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Notafraidtoo

(402 posts)
Tue May 21, 2013, 05:51 PM May 2013

Woman on CNN tells Wolf " um i am actually a Atheist"

Wolf kept going on and on about how blessed she was and did she pray etc and being forced to respond to his religious questions she bravely on national TV and in Oklahoma told the world she was a atheist instead of just nodding her head in agreement to make him go away.

Things are already bad for this woman i really hope her bravery in being honest will not be punished by Christan's in name only.

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Woman on CNN tells Wolf " um i am actually a Atheist" (Original Post) Notafraidtoo May 2013 OP
WRONG ANSWER! Quantess May 2013 #1
Seriously? Courtesy Flush May 2013 #2
No. Quantess May 2013 #8
No, The Blunt Skulls 1ProudAtheist May 2013 #83
i think maybe you ought to re-read Quantess' posts.. Phillip McCleod May 2013 #120
Hello? titaniumsalute May 2013 #190
Fail. patrice May 2013 #204
It's okay... Quantess May 2013 #236
... and if 0 had done so, what would it have "meant" then?, but, nevermind, I enjoy voting. nt patrice May 2013 #237
Dang. Unca Jim May 2013 #238
I am shocked to find Obamacare does not Vietnameravet May 2013 #254
I'm sorry you are so full of hatred Capt. Obvious May 2013 #274
you feel sorry for us? Well aren't you the saint! demwing May 2013 #262
It wasn't for me either. robinlynne May 2013 #257
Me thinks it was a joke. texshelters May 2013 #259
Wrong answer? That's right up Blitzer's alley... pinboy3niner May 2013 #5
I laugh like hell whenever I see that. nt msanthrope May 2013 #37
Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah back to my favorite Jeopardy episode of all time malaise May 2013 #99
damn. i thought he got his ass kicked by carrot top...... n/t 8 track mind May 2013 #155
HAHAHA! TY! Rex May 2013 #258
the same guy who reported Obamacare had been overturned by the Supreme Court napkinz May 2013 #268
Heh! demmiblue May 2013 #6
Or she could have said... Major Nikon May 2013 #9
Would would anyone who believed that God and Satan are both imaginary, as are stories about either merrily May 2013 #193
Nonsense! matt819 May 2013 #11
God's way are a mystery! You cannot know the mind of God. Maybe there was a purpose. defacto7 May 2013 #18
Exactly. You get it. Quantess May 2013 #25
I think a great example of the shear silliness is when a 100 yard dasher that wins says rhett o rick May 2013 #57
Or a football player after winning the super bowl... truebrit71 May 2013 #146
It's like God gives a shit about who wins the Stupid Bowl. nm rhett o rick May 2013 #148
Just every single winning team ever, apparently... truebrit71 May 2013 #149
Tim Tebow just got cut by the NY Jets. bvar22 May 2013 #263
The saddest is cancer survivors thanking god for saving them because... Walk away May 2013 #246
My point was that if 10 racers all pray to God to win and only one wins, that means rhett o rick May 2013 #255
Maybe almighty god and her have a thing going on? another_liberal May 2013 #235
The correct answer wryter2000 May 2013 #27
Good reply! LongTomH May 2013 #32
i like that.. frylock May 2013 #86
you have a *CARD*?!?! Phillip McCleod May 2013 #121
You have to complete the Militant Commie Atheist Initiation first pinboy3niner May 2013 #127
oh that? i shoulda read the fine print.. Phillip McCleod May 2013 #131
You have to complete the MCAI, mkay? DetlefK May 2013 #179
When it comes to atheist cards, the real question is, "Who gave it to you?" merrily May 2013 #196
I think I got mine with my ACLU membership. Dollface May 2013 #229
I did! I came with my membership in Solipsism Anonymous! nt Walk away May 2013 #273
Thanks! wryter2000 May 2013 #214
That explains why certain people I know cprise May 2013 #106
All the good stuff is God (And not the people doing it) and the bad stuff is nature Scootaloo May 2013 #177
Yes, our evolutionary biology as primates is very relevant explanation Arugula Latte May 2013 #239
+1 The truth is better than fiction. n/t Laelth May 2013 #245
That is a good answer. Eleanors38 May 2013 #232
Actually, I'm convinced god hates Oklahoma... paleotn May 2013 #38
Welcome to DU, paleotn! calimary May 2013 #58
Well, OK is the home of Fred Phelps. rateyes May 2013 #93
I thought it was Kansas ... Topeka, to be specific Bake May 2013 #115
you are most likely correct...i was thinking Tulsa rather than Topeka. rateyes May 2013 #125
Fred did weigh in on this tornado, tho ANOIS May 2013 #153
And thats a natural disaster all on its own.... daleanime May 2013 #182
I love that one and have the perfect answer. longship May 2013 #72
And if there is such the thing as a false god, then alfredo May 2013 #76
Yepper! nt longship May 2013 #81
I just got off a prayer session with God and He told me the purpose was BlueStreak May 2013 #88
I hate to poop on anyone's party, but you're not totally correct RVN VET May 2013 #43
And therein lies the challenge of disproving things like prayer. Addison May 2013 #52
2005 study says no KurtNYC May 2013 #184
Study shumudy Addison May 2013 #243
not really. that might be *your* experience.. Phillip McCleod May 2013 #266
You are right to a point. SCVDem May 2013 #59
Some people journal. Some people pray. Politicub May 2013 #96
I rub my backside against an oak tree snooper2 May 2013 #197
Especially if there's poison ivy growing up the tree Politicub May 2013 #210
actually the effectiveness of prayer has been studied fairly extensively.. Phillip McCleod May 2013 #124
Pretty much kills heart patients. AtheistCrusader May 2013 #211
TRUE! Brainstormy May 2013 #241
I agree with you... tex-wyo-dem May 2013 #163
That is always my question decrepittex May 2013 #139
Well, and who sent the tornado in the first place? wickerwoman May 2013 #165
I thought Obama sent the tornado. mwb970 May 2013 #186
No, not the tornado, only the cover up. merrily May 2013 #217
But Obama DID orchestrate the Boston bombing, right? /nt mwb970 May 2013 #228
Domestic right-wing Christian terrorists prayed for the destruction AAO May 2013 #215
Right answer! AtheistAngel May 2013 #29
Welcome to DU, AtheistAngel! calimary May 2013 #54
+1 SCVDem May 2013 #62
Welcome to DU my friend! hrmjustin May 2013 #110
well said. nt Demo_Chris May 2013 #123
another +1 from me truegrit44 May 2013 #138
Or, "I guess god was too busy killing the faithful yesterday BlueStreak May 2013 #84
You have an amazing way with words--that last sentence just shook me to my core. nt Stardust May 2013 #166
When you are in shock, you say things you may never intended to say. merrily May 2013 #218
And the religions were among the first to discover this "shock doctrine" BlueStreak May 2013 #240
ROFL! Motown_Johnny May 2013 #109
This message was self-deleted by its author cer7711 May 2013 #160
Really? SMH Mr Dixon May 2013 #203
No. (no text) Quantess May 2013 #224
At least Wolf's follow-up statement wasn't, "so, YOU'RE the cause of this tornado!" stopbush May 2013 #208
Ironically, wouldn't this tornado kinda prove there is no God? Unless it is a vengeful one. JaneyVee May 2013 #3
One would think, but that is using logic Stuckinthebush May 2013 #22
A lot of liberal believers would claim cprise May 2013 #108
Maybe it proves that God created nature and its power. JDPriestly May 2013 #28
Maybe it proves that circular upward rotation of a convectionally created Cumulonimbus cloud Nanjing to Seoul May 2013 #119
No, no, no says baby Ben.... defacto7 May 2013 #144
You probably have a point. But I would call those laws God. JDPriestly May 2013 #171
the force in the universe that is mysterious and not knowable to our meager consciousness. Nanjing to Seoul May 2013 #172
But what first started that natural process is what unites the universe, and that is, in my JDPriestly May 2013 #221
So God is shrinking? jeff47 May 2013 #261
I don't see any conflict between science and the concept of God, of a unifiying force JDPriestly May 2013 #276
I'll trust my easily proven science. You trust your "trust in the invisible man" idea Nanjing to Seoul May 2013 #264
Do convectional currents exist in a vaccuum? JDPriestly May 2013 #275
Nothing exists in a vaccum. What does that prove? Nanjing to Seoul May 2013 #277
STAR WARS! The farce! ChairmanAgnostic May 2013 #231
So, despite your claim to be UU you are an agnostic intaglio May 2013 #178
What makes me a theist? JDPriestly May 2013 #220
That's where I am too. austinlw May 2013 #247
Agreed on most, in fact, probably nearly all of what you say. JDPriestly May 2013 #282
I did not say you were a theist intaglio May 2013 #260
Why does God only make itself apparent to so few people? JDPriestly May 2013 #281
I believe that question has been addressed by the likes of Thomas Aquinas... LanternWaste May 2013 #34
Nicomachean Ethics = Aristotle, perhaps you meant Summa Theologiae? 0rganism May 2013 #60
I like Epicurus' take: Arugula Latte May 2013 #64
Thanks for the recommendations BrotherIvan May 2013 #79
Please, enlighten us skepticscott May 2013 #87
Sincerity? defacto7 May 2013 #150
Gawd. Our media is utterly tragic at this point. Cali_Democrat May 2013 #4
When the admitting person at the hospital asked my religious preference last week GentryDixon May 2013 #7
When I was medevac'd to a stateside Army hospital from Vietnam... pinboy3niner May 2013 #12
As I live in a heavily Mormon state, I was expecting the need GentryDixon May 2013 #13
I still remember the chaplain that came by my room pinboy3niner May 2013 #15
I would guess Half-Century Man May 2013 #117
are you kidding? Kali May 2013 #94
Back then, in boot camp, we had to choose a religion. "None" was not an option. And it went on your Fuddnik May 2013 #75
sounds like a state mandating religion to me tomm2thumbs May 2013 #77
VN War dogtags pinboy3niner May 2013 #145
Before our last deployment giftedgirl77 May 2013 #92
Bwaahaaahaaahaaa! pinboy3niner May 2013 #95
Pastafarian! I *love* it!!! Stardust May 2013 #169
I demanded Atheist be put on my dog tags MattBaggins May 2013 #267
I know someone who would answer every "Religion?" question with: "No thank you." Arugula Latte May 2013 #17
I've had that Tab May 2013 #31
Proceed immediately to the Situation Room Blue Owl May 2013 #10
Should you pass GO? Too close to call. pinboy3niner May 2013 #16
Hahahaha!!! DevonRex May 2013 #21
I just hope we didn't violate some CNN/Blitzer copyright or trademark on that pinboy3niner May 2013 #24
As long as you don't have that Blitzer beard and Eddie Munster comb-back DevonRex May 2013 #46
Rut-roh! pinboy3niner May 2013 #51
ANOTHER CNN FAIL alp227 May 2013 #14
"Why aren't you giving prayers of thanks to the loving invisible omnipotent deity who destroyed Arugula Latte May 2013 #19
Yeah. Wolf should interview the dead ones. Find out what went wrong. randome May 2013 #55
You win. n/t Dawgs May 2013 #188
anybody have the video link? nt jimlup May 2013 #20
Deadspin has it... pokerfan May 2013 #26
Thanks jimlup May 2013 #36
Thanks for posting the video tomm2thumbs May 2013 #61
do you thank the Lord? Enrique May 2013 #114
More evidence, I think, that non-belief is going more and more mainstream. Arugula Latte May 2013 #70
Off topic but that penguin gif cracks me up.... neverforget May 2013 #128
Me, too! I've bookmarked this thread to show my grandson. And I love the surfing gif (can't recall Stardust May 2013 #168
Glad you like! Arugula Latte May 2013 #226
5% of Americans does represent an increase, but I'm not sure if I consider 5% = mainstream. merrily May 2013 #201
Right. Arugula Latte May 2013 #225
I am so fucking sick of hearing that praying shit. cui bono May 2013 #23
Well put, god bless America and we'll win the game! xtraxritical May 2013 #39
What they should be teaching in school SCVDem May 2013 #97
+1 freshwest May 2013 #141
+2 truebrit71 May 2013 #151
He should be embarrassed to ask such questions. surrealAmerican May 2013 #30
so much irony in what he asked -- he just didn't ask a long enough question tomm2thumbs May 2013 #73
Tell them you were spared because you are a loyal follower of Zeus. Spitfire of ATJ May 2013 #33
Dr. Zeus at the very least tomm2thumbs May 2013 #80
I do not like the grey beard ham. Spitfire of ATJ May 2013 #134
Lol! nt Stardust May 2013 #170
Why on earth would he ask that question twice? enlightenment May 2013 #35
exactly.. he may as well been handing her a leaflet and pushing his way into her house tomm2thumbs May 2013 #63
because he's become twice as dumb as he was yesterday. n/t Whisp May 2013 #71
Because he wasn't really listening? WinkyDink May 2013 #199
Gov. Fallin was just asked on CBS news what the people need. avebury May 2013 #40
This Oklahoma prayer thing reminds me of the sick cycle of domestic violence. Arugula Latte May 2013 #42
A governor??? Any elected official who says that should be recalled. n/t cui bono May 2013 #100
I watched that shit on the news yesterday. decrepittex May 2013 #142
Really? Because I don't think the Red Cross can survive on prayers alone. MONEY? Yes. WinkyDink May 2013 #202
it's like assuming everybody is heterosexual. nt boilerbabe May 2013 #41
someone briefed Wolf Enrique May 2013 #44
Those who pretend to know "god's will" scare me more than any god Major Nikon May 2013 #45
Those who claim they talk to God and God has talked to them ... napkinz May 2013 #271
The lord works in mysterious ways Major Nikon May 2013 #272
You do know that Wolf Blitzer is Jewish, don't you? Ter May 2013 #47
Wolf Blitzer is as useless a sack of flesh as there is on TV. marmar May 2013 #48
Well said !! pangaia May 2013 #66
Wait-- so god controls everything but tornadoes? Marr May 2013 #49
That God has got some good spin-doctor PR people, I tell ya. Arugula Latte May 2013 #56
shhhhhh.... you are stating the obvious and we know how that rattles cages tomm2thumbs May 2013 #67
He also can't heal amputees Nevernose May 2013 #107
9/11 - No Athiests on that day HockeyMom May 2013 #50
Oh, jeez. I wouldn't even say that to a fellow church-member. winter is coming May 2013 #53
I'm agnostic Aerows May 2013 #65
An atheist standing in the middle of a huge adieu May 2013 #68
Was watching coverage online from the local OKC TV station MNBrewer May 2013 #69
Thanks! I will do that. I have been donating through the ASPCA for... Walk away May 2013 #248
Atheist group collecting donations for Oklahoma tornado relief. MNBrewer May 2013 #74
I PRAY Wolf gets a clue someday olddots May 2013 #78
Oh good for her amuse bouche May 2013 #82
prayer: the next best thing to doing nothing frylock May 2013 #85
Arguably worse Major Nikon May 2013 #89
Literally the least you can do. arcane1 May 2013 #133
Maybe doing nothing is better. nt Walk away May 2013 #249
Bill Maher should have her on his show this weekend LittleGirl May 2013 #90
I second this. GiaGiovanni May 2013 #132
+1 LittleGirl May 2013 #136
LOL I knew this would end up here. I think she showed great grace. nolabear May 2013 #91
+1 pinboy3niner May 2013 #101
He seemed to be caught trying to pander to cheap emotion. nolabear May 2013 #130
That is exactly what he was doing. She handled herself perfectly. arcane1 May 2013 #135
He sort of laughed nervously, like, Oh shit, this woman is much smarter than I'd assumed. Arugula Latte May 2013 #158
Good for her Politicub May 2013 #98
what was his reaction ? JI7 May 2013 #102
he laughed Enrique May 2013 #113
He laughed ... nervously. Arugula Latte May 2013 #227
Can you imagine if she stated that SCVDem May 2013 #103
unprofessional of Wolf to make surch an assumption Skittles May 2013 #104
She was very polite in handing him his ass REP May 2013 #105
Ho boy. liberalmuse May 2013 #111
Wait ! Cheviteau May 2013 #112
Good for her! I am so sick of the assumption of Christianity. Chemisse May 2013 #116
Kinda like some Redneck asking me, "What are we going to do about the n****r in the white house? decrepittex May 2013 #140
That is really awful! Chemisse May 2013 #181
well, obviously that's what caused the storm. HiPointDem May 2013 #118
Video here! progressoid May 2013 #122
just.. just.. *awesome*! Phillip McCleod May 2013 #129
She knew what was coming and tried to deflect. demmiblue May 2013 #143
She handled it well LeftInTX May 2013 #147
Love this LostOne4Ever May 2013 #154
looks like the baby was making fun of Blitzer JI7 May 2013 #159
Awesome!!!! Cali_Democrat May 2013 #162
Awesome LadyHawkAZ May 2013 #167
seems like a cool lady and child fishwax May 2013 #173
Just imagine if she said ... "Praise be to Allah". JoePhilly May 2013 #126
Fuck god. Apophis May 2013 #137
Or maybe they did... defacto7 May 2013 #152
Well, maybe The Deity was busy determining the outcomes of sporting events and grammy nominations. Arugula Latte May 2013 #157
Poor Wolf Blitzer! guess he's still trying to fit in as a Journalist in-da-know... FrenchieCat May 2013 #156
actually i wonder if he would have asked someone from New York, Jersey etc the same thing JI7 May 2013 #161
I was insulted that Wolf put the religious question to her... ReRe May 2013 #164
Did she thank god for sending the tornado her way? Jasana May 2013 #174
What's up with all the religion-bashing on this thread? Jamaal510 May 2013 #175
It is equally foolish of you to equate "God" and "prayer" with Christianity. WinkyDink May 2013 #200
Try...just try wearing a shirt that says Athesist...for ONE day. alphafemale May 2013 #278
Saw video of this exchange and there was only one thing missing at the end... Astazia May 2013 #176
And the folk here gave thanks Anymouse May 2013 #180
+1 and welcome to DU. n/t Laelth May 2013 #253
like I said to someone on facebook yesterdaty SemperEadem May 2013 #183
I always liked the one... riqster May 2013 #185
There was a time I would not say I was an atheist because CBGLuthier May 2013 #187
What the fuck has this woman done to you Mariana May 2013 #191
I don't. I do think some of those posting in this thread are. CBGLuthier May 2013 #192
I've read your last two posts; they will suffice as examples. WinkyDink May 2013 #205
ROFLMFAO snooper2 May 2013 #198
As an atheist just let me say "thank you". Jokerman May 2013 #250
Then i suggest you join the "Church"! No bigotry there! nt Walk away May 2013 #251
I don't get it. If she is an atheist, who in the hell saved her???? NCTraveler May 2013 #189
Most Christians I know will tell you AtheistCrusader May 2013 #213
Prayer isn't going to rebuild that town. Dash87 May 2013 #194
Before Bush, I thought I could almost see TV personalities trying to steer people away from merrily May 2013 #195
KICK! for a very constructive perspective on an increasingly divisive issue. patrice May 2013 #207
Thank you. I appreciate it. But, I wasn't trying to be evenhanded, just merrily May 2013 #209
Tebowing in the media, or encouraging Tebowing n/t Fumesucker May 2013 #216
I hate how they treat people in these situations, anyway. merrily May 2013 #219
All they want is dirty laundry Fumesucker May 2013 #222
Good one! merrily May 2013 #223
So the tornado is her fault. Ian_rd May 2013 #206
I never understood why I would THANK something, but I wouldnt BLAME it for sending a tornado... CarrieLynne May 2013 #212
George Carlin Knocks It Out Of The Park!!!! napkinz May 2013 #230
He was the best. Arugula Latte May 2013 #233
I loved how she didn't throw the mike at him and storm off in a huff. Nye Bevan May 2013 #234
Awesome! Roland99 May 2013 #242
k&r for the truth and for COURAGE. n/t Laelth May 2013 #244
Why do we assume that Christians who do not agree with us on... Deep13 May 2013 #252
Good for her. Warren DeMontague May 2013 #256
Wolf Blitzer was God-baiting her. What an idiot he is. Meanwhile, she is smarter than Coyotl May 2013 #265
CNN's such a shame on America stuntcat May 2013 #269
Can people just be areligious? Puzzledtraveller May 2013 #270
That's pretty much the case in nations where reporters don't bug people about how they prayed Fumesucker May 2013 #279
Despite Newest Reality May 2013 #280

Quantess

(27,630 posts)
1. WRONG ANSWER!
Tue May 21, 2013, 05:55 PM
May 2013

She should have said, "I am an atheist, but I am grateful to the Christians in my life. Obviously somebody prayed for me, since I'm still alive!"




Quantess

(27,630 posts)
8. No.
Tue May 21, 2013, 06:03 PM
May 2013

But that is what a true believer would say upon hearing her reaction... that obviously the Christians in her life had prayed for her, otherwise she wouldn't have been spared.

I thought the crazy-eyes-smilie was enough of a hint.

 

1ProudAtheist

(346 posts)
83. No, The Blunt Skulls
Tue May 21, 2013, 07:34 PM
May 2013

Had nothing to do with any of this. Science is the art of separating myth from fact, and faith is the art of ignoring fact to promote myth.

We atheists do know the difference between a random occurrence and the act of some make believe spook in the sky.

We atheists do really feel sad for the likes of you, who meander through life searching for the answer to questions that science so readily reveals.

Unca Jim

(556 posts)
238. Dang.
Wed May 22, 2013, 01:03 PM
May 2013

I get you didn't see the sarcasm, but "blunt heads"?

As for feeling sad, I feel sad for anyone so full of hatred. Ironically I agree with you far more metaphysically than I would with someone who would say the original without sarcasm.

I am glad most people are reasonable and understanding.

 

Vietnameravet

(1,085 posts)
254. I am shocked to find Obamacare does not
Wed May 22, 2013, 02:52 PM
May 2013

cover exorcism, blood letting or treating with leaches..or psychic surgery!!

napkinz

(17,199 posts)
268. the same guy who reported Obamacare had been overturned by the Supreme Court
Thu May 23, 2013, 12:44 PM
May 2013

Wolf belongs on FOX, where facts and the truth don't matter!










Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
9. Or she could have said...
Tue May 21, 2013, 06:03 PM
May 2013

The god of the bible killed over 2 million. The devil killed less than a dozen. Seems to make more sense to pray to the devil.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
193. Would would anyone who believed that God and Satan are both imaginary, as are stories about either
Wed May 22, 2013, 09:26 AM
May 2013

of them killing people, and prayer to imaginary beins makes no sense at all, ever want to say something like that?



matt819

(10,749 posts)
11. Nonsense!
Tue May 21, 2013, 06:08 PM
May 2013

The idiocy of attributing survival to prayer is astounding. So did God not answer someone else's prayers by allowing them to die and by destroying their homes?

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
18. God's way are a mystery! You cannot know the mind of God. Maybe there was a purpose.
Tue May 21, 2013, 06:19 PM
May 2013
Extreme

but I'm not laughing. This is the usual answer.

Quantess

(27,630 posts)
25. Exactly. You get it.
Tue May 21, 2013, 06:27 PM
May 2013

Maybe God spared her life because He knew she would soon change her ways and turn to Jesus!
Or, more likely, God answered the prayers of her Christian relatives who had not given up on their family heathen. She had better be thankful for everybody who sent prayers!


I better add the /sarcasm] tag so people don't think I'm serious.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
57. I think a great example of the shear silliness is when a 100 yard dasher that wins says
Tue May 21, 2013, 06:57 PM
May 2013

that God answered his prayer to win. What about the other racers? Did they pray to get second and third, etc.?

 

truebrit71

(20,805 posts)
146. Or a football player after winning the super bowl...
Tue May 21, 2013, 11:24 PM
May 2013

...makes him sound like a fair-weather fan to me..

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
263. Tim Tebow just got cut by the NY Jets.
Wed May 22, 2013, 06:28 PM
May 2013

So much for Praying in Public.
Praying is one behavior that should remain In-the-Closet.

Walk away

(9,494 posts)
246. The saddest is cancer survivors thanking god for saving them because...
Wed May 22, 2013, 01:58 PM
May 2013

obviously anyone who dies of cancer is at fault for not praying enough.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
255. My point was that if 10 racers all pray to God to win and only one wins, that means
Wed May 22, 2013, 03:13 PM
May 2013

God is batting 10%.

 

another_liberal

(8,821 posts)
235. Maybe almighty god and her have a thing going on?
Wed May 22, 2013, 12:21 PM
May 2013

He could be coming to her in the night as a giant, lusty gander? It could be, makes at least as much sense as the Virgin Birth or the Resurrection.

wryter2000

(46,032 posts)
27. The correct answer
Tue May 21, 2013, 06:33 PM
May 2013

Came in response to the tsunami in SE Asia (from an Episcopal priest). Paraphrased:

The disaster was caused by natural forces. The Spirit of God can be seen in all the people who are rushing to help.

I'm agnostic, btw.

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
127. You have to complete the Militant Commie Atheist Initiation first
Tue May 21, 2013, 09:13 PM
May 2013

You didn't get the new members factsheet?

 

Phillip McCleod

(1,837 posts)
131. oh that? i shoulda read the fine print..
Tue May 21, 2013, 09:26 PM
May 2013

..gotta been more than 20 years lost by now.

i'll just have to reapply to central command via my local atheist's union #666 and sacrifice the requisite infant.

cprise

(8,445 posts)
106. That explains why certain people I know
Tue May 21, 2013, 08:22 PM
May 2013

will make it a point to thank Jesus (and not me) whenever a non-believer does something good for them. In their minds--twisted by a particular strain of evangelical ideology--doing so is one of the best ways to show the world that God showers the right kind of believers with good fortune.

Its a nasty, anti-social ritual though.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
177. All the good stuff is God (And not the people doing it) and the bad stuff is nature
Wed May 22, 2013, 03:38 AM
May 2013

Sorry if I sound cynical, but that priest is just doing some Jack Handey deep thoughts shit. It's a formula; "Blah blah god, blah blah nice thing, blah blah, I made a profound!"

The correct answer is that nature is dangerous but people are helping the other people who got hurt.

God, if it exists, is probably vastly more concerned with making sure universal mathematical constants remain, well, constant, since even a slight variation would reduce the entire universe into a cloud of highly agitated hypothetical particles. Omniscience probably gives you a vastly larger scale where the minute interactions of one particular variety of tailless primate on a single world amid the billions of galaxies prbably matter even less than an ant fart matters to you or I.

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
239. Yes, our evolutionary biology as primates is very relevant explanation
Wed May 22, 2013, 01:34 PM
May 2013

for our urge to help each other. We evolved to live in cohesive groups and to cooperate to help ensure survival.

Science is beautiful and profound.

paleotn

(17,911 posts)
38. Actually, I'm convinced god hates Oklahoma...
Tue May 21, 2013, 06:46 PM
May 2013

and he's not too fond of Texas either. Record droughts. Tornados. What's next? Maybe gods not a right wing nutter after all. Seriously, when was the last time Vermont was pounded by multiple natural calamities like the southern plains?

calimary

(81,198 posts)
58. Welcome to DU, paleotn!
Tue May 21, 2013, 06:58 PM
May 2013

Good to have you with us! Sometimes it's just random shit. But I must admit, I do find my mind wandering in that direction sometimes.

Bake

(21,977 posts)
115. I thought it was Kansas ... Topeka, to be specific
Tue May 21, 2013, 08:46 PM
May 2013

OK has its share of whackos, though. Was Phelps originally from OK?

Bake

longship

(40,416 posts)
72. I love that one and have the perfect answer.
Tue May 21, 2013, 07:11 PM
May 2013
Fine! You can't know God because it's such a mystery? Why don't you just call yourself an agnostic and get it over with?

Of course, they'll never do that because in their own minds they know exactly what God thinks. It just so happens to be whatever the specific person who professes belief in God thinks. Amazing coincidence, eh?

If there are four billion god believers on the planet, there are four billion different gods.

alfredo

(60,071 posts)
76. And if there is such the thing as a false god, then
Tue May 21, 2013, 07:20 PM
May 2013

how can you be sure if your personal god is a real god?

 

BlueStreak

(8,377 posts)
88. I just got off a prayer session with God and He told me the purpose was
Tue May 21, 2013, 07:41 PM
May 2013

to try to get the Christian fundies to take His planet seriously and stop making choices that ruin His greatest work.

But he also shared with me that he wasn't holding out a lot of hope His message would get through because "Some of these f###### are as stupid as me-damm rocks." (His words, not mine.)

RVN VET

(492 posts)
43. I hate to poop on anyone's party, but you're not totally correct
Tue May 21, 2013, 06:49 PM
May 2013

Prayer can help get believers through some seriously hard times. It can't fix a broken leg, but it can calm a person down and help relieve anxiety and stifle fear. And it can calm a person down enough to enable that person to survive semi-burial after a tornado crushes the building he/she is in. Belief, strange as it sounds, can help some people actually be "healed" by charlatan faith healers, too. It's all due, of course, to the power and mystery of the human mind. If anything like a "god" were involved, the dead would come back to life, the disfigured made whole, etc., etc. But still . . .

(I take back the "anyone's" in my title above. There's one party -- or Party -- I'd love to poop on; and I'd like to start with both Senators from Oklahoma.)

Addison

(299 posts)
52. And therein lies the challenge of disproving things like prayer.
Tue May 21, 2013, 06:55 PM
May 2013

Because to some extent, they "work."

The confusion lies in attributing the wrong cause to the effect.

KurtNYC

(14,549 posts)
184. 2005 study says no
Wed May 22, 2013, 07:35 AM
May 2013

CLIP: those given music, imagery and touch therapy had less emotional distress and had a lower death rate after six months, though this was not seen as statistically significant.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/4681771.stm

Addison

(299 posts)
243. Study shumudy
Wed May 22, 2013, 01:47 PM
May 2013

Anyone can easily discover that a few minutes of prayer leaves them feeling calmer. The religious person attributes the calm to God, though the real reasons are otherwise.

 

Phillip McCleod

(1,837 posts)
266. not really. that might be *your* experience..
Wed May 22, 2013, 08:58 PM
May 2013

..but many others pray for redemption for their perceived sins. many children are tortured by fear of an evil god, satan, hell.. and the same can last a lifetime.

good for you that you can pray so blithely. perhaps you just don't believe strongly enough.

 

SCVDem

(5,103 posts)
59. You are right to a point.
Tue May 21, 2013, 07:03 PM
May 2013

Keep your religion personal and to yourself!

I am fed up with hearing about religion on a daily basis.

This was not even a disaster of biblical proportions because all that made up stuff was not witnessed by anyone alive to verify it.

We also are not one nation under god either since there is no state mandated belief nor should their be. That was cold war bullshit!

Politicub

(12,165 posts)
96. Some people journal. Some people pray.
Tue May 21, 2013, 08:12 PM
May 2013

Some people send positive vibes.

You gotta do what works for you.

 

Phillip McCleod

(1,837 posts)
124. actually the effectiveness of prayer has been studied fairly extensively..
Tue May 21, 2013, 09:06 PM
May 2013

..the STEP study always jumps to mind..

turns out there is no effectiveness of intercessionary prayer. either it has zero effect, or a slightly negative one.

prayer-as-meditation has only the effectiveness of meditation.

Brainstormy

(2,380 posts)
241. TRUE!
Wed May 22, 2013, 01:41 PM
May 2013

The science on prayer so far suggests you fare slightly better if no one is praying for you. But what gets me is that believers completely ignore the lack of evidence emanating from places like Lourdes, where millions have prayed for hundreds of years with underwhelming success.

tex-wyo-dem

(3,190 posts)
163. I agree with you...
Wed May 22, 2013, 12:36 AM
May 2013

Prayer and other spiritual practices actually do have a positive effect on many believers. It has everything to do with manipulating the mind and nothing to do with any supernatual external being showering graces upon the believer. If such practices bring peace and comfort to those who pray or whatever, then it's all good IMO. It's when people fail to recognize the line between myth and reason and want to press their faith on others, or even worse, public policy, is where I start to have a problem.

decrepittex

(53 posts)
139. That is always my question
Tue May 21, 2013, 10:06 PM
May 2013

When people go on and on about their prayer being answered. How does that make their neighbor feel who just lost their child? Did they not pray just as sincerely? Did God give them the ole' middle-finger salute? Why can't they just STFU and be thankful for their good fortune. Please don't get me started on athletes who want to thank God for their win at some silly game, like God picked the winner.

wickerwoman

(5,662 posts)
165. Well, and who sent the tornado in the first place?
Wed May 22, 2013, 12:50 AM
May 2013

Either God didn't know about it, and hence isn't omniscient, or God couldn't do anything about it, and hence isn't omnipotent, or God knew about it, could stop it and chose not to and hence isn't benevolent.

mwb970

(11,358 posts)
186. I thought Obama sent the tornado.
Wed May 22, 2013, 08:02 AM
May 2013

Some right-wing radio blowhard was talking about how Obama could have created a line of tornados and sent them to Oklahoma to attack conservatives. (I am not making this up.)

They say WE worship Obama like a god, then they say he controls the weather. Kind of like the way he's a weak-kneed wuss who has "lost control of the government" but is also an all-powerful, ruthless dictator.

They know they hate him, they just can't say why.

 

AAO

(3,300 posts)
215. Domestic right-wing Christian terrorists prayed for the destruction
Wed May 22, 2013, 11:00 AM
May 2013

What else could explain God doing this inspite of all the prayers against it? It must be someone really "tight" with the magic man in the sky.

AtheistAngel

(1 post)
29. Right answer!
Tue May 21, 2013, 06:33 PM
May 2013

You have lost your mind. Do you think the kids who died had nobody praying for them? Do you think the homeowners weren't praying? I'm proud of her for having the spine to stand up to the religious bullying and rhetoric that everyone assumes is ok and that everyone has that view.

calimary

(81,198 posts)
54. Welcome to DU, AtheistAngel!
Tue May 21, 2013, 06:56 PM
May 2013

Glad you're here! Lapsed Catholic here. I respect your view and your viewpoint. I get to feeling really uncomfortable when religion is pushed on everything and everyone. Who's to say, REALLY, about what the true path is? I know I believe in one particular path. But that doesn't work or make sense to everyone.

 

BlueStreak

(8,377 posts)
84. Or, "I guess god was too busy killing the faithful yesterday
Tue May 21, 2013, 07:37 PM
May 2013

to get around to dealing with me."

But actually, what she said was just perfect. I am not sure I have ever heard that in such a circumstance. Indeed, most atheists really do show an enormous amount of deference to the prayer-based folks in times of great tragedy. This was an opportunity to put it back on the questioner without hurting any of the people who are still praying to the god that evidently just killed their children.

 

BlueStreak

(8,377 posts)
240. And the religions were among the first to discover this "shock doctrine"
Wed May 22, 2013, 01:40 PM
May 2013

They have everybody brainwashed to babble their nonsense whenever they can't come up with something intelligent (or compassionate) to say. Sometimes there are no answers other than "How very sad and tragic this is. The survivors will have to move on without their loved ones."

But instead, the religions train their flock to say "The victims are in a better place." Well, actually no. They are dead. "Dead" is not a better place, but it happens to us all eventually. It isn't "if", it is only "how" and "when".

Denial is the choice that religious people make, and if that gets them through their time of grief, I have to live with that. But I don't have to live with them brainwashing our children in the schools and putting their nonsense on the media 24x7.

What we should be talking about is not why god killed some of his best supporters in Oklahoma. We should be talking about how we can get these confused people to stop voting for people who would deny emergency relief funds to others in their time of crisis, and those who work aggressively against all efforts to try to limit the progress of climate change. How come all these people who have a "personal connection with the lord" never seem to hear those messages when they talk with their lord?

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
109. ROFL!
Tue May 21, 2013, 08:33 PM
May 2013

So I suppose the 9 dead children didn't have anyone praying for them?

She gave the right answer but she could have gone further and told Wolf that she doesn't buy into the whole "Angry Sky God" thing.

Response to Quantess (Reply #1)

cprise

(8,445 posts)
108. A lot of liberal believers would claim
Tue May 21, 2013, 08:32 PM
May 2013

that you simply used the logic in a childish/immature way and so you are to be looked down upon for requiring even the most basic thinking skills when examining the topic. IOW, they never have to answer (to an atheist) for their beliefs because an atheist is just someone whose character you attack in response to a critical inquiry.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
28. Maybe it proves that God created nature and its power.
Tue May 21, 2013, 06:33 PM
May 2013

Maybe it proves that mankind has challenged the laws of nature that God-created by burning too much carbon fuels and depositing too much CO2 in our atmosphere.

Maybe God doesn't magically intervene. You'd think the creationists would see that if God is to be created with creating the world, then disasters and death must be part of his creation.

 

Nanjing to Seoul

(2,088 posts)
119. Maybe it proves that circular upward rotation of a convectionally created Cumulonimbus cloud
Tue May 21, 2013, 08:54 PM
May 2013

produced a supercell with a corresponding rear flank downthrust. With the heating and rising of warm air in the cumulonimbus cloud, atmospheric conditions were perfect for the formation of a large Wedge Tornado out of the rear flank downthrust that grew into a mile wide due to humidity, heat and rotation.

Naaaah. . .God created it all! Scientific laws of climate, weather and physical geography mean nothing. God did it!

And the Easter Bunny lays colored eggs. Santa Claus brings presents. And the Tooth Fairy gave me a dollar for every tooth I lost as a kid.

Enough fairy tales!

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
144. No, no, no says baby Ben....
Tue May 21, 2013, 11:16 PM
May 2013

You use your mind too much. God has offered a way to relieve your anxiety over thinking! You no longer need to have the desire or responsibility to think! Your brain is the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. Your frontal lobes are of the devil. Stop trying to figure things out. Just """Believe""" and have """faith""". Thinking is not necessary beyond tying your shoes.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
171. You probably have a point. But I would call those laws God.
Wed May 22, 2013, 01:51 AM
May 2013

God is those laws as far as I'm concerned.

In my view, "God" is the word we use to represent the force in the universe that is mysterious and not knowable to our meager consciousness. Nothing more. Nothing less.

The word "God" can represent a mythological humanoid or simply an energy -- the something that holds the universe together -- perhaps just natural laws.

But then because we are human we need to tie up the loose ends and explain where the natural laws come from, so we refer to "God." Others ascribe magical powers to "God." i ascribe natural power to "God." I happen to be a Unitarian.

I haven't thought about it as thoroughly as Emerson and Thoreau, but I suppose I tend toward their philosophical line of thought:

Nature and Its Meaning
Nature is the focal point for much transcendentalist thought and writing. As a theme, it is so central to the movement that Emerson’s cornerstone essay is entitled Nature and serves as an investigation into nature and its relationship to the soul. For transcendentalists, nature and the soul were inextricably linked. In the rhythms and seasons of the natural world, transcendentalists found comfort and divinity. In the increasingly industrialized and fragmented world in which they lived, the search for meaning in nature was of great importance. Emerson, Thoreau, Whitman, Hawthorne, Fuller, Melville, and others saw possibility, liberation, and beauty in nature.

Emerson writes in Nature, “Let us interrogate the great apparition, that shines so peacefully around us. Let us inquire, to what end is nature?” For Emerson, nature is a direct line to God, and its “meaning” is directly linked to God’s “meaning.” His definition of God and meaning is clearly different than that of the conservative Unitarian Church from which he split.

A follower of Emerson, Thoreau took ideas from Emerson’s work and put them into practice. He saw nature as not just an awe-inspiring force but a way of life. Thoreau offers up the following advice in Walden: “Let us spend one day as deliberately as Nature, and not be thrown off the track by every nutshell and mosquito’s wing that falls on the rails.” For Thoreau, nature is pure because it is free from commercialization and industrialization. It is both a respite and a teacher. The transcendentalists were not reactionary or opposed to the modernization of the world; they were, however, concerned that such modernization could lead to alienation. Nature provided a way to keep humans in touch with their souls and with their spiritual foundations.

http://howlandpowpak.neomin.org/powpak/cgi-bin/article_display_page.pl?id=thomas.williams/american&ar=20

I am not a scientist. I simply was not educated to understand science as well as I understand other fields.

 

Nanjing to Seoul

(2,088 posts)
172. the force in the universe that is mysterious and not knowable to our meager consciousness.
Wed May 22, 2013, 02:06 AM
May 2013

Convectional formation of precipitation clouds are not mysterious. It's not God. It's simple Earth and Climate Science.

9th grade Earth Science students know this.

You're a Unitarian. I'm a pragmatist. Science explains more than God.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
221. But what first started that natural process is what unites the universe, and that is, in my
Wed May 22, 2013, 11:18 AM
May 2013

view, "God."

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
261. So God is shrinking?
Wed May 22, 2013, 04:40 PM
May 2013

Every year, science figures out more and more about those natural processes and how they behave.

Doesn't that mean God is shrinking? Less and less around us is due to God, because more and more of it is due to "mundane" processes determined by science.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
276. I don't see any conflict between science and the concept of God, of a unifiying force
Sat May 25, 2013, 03:58 AM
May 2013

or energy in the universe. In fact, I think science supports the concept of God. Take away the mythology from the concept of God and it is quite compatible with science. The mythology is human storytelling. I love it, but the concept of God is not limited to the mythology, to the Bible. The Bible is just one very ancient story or description of the energy or force that makes science, matter/energy function and exist.

 

Nanjing to Seoul

(2,088 posts)
264. I'll trust my easily proven science. You trust your "trust in the invisible man" idea
Wed May 22, 2013, 08:38 PM
May 2013

And I can explain things. And you can't.

Carlin said it best: "The God answer. The last vestige for a man with no thought and no ideas. God did it."

When will we put this superstition bullshit behind us. CONVECTIONAL CURRENTS ARE NOT GOD!!! The dinosaurs didn't believe in God. Neither do any other animals on the planet. Only humans do!

So much for an upper brain!

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
275. Do convectional currents exist in a vaccuum?
Sat May 25, 2013, 03:55 AM
May 2013

The world is too well organized to have just occurred at random. There is some energy, some force that unites it. You can call it science. I call it God. I think my concept better defines whatever it is. I am not questioning the validity of science. I am just saying it is not explanation enough.

 

Nanjing to Seoul

(2,088 posts)
277. Nothing exists in a vaccum. What does that prove?
Sat May 25, 2013, 04:10 AM
May 2013

I'll trust provable, testable scientific methods and ideas.

You can trust your "I'll believe in some invisible father figure that can cause a tornado that causes death, but he loves us and wants what's best for us" malarkey.

End of discussion. I have no time for God people.

intaglio

(8,170 posts)
178. So, despite your claim to be UU you are an agnostic
Wed May 22, 2013, 04:02 AM
May 2013

Or at least this quote is a fine statement of agnosticism

In my view, "God" is the word we use to represent the force in the universe that is mysterious and not knowable to our meager consciousness. Nothing more. Nothing less.

Next you say that ...
The word "God" can represent a mythological humanoid or simply an energy -- the something that holds the universe together -- perhaps just natural laws.
If God is mythological then, by definition it is not historical, if it is an energy or binding or natural laws then, like a myth it is not a deity.

Next is a statement of an atheist ...
But then because we are human we need to tie up the loose ends and explain where the natural laws come from, so we refer to "God."

You qualify this with the statement that ...
Others ascribe magical powers to "God." i ascribe natural power to "God."
The problem being that a deity has to have some source of energy to effect the forces that govern the universe. A fine talk on this can be found in the following video

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
220. What makes me a theist?
Wed May 22, 2013, 11:17 AM
May 2013

I feel the presence of "God" in my life. The same God whose presence others feel in church. But I feel it everywhere in life.

austinlw

(54 posts)
247. That's where I am too.
Wed May 22, 2013, 02:04 PM
May 2013

I believe there is a primal intelligence (for lack of a better term) in the universe that is behind the laws of math and physics. Humans often call this primal intelligence "God" or the "Universe" or "Allah" or whatever. Many folks imagine God in their own image. Some seem to believe that this God directs tornadoes to kill some specific humans, maim others, and allow others to be spared from injury. Same with war. I recognize that I don't know enough to know how much of this is true or untrue. However, what I observe and believe is true is that we humans are still at such an elementary stage of evolutionary development that we don't know enough to say much of anything definitive about God, the Universe, the Force, or whatever one wants to call IT. And in my view it takes more faith to be an atheist than to be anything else - particularly when confronted by self-sacrificing LOVE, like the firefighters and police running toward danger or a teacher shielding elementary students with their bodies. People can neither prove that this primal intelligence exists or doesn't exist. 2 people can look at the same event - 1 says it was caused by God, the other says it was caused by physical atmospheric forces. To me both can be true at once.

I also recognize that people often have a tendency to try to categorize others for their own purposes - atheist, agnostic, Christian, etc. It's simpler to stick a label on someone and put them on the shelf with others they have categorized likewise, so they can pretend to understand what's going on. So when someone says that this statement is agnostic, another is atheist, another something else, then says that means you're inconsistent with your own beliefs. NO, maybe their categories need to be reexamined because maybe the universe is full of paradoxes that we can describe but can't adequately explain due to the fact that we humans are fairly primitive critters.

By the way, the label that most accurately describes me is "panentheistic universalist".

intaglio

(8,170 posts)
260. I did not say you were a theist
Wed May 22, 2013, 03:48 PM
May 2013

I said that your first statement of your beliefs was agnostic in nature by declaring the thing that might be deity to be unknowable.

You next assert that statements about god either describe a mythology or describe natural forces, I just pointed out that mythologies are not historic and natural laws and forces are not deities either.

Next you use an argument familiar to atheists that the term God is just a descriptive of unknown causes. You qualified this by assigning "natural power" to God which I countered with a talk that demonstrates there can be no such power. To put it another way a god of the gaps cannot influence the universe without putting out some energy and that energy is not there - there is no room for it and no way of generating it.

Now you qualify your belief further by stating that you feel the presence of "God" in your life but this leaves the question why does god only make itself apparent to so few people?

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
281. Why does God only make itself apparent to so few people?
Mon May 27, 2013, 08:10 PM
May 2013

Why don't you ask God? Just ask the universe. You might be one of the lucky ones and get an answer. That is what happened to me. I asked the question, and I got an answer.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
34. I believe that question has been addressed by the likes of Thomas Aquinas...
Tue May 21, 2013, 06:41 PM
May 2013

I believe that question has been addressed by the likes of Thomas Aquinas (Nicomachean Ethics), GK Chesterton (The Innocence of Father Brown), Alvin Plantinga (The Nature of Necessity), C.S. Lewis (The Problem with Pain), and a host of others... though the preceding list is a wonderful primer to better acquaint oneself with the fundamental premises given if that curiosity is sincere.

I'd imagine that Aquinas and Chesterton are likely available for no cost at Project Gutenberg. But again, that presupposes the question and the curiosity is sincere. They do however, presume that the reader knows the difference between evidence and proofs.

0rganism

(23,937 posts)
60. Nicomachean Ethics = Aristotle, perhaps you meant Summa Theologiae?
Tue May 21, 2013, 07:03 PM
May 2013

Heavy reading in either case -- recommend interested parties set aside more than a weekend for it.

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
64. I like Epicurus' take:
Tue May 21, 2013, 07:07 PM
May 2013

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
79. Thanks for the recommendations
Tue May 21, 2013, 07:23 PM
May 2013

I have read Aquinas and Lewis, but had never heard of Chesterton. It is available as an ebook from Project Gutenberg. As a philosophy and Holmes fan, I'm looking forward to it!

 

skepticscott

(13,029 posts)
87. Please, enlighten us
Tue May 21, 2013, 07:41 PM
May 2013

What is the difference between "evidence" and "proofs"? And what is the difference between a "proof" and an argument made backwards from a preconceived conclusion?

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
150. Sincerity?
Tue May 21, 2013, 11:32 PM
May 2013

Sincerity? I won't even begin to tell you how utterly insulting that is for anyone to preface knowledge with a control mechanism that contradicts the search for knowledge and truth itself. The very staement "sincere curiosity" is insincere and manipulative.

I, as an atheist, am more sincere about the search for truth and the reality of existence than Thomas Aquinas, C.S. Lewis and hosts of others that have fallen for or have used the fatal idea of sincere curiosity as an instrument of torture and degradation of the human mind and spirit throughout history.

One is either curious or they are not. The above mentioned were never curious about truth or knowledge. They were justifying their dogma, steeped in centuries of myth and mental instability, securing it with the threat of death whether it be hell, physical or mental.

Tainting the vulnerable with being "sincere" about whether they can see what they are supposed to see... is insulting.

edit: and if this is all you have to unburden yourself of the responsibility for your beliefs, and the thought relieves you of your responsibility to us as humans, you are deluding yourself.

GentryDixon

(2,949 posts)
7. When the admitting person at the hospital asked my religious preference last week
Tue May 21, 2013, 06:01 PM
May 2013

I told her none, as I did not believe in that stuff. I have to hand it to her. She recovered fairly quickly and carried on from there, but her first reaction was written all over her face.

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
12. When I was medevac'd to a stateside Army hospital from Vietnam...
Tue May 21, 2013, 06:09 PM
May 2013

...the admitting nurse asked me what religion to put on my bed card. I said, "None."

She had my dogtags that said 'Roman Catholic' and she asked, "Do you mean 'Decline to state'?"

"No," I told her. "Just put 'None.'"

GentryDixon

(2,949 posts)
13. As I live in a heavily Mormon state, I was expecting the need
Tue May 21, 2013, 06:11 PM
May 2013

for a fainting couch, but was quite surprised.

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
15. I still remember the chaplain that came by my room
Tue May 21, 2013, 06:16 PM
May 2013

He looked at my bed card and was unfazed. It was like he'd seen that many times before...

Half-Century Man

(5,279 posts)
117. I would guess
Tue May 21, 2013, 08:52 PM
May 2013

That military chaplains visiting the combat wounded find an overwhelming number of religious rejectors.

Kali

(55,007 posts)
94. are you kidding?
Tue May 21, 2013, 08:05 PM
May 2013

most of the door-to-door religionists probably hear about more athiests than even athiests do!

they are probably more used to it than anybody

Fuddnik

(8,846 posts)
75. Back then, in boot camp, we had to choose a religion. "None" was not an option. And it went on your
Tue May 21, 2013, 07:15 PM
May 2013

dogtags.

tomm2thumbs

(13,297 posts)
77. sounds like a state mandating religion to me
Tue May 21, 2013, 07:22 PM
May 2013

where's all the 'follow the Constitution' folks when it comes to those kinds of issues... oh yea, they are all hiding out watching FoxNews all day & night, sucking on the teats of ignorance

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
145. VN War dogtags
Tue May 21, 2013, 11:24 PM
May 2013
For those with no religious affiliation and those who chose not to list an affiliation, either the space for religion was left blank or the words "NO PREFERENCE" or "NO RELIGIOUS PREF" were included.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog_tag#U.S._Army


 

giftedgirl77

(4,713 posts)
92. Before our last deployment
Tue May 21, 2013, 08:02 PM
May 2013

my hubby & I got ahold of the dog tag machine & changed ours to Pastafarian. By the time word got around at least 75 ppl out of 250 had theirs changed.

My best friend also had it put in her will that her husband wasn't allowed to spend her life insurance $$ on hookers or strippers.

Anything to make someone squirm.

MattBaggins

(7,901 posts)
267. I demanded Atheist be put on my dog tags
Wed May 22, 2013, 09:46 PM
May 2013

and had to argue with the Lima that it was in fact allowed by regulation.

Tab

(11,093 posts)
31. I've had that
Tue May 21, 2013, 06:37 PM
May 2013

The idea is that they want to know whether they should send a priest, a rabbi, or whatever (buddhist monk) to your room.

It used to piss me off that in the rare few minutes of sleep I would get, a priest would appear to "talk", and I would comment that I thought my religious preference was "none" and their response was that sometimes they would get that answer and send the priest anyways. I wasn't rude, but I wasn't receptive, and actually kind of pissed that my sleep - what little I was getting - was getting disturbed over something I thought was settled upon registration.

alp227

(32,015 posts)
14. ANOTHER CNN FAIL
Tue May 21, 2013, 06:12 PM
May 2013

First Poppy Harlow/Steubenville, John King/the Boston bombings, now the Blitz/Oklahoma tornado.

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
19. "Why aren't you giving prayers of thanks to the loving invisible omnipotent deity who destroyed
Tue May 21, 2013, 06:20 PM
May 2013

your town and killed several children in the process?"

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
55. Yeah. Wolf should interview the dead ones. Find out what went wrong.
Tue May 21, 2013, 06:56 PM
May 2013

What a poor excuse for a journalist.

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tomm2thumbs

(13,297 posts)
61. Thanks for posting the video
Tue May 21, 2013, 07:03 PM
May 2013

Blitzer was really over the top on how he asked that question.... pointed vs. inquiring. I think that little kid slapping him would have been better had he reached his face.

bwahahahaha

Stardust

(3,894 posts)
168. Me, too! I've bookmarked this thread to show my grandson. And I love the surfing gif (can't recall
Wed May 22, 2013, 01:31 AM
May 2013

whose it is...)

merrily

(45,251 posts)
201. 5% of Americans does represent an increase, but I'm not sure if I consider 5% = mainstream.
Wed May 22, 2013, 09:46 AM
May 2013

There is a gap between considering yourself a religious person or a religiously observant person and not believing in anything at all that is supernatural in nature, even "the Force."

Poll shows atheism on the rise in the U.S.
By Kimberly Winston| Religion News Service,August 13, 2012

Religiosity is on the decline in the U.S. and atheism is on the rise, according to a new worldwide poll.

The poll, called “The Global Index of Religiosity and Atheism,” found that the number of Americans who say they are “religious” dropped from 73 percent in 2005 (the last time the poll was conducted) to 60 percent.

At the same time, the number of Americans who say they are atheists rose, from 1 percent to 5 percent.


http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2012-08-13/national/35491519_1_new-atheism-atheist-groups-new-atheists

Still, you are correct about the direction in which things are trending.
 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
225. Right.
Wed May 22, 2013, 11:43 AM
May 2013

I also think that the number of openly non-believing people is rising due to the Internet. People are realizing that millions of others agree that there is little basis for a belief in a deity, and they're coming "out" more.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
23. I am so fucking sick of hearing that praying shit.
Tue May 21, 2013, 06:25 PM
May 2013

And I'm sick of the deference and fear towards Xians in this country. This is not and never has been a Xian nation so get the fuck over it. I wish all presidents would stop saying god bless America and all that crap. Enough already. Now they're trying even harder to make our schools teach bible bs and every time a politician says god bless America they give even more leeway to the evangelicals to think they should be doing what they do. I don't remember hearing it so much before Dubya was in office, Time to stop with the religious shit in public, especially in politics. Keep it at home and in church.

Gawd this pisses me off. Can you tell?


 

xtraxritical

(3,576 posts)
39. Well put, god bless America and we'll win the game!
Tue May 21, 2013, 06:46 PM
May 2013

I'm reading Jon Meacham's Thomas Jefferson The Art of Power 763 pages on Jefferson's and the US history. It is very clear that the founders were merely deferential to Christians. They had no real care for religion at all. Please read Thomas Paine's The Age of Reason. Jefferson edited the New Testament removing all the "miracles" and just keeping the words of Jesus. He threw out the Old Testament entirely. Madison encouraged the separation of church and state. Tbaggers are clueless.

 

SCVDem

(5,103 posts)
97. What they should be teaching in school
Tue May 21, 2013, 08:12 PM
May 2013

would be the Native American belief in the importance of respecting the land and waters, the air and the wildlife which sustain us.

Nothing magical about any of that.

Don't foul the bed you sleep in!

tomm2thumbs

(13,297 posts)
73. so much irony in what he asked -- he just didn't ask a long enough question
Tue May 21, 2013, 07:13 PM
May 2013

You mean you DON'T THANK THE LORD FOR SAVING YOU FROM THE TORNADO HE SENT TO KILL YOU AND YOUR FAMILY?!!!

(sigh)

One day people will observe weather for what it is -- a fact of nature

enlightenment

(8,830 posts)
35. Why on earth would he ask that question twice?
Tue May 21, 2013, 06:44 PM
May 2013

(Having just watched the video) it's almost as if he was demanding a response.

Good for her, though it was obvious she was not thrilled to be backed into a corner.

tomm2thumbs

(13,297 posts)
63. exactly.. he may as well been handing her a leaflet and pushing his way into her house
Tue May 21, 2013, 07:05 PM
May 2013

You DO believe it DON'T YOU?!!!

geeesh, what a piece of work Blitzer is

avebury

(10,952 posts)
40. Gov. Fallin was just asked on CBS news what the people need.
Tue May 21, 2013, 06:47 PM
May 2013

Her reply - "They need our prayers."

No Governor, they need assistance, temporary and long term, to get back on their feet. Prayers will not rebuild a house. Prayers will not put a temporary roof over your head, clothes on your body, etc. They need practical real life help.

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
42. This Oklahoma prayer thing reminds me of the sick cycle of domestic violence.
Tue May 21, 2013, 06:49 PM
May 2013

Ask for mercy from the violent asshole who just hit you -- that's essentially what they're saying.

decrepittex

(53 posts)
142. I watched that shit on the news yesterday.
Tue May 21, 2013, 10:36 PM
May 2013

I believe when I heard him say that my exact words were, "Yeah, I'm sure that will help." (with lots of sarcasm intended)
Prayers will not get it done.

napkinz

(17,199 posts)
271. Those who claim they talk to God and God has talked to them ...
Thu May 23, 2013, 04:57 PM
May 2013

For once, I'd like to hear one of these conversations.

So far, I've had no luck finding anything on YouTube.






Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
272. The lord works in mysterious ways
Thu May 23, 2013, 05:32 PM
May 2013

... Is the answer often given to questions that can't be answered.

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
49. Wait-- so god controls everything but tornadoes?
Tue May 21, 2013, 06:51 PM
May 2013

What kind of bullshit is that? I'm always dumbfounded by expressions of faith after a natural disaster. It's odd to praise a being who just destroyed your home or killed a bunch of your neighbors. It's also the height of narcissism to say that all these others were killed but you were specifically spared.

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
56. That God has got some good spin-doctor PR people, I tell ya.
Tue May 21, 2013, 06:57 PM
May 2013

"He" only gets praise for the good, never the blame for things -- sort of like the omnipotent Ferris Bueller.

tomm2thumbs

(13,297 posts)
67. shhhhhh.... you are stating the obvious and we know how that rattles cages
Tue May 21, 2013, 07:08 PM
May 2013

pay no attention to the man behind the curtain....

Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
107. He also can't heal amputees
Tue May 21, 2013, 08:27 PM
May 2013

Though apparently he or she is willing to occasionally heal invisible maladies. Although, if God will heal invisible things, then why do people need health insurance? And why are his representatives on Earth need money to fulfill His will on Earth? Why is god omnipotent and all powerful, yet so bad with managing money?

 

HockeyMom

(14,337 posts)
50. 9/11 - No Athiests on that day
Tue May 21, 2013, 06:51 PM
May 2013

Actually, yes there were and they were very public on local NY Media. NATIONAL Media totally ignored them.

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
53. Oh, jeez. I wouldn't even say that to a fellow church-member.
Tue May 21, 2013, 06:56 PM
May 2013
When someone else is suffering, let them indicate whether they're open to spiritual comfort; don't force it on them.
 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
65. I'm agnostic
Tue May 21, 2013, 07:07 PM
May 2013

I don't rule out the possibility of there being a Goddess, but I don't fall on my knees and worship her, either. If She exists.

 

adieu

(1,009 posts)
68. An atheist standing in the middle of a huge
Tue May 21, 2013, 07:08 PM
May 2013

pile of rubble caused by "an act of God" that was the tornado would actually thank God for being alive? I'd be pissed as hell at God for tormenting the whole lot of us with a totally unnecessary tornado.

Thank God? Dafuq?

MNBrewer

(8,462 posts)
69. Was watching coverage online from the local OKC TV station
Tue May 21, 2013, 07:09 PM
May 2013

And the female anchor said things like "That's what people of faith do." when talking about the donations of money and good pouring into the station for distribution to the people of Moore. She also, still gushing over how awesome the people of Oklahoma are said "First we get on our knees and pray, then we get up and ask what needs to be done."

This was the anchor! If OKC couldn't pray away the tornado I doubt even Pat Robertson himself could!

She's very brave to have publicly outed herself as an atheist, and I commend her.

Atheists and other seculars who want to donate to help but don't want it to go through religious organizations can consider donating here.

http://www.weareatheism.com/donate/atheist-giving-aid-oklahoma-tornado-relief/

MNBrewer

(8,462 posts)
74. Atheist group collecting donations for Oklahoma tornado relief.
Tue May 21, 2013, 07:13 PM
May 2013
http://www.weareatheism.com/donate/atheist-giving-aid-oklahoma-tornado-relief/

"This one hits close to home. We are headquartered in Shawnee, KS, about 4.5 hours northeast of Moore, OK. We’ve seen tornadoes. We know people that lived through the Joplin, MO tornadoes. We know people whose homes have been devastated by violent storms. What happened outside of Oklahoma City is nothing short of a natural disaster.

People have died, children gone, families ripped apart. At this time, others can pray if they want, but we want to help. These families and the citizens left there with no homes, will need help. We know the Red Cross is on hand. They serve a great purpose. However, a lot of their funds go to pay overhead. With us, your money goes right to those that need help. So, if you want to give money where you know it will go directly to someone in need, and NOT go through a religious source, then consider giving to Atheists Giving Aid. Whatever you can financially spare will allow our organization to get lives back to normal."

LittleGirl

(8,282 posts)
90. Bill Maher should have her on his show this weekend
Tue May 21, 2013, 07:57 PM
May 2013

I'd love to see her interviewed about Wolf being a 'dick'.

LittleGirl

(8,282 posts)
136. +1
Tue May 21, 2013, 09:41 PM
May 2013

We atheists need her to set the media straight. All this God stuff - thanking God for living? Please. Living through an act of nature is pure luck and eventually, none of us get out alive. sheesh

nolabear

(41,959 posts)
91. LOL I knew this would end up here. I think she showed great grace.
Tue May 21, 2013, 07:58 PM
May 2013

She said she was an atheist but then said something to the effect that she didn't begrudge anyone turning to religion at such times. We could use more of that kind of attitude. As long as peoples' rights are not infringed upon, or innocents hurt, I can appreciate the need for comfort and control that gives rise to prayer and religious feeling. And yes, I'm an atheist.

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
101. +1
Tue May 21, 2013, 08:17 PM
May 2013

She bravely declares her belief, but does not begrudge the faith beliefs of others or seek to disparage them. She was beautiful!

Blitzer, on the other hand--not so much.

nolabear

(41,959 posts)
130. He seemed to be caught trying to pander to cheap emotion.
Tue May 21, 2013, 09:24 PM
May 2013

I've seen reporters genuinely moved but he looked to me like he was going for the money shot and got a face full of fail instead.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
135. That is exactly what he was doing. She handled herself perfectly.
Tue May 21, 2013, 09:35 PM
May 2013

It seemed as though she was, at first, going to let the remark go (as we all have done at some point), but his brainless pushiness invoked a wonderfully polite "I'm OK, thanks for asking" response.

I loved it.

 

SCVDem

(5,103 posts)
103. Can you imagine if she stated that
Tue May 21, 2013, 08:18 PM
May 2013

Allah saved her?

Heads would explode more than being an atheist.

liberalmuse

(18,672 posts)
111. Ho boy.
Tue May 21, 2013, 08:36 PM
May 2013

She should have told him she worshipped the devil and dined exclusively on toasted babies sprinkled with kittens. It would have gone better for her.

Cheviteau

(383 posts)
112. Wait !
Tue May 21, 2013, 08:41 PM
May 2013

Please hold your comments until we hear what Franklin Graham, Pat Robertson, and the Rev. Hagee has weighed in on the cause of all those tornados. They are, after all, the authorities on dogs reasons for doing such things.

Chemisse

(30,807 posts)
116. Good for her! I am so sick of the assumption of Christianity.
Tue May 21, 2013, 08:51 PM
May 2013

It's disrespectful to presume that someone holds particular religious beliefs.

decrepittex

(53 posts)
140. Kinda like some Redneck asking me, "What are we going to do about the n****r in the white house?
Tue May 21, 2013, 10:20 PM
May 2013

In this part of Texas that can and does happen. They just assume you are one of "them". It's the same with religion, with a church on every corner they assume you go to one of them. I've always wondered why so many churches are needed. Since Christians believe in one God, one Heaven, and one Hell, why can't they all get along? In my little dinky home town there are three Baptist churches in walking distance of one another.

 

Phillip McCleod

(1,837 posts)
129. just.. just.. *awesome*!
Tue May 21, 2013, 09:23 PM
May 2013

i love her! her laugh at the end is pure madness, but the look she has at the very end is something else.. pain it seems like.

demmiblue

(36,838 posts)
143. She knew what was coming and tried to deflect.
Tue May 21, 2013, 11:13 PM
May 2013

I have to say, she is a pretty brave woman to admit her atheism on national TV (those righty-tighty Xians are a dangerous sort).

Bonus... she seems like a great mom!

LostOne4Ever

(9,288 posts)
154. Love this
Tue May 21, 2013, 11:52 PM
May 2013

Best part is that the rest of american can see that an atheist can be a completely normal loving mom! Her comment at the end was perfect!

 

Apophis

(1,407 posts)
137. Fuck god.
Tue May 21, 2013, 09:45 PM
May 2013

So, by his logic, the people who didn't pray died?



I'm tired of Christianity being constantly shoved down our throats. Wolf Blitzer is a worthless tool.

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
157. Well, maybe The Deity was busy determining the outcomes of sporting events and grammy nominations.
Wed May 22, 2013, 12:20 AM
May 2013

I mean, come on, there are only so many hours in a day.

FrenchieCat

(68,867 posts)
156. Poor Wolf Blitzer! guess he's still trying to fit in as a Journalist in-da-know...
Wed May 22, 2013, 12:16 AM
May 2013

Guess all of the kool Kids journalists have collectively decided to stereotype OK residents as all religious,
and he's right there at the front of the line.

Does this media ever get anything right????

Freedom of the Press (to lie and whatever else) for these assholes is priceless....a la AP...
Freedom of religion for the rest of us.....apparently not so much!

JI7

(89,244 posts)
161. actually i wonder if he would have asked someone from New York, Jersey etc the same thing
Wed May 22, 2013, 12:26 AM
May 2013

it seems like he made an assumption about her beliefs based on where she is from. it is true that people there are more likely to be religious but even then wouldn't the best thing be to stay neutral and if they want to bring it up themselves they can. but don't assume such a thing about people. especially individual cases like this where he actually asked her if she thanked the lord.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
164. I was insulted that Wolf put the religious question to her...
Wed May 22, 2013, 12:44 AM
May 2013

... what the eff business is it of his if she "thanked the Lord", or however he posed the suggestion? I was channel surfing and did catch him interviewing her. That baby, ("Anders" was it?,) was a doll and a delightful arm-full. I was really thinking it was a great interview by Wolf, until he made the religious remark.

Hey, Wolf... if God had anything to do with it, there would have been no tornado to begin with.

Jasana

(490 posts)
174. Did she thank god for sending the tornado her way?
Wed May 22, 2013, 02:16 AM
May 2013

Did she thank god for the tornado destroying her house?
Or did she just thank god for saving her life? What a jerk Blizter is.

She had brass ovaries for admitting she was an atheist in Oklahoma.

Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
175. What's up with all the religion-bashing on this thread?
Wed May 22, 2013, 02:31 AM
May 2013

It was foolish of Wolf to assume that the woman was a Christian when she is an Atheist, but come on...can't people on here just accept that others may choose to be religious without berating their beliefs? It is a form of binary thinking to group all religious people into one box and claim that all of us somehow lack the ability to use logic. Those nuts on the Right who are anti-science DO NOT represent all Christians. I repeat: they do not represent all Christians.

 

alphafemale

(18,497 posts)
278. Try...just try wearing a shirt that says Athesist...for ONE day.
Sat May 25, 2013, 04:10 AM
May 2013

Then get back to me about your persecution complex.

Astazia

(262 posts)
176. Saw video of this exchange and there was only one thing missing at the end...
Wed May 22, 2013, 02:37 AM
May 2013

"Well, we'll have to leave it THERE"

or "Thank you atheist...for that"

Anymouse

(120 posts)
180. And the folk here gave thanks
Wed May 22, 2013, 04:47 AM
May 2013

. . . that the three tornadoes near my village (Broadwater, Nebraska, the first three of this outbreak) did not hit anything in the village.

As the one long haired hippie atheist socialistic village trustee on the village board, I proposed a more practical solution to the board for consideration on next month's agenda: building a community tornado shelter for our 128 people.

I have already survived one tornado (Liberty, Mo., May 4, 2003) because I had a safe room under my house, along with eight other neighbours that piled into my safe room. The house was destroyed.

Rather than trust in some supernatural power to protect my town in a tornado, I would rather the village board be proactive and build shelters, particularly since FEMA will finance much of the construction. We'll have to see though: there are a lot of people that object when the village clerk puts in a claim to buy paperclips.

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SemperEadem

(8,053 posts)
183. like I said to someone on facebook yesterdaty
Wed May 22, 2013, 06:20 AM
May 2013

prayer doesn't hammer a nail into a board in order to build a frame so that one can rebuild their house... It doesn't unspin the atmosphere and make things go back to what it was before. All prayer does is make the pray-er feel like they've done something without having to bust a sweat. They supposedly leave it up to God to handle--never considering that perhaps God wants them to get off their behinds and take action instead of sitting back and feeling self satisfied for doing nothing.

riqster

(13,986 posts)
185. I always liked the one...
Wed May 22, 2013, 07:56 AM
May 2013

Where a soldier says "we need a Satanist for our chaplain". When asked why, he said "Stands to reason. God is good, so he'll treat you right. It's the other guy you have to watch out for."

CBGLuthier

(12,723 posts)
187. There was a time I would not say I was an atheist because
Wed May 22, 2013, 08:06 AM
May 2013

of the judgement of the religious.

Now I hesitate to say I am an atheist because I do not want to be associated with a bunch of narrow-minded bigots.

Mariana

(14,854 posts)
191. What the fuck has this woman done to you
Wed May 22, 2013, 09:21 AM
May 2013

to make you say such a thing? Why, exactly, do you think she's a narrow-minded bigot?

CBGLuthier

(12,723 posts)
192. I don't. I do think some of those posting in this thread are.
Wed May 22, 2013, 09:23 AM
May 2013

My error, I should have been clearer or responded to one of the actual bigoted posts.

Jokerman

(3,518 posts)
250. As an atheist just let me say "thank you".
Wed May 22, 2013, 02:11 PM
May 2013

Because I certainly do not want to be associated with anyone who would make such a ridiculous statement.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
213. Most Christians I know will tell you
Wed May 22, 2013, 10:52 AM
May 2013

that even as an atheist, god has a plan for you, and is holding out the offer of salvation or somesuch until some point he 'hardens your heart' and leaves you to your fate, which is either 'apart from god', or as some of the more creative Christians think, tossing your ass in a pit of fire and brimstone forever.

I think they're full of shit, of course.

Dash87

(3,220 posts)
194. Prayer isn't going to rebuild that town.
Wed May 22, 2013, 09:27 AM
May 2013

People there need physical and emotional support, not people screaming at the sky for them.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
195. Before Bush, I thought I could almost see TV personalities trying to steer people away from
Wed May 22, 2013, 09:33 AM
May 2013

any mention of God. Now, they seem to encourage it, if not insist on it. If my observations are correct, IMO, both those positions are wrong. But, if you have to err, maybe you should err on keeping news shows (or what passes for news shows these days) neutral as to matters that are not an integral part of the story.

And, no, religion is not an integral part of a news story about a tornado.

patrice

(47,992 posts)
207. KICK! for a very constructive perspective on an increasingly divisive issue.
Wed May 22, 2013, 10:00 AM
May 2013

I hate these wars that get going on between different perspectives. Perhaps there are others who love them.

I hope you will consider staying a part of this kind of issue discussion, because you appear to be able to add a constructive element useful to BOTH sides of these questions.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
209. Thank you. I appreciate it. But, I wasn't trying to be evenhanded, just
Wed May 22, 2013, 10:17 AM
May 2013

expressing my honest opinion.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
219. I hate how they treat people in these situations, anyway.
Wed May 22, 2013, 11:14 AM
May 2013

Usually, media is trying to get them to cry or get angry or some such. It's ghoulish.

Manipulating emotions is no part of the job of professional reporter.

CarrieLynne

(497 posts)
212. I never understood why I would THANK something, but I wouldnt BLAME it for sending a tornado...
Wed May 22, 2013, 10:43 AM
May 2013

its like "thanks for not killing me while u were killing all those other people'...sheesh

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
234. I loved how she didn't throw the mike at him and storm off in a huff.
Wed May 22, 2013, 12:13 PM
May 2013

She said "we are here... and I don't blame anyone for thanking the Lord" with a smile on her face.

Certain DUers could learn something from how both parties handled this.

Deep13

(39,154 posts)
252. Why do we assume that Christians who do not agree with us on...
Wed May 22, 2013, 02:15 PM
May 2013

...political or social issues are not real Christians? If they believe Jesus Christ died to save the world from sin, then they are real Christians.

Anyway, I hope she is rewarded for courage, and not punished for telling the truth.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
256. Good for her.
Wed May 22, 2013, 03:14 PM
May 2013

The automatic reflexive assumption that everyone is religious- or at least pays lip service to it- is offensive.

 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
265. Wolf Blitzer was God-baiting her. What an idiot he is. Meanwhile, she is smarter than
Wed May 22, 2013, 08:42 PM
May 2013

all those people praying in their bathtubs while knowing the tornado was going to hit their homes.

An atheist has enough sense to know you get the hell out of the way instead of praying. What could be simpler?

stuntcat

(12,022 posts)
269. CNN's such a shame on America
Thu May 23, 2013, 01:25 PM
May 2013

it's embarrassing.

Not that I can really stick up for PBS anymore, but on Newshour last night Judy W. fully grilled the OK governor Mary Fallin (edit:Republican) until she admitted she does NOT want schools mandated to be safe from storms like this.
Guess that would be government over-reach.

But turning to CNN all I get is cushy feel-good, or bitter sob stories. CNN's barely a step up from a 24hr Reality TV show.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
279. That's pretty much the case in nations where reporters don't bug people about how they prayed
Sat May 25, 2013, 04:29 AM
May 2013

Bear in mind that this entire incident occurred because Wolf was absolutely convinced the woman must have been praying and just wouldn't shut up about it, if that was not so then we wouldn't be having this conversation.

It's that automatic assumption that you absolutely must be religious that triggers the backlash against it and this one was pretty mild actually.




Newest Reality

(12,712 posts)
280. Despite
Sat May 25, 2013, 09:03 AM
May 2013

Wolf's deadpan delivery, (is it the medication or does he think that emotions are unprofessional?) his hyperbolic poetry takes CNN across the Rubicon that used to divide it from Faux Newz. Sometimes he cracks me up with his use of adjectives and what seems like a lack of a thesaurus -- or is that just dumbing down for the sake of the audience?

Though, who knows were to separate the dancing puppets and bobble heads from the corporate specter grimacing behind the studio.

I don't watch it, (someone else I am around does) but the cable news has become more tabloid like and they certainly suffer from corporate OCD as they beat, hammer and suck a subject to death all day long. The older person I care for is getting a daily dose of things that he does not need to be so immersed in and I wonder how many people are impacted by the lack of wider and less sensational coverage they provide.

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