I'm thinking that heaving something at any presidential candidate is probably not such a great idea....

[Are_grits_groceries]

5. I didn't say he shouldn't be punished.

I do believe that finding the harshest punishment and making the crime fit it perverts justice.

[Broderick]

6. "faces" six months.

Doubt he will get that much time.

[no_hypocrisy]

8. Glitter being equated with a missile won't stand up to court scrutiny.

The physical qualities and effects of the impact of a missile aren't there.

Let me put it this way: if it were a civil lawsuit instead of a criminal prosecution, the glitter would be a technical "battery" where something made contact with a person. The "impact" would be negligilble like blowing cigar or cigarette smoke at someone, save for a possible complication of the glitter getting in an eye and causing discomfort or infection at the worst.

[jberryhill]

13. Try reading the statute and a dictionary

A "missile" is any thrown object.

Simply because your education is limited does not change the fact that it is illegal to throw things at people.

[no_hypocrisy]

15. On its face, the definition may in fact be applicable, but

I'd want to see how prior courts have interpreted what a "missile" is. That's the definition that carries.

[jberryhill]

18. It is ancient, and from common law battery

Ask any first year torts student.

[no_hypocrisy]

24. A missile is not synonymous with an object. The purpose of the object makes it a missile.

The Macmillan Dicitionary defines a missile as a weapon.

The definition of a weapon is "an object that can be used to hurt people or damage property, for example a gun, knife, or bomb."
http://www.macmillandictionary.com/dictionary/british/weapon

I maintain that glitter is not a missile as it can't injure or kill like a true weapon can.

A court can do one of two things when deciding whether glitter is a missile or not: Either adopt the strict meaning that it's an object thrown or projected or parse the definition to exclude objects that are practically harmless notwithstanding they can be thrown at a person.

[jberryhill]

25. A burrito is a "deadly missile"

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/crime/armed-deadly-burrito
Armed With A Deadly Burrito
Felony charge for teen who tossed Mexican "missile" at car

----

You want to believe throwing shit at people is okay, you go right on believing.

By all means, act like a fucking child.

[no_hypocrisy]

27. Understood and appreciated.

And that's one court's interpretation of the definition of the word "missile". It isn't ubiquitous for all courts. My contention is to see how the court in this particular case will interpret glitter.

And yes, conceded that stuff shouldn't be thrown at people in general, save for traditions of confetti, rice at a wedding, etc.

[jberryhill]

28. One consents to the throwing of confetti at parties and rice at weddings

I sincerely doubt that any court is going to see the act of throwing something, anything, at another person who cannot be understood to have given any consent - particularly when the point of the act is based upon such non-consent - as anything other than some form of assault (or the relevant statutory category of the state in question).

[Are_grits_groceries]

16. "education is limited"???? So right to the personal insults.

That was unnecessary and did nothing to add to the discussion. From previous posts I have read, I believe you are quite capable of disagreeing in a manner that doesn't resort to this kind of attack.

Of course, if you choose to scuttle along the low road, that is your prerogative. It does not reflect well on you.

[jberryhill]

17. Throwing things at people is juvenile

I have no problem whatsoever insulting the intelligence, education and character of people who think throwing things at people is an acceptable way to make a point.

Period.

I honestly don't give a shit how it reflects on me.

You want to support assault as a form of political discourse, that's fine.

[Are_grits_groceries]

19. Hope you enjoy the low road!

Not a very good view from there, and your fellow travelers are a suspect bunch. In addition, you will have to throw your vitriol upwards which guantees some will land back on you.

[jberryhill]

23. Oooohhh... I have "fellow travelers"

Well you just go on thinking you can throw things at people.

[Are_grits_groceries]

26. Never said that.

Never said there should be no punishment.
I'm out. Argue with yourself.

[Capitalocracy]

20. You have a right to think that, and that's OK by me...

but regardless of how juvenile or stupid or ineffective or counterproductive you might think it is, it still doesn't make sense to sentence a person who threw glitter as if they threw a rock.

[Justice wanted]

10. Just popped into my head: IF we had this happening when Bush was President...I wonder what they

would have called the shoes that where thrown at W?


After all Glitter is a missle and Confetti is a carpet bombing....Just saying...

[jberryhill]

14. The guy who threw the shoe got three years

[Hawkowl]

31. In an Iraqi prison!

Quite a price to pay for an act of civil disobedience. He is a national hero, as he should be.

[jberryhill]

33. You understand that the point of "civil disobedience" is to get arrested, right?

[Hawkowl]

34. Sort of...

The point of civil disobedience is to effect change. The getting arrested is the means to an end.

[Ian David]

11. Romney laughed if off afterward. Obviously, this was a real act of terror. n/t

[Ian David]

12. I think his punishment should be to face a firing squad... of GLITTER! n/t

[Capitalocracy]

21. He and Romney should settle it mano a mano in the Glitterdome.

Two men enter, one man leaves! And then the other man leaves. Covered in glitter.

[gratuitous]

30. Next time use a real missile fired from a UAV

They'll pin a medal on your chest for that. Just be sure to say afterwards that the decedent was some kind of "militant" or "terrorist," which is as good as "He's comin' right at us!" for conferring legal immunity.

[Jon Ace]

35. "If a commoner called the cops on me for throwing glitter at them, the pigs would laugh

and probably not even show up.

But if you throw glitter at Mr. $200 Million, well, that's just terrorism."


- sickpharaoh, reddit.com