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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWoman on CNN tells Wolf " um i am actually a Atheist"
Wolf kept going on and on about how blessed she was and did she pray etc and being forced to respond to his religious questions she bravely on national TV and in Oklahoma told the world she was a atheist instead of just nodding her head in agreement to make him go away.
Things are already bad for this woman i really hope her bravery in being honest will not be punished by Christan's in name only.
Quantess
(27,630 posts)She should have said, "I am an atheist, but I am grateful to the Christians in my life. Obviously somebody prayed for me, since I'm still alive!"
Courtesy Flush
(4,558 posts)What kind of atheist would say that prayer saved her?
Quantess
(27,630 posts)But that is what a true believer would say upon hearing her reaction... that obviously the Christians in her life had prayed for her, otherwise she wouldn't have been spared.
I thought the crazy-eyes-smilie was enough of a hint.
1ProudAtheist
(346 posts)Had nothing to do with any of this. Science is the art of separating myth from fact, and faith is the art of ignoring fact to promote myth.
We atheists do know the difference between a random occurrence and the act of some make believe spook in the sky.
We atheists do really feel sad for the likes of you, who meander through life searching for the answer to questions that science so readily reveals.
Phillip McCleod
(1,837 posts)..pretty clear s/he was joking.
titaniumsalute
(4,742 posts)Please read the actually text in the posts. Sarcasm at its finest.
patrice
(47,992 posts)Quantess
(27,630 posts)more than one person thought I was serious.
patrice
(47,992 posts)Unca Jim
(556 posts)I get you didn't see the sarcasm, but "blunt heads"?
As for feeling sad, I feel sad for anyone so full of hatred. Ironically I agree with you far more metaphysically than I would with someone who would say the original without sarcasm.
I am glad most people are reasonable and understanding.
Vietnameravet
(1,085 posts)cover exorcism, blood letting or treating with leaches..or psychic surgery!!
Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)demwing
(16,916 posts)I'll chant a mantra for you
robinlynne
(15,481 posts)texshelters
(1,979 posts)PTxS
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)malaise
(268,896 posts)8 track mind
(1,638 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)Look at Wolfart's face!!! I LOVE that jpeg.
napkinz
(17,199 posts)Wolf belongs on FOX, where facts and the truth don't matter!
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)The god of the bible killed over 2 million. The devil killed less than a dozen. Seems to make more sense to pray to the devil.
merrily
(45,251 posts)of them killing people, and prayer to imaginary beins makes no sense at all, ever want to say something like that?
matt819
(10,749 posts)The idiocy of attributing survival to prayer is astounding. So did God not answer someone else's prayers by allowing them to die and by destroying their homes?
defacto7
(13,485 posts)but I'm not laughing. This is the usual answer.
Quantess
(27,630 posts)Maybe God spared her life because He knew she would soon change her ways and turn to Jesus!
Or, more likely, God answered the prayers of her Christian relatives who had not given up on their family heathen. She had better be thankful for everybody who sent prayers!
I better add the /sarcasm] tag so people don't think I'm serious.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)that God answered his prayer to win. What about the other racers? Did they pray to get second and third, etc.?
truebrit71
(20,805 posts)...makes him sound like a fair-weather fan to me..
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)truebrit71
(20,805 posts)bvar22
(39,909 posts)So much for Praying in Public.
Praying is one behavior that should remain In-the-Closet.
Walk away
(9,494 posts)obviously anyone who dies of cancer is at fault for not praying enough.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)God is batting 10%.
another_liberal
(8,821 posts)He could be coming to her in the night as a giant, lusty gander? It could be, makes at least as much sense as the Virgin Birth or the Resurrection.
wryter2000
(46,032 posts)Came in response to the tsunami in SE Asia (from an Episcopal priest). Paraphrased:
The disaster was caused by natural forces. The Spirit of God can be seen in all the people who are rushing to help.
I'm agnostic, btw.
LongTomH
(8,636 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)card-carrying atheist here.
Phillip McCleod
(1,837 posts)where's mine?
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)You didn't get the new members factsheet?
Phillip McCleod
(1,837 posts)..gotta been more than 20 years lost by now.
i'll just have to reapply to central command via my local atheist's union #666 and sacrifice the requisite infant.
DetlefK
(16,423 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)Dollface
(1,590 posts)Walk away
(9,494 posts)wryter2000
(46,032 posts)We don't have to be at each other all the time.
cprise
(8,445 posts)will make it a point to thank Jesus (and not me) whenever a non-believer does something good for them. In their minds--twisted by a particular strain of evangelical ideology--doing so is one of the best ways to show the world that God showers the right kind of believers with good fortune.
Its a nasty, anti-social ritual though.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Sorry if I sound cynical, but that priest is just doing some Jack Handey deep thoughts shit. It's a formula; "Blah blah god, blah blah nice thing, blah blah, I made a profound!"
The correct answer is that nature is dangerous but people are helping the other people who got hurt.
God, if it exists, is probably vastly more concerned with making sure universal mathematical constants remain, well, constant, since even a slight variation would reduce the entire universe into a cloud of highly agitated hypothetical particles. Omniscience probably gives you a vastly larger scale where the minute interactions of one particular variety of tailless primate on a single world amid the billions of galaxies prbably matter even less than an ant fart matters to you or I.
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)for our urge to help each other. We evolved to live in cohesive groups and to cooperate to help ensure survival.
Science is beautiful and profound.
Laelth
(32,017 posts)-Laelth
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)paleotn
(17,911 posts)and he's not too fond of Texas either. Record droughts. Tornados. What's next? Maybe gods not a right wing nutter after all. Seriously, when was the last time Vermont was pounded by multiple natural calamities like the southern plains?
calimary
(81,198 posts)Good to have you with us! Sometimes it's just random shit. But I must admit, I do find my mind wandering in that direction sometimes.
rateyes
(17,438 posts)Bake
(21,977 posts)OK has its share of whackos, though. Was Phelps originally from OK?
Bake
rateyes
(17,438 posts)ANOIS
(112 posts)He said it was because Jason Phillips came out as gay!
daleanime
(17,796 posts)longship
(40,416 posts)Of course, they'll never do that because in their own minds they know exactly what God thinks. It just so happens to be whatever the specific person who professes belief in God thinks. Amazing coincidence, eh?
If there are four billion god believers on the planet, there are four billion different gods.
alfredo
(60,071 posts)how can you be sure if your personal god is a real god?
longship
(40,416 posts)BlueStreak
(8,377 posts)to try to get the Christian fundies to take His planet seriously and stop making choices that ruin His greatest work.
But he also shared with me that he wasn't holding out a lot of hope His message would get through because "Some of these f###### are as stupid as me-damm rocks." (His words, not mine.)
RVN VET
(492 posts)Prayer can help get believers through some seriously hard times. It can't fix a broken leg, but it can calm a person down and help relieve anxiety and stifle fear. And it can calm a person down enough to enable that person to survive semi-burial after a tornado crushes the building he/she is in. Belief, strange as it sounds, can help some people actually be "healed" by charlatan faith healers, too. It's all due, of course, to the power and mystery of the human mind. If anything like a "god" were involved, the dead would come back to life, the disfigured made whole, etc., etc. But still . . .
(I take back the "anyone's" in my title above. There's one party -- or Party -- I'd love to poop on; and I'd like to start with both Senators from Oklahoma.)
Addison
(299 posts)Because to some extent, they "work."
The confusion lies in attributing the wrong cause to the effect.
KurtNYC
(14,549 posts)CLIP: those given music, imagery and touch therapy had less emotional distress and had a lower death rate after six months, though this was not seen as statistically significant.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/4681771.stm
Addison
(299 posts)Anyone can easily discover that a few minutes of prayer leaves them feeling calmer. The religious person attributes the calm to God, though the real reasons are otherwise.
Phillip McCleod
(1,837 posts)..but many others pray for redemption for their perceived sins. many children are tortured by fear of an evil god, satan, hell.. and the same can last a lifetime.
good for you that you can pray so blithely. perhaps you just don't believe strongly enough.
SCVDem
(5,103 posts)Keep your religion personal and to yourself!
I am fed up with hearing about religion on a daily basis.
This was not even a disaster of biblical proportions because all that made up stuff was not witnessed by anyone alive to verify it.
We also are not one nation under god either since there is no state mandated belief nor should their be. That was cold war bullshit!
Politicub
(12,165 posts)Some people send positive vibes.
You gotta do what works for you.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)magical things happen
Politicub
(12,165 posts)Just sayin'.
Phillip McCleod
(1,837 posts)..the STEP study always jumps to mind..
turns out there is no effectiveness of intercessionary prayer. either it has zero effect, or a slightly negative one.
prayer-as-meditation has only the effectiveness of meditation.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)Brainstormy
(2,380 posts)The science on prayer so far suggests you fare slightly better if no one is praying for you. But what gets me is that believers completely ignore the lack of evidence emanating from places like Lourdes, where millions have prayed for hundreds of years with underwhelming success.
tex-wyo-dem
(3,190 posts)Prayer and other spiritual practices actually do have a positive effect on many believers. It has everything to do with manipulating the mind and nothing to do with any supernatual external being showering graces upon the believer. If such practices bring peace and comfort to those who pray or whatever, then it's all good IMO. It's when people fail to recognize the line between myth and reason and want to press their faith on others, or even worse, public policy, is where I start to have a problem.
decrepittex
(53 posts)When people go on and on about their prayer being answered. How does that make their neighbor feel who just lost their child? Did they not pray just as sincerely? Did God give them the ole' middle-finger salute? Why can't they just STFU and be thankful for their good fortune. Please don't get me started on athletes who want to thank God for their win at some silly game, like God picked the winner.
wickerwoman
(5,662 posts)Either God didn't know about it, and hence isn't omniscient, or God couldn't do anything about it, and hence isn't omnipotent, or God knew about it, could stop it and chose not to and hence isn't benevolent.
mwb970
(11,358 posts)Some right-wing radio blowhard was talking about how Obama could have created a line of tornados and sent them to Oklahoma to attack conservatives. (I am not making this up.)
They say WE worship Obama like a god, then they say he controls the weather. Kind of like the way he's a weak-kneed wuss who has "lost control of the government" but is also an all-powerful, ruthless dictator.
They know they hate him, they just can't say why.
merrily
(45,251 posts)mwb970
(11,358 posts)AAO
(3,300 posts)What else could explain God doing this inspite of all the prayers against it? It must be someone really "tight" with the magic man in the sky.
AtheistAngel
(1 post)You have lost your mind. Do you think the kids who died had nobody praying for them? Do you think the homeowners weren't praying? I'm proud of her for having the spine to stand up to the religious bullying and rhetoric that everyone assumes is ok and that everyone has that view.
calimary
(81,198 posts)Glad you're here! Lapsed Catholic here. I respect your view and your viewpoint. I get to feeling really uncomfortable when religion is pushed on everything and everyone. Who's to say, REALLY, about what the true path is? I know I believe in one particular path. But that doesn't work or make sense to everyone.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Demo_Chris
(6,234 posts)truegrit44
(332 posts)welcome fellow atheist
BlueStreak
(8,377 posts)to get around to dealing with me."
But actually, what she said was just perfect. I am not sure I have ever heard that in such a circumstance. Indeed, most atheists really do show an enormous amount of deference to the prayer-based folks in times of great tragedy. This was an opportunity to put it back on the questioner without hurting any of the people who are still praying to the god that evidently just killed their children.
Stardust
(3,894 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)At least, I have.
BlueStreak
(8,377 posts)They have everybody brainwashed to babble their nonsense whenever they can't come up with something intelligent (or compassionate) to say. Sometimes there are no answers other than "How very sad and tragic this is. The survivors will have to move on without their loved ones."
But instead, the religions train their flock to say "The victims are in a better place." Well, actually no. They are dead. "Dead" is not a better place, but it happens to us all eventually. It isn't "if", it is only "how" and "when".
Denial is the choice that religious people make, and if that gets them through their time of grief, I have to live with that. But I don't have to live with them brainwashing our children in the schools and putting their nonsense on the media 24x7.
What we should be talking about is not why god killed some of his best supporters in Oklahoma. We should be talking about how we can get these confused people to stop voting for people who would deny emergency relief funds to others in their time of crisis, and those who work aggressively against all efforts to try to limit the progress of climate change. How come all these people who have a "personal connection with the lord" never seem to hear those messages when they talk with their lord?
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)So I suppose the 9 dead children didn't have anyone praying for them?
She gave the right answer but she could have gone further and told Wolf that she doesn't buy into the whole "Angry Sky God" thing.
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Mr Dixon
(1,185 posts)Quantess
(27,630 posts)stopbush
(24,395 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Stuckinthebush
(10,843 posts)Religion isn't logical
cprise
(8,445 posts)that you simply used the logic in a childish/immature way and so you are to be looked down upon for requiring even the most basic thinking skills when examining the topic. IOW, they never have to answer (to an atheist) for their beliefs because an atheist is just someone whose character you attack in response to a critical inquiry.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Maybe it proves that mankind has challenged the laws of nature that God-created by burning too much carbon fuels and depositing too much CO2 in our atmosphere.
Maybe God doesn't magically intervene. You'd think the creationists would see that if God is to be created with creating the world, then disasters and death must be part of his creation.
Nanjing to Seoul
(2,088 posts)produced a supercell with a corresponding rear flank downthrust. With the heating and rising of warm air in the cumulonimbus cloud, atmospheric conditions were perfect for the formation of a large Wedge Tornado out of the rear flank downthrust that grew into a mile wide due to humidity, heat and rotation.
Naaaah. . .God created it all! Scientific laws of climate, weather and physical geography mean nothing. God did it!
And the Easter Bunny lays colored eggs. Santa Claus brings presents. And the Tooth Fairy gave me a dollar for every tooth I lost as a kid.
Enough fairy tales!
defacto7
(13,485 posts)You use your mind too much. God has offered a way to relieve your anxiety over thinking! You no longer need to have the desire or responsibility to think! Your brain is the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. Your frontal lobes are of the devil. Stop trying to figure things out. Just """Believe""" and have """faith""". Thinking is not necessary beyond tying your shoes.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)God is those laws as far as I'm concerned.
In my view, "God" is the word we use to represent the force in the universe that is mysterious and not knowable to our meager consciousness. Nothing more. Nothing less.
The word "God" can represent a mythological humanoid or simply an energy -- the something that holds the universe together -- perhaps just natural laws.
But then because we are human we need to tie up the loose ends and explain where the natural laws come from, so we refer to "God." Others ascribe magical powers to "God." i ascribe natural power to "God." I happen to be a Unitarian.
I haven't thought about it as thoroughly as Emerson and Thoreau, but I suppose I tend toward their philosophical line of thought:
Nature and Its Meaning
Nature is the focal point for much transcendentalist thought and writing. As a theme, it is so central to the movement that Emersons cornerstone essay is entitled Nature and serves as an investigation into nature and its relationship to the soul. For transcendentalists, nature and the soul were inextricably linked. In the rhythms and seasons of the natural world, transcendentalists found comfort and divinity. In the increasingly industrialized and fragmented world in which they lived, the search for meaning in nature was of great importance. Emerson, Thoreau, Whitman, Hawthorne, Fuller, Melville, and others saw possibility, liberation, and beauty in nature.
Emerson writes in Nature, Let us interrogate the great apparition, that shines so peacefully around us. Let us inquire, to what end is nature? For Emerson, nature is a direct line to God, and its meaning is directly linked to Gods meaning. His definition of God and meaning is clearly different than that of the conservative Unitarian Church from which he split.
A follower of Emerson, Thoreau took ideas from Emersons work and put them into practice. He saw nature as not just an awe-inspiring force but a way of life. Thoreau offers up the following advice in Walden: Let us spend one day as deliberately as Nature, and not be thrown off the track by every nutshell and mosquitos wing that falls on the rails. For Thoreau, nature is pure because it is free from commercialization and industrialization. It is both a respite and a teacher. The transcendentalists were not reactionary or opposed to the modernization of the world; they were, however, concerned that such modernization could lead to alienation. Nature provided a way to keep humans in touch with their souls and with their spiritual foundations.
http://howlandpowpak.neomin.org/powpak/cgi-bin/article_display_page.pl?id=thomas.williams/american&ar=20
I am not a scientist. I simply was not educated to understand science as well as I understand other fields.
Nanjing to Seoul
(2,088 posts)Convectional formation of precipitation clouds are not mysterious. It's not God. It's simple Earth and Climate Science.
9th grade Earth Science students know this.
You're a Unitarian. I'm a pragmatist. Science explains more than God.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)view, "God."
jeff47
(26,549 posts)Every year, science figures out more and more about those natural processes and how they behave.
Doesn't that mean God is shrinking? Less and less around us is due to God, because more and more of it is due to "mundane" processes determined by science.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)or energy in the universe. In fact, I think science supports the concept of God. Take away the mythology from the concept of God and it is quite compatible with science. The mythology is human storytelling. I love it, but the concept of God is not limited to the mythology, to the Bible. The Bible is just one very ancient story or description of the energy or force that makes science, matter/energy function and exist.
Nanjing to Seoul
(2,088 posts)And I can explain things. And you can't.
Carlin said it best: "The God answer. The last vestige for a man with no thought and no ideas. God did it."
When will we put this superstition bullshit behind us. CONVECTIONAL CURRENTS ARE NOT GOD!!! The dinosaurs didn't believe in God. Neither do any other animals on the planet. Only humans do!
So much for an upper brain!
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)The world is too well organized to have just occurred at random. There is some energy, some force that unites it. You can call it science. I call it God. I think my concept better defines whatever it is. I am not questioning the validity of science. I am just saying it is not explanation enough.
Nanjing to Seoul
(2,088 posts)I'll trust provable, testable scientific methods and ideas.
You can trust your "I'll believe in some invisible father figure that can cause a tornado that causes death, but he loves us and wants what's best for us" malarkey.
End of discussion. I have no time for God people.
ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)intaglio
(8,170 posts)Or at least this quote is a fine statement of agnosticism
Next you say that ...
Next is a statement of an atheist ...
You qualify this with the statement that ...
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)I feel the presence of "God" in my life. The same God whose presence others feel in church. But I feel it everywhere in life.
austinlw
(54 posts)I believe there is a primal intelligence (for lack of a better term) in the universe that is behind the laws of math and physics. Humans often call this primal intelligence "God" or the "Universe" or "Allah" or whatever. Many folks imagine God in their own image. Some seem to believe that this God directs tornadoes to kill some specific humans, maim others, and allow others to be spared from injury. Same with war. I recognize that I don't know enough to know how much of this is true or untrue. However, what I observe and believe is true is that we humans are still at such an elementary stage of evolutionary development that we don't know enough to say much of anything definitive about God, the Universe, the Force, or whatever one wants to call IT. And in my view it takes more faith to be an atheist than to be anything else - particularly when confronted by self-sacrificing LOVE, like the firefighters and police running toward danger or a teacher shielding elementary students with their bodies. People can neither prove that this primal intelligence exists or doesn't exist. 2 people can look at the same event - 1 says it was caused by God, the other says it was caused by physical atmospheric forces. To me both can be true at once.
I also recognize that people often have a tendency to try to categorize others for their own purposes - atheist, agnostic, Christian, etc. It's simpler to stick a label on someone and put them on the shelf with others they have categorized likewise, so they can pretend to understand what's going on. So when someone says that this statement is agnostic, another is atheist, another something else, then says that means you're inconsistent with your own beliefs. NO, maybe their categories need to be reexamined because maybe the universe is full of paradoxes that we can describe but can't adequately explain due to the fact that we humans are fairly primitive critters.
By the way, the label that most accurately describes me is "panentheistic universalist".
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)intaglio
(8,170 posts)I said that your first statement of your beliefs was agnostic in nature by declaring the thing that might be deity to be unknowable.
You next assert that statements about god either describe a mythology or describe natural forces, I just pointed out that mythologies are not historic and natural laws and forces are not deities either.
Next you use an argument familiar to atheists that the term God is just a descriptive of unknown causes. You qualified this by assigning "natural power" to God which I countered with a talk that demonstrates there can be no such power. To put it another way a god of the gaps cannot influence the universe without putting out some energy and that energy is not there - there is no room for it and no way of generating it.
Now you qualify your belief further by stating that you feel the presence of "God" in your life but this leaves the question why does god only make itself apparent to so few people?
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Why don't you ask God? Just ask the universe. You might be one of the lucky ones and get an answer. That is what happened to me. I asked the question, and I got an answer.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)I believe that question has been addressed by the likes of Thomas Aquinas (Nicomachean Ethics), GK Chesterton (The Innocence of Father Brown), Alvin Plantinga (The Nature of Necessity), C.S. Lewis (The Problem with Pain), and a host of others... though the preceding list is a wonderful primer to better acquaint oneself with the fundamental premises given if that curiosity is sincere.
I'd imagine that Aquinas and Chesterton are likely available for no cost at Project Gutenberg. But again, that presupposes the question and the curiosity is sincere. They do however, presume that the reader knows the difference between evidence and proofs.
0rganism
(23,937 posts)Heavy reading in either case -- recommend interested parties set aside more than a weekend for it.
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)I have read Aquinas and Lewis, but had never heard of Chesterton. It is available as an ebook from Project Gutenberg. As a philosophy and Holmes fan, I'm looking forward to it!
skepticscott
(13,029 posts)What is the difference between "evidence" and "proofs"? And what is the difference between a "proof" and an argument made backwards from a preconceived conclusion?
defacto7
(13,485 posts)Sincerity? I won't even begin to tell you how utterly insulting that is for anyone to preface knowledge with a control mechanism that contradicts the search for knowledge and truth itself. The very staement "sincere curiosity" is insincere and manipulative.
I, as an atheist, am more sincere about the search for truth and the reality of existence than Thomas Aquinas, C.S. Lewis and hosts of others that have fallen for or have used the fatal idea of sincere curiosity as an instrument of torture and degradation of the human mind and spirit throughout history.
One is either curious or they are not. The above mentioned were never curious about truth or knowledge. They were justifying their dogma, steeped in centuries of myth and mental instability, securing it with the threat of death whether it be hell, physical or mental.
Tainting the vulnerable with being "sincere" about whether they can see what they are supposed to see... is insulting.
edit: and if this is all you have to unburden yourself of the responsibility for your beliefs, and the thought relieves you of your responsibility to us as humans, you are deluding yourself.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)GentryDixon
(2,949 posts)I told her none, as I did not believe in that stuff. I have to hand it to her. She recovered fairly quickly and carried on from there, but her first reaction was written all over her face.
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)...the admitting nurse asked me what religion to put on my bed card. I said, "None."
She had my dogtags that said 'Roman Catholic' and she asked, "Do you mean 'Decline to state'?"
"No," I told her. "Just put 'None.'"
GentryDixon
(2,949 posts)for a fainting couch, but was quite surprised.
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)He looked at my bed card and was unfazed. It was like he'd seen that many times before...
Half-Century Man
(5,279 posts)That military chaplains visiting the combat wounded find an overwhelming number of religious rejectors.
Kali
(55,007 posts)most of the door-to-door religionists probably hear about more athiests than even athiests do!
they are probably more used to it than anybody
Fuddnik
(8,846 posts)dogtags.
tomm2thumbs
(13,297 posts)where's all the 'follow the Constitution' folks when it comes to those kinds of issues... oh yea, they are all hiding out watching FoxNews all day & night, sucking on the teats of ignorance
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog_tag#U.S._Army
giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)my hubby & I got ahold of the dog tag machine & changed ours to Pastafarian. By the time word got around at least 75 ppl out of 250 had theirs changed.
My best friend also had it put in her will that her husband wasn't allowed to spend her life insurance $$ on hookers or strippers.
Anything to make someone squirm.
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)What a hoot!
And welcome to DU, giftedgirl77!
Stardust
(3,894 posts)MattBaggins
(7,901 posts)and had to argue with the Lima that it was in fact allowed by regulation.
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)Tab
(11,093 posts)The idea is that they want to know whether they should send a priest, a rabbi, or whatever (buddhist monk) to your room.
It used to piss me off that in the rare few minutes of sleep I would get, a priest would appear to "talk", and I would comment that I thought my religious preference was "none" and their response was that sometimes they would get that answer and send the priest anyways. I wasn't rude, but I wasn't receptive, and actually kind of pissed that my sleep - what little I was getting - was getting disturbed over something I thought was settled upon registration.
Blue Owl
(50,347 posts)n/t
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)DevonRex
(22,541 posts)Too close to call!!!
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)DevonRex
(22,541 posts)I think you're OK.
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)alp227
(32,015 posts)First Poppy Harlow/Steubenville, John King/the Boston bombings, now the Blitz/Oklahoma tornado.
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)your town and killed several children in the process?"
randome
(34,845 posts)What a poor excuse for a journalist.
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Dawgs
(14,755 posts)jimlup
(7,968 posts)pokerfan
(27,677 posts)Will use it in a discussion with theists on another forum.
tomm2thumbs
(13,297 posts)Blitzer was really over the top on how he asked that question.... pointed vs. inquiring. I think that little kid slapping him would have been better had he reached his face.
bwahahahaha
Enrique
(27,461 posts)well do you? Say it! Say it!!!!!
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)We're a surging demo.
neverforget
(9,436 posts)Stardust
(3,894 posts)whose it is...)
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)There is a gap between considering yourself a religious person or a religiously observant person and not believing in anything at all that is supernatural in nature, even "the Force."
Poll shows atheism on the rise in the U.S.
By Kimberly Winston| Religion News Service,August 13, 2012
Religiosity is on the decline in the U.S. and atheism is on the rise, according to a new worldwide poll.
The poll, called The Global Index of Religiosity and Atheism, found that the number of Americans who say they are religious dropped from 73 percent in 2005 (the last time the poll was conducted) to 60 percent.
At the same time, the number of Americans who say they are atheists rose, from 1 percent to 5 percent.
http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2012-08-13/national/35491519_1_new-atheism-atheist-groups-new-atheists
Still, you are correct about the direction in which things are trending.
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)I also think that the number of openly non-believing people is rising due to the Internet. People are realizing that millions of others agree that there is little basis for a belief in a deity, and they're coming "out" more.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)And I'm sick of the deference and fear towards Xians in this country. This is not and never has been a Xian nation so get the fuck over it. I wish all presidents would stop saying god bless America and all that crap. Enough already. Now they're trying even harder to make our schools teach bible bs and every time a politician says god bless America they give even more leeway to the evangelicals to think they should be doing what they do. I don't remember hearing it so much before Dubya was in office, Time to stop with the religious shit in public, especially in politics. Keep it at home and in church.
Gawd this pisses me off. Can you tell?
xtraxritical
(3,576 posts)I'm reading Jon Meacham's Thomas Jefferson The Art of Power 763 pages on Jefferson's and the US history. It is very clear that the founders were merely deferential to Christians. They had no real care for religion at all. Please read Thomas Paine's The Age of Reason. Jefferson edited the New Testament removing all the "miracles" and just keeping the words of Jesus. He threw out the Old Testament entirely. Madison encouraged the separation of church and state. Tbaggers are clueless.
SCVDem
(5,103 posts)would be the Native American belief in the importance of respecting the land and waters, the air and the wildlife which sustain us.
Nothing magical about any of that.
Don't foul the bed you sleep in!
truebrit71
(20,805 posts)surrealAmerican
(11,360 posts)Kudos to her for answering the way she did.
tomm2thumbs
(13,297 posts)You mean you DON'T THANK THE LORD FOR SAVING YOU FROM THE TORNADO HE SENT TO KILL YOU AND YOUR FAMILY?!!!
(sigh)
One day people will observe weather for what it is -- a fact of nature
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)tomm2thumbs
(13,297 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Stardust
(3,894 posts)enlightenment
(8,830 posts)(Having just watched the video) it's almost as if he was demanding a response.
Good for her, though it was obvious she was not thrilled to be backed into a corner.
tomm2thumbs
(13,297 posts)You DO believe it DON'T YOU?!!!
geeesh, what a piece of work Blitzer is
Whisp
(24,096 posts)WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)avebury
(10,952 posts)Her reply - "They need our prayers."
No Governor, they need assistance, temporary and long term, to get back on their feet. Prayers will not rebuild a house. Prayers will not put a temporary roof over your head, clothes on your body, etc. They need practical real life help.
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)Ask for mercy from the violent asshole who just hit you -- that's essentially what they're saying.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)decrepittex
(53 posts)I believe when I heard him say that my exact words were, "Yeah, I'm sure that will help." (with lots of sarcasm intended)
Prayers will not get it done.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)boilerbabe
(2,214 posts)Enrique
(27,461 posts)on the folkways of Oklahoma.
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)napkinz
(17,199 posts)For once, I'd like to hear one of these conversations.
So far, I've had no luck finding anything on YouTube.
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)... Is the answer often given to questions that can't be answered.
Ter
(4,281 posts)Why mention Christians?
marmar
(77,067 posts)pangaia
(24,324 posts)Well Said! Did I say, Well said?
Marr
(20,317 posts)What kind of bullshit is that? I'm always dumbfounded by expressions of faith after a natural disaster. It's odd to praise a being who just destroyed your home or killed a bunch of your neighbors. It's also the height of narcissism to say that all these others were killed but you were specifically spared.
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)"He" only gets praise for the good, never the blame for things -- sort of like the omnipotent Ferris Bueller.
tomm2thumbs
(13,297 posts)pay no attention to the man behind the curtain....
Nevernose
(13,081 posts)Though apparently he or she is willing to occasionally heal invisible maladies. Although, if God will heal invisible things, then why do people need health insurance? And why are his representatives on Earth need money to fulfill His will on Earth? Why is god omnipotent and all powerful, yet so bad with managing money?
HockeyMom
(14,337 posts)Actually, yes there were and they were very public on local NY Media. NATIONAL Media totally ignored them.
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)I don't rule out the possibility of there being a Goddess, but I don't fall on my knees and worship her, either. If She exists.
adieu
(1,009 posts)pile of rubble caused by "an act of God" that was the tornado would actually thank God for being alive? I'd be pissed as hell at God for tormenting the whole lot of us with a totally unnecessary tornado.
Thank God? Dafuq?
MNBrewer
(8,462 posts)And the female anchor said things like "That's what people of faith do." when talking about the donations of money and good pouring into the station for distribution to the people of Moore. She also, still gushing over how awesome the people of Oklahoma are said "First we get on our knees and pray, then we get up and ask what needs to be done."
This was the anchor! If OKC couldn't pray away the tornado I doubt even Pat Robertson himself could!
She's very brave to have publicly outed herself as an atheist, and I commend her.
Atheists and other seculars who want to donate to help but don't want it to go through religious organizations can consider donating here.
http://www.weareatheism.com/donate/atheist-giving-aid-oklahoma-tornado-relief/
Walk away
(9,494 posts)pets. This is good to know.
MNBrewer
(8,462 posts)"This one hits close to home. We are headquartered in Shawnee, KS, about 4.5 hours northeast of Moore, OK. Weve seen tornadoes. We know people that lived through the Joplin, MO tornadoes. We know people whose homes have been devastated by violent storms. What happened outside of Oklahoma City is nothing short of a natural disaster.
People have died, children gone, families ripped apart. At this time, others can pray if they want, but we want to help. These families and the citizens left there with no homes, will need help. We know the Red Cross is on hand. They serve a great purpose. However, a lot of their funds go to pay overhead. With us, your money goes right to those that need help. So, if you want to give money where you know it will go directly to someone in need, and NOT go through a religious source, then consider giving to Atheists Giving Aid. Whatever you can financially spare will allow our organization to get lives back to normal."
olddots
(10,237 posts)actually I hope he gets a clue
amuse bouche
(3,657 posts)I just love his thread
Wolfie is a moron
frylock
(34,825 posts)Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)It makes you think you did something.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Walk away
(9,494 posts)LittleGirl
(8,282 posts)I'd love to see her interviewed about Wolf being a 'dick'.
GiaGiovanni
(1,247 posts)Bill Maher, if your staff reads this board....
LittleGirl
(8,282 posts)We atheists need her to set the media straight. All this God stuff - thanking God for living? Please. Living through an act of nature is pure luck and eventually, none of us get out alive. sheesh
nolabear
(41,959 posts)She said she was an atheist but then said something to the effect that she didn't begrudge anyone turning to religion at such times. We could use more of that kind of attitude. As long as peoples' rights are not infringed upon, or innocents hurt, I can appreciate the need for comfort and control that gives rise to prayer and religious feeling. And yes, I'm an atheist.
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)She bravely declares her belief, but does not begrudge the faith beliefs of others or seek to disparage them. She was beautiful!
Blitzer, on the other hand--not so much.
nolabear
(41,959 posts)I've seen reporters genuinely moved but he looked to me like he was going for the money shot and got a face full of fail instead.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)It seemed as though she was, at first, going to let the remark go (as we all have done at some point), but his brainless pushiness invoked a wonderfully polite "I'm OK, thanks for asking" response.
I loved it.
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)Politicub
(12,165 posts)JI7
(89,244 posts)Enrique
(27,461 posts)they both did.
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)SCVDem
(5,103 posts)Allah saved her?
Heads would explode more than being an atheist.
Skittles
(153,142 posts)very bad
REP
(21,691 posts)She did great. He looked like an idiot.
liberalmuse
(18,672 posts)She should have told him she worshipped the devil and dined exclusively on toasted babies sprinkled with kittens. It would have gone better for her.
Cheviteau
(383 posts)Please hold your comments until we hear what Franklin Graham, Pat Robertson, and the Rev. Hagee has weighed in on the cause of all those tornados. They are, after all, the authorities on dogs reasons for doing such things.
Chemisse
(30,807 posts)It's disrespectful to presume that someone holds particular religious beliefs.
decrepittex
(53 posts)In this part of Texas that can and does happen. They just assume you are one of "them". It's the same with religion, with a church on every corner they assume you go to one of them. I've always wondered why so many churches are needed. Since Christians believe in one God, one Heaven, and one Hell, why can't they all get along? In my little dinky home town there are three Baptist churches in walking distance of one another.
Chemisse
(30,807 posts)So many churches, yet so much hate.
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)progressoid
(49,969 posts)Phillip McCleod
(1,837 posts)i love her! her laugh at the end is pure madness, but the look she has at the very end is something else.. pain it seems like.
demmiblue
(36,838 posts)I have to say, she is a pretty brave woman to admit her atheism on national TV (those righty-tighty Xians are a dangerous sort).
Bonus... she seems like a great mom!
LeftInTX
(25,224 posts)LostOne4Ever
(9,288 posts)Best part is that the rest of american can see that an atheist can be a completely normal loving mom! Her comment at the end was perfect!
JI7
(89,244 posts)Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)LadyHawkAZ
(6,199 posts)fishwax
(29,149 posts)JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)Apophis
(1,407 posts)So, by his logic, the people who didn't pray died?
I'm tired of Christianity being constantly shoved down our throats. Wolf Blitzer is a worthless tool.
defacto7
(13,485 posts)and god didn't give a shit.
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)I mean, come on, there are only so many hours in a day.
FrenchieCat
(68,867 posts)Guess all of the kool Kids journalists have collectively decided to stereotype OK residents as all religious,
and he's right there at the front of the line.
Does this media ever get anything right????
Freedom of the Press (to lie and whatever else) for these assholes is priceless....a la AP...
Freedom of religion for the rest of us.....apparently not so much!
JI7
(89,244 posts)it seems like he made an assumption about her beliefs based on where she is from. it is true that people there are more likely to be religious but even then wouldn't the best thing be to stay neutral and if they want to bring it up themselves they can. but don't assume such a thing about people. especially individual cases like this where he actually asked her if she thanked the lord.
ReRe
(10,597 posts)... what the eff business is it of his if she "thanked the Lord", or however he posed the suggestion? I was channel surfing and did catch him interviewing her. That baby, ("Anders" was it?,) was a doll and a delightful arm-full. I was really thinking it was a great interview by Wolf, until he made the religious remark.
Hey, Wolf... if God had anything to do with it, there would have been no tornado to begin with.
Jasana
(490 posts)Did she thank god for the tornado destroying her house?
Or did she just thank god for saving her life? What a jerk Blizter is.
She had brass ovaries for admitting she was an atheist in Oklahoma.
Jamaal510
(10,893 posts)It was foolish of Wolf to assume that the woman was a Christian when she is an Atheist, but come on...can't people on here just accept that others may choose to be religious without berating their beliefs? It is a form of binary thinking to group all religious people into one box and claim that all of us somehow lack the ability to use logic. Those nuts on the Right who are anti-science DO NOT represent all Christians. I repeat: they do not represent all Christians.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)alphafemale
(18,497 posts)Then get back to me about your persecution complex.
Astazia
(262 posts)"Well, we'll have to leave it THERE"
or "Thank you atheist...for that"
Anymouse
(120 posts). . . that the three tornadoes near my village (Broadwater, Nebraska, the first three of this outbreak) did not hit anything in the village.
As the one long haired hippie atheist socialistic village trustee on the village board, I proposed a more practical solution to the board for consideration on next month's agenda: building a community tornado shelter for our 128 people.
I have already survived one tornado (Liberty, Mo., May 4, 2003) because I had a safe room under my house, along with eight other neighbours that piled into my safe room. The house was destroyed.
Rather than trust in some supernatural power to protect my town in a tornado, I would rather the village board be proactive and build shelters, particularly since FEMA will finance much of the construction. We'll have to see though: there are a lot of people that object when the village clerk puts in a claim to buy paperclips.
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Laelth
(32,017 posts)-Laelth
SemperEadem
(8,053 posts)prayer doesn't hammer a nail into a board in order to build a frame so that one can rebuild their house... It doesn't unspin the atmosphere and make things go back to what it was before. All prayer does is make the pray-er feel like they've done something without having to bust a sweat. They supposedly leave it up to God to handle--never considering that perhaps God wants them to get off their behinds and take action instead of sitting back and feeling self satisfied for doing nothing.
riqster
(13,986 posts)Where a soldier says "we need a Satanist for our chaplain". When asked why, he said "Stands to reason. God is good, so he'll treat you right. It's the other guy you have to watch out for."
CBGLuthier
(12,723 posts)of the judgement of the religious.
Now I hesitate to say I am an atheist because I do not want to be associated with a bunch of narrow-minded bigots.
Mariana
(14,854 posts)to make you say such a thing? Why, exactly, do you think she's a narrow-minded bigot?
CBGLuthier
(12,723 posts)My error, I should have been clearer or responded to one of the actual bigoted posts.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)snooper2
(30,151 posts)Jokerman
(3,518 posts)Because I certainly do not want to be associated with anyone who would make such a ridiculous statement.
Walk away
(9,494 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)that even as an atheist, god has a plan for you, and is holding out the offer of salvation or somesuch until some point he 'hardens your heart' and leaves you to your fate, which is either 'apart from god', or as some of the more creative Christians think, tossing your ass in a pit of fire and brimstone forever.
I think they're full of shit, of course.
Dash87
(3,220 posts)People there need physical and emotional support, not people screaming at the sky for them.
merrily
(45,251 posts)any mention of God. Now, they seem to encourage it, if not insist on it. If my observations are correct, IMO, both those positions are wrong. But, if you have to err, maybe you should err on keeping news shows (or what passes for news shows these days) neutral as to matters that are not an integral part of the story.
And, no, religion is not an integral part of a news story about a tornado.
patrice
(47,992 posts)I hate these wars that get going on between different perspectives. Perhaps there are others who love them.
I hope you will consider staying a part of this kind of issue discussion, because you appear to be able to add a constructive element useful to BOTH sides of these questions.
merrily
(45,251 posts)expressing my honest opinion.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)Usually, media is trying to get them to cry or get angry or some such. It's ghoulish.
Manipulating emotions is no part of the job of professional reporter.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)Things certainly haven't gotten any better since 1982.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Ian_rd
(2,124 posts)Doesn't she follow the Pat Robertson?
CarrieLynne
(497 posts)its like "thanks for not killing me while u were killing all those other people'...sheesh
napkinz
(17,199 posts)Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)She said "we are here... and I don't blame anyone for thanking the Lord" with a smile on her face.
Certain DUers could learn something from how both parties handled this.
Roland99
(53,342 posts)Laelth
(32,017 posts)-Laelth
Deep13
(39,154 posts)...political or social issues are not real Christians? If they believe Jesus Christ died to save the world from sin, then they are real Christians.
Anyway, I hope she is rewarded for courage, and not punished for telling the truth.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)The automatic reflexive assumption that everyone is religious- or at least pays lip service to it- is offensive.
Coyotl
(15,262 posts)all those people praying in their bathtubs while knowing the tornado was going to hit their homes.
An atheist has enough sense to know you get the hell out of the way instead of praying. What could be simpler?
stuntcat
(12,022 posts)it's embarrassing.
Not that I can really stick up for PBS anymore, but on Newshour last night Judy W. fully grilled the OK governor Mary Fallin (edit:Republican) until she admitted she does NOT want schools mandated to be safe from storms like this.
Guess that would be government over-reach.
But turning to CNN all I get is cushy feel-good, or bitter sob stories. CNN's barely a step up from a 24hr Reality TV show.
Puzzledtraveller
(5,937 posts)Why does there have to be an ism?
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)Bear in mind that this entire incident occurred because Wolf was absolutely convinced the woman must have been praying and just wouldn't shut up about it, if that was not so then we wouldn't be having this conversation.
It's that automatic assumption that you absolutely must be religious that triggers the backlash against it and this one was pretty mild actually.
Newest Reality
(12,712 posts)Wolf's deadpan delivery, (is it the medication or does he think that emotions are unprofessional?) his hyperbolic poetry takes CNN across the Rubicon that used to divide it from Faux Newz. Sometimes he cracks me up with his use of adjectives and what seems like a lack of a thesaurus -- or is that just dumbing down for the sake of the audience?
Though, who knows were to separate the dancing puppets and bobble heads from the corporate specter grimacing behind the studio.
I don't watch it, (someone else I am around does) but the cable news has become more tabloid like and they certainly suffer from corporate OCD as they beat, hammer and suck a subject to death all day long. The older person I care for is getting a daily dose of things that he does not need to be so immersed in and I wonder how many people are impacted by the lack of wider and less sensational coverage they provide.