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I apologize that women had to witness this today but, in our land, our women have to see the same, the attacker said on camera after beheading a man on the streets of London. You people will never be safe.
It is believed there were two attackers who acted in coordination, killing one and wounding two more in the streets of London. The attackers were incapacitated after they assaulted police.
This violent act is being considered an Islamist terrorist attack by British authorities.
Video of attacker in link: http://www.mediaite.com/tv/bloodied-london-attacker-speaks-to-camera-after-beheading-you-people-will-never-be-safe/
randome
(34,845 posts)That is one messed-up dude.
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snagglepuss
(12,704 posts)Response to snagglepuss (Reply #3)
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Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)to have a practical use in defense. I used to view it as something I use to stay limber and keep toned.
Now, going to Europe twice a year....
randome
(34,845 posts)I sometimes imagine horrible things happening to my daughters so that when something horrible does happen, I can deal with it. Not quite the same thing but close.
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rl6214
(8,142 posts)Katashi_itto
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looking for a fight
rl6214
(8,142 posts)Katashi_itto
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in which to train, then have made a habit of going to Iaido training camps:
Here:
This is a great resource/organization to get involved with. I belong to it, as I practice Kendo too.
http://auskf.info/index.htm
One thing to keep in mind, is your participating in history. Kendo and Iaido are around 850 years old. Its both deadly and has artistry at the same time.
rl6214
(8,142 posts)Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)BeyondGeography
(39,369 posts)Taking one for the Middle Ages team.
Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)Trying to figure out if that guy was Nigerian...
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)sufrommich
(22,871 posts)tiny elvis
(979 posts)are these lunatic barbarians with imagined grievances?
unpretty homemade bombs are sickening cancer
mass produced bombs from the air are a policy dispute
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)Anyone care to guess the number of people in England who are responding to that little gem with some variant of "feel free to fuck right back off to your 'land' then, asshole."
Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)Or to put it more nicely, the legacy of colonialism. If you didn't want all those darkies and Pakis coming there, maybe you should have stayed out of their lands in the first place.
Also a result of British government policies of opening the metropole to the colonials after World War II. (I happen to be reading a history of cannabis in Britain right now; that post-World War II opening also ushered in the age of cannabis in the UK. The colonials brought their habits with them.)
nebenaube
(3,496 posts)Cannabis has been there a lot longer then that...
Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)The book looked at early arrest records; they were mainly Arabic and Asian seamen on shore leave.
coldmountain
(802 posts)Shrike47
(6,913 posts)I hadn't realized England was having a cannibal problem...
JHB
(37,158 posts)...and certainly not the now-deceased victim.
Skip Intro
(19,768 posts)tiny elvis
(979 posts)except in the euphemism for wog
Archae
(46,318 posts)The key word here:
Fundamentalism.
Warren Jeffs and his cult, Fred Phelps' "God hates fags" cult, Pat Robertson, and so on.
Fundamentalist religion.
I used to be in a Fidonet (pre-Internet) group called "Holysmoke," which was described as a "religious food fight."
But just look at the posters in that group, the ones who are/were obviously fundies.
http://www.holysmoke.org/sdhok/quotes.htm
http://www.skeptictank.org/hs/quotes.htm
Obviously, the 1rst Amendment lets fundies be fundies.
But it also lets me say they are divisive troublemakers.
former9thward
(31,981 posts)Fundies in this country are not beheading random people on the street. Why people think they have to turn logic into a pretzel to defend Islamic terrorists I don't know.
cigsandcoffee
(2,300 posts)Archae
(46,318 posts)Fundy Christian, who shot and killed Dr Tiller.
It doesn't matter what faith, or where they are.
Fundies cause trouble.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)4 years ago you can hang around the fundy christians?
whathehell
(29,067 posts)CJCRANE
(18,184 posts)There is a more interesting discussion to be had about stochastic terrorism and why extremist propaganda is allowed to proliferate...but it probably won't happen.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)but it's not really something that can be regulated - those who really want to will find a way to skirt the rules, the lines will be drawn in places that will no doubt piss off some group.
Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)Couple that with the fact that Scott looks like "regular people" and you can see how there's no comparison...
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)magical balance fairy thing I'm going to ask you the same question I asked above - do you have anything more recent than 4 years ago to hang on the fundy Christians and would you like to see a side by side list of atrocities done in the name of religion by fundy crazies? Why people here feel the need to dump on Christianity every time something like this comes up is beyond me. It's pathetic.
CJCRANE
(18,184 posts)Propaganda has an effect on susceptiable minds of all stripes.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)forced this cretin to cut off somebody's head?
CJCRANE
(18,184 posts)look at Nazi propaganda. Human minds are malleable and some weak people can be convinced to dehumanize others.
LuvNewcastle
(16,844 posts)mentally abusing their kids and encouraging bigotry against various kinds of people who aren't like them. You know, harmless stuff.
Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)Feel free to pretend that your brand of fundamentalist psychopathy is better than their brand of fundamentalist psychopathy if you like, but from where I sit they're all psychopaths and the world would be a better place without any of them.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)Only I see (once again) a story about islamic fundies being ridiculously compared to the crusades because some people here can't seem to bring themselves to dump on islam the same way they dump on christianity.
Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)now we're back to the crusades. Oh well, I've never been able to understand the passion for delusion. Carry on...
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)Different people are talking about different things. I asked for something more recent, somebody brought up the crusades (not me, that's a ridiculous comparison). Delusion is not seeing that the problem today is fanatical islam.
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)sexually active women, and ultimately, anyone who isn't them. Which in a sense could be considered a form of low-level terrorism.
And this isn't even getting into clinic bombers, hate vandals, gay bashers. Just because we may not have people literally beheaded in the street, over here, doesn't mean we don't have a problem.
Of course the man described in the OP is a psychopath, and a piece of shit. You really think anyone in their right mind is going to "defend" him? By that logic, I could flip it around ask you why you're defending fundie Christian assholes.
former9thward
(31,981 posts)There are many countries where sharia law applies and gays are hanged and women stoned. There is no country or state where fundies rule and gays are not being hanged and women stoned. That is reality.
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)But the fact remains that our own home-grown variety of fundie is far from harmless. Just look at what's happened in Oklahoma, Kansas, Mississippi, in recent years - in some ways it is scarily close to a Christian version of Sharia. You don't need to have people literally stoned or hanged, to have a form of theocracy. And all theocracies are inherently oppressive to their citizens/subjects.
Turborama
(22,109 posts)TIA.
Separation
(1,975 posts)A good portion of Africa, Iran, Afghanistan. Not sure about Saudi Arabia as I haven't heard a story come out of there on the subject lately.
Turborama
(22,109 posts)And none of them are "stoning women".
(Africa isn't a country, btw, and saying "a good portion of it" is too vague.)
The post said "many countries" doing both those things (a false anti-Islam meme that often crops up on DU), so far one country doing one of those things has been named.
*To clarify, I don't mean "only" as in it's ok because it's just 1 - 1 is too many. I mean only 1 as compared to "many".
Separation
(1,975 posts)The following are countries that find homosexuality punishable by death: Mauritania, Sudan, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Iran, Somalia, United Arab Emirates, Somalia, parts of Nigeria and parts of Malaysia
Turborama
(22,109 posts)And what is this source?
Here's one for you. There are no penalties for being gay in the largest Muslim country in the world.
Still nothing on women being stoned. Not surprising, but sad that DUers have to use such toxic lies to try and prove something.
whathehell
(29,067 posts)As a simple google search will tell you.
http://www.google.com/search?q=stoning+women+for+adultery&sitesearch=
Oh gee, and what do we have here? -- A report of a Saudi woman being recently beheaded for "Sorcery".
former9thward
(31,981 posts)I visited a stadium in Kabul in early 2002 where the women were taken and crowds from the city were ordered in to watch the "events". The Taliban will do it again when we leave.
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)and in the right way, of course. Sometimes they murder people who aren't of their ilk merely because they aren't of their ilk.
Tiller's killer, the Atlanta Olympics/abortion clinic bomber, that sort.
Pale Blue Dot
(16,831 posts)Niceguy1
(2,467 posts)As a group the there is no credible evidence to support your claims. American fundies don't even compare to the islamist radicals that are runnjng amuck right now.
whathehell
(29,067 posts)Downtown Hound
(12,618 posts)So you're right, they're not the same. They're actually much, much worse than Islamic ones.
whathehell
(29,067 posts)Even if true, "wants" don't count -- Actions do.
Keep trying, though.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)snagglepuss
(12,704 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)It's not a defense, it's simply pointing out that two wild-eyed lunatics murdering one guy for whatever insane fucking reason their waffles told them to take up that morning, are still just a pair of worthless, meaningless two-bit criminals in the face of people who enact lethal policies that affect hundreds of thousands, and do so under the pretext of "serving the people's interest."
Michelle Bachman's never lopped anyone's head off. She just wants other women to die from ectopic pregnancies, botched DIY abortions, and oh yeah, is a staunch pro-war, anti-medicine policymaker. Thus, she has - and exercises -the power to make it happen.
Skidmore
(37,364 posts)of Armageddon and not bat an eyelash. There is no difference. THe only difference is that here the state keeps a lid on it and does not actively sponsor fundamentalist religious claptrap although there has begun a rapid blurring of the church-state separation.
Puzzledtraveller
(5,937 posts)CJCRANE
(18,184 posts)Youtube and social networking makes it easier to spread extremist propaganda to susceptible minds.
Dreamer Tatum
(10,926 posts)galileoreloaded
(2,571 posts)you never want to see the real deal.
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)are more responsible for the difference, than choice of religion per se. For instance, see the activities of American Christian fundies in Uganda - one of the poorest, most conservative countries on Earth - where they've engaged in open, blatant hate-mongering in a way they mostly wouldn't get away with over here.
galileoreloaded
(2,571 posts)nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)Guys like Todd Akin, at their core, are as "primitive" and chauvinistic in the way they think, as any extremist imam. And I'm sure they wouldn't hesitate, given the chance, to impose their own wacko Christian version of Sharia.
JustAnotherGen
(31,810 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Saudi.
Say what you will about Saudi Arabia, but a lack of social cohesion and low living standards are not its problems.
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)And S.A. has one of the highest, if not the highest, wealth disparities in the world.
When I alluded to lower living standards and social unrest, I meant the Middle East as a whole. And I was suggesting that, under comparable conditions, American Christian fundies might behave in a similar fashion.
Quantess
(27,630 posts)I'll go try to find a good graphic or a link...
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)Which makes us all the more vulnerable to religious extremism, in my book.
Quantess
(27,630 posts)I wasn't trying to start an argument, I just wanted to see for myself. UAE must not be included on the same lists as the USA and other OECD countries...?
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)Quantess
(27,630 posts)listed anywhere in a gini coefficient. Oh, well, here's one anyway.
http://geo-mexico.com/?p=5044
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Mango40
(4 posts)Videos on Islamic Violence against women.flv
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=icNTs30ZRvQ&feature=endscreen
" target="_blank">Islamic Extremists Cut Girls Nose And Ears Off For Shaming
" target="_blank">pakistani woman who was gang raped in so called "honour" punishment
Somali woman, 20, stoned to death by Islamic militants after admitting affair with boyfriend
Muslims Assault Gay Man
Gay man injured in new D.C. bias attack by Muslims
Gender Specific Sharia Law: 500 Lashes and Stoning to Death
IRAN-IRAN: Activists condemn execution of gay teens
ANKARA, 25 July 2005 (IRIN) - Human rights groups the world over have strongly condemned the recent execution of two gay teenagers in northeastern Iran.
There are many other examples
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BeyondGeography
(39,369 posts)Enjoy your stay.
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)quinnox
(20,600 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Inquisition and crusades come to mind, just as witch hunts.
quinnox
(20,600 posts)Its cold fact, many modern day attacks and terror are perpetrated by fanatics who seem to be drawn to the Muslim religion today.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)On clinics no less, or gays, like Mathew Shepard.
Fanatics are horrid, no matter what day of the week they pray.
whathehell
(29,067 posts)Murders under cover of darkness, sure...Beheadings in broad daylight in the street?
Not so much.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)This armed, neo-Nazi, religious organization of White Supremacists are Christians who honor Nordic Jesus, Jewish Jesus not so much. They have killed people including little children in the past two decades. Look it up.
Spider Jerusalem
(21,786 posts)They aren't "drawn to" the Muslim religion; in most cases, they are Muslims, from historically and culturally Islamic societies. That's like saying the IRA were "fanatics who were drawn to the Catholic religion".
jessie04
(1,528 posts)You're saying Muslims attract terrorists?
Wtf?!
whathehell
(29,067 posts)The backward bend in the interest of pc points looks painful, not to mention embarrassing.
Libertas1776
(2,888 posts)leftynyc
(26,060 posts)but embarrassing works also. False equivalency sucks.
whathehell
(29,067 posts)CJCRANE
(18,184 posts)There are probably other examples. It's not my job to find them because I'm not here to knock down Christianity, just to point out that no culture has a monopoly on extremism.
whathehell
(29,067 posts)You've heard the term "false equivalence"?
CJCRANE
(18,184 posts)Christianity, America or the West.
And it's not false equivalence. Those are examples of atrocities justified by a combined religious and political motivation.
Islamic fundamentalism as we know it is a relatively knew phenomenon. It grew to prominence in the 80s. Before that terrorism in that part of the world was inspired by marxism and nationalism. And in the western world terrorism was political (marxist or fascist) rather than religious.
whathehell
(29,067 posts)CJCRANE
(18,184 posts)what's that going to achieve?
For instance...
What religious word did GWB use to describe the war on terror?
What did his supporters believe the war on terror and the Iraq War was really about?
What did a conservative General say about the war on terror?
What did George Bush say to President Chirac about who or what motivated him to start the Iraq War?
You see, it doesn't really achieve anything to dehumanize one side or the other. When you let the extremists make you angry against a whole group of people you become a pawn in the game of divide and conquer.
whathehell
(29,067 posts)The fact is, you really can't. Sure, there are a few murdering, off the wall Christians in this
and other countries, but the numbers and the brutal "means" just don't equate.
Saying that one is attempting to "dehumanize" one side or another" for pointing that out
just seems silly. Facts are facts.
CJCRANE
(18,184 posts)If you answered the questions I posed you would see what I'm getting at.
The majority of GWB's supporters are fundie christians who supported the war on terror and the Iraq War as a religious war. Many of the abuses in Guantanamo and Abu Ghraib were religion-based.
During the Bush era I read a poll which said 85% of troops in Iraq believed Iraq was behind 9/11. I've read interviews where they believed they were their to avenge 9/11 and many of them thought it was a war against Islam, see General Boykin for example.
The problem is propaganda that dehumanizes people on both sides. Don't fall into that trap.
whathehell
(29,067 posts)and the answers to your questions, while easy, don't support your claim.
To believe that the "majority" of GWB's supporters were "fundie christians" you must be under the delusion
that a little more than HALF of the US population (the number that re-elected him in '04) were "fundie christians".
Sorry, bro, but that's delusional. The number of "fundamentalist christians" in this country is nowhere NEAR that high.
Yes, I know idiot Bush called the Iraq War a "crusade", but no one besides bin Laden and a few crazed fundies
here ever believed that. Most of us believed it to be about either oil, terrorism, or both.
The fact that 85 percent of troops in Iraq believed Iraq was behind 9/11, speaks to ignorance of facts,
not religious indoctrination, your infinitesimal number who believed it was a "war against Islam", not withstanding.
I hardly need a "warning" regarding propaganda as I'm a senior citizen who has seen, heard, and
lived more history, American and otherwise, than you can probably imagine.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)The sectarian violence by Islamic fundamentalists on both sides has been a constant battle - with outright pitched battles buttressing low level terrorism on both sides in between.
Then there are periods such as the Ottoman empire where the fundamentalist terrorism and level of atrocity are notoriously well documented.
All of this is religious - certainly nothing to do with Marxism or nationalism.
And FWIW, I'd quibble also with your categorization of "western world" terrorism as either marxist or fascist solely... The American revolution was certainly sparked by (what the British termed) terrorist episodes like the infamous Tea Party in Boston Harbor... The French revolutionaries could also equally be labelled terrorists and they certainly were not motivated by Marx. Eric Rudolph was motivated by the Christian religion - and there are others but I'm too weary to actually expend a whole lot of brain power on it. Suffice to say there are other counter examples to your statement that solely marxist or fascist imho.
I will say however that in recent history, it really seems as though Islamic fundamentalist terrorism against the "west" appears to be in its own class lately in the frequency and brutality of the attacks.
CJCRANE
(18,184 posts)If we go back into history there's a lot of blame to go round. The crusades, the conquistadors, the inquisition etc.
And somehow to forget the people who supported the Iraq War as vengence for 9/11 shows your blind spot. There is a whole base of fundamentalist christians who believe the war on terror is a religious war.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)I don't dispute your point that there's blame on all sides. That wasn't what I was quibbling about. My post was about the motives you were assigning to the roots of the violence.
I was disagreeing with your point that Islamic terrorism is/has been primarily Marxist or nationalistic. Or that western terrorism has been motivated primarily by fascism or marxism.
I have no idea if its true that fundies believe the war on terror is a religious war (do you have a link for that?), or that people who supported the Iraq War were motivated primarily by vengeance for 9/11, but those two examples disprove your very own position from post #70.
CJCRANE
(18,184 posts)"The Mujahideen" was created in the 80s in Afghanistan to fight the Soviets.
Before that arab terrorists were mostly influenced by socialist and secular ideas (during the 20th century).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_nationalism
"Personalities and groups associated with Arab nationalism include Egyptian leader Gamal Abdel Nasser, the Arab Nationalist Movement, Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi, the Arab Socialist Ba'ath Party which came to power in Syria and Iraq for some years, and its founder Michel Aflaq. Pan-Arabism is a related concept, in as much as it calls for supranational communalism among the Arab states." My bold.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan-Arabism
" Its popularity was at its height during the 1950s and 1960s.Advocates of pan-Arabism have often espoused socialist principles".
jeff47
(26,549 posts)Wanna talk about the Christians slaughtering gays in Africa? Or does that not count because it's in the 'wrong' part of the world?
LuvNewcastle
(16,844 posts)in America exporting their bigotry. Also, there's no telling how many gay teens have committed suicide because of bigoted fundy teachings taught to them and their peers. The equivalency isn't false; we could sit around all day discussing what Christian fundy bigotry is doing around the world. American fundies cause just as much misery as Islamic fundies, they just don't set off bombs, at least not usually.
whathehell
(29,067 posts)"American fundies cause just as much misery as Islamic fundies, they just don't set off bombs, at least not usually".
No, and you're unlikely to catch them cutting off heads in the middle of the street, either.
Try again.
LuvNewcastle
(16,844 posts)as much damage as bombs set off by Muslims. Fundies mentally abuse their kids and are major contributors to homophobia and misogyny in America and around the world. And they are currently causing deaths in other countries, most notably in Africa, where they've encouraged hate and murder.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021975645
These things aren't just happening every few years and they aren't just limited to America. Most of what the fundies do is mental abuse, but that abuse most certainly has physical consequences. The Christian fundy ideology is toxic, and the only reason they're more passive is because they're accustomed to being limited by American laws.
whathehell
(29,067 posts)You really think that the "mental abuse" of some fundies is on par with getting your HEAD CUT OFF?
Sorry, but when you have to go all the way to Africa to find a traditionally Christian country whose practice
of mysogyny and homophobia could even COMPARE, let alone surpass, that of Muslim countries, you know you're
in trouble.
LuvNewcastle
(16,844 posts)Mentally abused people often act out physically. The Southern states, where fundy religion has the biggest foothold, have high rates of crime, poverty, and ignorance. MS and LA have the most gun crime in the country. But I guess that's okay since our rednecks didn't decapitate anybody like the evil Muslims did.
whathehell
(29,067 posts)and that, in itself, is kind of funny.
Sorry, bro, it will probably take a few years, but you'll need to learn how to to quit while you're ahead.
whathehell
(29,067 posts)whathehell
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jeff47
(26,549 posts)Yeah, sure. That's entirely believable.
Oh, and was Africa the wrong part of the world, or do you just not give a damn about dead gays?
whathehell
(29,067 posts)A. I answered twice.
B. I never said it was "unimportant".
C. If YOU really gave "a damn about 'dead gays', not to mention 'dead women',
You'd do some research on the the number of executions
of members of both of these groups in Muslim countries. .
jeff47
(26,549 posts)Your claim is that people are being "politically correct" by not only attacking Islamic fundamentalists.
When people point out Christian fundamentalists doing the same thing, you now call them "desperate".
That's a really, really pathetic attempt at defending your claim.
whathehell
(29,067 posts)post # 105, you'll see that I said this:
"Sure, there are a few murdering, off the wall Christians in this
and other countries, but the numbers and the brutal "means" just don't equate".
Please come back when you learn to think critically and argue intelligently.
A battle of wits with an unarmed opponent is kind of boring. See ya.
Democracyinkind
(4,015 posts)Which means - by the logic you use - that Islam has about 100 years left to stop being associated with beheadings in order to keep the comparative moral high ground.
whathehell
(29,067 posts)I'm sure the families of their victims will be relieved to learn that.
Donald Ian Rankin
(13,598 posts)CJCRANE
(18,184 posts)There's an element of the stochastic influence of extremist propaganda on the internet, on youtube and social networking sites
We saw it happen with Anders Breivik and the Boston Bombers. This is probably another example.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)But extremism dependent.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)And by "desperately," I mean "bootstrap your asses into the 21st Century or you risk being so incompatible with the rest of the world that genocidal conflict becomes inevitable."
CJCRANE
(18,184 posts)and moderates...but something else has sprung up to hijack it...
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)I remember when the Arab Spring was first getting under way (or at least when the Western press first started covering it). I remember thinking, "this is it...the Islamic Reformation is beginning." Instead, because these movements were in opposition to the existing political power structures (which were often comparatively secular), they tended to get co-opted by regressive Islamist groups who were also in opposition to those regimes.
roamer65
(36,745 posts)arely staircase
(12,482 posts)nt
CrawlingChaos
(1,893 posts)Terror begets terror. The West commits massive terrorism against the Muslim world year after year, then acts surprised when this inspires retaliatory terrorist acts. Your conclusion: it must be the fault of Islam.
That actually makes sense to you?
Donald Ian Rankin
(13,598 posts)CrawlingChaos
(1,893 posts)I'm not surprised you did not expound.
Donald Ian Rankin
(13,598 posts)The west isn't doing anything that could remotely be called terrorism.
What it is doing is a) fighting against evil Muslim fanatics, with the support of the democratically-elected governments of most of the countries involved, but arguably with less concern for collateral damage than it should (although killing far fewer people that the death tolls suggest) and b) failing to prevent evil Muslim fanatics perpetrating terrorism and murder on a huge scale against other Muslims and blaming the west for their crimes (which is why the civilian death tolls in Iraq and Afghanistan are so high, not because the West is killing people).
If you want to retaliate against people for the bloodshed, you should be targetting the Muslim groups responsible, not the West.
CrawlingChaos
(1,893 posts)At this point, it's almost surreal to encounter someone spouting these Bush-era fantasies of good and noble bringers of Western democracy vs. crazed Muslim evil-doers. But I certainly understand the nature of your comments now.
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)is indeed terrorism.
The fruit of U.S.-committed terrorism looks like this:
Donald Ian Rankin
(13,598 posts)Terrorism means "deliberately killing people with the goal of inspiring terror".
No accident, no matter how tragic or how negligent, is ever terrorism.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Is that every single time, it's the same cast of DU players who are jumping around pumping their junk like apes discovering astroglide, about how fucking awful Muslims all are.
I guess it's been a month and a half, overdue for DU's monthly descent into becoming Stormfront for a week.
4Q2u2
(1,406 posts)I was so hoping to blame some other radical group other than the one that did this. Kind of like DU did for the Boston Bombings.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)Poll_Blind
(23,864 posts)...video footage including at least one "interview" with an attacker.
Very odd.
PB
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)the victim hasn't been identified, either...
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)but both are being treated at the hospital so they have been caught.
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)But of course, Islam cannot be culpable.
Fgiriun
(169 posts)how such a barbaric event perpetuated by religious extremists which are generally conservative will assist in bringing about resentment and further advance the conservative agenda.
CJCRANE
(18,184 posts)The rest of us are caught in the middle.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)Chilling. They literally butchered this guy with meat cleavers and knives and then waited for the police to arrive, who shot them, not fatally.
asjr
(10,479 posts)read it it sounded as if the London attacker spoke after he was beheaded. When I first read it I also thought it was going to be a funny. It is far from that.
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)However, many people are shot and killed almost every day on the streets of Baltimore
Amonester
(11,541 posts)Ever ALL stop?
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)roamer65
(36,745 posts)I have no problem with the execution of the perpetrators of this crime. I favor the death penalty in extremely rare circumstances, but this would be one of them.
But in Britain, it won't happen.
tabasco
(22,974 posts)Let's start with these two!
roamer65
(36,745 posts)whathehell
(29,067 posts)Just a little too general. .
roamer65
(36,745 posts)Google them. Makes me pretty much think the goal of these scumbags was to fire up the EDL and get riots going.
EDL = English Defense League (far right extremists)
MADem
(135,425 posts)ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)Marr
(20,317 posts)I don't know if they were just insane, or insanely devoted religious crusaders, but they didn't do their people any favors here, that's for sure.
tiny elvis
(979 posts)one is to (kill) them all
the other involves living peacefully within our means
malaise
(268,930 posts)Are attacks in Muslim countries by Western powers described as Christianist?
History teaches us that 'every little action brings a reaction'!!
LuvNewcastle
(16,844 posts)I do remember a certain U.S. official using the word "crusade" after 9/11.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8950282
malaise
(268,930 posts)These folks always need some aggressive ideology to hide the real agenda - looting resources wherever. The so called Communist threat was over and their amorphous use of the word terrorism was a lovely gift box for 'next on the agenda' .
They created the fuel for this very profitable fire.
whathehell
(29,067 posts)one dumb president's use of the word ONCE.
LuvNewcastle
(16,844 posts)have died in Iraq. Dubya's a fundy, too.
whathehell
(29,067 posts)They're dead, but not due to religion, as I've shown.
LuvNewcastle
(16,844 posts)you've just posted smilies. American fundamentalism and deaths in our overseas adventures are most certainly related. You'd know that if you'd ever attended a fundy church a listened to their sermons like I did as a boy. They garbage they spew directly affects who those people vote for and the wars they support, on t.v. and in church pulpits. But I'm sure I'll be treated to another of you're one-line denials and a smilie again.
whathehell
(29,067 posts)Sorry, dear..I think we can all see that you've been badly affected by your Fundy upbringing,
and that you're frustrated and angry that you can't convince me that every evil can be attributed to it,
but I can't do psychotherapy or remedial education, so, I'll have to welcome you to the big I list and one more smilie.
Have a nice day.
n2doc
(47,953 posts)People die from accidents, from random acts of senseless violence, from all sorts of things. Keep Calm and Carry on. The British have seen far, far worse than the actions of these fuckheads.
Fire Walk With Me
(38,893 posts)that the neocon/Military-Industrial Complex system actually =want= to create resentment and enemies to continue funding their power grab.
Want an endless war budget? You're going to need endless war. That requires endless, unexpected enemies.
LuvNewcastle
(16,844 posts)When communism fell in the USSR, I remember wondering how the world would be changed. I remember people talking about a "peace dividend" at that time. We managed to turn a cold war into a hot war, and now we're on the brink of a world war and economic collapse. After all this time, it looks like we were our own worst enemy. It would be funny as hell if it wasn't so pathetic.