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OK tornado survivor finds her missing dog alive while talking to a reporter: (Original Post) Are_grits_groceries May 2013 OP
Oh! This is so good. OKNancy May 2013 #1
I just wish she had not had to ASK for someone to help her with her dog. SoCalDem May 2013 #2
Yeah, WTF? dorkzilla May 2013 #8
Sad behaviour from the lady who had to be asked to help. wake.up.america May 2013 #9
You mean the member of the media who found the dog? Hissyspit May 2013 #18
Cause the media never, ever, not at all ever helps. nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #20
Riiiiight... dorkzilla May 2013 #28
Perhaps we watched a different piece of video nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #29
AFTER the poor old lady struggled and ASKED them to. Watch again. n/t dorkzilla May 2013 #30
As I wrote, we watched a different video nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #31
AMEN TO HATING THE MEDIA....Couldn't get more proof than that, onecent May 2013 #33
How much time have you spent in a tornado debris field? TrogL May 2013 #49
Reporters should cover the story, not become part of it. baldguy May 2013 #13
I started a separate thread on that before I found this one TrogL May 2013 #48
Some joy amongst such devastation leftynyc May 2013 #3
A moment of happiness! mnhtnbb May 2013 #4
A sign. kentuck May 2013 #5
Nice malaise May 2013 #6
Thanks for sharing a little bit of sunshine in such a sad situation 66 dmhlt May 2013 #7
So sweet... Phentex May 2013 #10
Kick! Heidi May 2013 #11
That Delphinus May 2013 #12
The poor little thing was probably scared to death. baldguy May 2013 #14
One good thing! Please let there be more. Greybnk48 May 2013 #15
"I know exactly what happened here..." ScreamingMeemie May 2013 #16
Did that reporter realize eissa May 2013 #24
Seriously. What a stupid question that was. Good lord YES I know EXACTLY what happened here uppityperson May 2013 #46
Isn't you love it when the vapid "reporter" vanlassie May 2013 #17
Fantastic! Kingofalldems May 2013 #19
This made KC May 2013 #21
I just hope she and shnauzer are ok nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #22
That worthless POS reporter and her team had to be asked to help get the dog out. DesMoinesDem May 2013 #23
Someone who wants to be careful not to dislodge the debris and kill the dog. TrogL May 2013 #50
What a miracle! lovuian May 2013 #25
This made me cry! bigwillq May 2013 #26
Schnauzers -- tough as nails! Animal Chin May 2013 #27
that is sooo awesome Thank you for posting this. onecent May 2013 #32
Thank you for this story! mc51tc May 2013 #34
Rethink building design caldararo May 2013 #35
All available technology should be used when rebuilding. Are_grits_groceries May 2013 #36
Thank you for your comments IrishAyes May 2013 #37
Welcome to DU, Caldararo! Tanuki May 2013 #43
Welcome to DU my friend! hrmjustin May 2013 #44
Amidst all this tragedy IrishAyes May 2013 #38
Kevin Carter, and that's not what happened REP May 2013 #39
Well, thank you sincerely IrishAyes May 2013 #47
Wish I could rec this about a hundred times Liberal In Texas May 2013 #40
Same here! pacalo May 2013 #41
Done! Liberal In Texas May 2013 #45
What a great story. K&R npk May 2013 #42
Dog must have been watching tv on his mobile device and saw her. Buzz Clik May 2013 #51
How cool! nt clarice May 2013 #52

SoCalDem

(103,856 posts)
2. I just wish she had not had to ASK for someone to help her with her dog.
Tue May 21, 2013, 05:13 AM
May 2013

It was obvious to me that she was not able to bend down & pick up her poor little poochie..

I am heartened to see that she at least has him,and he , her..

dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)
8. Yeah, WTF?
Tue May 21, 2013, 06:28 AM
May 2013

FFS, you're going to stand by and watch the poor little old lady try and pull debris off her dog? Why, because you'll ruin the shot? I effin hate the media.

wake.up.america

(3,334 posts)
9. Sad behaviour from the lady who had to be asked to help.
Tue May 21, 2013, 06:33 AM
May 2013

Looks as if the dog is in reasonably good shape.

Hissyspit

(45,788 posts)
18. You mean the member of the media who found the dog?
Tue May 21, 2013, 11:13 AM
May 2013

Which you know about by watching the video they took?

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
20. Cause the media never, ever, not at all ever helps.
Tue May 21, 2013, 11:23 AM
May 2013

You are right.



Let me join you



You know one thing I carry in the jeep? Plush toys, you know why? Kids.

You know what else I carry? Water... You have no idea how many bottles I have given away.

It's not about me...I have seen many other local reporters do this as well.

Oh and the unhelpful media helped her get the dog out, after finding the dog

dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)
28. Riiiiight...
Tue May 21, 2013, 12:20 PM
May 2013

So having done one good deed, it would have been silly of them to help a FRAIL AND DEVASTATED OLD WOMEN lift some debris off the unfortunate animal.

Stupid me, thinking that people should help others whenever they can.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
31. As I wrote, we watched a different video
Tue May 21, 2013, 12:30 PM
May 2013

Thanks.

I am glad she found the pooch, and that the media helped her.

Let me correct this further, I am glad reporter found the dog.

Her questions...not so much

TrogL

(32,818 posts)
49. How much time have you spent in a tornado debris field?
Thu May 23, 2013, 01:17 PM
May 2013

Everything is unstable as all hell. When the lady looked like she needed help, the news lady gingerly stepped over to help and between the two of them got the dog out. More people would have threatened the situation.

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
13. Reporters should cover the story, not become part of it.
Tue May 21, 2013, 08:17 AM
May 2013

If only the reporters in Washington had the same objectivity.

TrogL

(32,818 posts)
48. I started a separate thread on that before I found this one
Thu May 23, 2013, 01:12 PM
May 2013
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017120465

In a nutshell...


-the news lady is the one who spotted the dog
-the news lady helped lift the debris
-the cameraman was likely tangled up in his camera
-given the amount of debris, I'd be afraid of it shifting and hurting the dog if more people started trampling through there

Where is the problem?
 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
3. Some joy amongst such devastation
Tue May 21, 2013, 05:15 AM
May 2013

The tears just keep streaming. My heart goes out to all the people effected by this (and all the non-human friends as well).

Greybnk48

(10,161 posts)
15. One good thing! Please let there be more.
Tue May 21, 2013, 08:42 AM
May 2013

I am almost holding my breath hoping that they find some kids still alive in that school.

eissa

(4,238 posts)
24. Did that reporter realize
Tue May 21, 2013, 11:51 AM
May 2013

how condescending her question sounded? Loved the woman's response -- of course she knows what happened!

I got a little teary when she found her dog

uppityperson

(115,677 posts)
46. Seriously. What a stupid question that was. Good lord YES I know EXACTLY what happened here
Tue May 21, 2013, 09:11 PM
May 2013

my house, neighborhood, city has been devastated. Or "gee, no, what did happen?"

vanlassie

(5,660 posts)
17. Isn't you love it when the vapid "reporter"
Tue May 21, 2013, 09:00 AM
May 2013

asked "are you able to comprehend what happened here?" and that tough old bird replied "I know exactly what happened here. EXACTLY." A lady who doesn't suffer fools lightly. Loved that.

 

DesMoinesDem

(1,569 posts)
23. That worthless POS reporter and her team had to be asked to help get the dog out.
Tue May 21, 2013, 11:48 AM
May 2013

Who wouldn't immediately try to uncover a dog trapped under debris? These idiots, who would rather watch a weak old lady try to do it by herself. Thank you, Anna Werner, not only for filming this dog rescue, but for exposing yourself as an inconsiderate asshole.

TrogL

(32,818 posts)
50. Someone who wants to be careful not to dislodge the debris and kill the dog.
Thu May 23, 2013, 01:19 PM
May 2013

Spent much time in a tornado debris field?

Animal Chin

(175 posts)
27. Schnauzers -- tough as nails!
Tue May 21, 2013, 12:09 PM
May 2013

Kidney disease often takes these dogs younger than most, but other than that they are tough and fiercely loyal little animals. I wouldn't have any other kind of dog.

onecent

(6,096 posts)
32. that is sooo awesome Thank you for posting this.
Tue May 21, 2013, 12:31 PM
May 2013

Bless this lady and her little doggy and everyone in Oklahoma today.

mc51tc

(219 posts)
34. Thank you for this story!
Tue May 21, 2013, 12:56 PM
May 2013

What a wonderful surprise for this lady. The dog was probably in shock and could not cry for help. Many others may be alive waiting to be rescued. Amazing to the see the little dog with no major injuries. So many horses did not fair as well

caldararo

(1 post)
35. Rethink building design
Tue May 21, 2013, 01:18 PM
May 2013

It should be obvious to people that we need to rethink building design in areas where tornadoes are common. The sheer magnitude of the destruction argues for a comprehensive approach to building codes, especially for school buildings. Native Americans who lived in these areas, namely the Mound Builders, apparently learned the basics in this regard. In Louis Henry Morgan's Houses and House Life of the American Aborigines, published in 1881, Morgan describes the design of houses,materials and placement on the landscape. All these elements need to be reconsidered today in areas where tornadoes are common.
Mound builders may have placed their buildings in the lay of the land and in directions seldom at variance with the direction of tornadoes. Though data on the history of tornadoes varies by location, in some areas it shows that they follow the same path and time of year, see Thomas Spencer, The Birmingham News, May 22nd, 2010. Information on Moundbuilder homes is scarce but the mounds in general show contours in line with the topography. Their layout appears a graceful set of curves, many of the buildings that are known or reported were made with ramps and set into the ground with pits. This may be a future research area for rebuilding areas where tornadoes are common today. Some mound sites can be seen in Jennings, Prehistory of North America, 1968, or on many websites. The only actual images of how the Moundbuilders built homes is from a few surviving copies of now lost watercolors by French explorer Jacques Le Moyne who visited a Moundbuilder site in the 1560s.

Are_grits_groceries

(17,111 posts)
36. All available technology should be used when rebuilding.
Tue May 21, 2013, 01:45 PM
May 2013

It will help when some tornados strike.

However, if you are in the path of an F5 or even F4, I don't believe you can build anything that will withstand it.

The geology of parts the area makes it hard to buid underground. Safe rooms do help, but even they can't withstand the extreme storms.

The people working on design to withstand these storms should be asked to present their conclusions. Everything should be considered by those who are from the area and those who understand construction. One without the other will be much less effective.

Thinking out of the box should be encouraged. I don't mean that every new idea be implemented immediately. However, they should be considered. Sme are useless, some are ready to use, and some will have to be modified.

Using this method can add to safety and to general knowledge useful to all.

IrishAyes

(6,151 posts)
37. Thank you for your comments
Tue May 21, 2013, 04:33 PM
May 2013

You've given me a good line of research to check out. For a long time I've looked at alternate housing in case I ever have to rebuild, and I did find a dome design that's supposed to be very quake and tornado resistant. It seems to have much in common with the mound sites. The dome has a skirt that slopes to ground level. If located strategically, it would be a lot safer. As is, I have to keep hoping that if my present house has lasted a hundred years already, maybe it will continue safe and sound at least as long as I need it. I did put on a heavy duty metal roof with hurricane straps.

Tanuki

(14,910 posts)
43. Welcome to DU, Caldararo!
Tue May 21, 2013, 08:00 PM
May 2013

Very interesting post. As a side note, are you familiar with the Serpent Mound in Ohio?

http://www.arcofappalachia.org/visit/serpent-mound.html

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<<<..."Who built Serpent Mound?

Early excavations of portions of the Serpent Mound revealed no artifacts to help identify which Native American culture constructed this immense earthwork. It is possible that several different cultures used the site in succession over time, regardless of the identity of the original builders. Three conical burial mounds are associated with the site. Two of them belong to the Adena Culture (800 BC-100 AD), and one to the Fort Ancient Culture (1000-1650 AD). A nearby village site evidences occupation by both the Adena and the later Fort Ancient Cultures.

The most recent evidence for the authorship of Serpent Mound came in 1991, when a small excavation site from the late 1800's was carefully reopened for new examination. Pieces of charcoal recovered at that time were radio carbon dated to a little more than 900 years ago, which would seem to indicate the much later Fort Ancient Culture. The builders left no written records, so investigation and speculation continues on in both archaeological and less formal circles - attempting to explain the Serpent's mysterious origins.


What is purpose of the Serpent Mound?

The original purpose of the Serpent Mound remains a mystery - no record of explanation other than the earthwork itself has been discovered, and the historic oral traditions that might have connected us to the distant past were interrupted or discounted. However, there are many theories as to what the earthwork could have been intended for. Striking astronomical correlations suggest a sacred or practical calendar, and an earthly acknowledgment of cosmic celestial events. The nearby burial mounds (though the Serpent Mound itself does not contain any human burials), and the timelessly moving quality of the serpent's coils suggest it was once a site of sacred worship. Some people conjecture the serpent's form mirrors constellations found in the sky above. ">>>








IrishAyes

(6,151 posts)
38. Amidst all this tragedy
Tue May 21, 2013, 04:48 PM
May 2013

I'm grateful for those who survived.

As to the video, yes people do sometimes ask the dumbest questions. They'll ask "Are you hurt?" when you crash and burn right in front of them. I'm sure they really mean, are you seriously hurt. Although it makes me want to yell back, "No! I broke my neck just to impress you!" So I have a lot of sympathy for the dog's 'owner' but maybe a smidgen left over for the reporter. Maybe.

Regardless, it reminds me of a pertinent story about a Pulitzer-winning photojournalist covering a famine somewhere like Somalia a few years ago. Out in the desert he came across a lost or abandoned little girl who'd collapsed, but he also noticed a buzzard cautiously approaching. He knew a photo op when he saw one. So he waited until the buzzard hovered beside the child and then spread its wings, and that's when he snapped the picture. Before tending to the victim.

That picture is often included in reviews, but the photojournalist was so haunted by the entire situation and the fact that he had delayed even moments before rescuing the little girl that he later blew his own brains out.

Terribly sorry I don't remember his name. But I'll never forget the story. Or the picture.

REP

(21,691 posts)
39. Kevin Carter, and that's not what happened
Tue May 21, 2013, 06:26 PM
May 2013
Prize-winning photograph in Sudan


Carter's Pulitzer Prize-winning photograph
In March 1993, while on a trip to Sudan, Carter was preparing to photograph a starving toddler trying to reach a feeding center when a hooded vulture landed nearby. Carter reported taking the picture, because it was his "job title", and leaving.[5]

Sold to the New York Times, the photograph first appeared on 26 March 1993 and was carried in many other newspapers around the world. Hundreds of people contacted the Times to ask the fate of the boy. The paper reported that it was unknown whether he had managed to reach the feeding center. In 1994, the photograph won the Pulitzer Prize for Feature Photography.[5]

Alternative account of the photograph

João Silva, a Portuguese photojournalist based in South Africa who accompanied Carter to Sudan, gave a different version of events in an interview with Japanese journalist and writer Akio Fujiwara that was published in Fujiwara's book The Boy who Became a Postcard (絵葉書にされた少年 - Ehagaki ni sareta shōnen).[6]

According to Silva, Carter and Silva travelled to Sudan with the United Nations aboard Operation Lifeline Sudan and landed in Southern Sudan on 11 March 1993. The UN told them that they would take off again in 30 minutes (the time necessary to distribute food), so they ran around looking to take shots. The UN started to distribute corn and the women of the village came out of their wooden huts to meet the plane. Silva went looking for guerrilla fighters, while Carter strayed no more than a few dozen feet from the plane.

Again according to Silva, Carter was quite shocked as it was the first time that he had seen a famine situation and so he took many shots of the children suffering from famine. Silva also started to take photos of children on the ground as if crying, which were not published. The parents of the children were busy taking food from the plane, so they had left their children only briefly while they collected the food. This was the situation for the boy in the photo taken by Carter. A vulture landed behind the boy.. To get the two in focus, Carter approached the scene very slowly so as not to scare the vulture away and took a photo from approximately 10 metres. He took a few more photos before chasing the bird away.

Two Spanish photographers who were in the same area at that time, José María Luis Arenzana and Luis Davilla, without knowing the photograph of Kevin Carter, took a picture in a similar situation. As recounted on several occasions, it was a feeding center, and the vultures came from a manure pit waste:

"We took him and Pepe Arenzana to Ayod, where most of the time were in a feeding center where locals go. At one end of the enclosure, was a dump where waste and was pulling people to defecate. As these children are so weak and malnourished they are going ahead giving the impression that they are dead. As part of the fauna there are vultures that go for these remains. So if you grab a telephoto crush the child's perspective in the foreground and background and it seems that the vultures will eat it, but that's an absolute hoax, perhaps the animal is 20 meters."


His suicide note said he was depressed over not having money for his debts and the things he'd seen as a photojournalist.

IrishAyes

(6,151 posts)
47. Well, thank you sincerely
Thu May 23, 2013, 01:09 PM
May 2013


For a much better and more complete version than that which was passed to me.

Even with the corrected details, I still sympathize with the suffering. Some people think the life of a globe-trotting photojournalist is so glamorous, but it seems to carry a high price for many.

pacalo

(24,721 posts)
41. Same here!
Tue May 21, 2013, 07:40 PM
May 2013

HarveyDarkey's post was the first one I'd seen on this story; you might want to give this a recommend, too! I just wanted to hug that sweet woman!

On edit, here's the link: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022880728


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