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babylonsister

(171,092 posts)
Wed May 22, 2013, 06:26 PM May 2013

Harry Reid escalates `nuclear’ threat

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2013/05/22/harry-reid-escalates-nuclear-threat/


Harry Reid escalates `nuclear’ threat

By Greg Sargent, Published: May 22, 2013 at 4:02


Harry Reid and Mitch McConnell have been slugging it out on the Senate floor today over Reid’s threat to revisit filibuster reform, and the escalating tone suggests this is now very real. Pay close attention to the statement Reid released today about their exchange:

Today, Senator McConnell defended the status quo of gridlock and obstruction in Washington, saying ‘there is no real problem here.’ I could not disagree more. Senator McConnell may choose to ignore it, but the problem of gridlock in Washington is real and it needs to be fixed.

Presidents — be they Republican or Democratic — deserve to have the people working for them that they choose. The Senate’s role is to advise and consent. But Republicans have corrupted the Founders’ intent, creating an unreasonable and unworkable standard whereby the weakest of rationales is often cited as sufficient basis for blocking major nominees. Due to Republican obstruction, the de facto threshold for too many nominees to be confirmed has risen from a simple majority to a supermajority of 60 votes. On judicial nominees, Republicans’ obstruction is equally unprecedented…There is no reason to delay qualified nominees for so long except delay itself, and it is little wonder we have a judicial vacancy crisis in this country
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Despite the agreement we reached in January, Republican obstruction on nominees continues unabated. I want to make the Senate work again – that is my commitment.


This statement is wholly focused on GOP obstruction of judicial and executive branch nominations. It excoriates the current GOP-created 60-vote threshold for nominees as unacceptable, and pledges to do something about it.

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Indeed, as Sahil Kapur notes, if the GOP blocks those nominations, the pressure on Reid to press the button will get very intense indeed. Major Democratic constituencies (labor, environmentalists) have a big stake in these nominees, and the consumer protection bureau represents a major component of one of Obama’s signature domestic initiatives — Wall Street reform.

By the way, all of this could have very far reaching implications indeed. As Jonathan Chait notes today, Obama and Republicans are headed for a major showdown over climate change this summer, one focused on his pending plan to curb carbon emissions from existing power plants. And the battle could unfold in the D.C. Circuit Court, where Obama has not yet filled vacancies. Republicans will filibuster any efforts to do that.

At any rate, given today’s public statements from Reid, if the current level of GOP obstructionism continues, it’s hard to see how he has room to not make good on his threat to hit that button.


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Harry Reid escalates `nuclear’ threat (Original Post) babylonsister May 2013 OP
We've been down this road so many times, I need to replace my tires. winter is coming May 2013 #1
Well stated! Katashi_itto May 2013 #25
thanks babylonsistah! Cha May 2013 #2
Earlier it was said that Reid BACKED DOWN. Mr. David May 2013 #3
Harry Reid does whatever is good for Harry Reid. Screw everyone else. Swamp Lover May 2013 #4
I Will Have To See The Mushroom Rising, Ma'am, Before I Believe.... The Magistrate May 2013 #5
Ha! Just remember, The Magistrate, babylonsister May 2013 #6
I Hope It Is True, Ma'am The Magistrate May 2013 #8
I'll wait until Mitch McConnell grows webbed feet and glows. nt geek tragedy May 2013 #10
2009 was the time. It's pointless now. MrSlayer May 2013 #7
harry, do it or shut the f *ck up spanone May 2013 #9
do it or shut the f *ck up Flashmann May 2013 #29
Mitch McConnell Loses His Mind and Accuses Harry Reid of Intimidating Him Tx4obama May 2013 #11
That is absolutely ridiculous! nt octoberlib May 2013 #14
I think Harry will do it! RandiFan1290 May 2013 #12
Believe it when I see it. MNBrewer May 2013 #13
Reid appears to back away from 'nuclear option' on filibusters MNBrewer May 2013 #21
Whats the point? Once you open that door, the Republicans will use it next time they are in power. TampaAnimusVortex May 2013 #15
like repubs give a crap about what dems think/want. only dems grovel to their opposition nt msongs May 2013 #16
According to the history - neither side has violated it yet. TampaAnimusVortex May 2013 #17
If we changed the rules it would mean the Republicans can't filibuster everything. Dragonfli May 2013 #20
Just remember though - the end to obstructionism can work both ways. TampaAnimusVortex May 2013 #31
The point that you miss is, when we are in the minority we don't use the filibuster Dragonfli May 2013 #32
What are you talking about? Prior to Obama, it was used by Ds all the time... TampaAnimusVortex May 2013 #35
If Dem's could actually govern they way we want them to, Volaris May 2013 #34
What's the point? Are you kidding? demwing May 2013 #27
http://www.politicususa.com/lois-lerner-pleads-fifth-republicans-hysterical.html wilsonbooks May 2013 #18
nuclear milktoast ? not really very frightening Dragonfli May 2013 #19
He'll get rid of the filibuster after Republicans have DevonRex May 2013 #22
Now it's real? GeorgeGist May 2013 #23
Harry Reid is an empty suit, unworthy of any trust or confidence. (nt) Paladin May 2013 #24
I'm tingling with anticipation... oh, wait, my foot's just asleep JHB May 2013 #26
Either shit or get off the pot Reid liberal N proud May 2013 #28
Again? kentuck May 2013 #30
Ooh. Really? cherokeeprogressive May 2013 #33
I notice this thread gets bumped to page 1 everyday; For laughs I suppose. byeya May 2013 #36

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
1. We've been down this road so many times, I need to replace my tires.
Wed May 22, 2013, 06:30 PM
May 2013

I'll believe it when it actually happens.

 

Swamp Lover

(431 posts)
4. Harry Reid does whatever is good for Harry Reid. Screw everyone else.
Wed May 22, 2013, 06:35 PM
May 2013

If Reid ever made a right call, it is likely an error.

babylonsister

(171,092 posts)
6. Ha! Just remember, The Magistrate,
Wed May 22, 2013, 06:40 PM
May 2013

you heard it here first! I have no choice but to hope he finds his spine.

 

MrSlayer

(22,143 posts)
7. 2009 was the time. It's pointless now.
Wed May 22, 2013, 06:40 PM
May 2013

When "we" had the House and the Senate, "we" should have rolled right over those sons of bitches and enacted the most progressive legislation EVER. Really rolled back the Reaganism. But no, instead they enacted a bunch of Republican bullshit that the Republicans wouldn't even vote for.

Fuck you Reid.

Tx4obama

(36,974 posts)
11. Mitch McConnell Loses His Mind and Accuses Harry Reid of Intimidating Him
Wed May 22, 2013, 06:49 PM
May 2013


Mitch McConnell Loses His Mind and Accuses Harry Reid of Intimidating Him

Here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251307457

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Btw, 18 of the 19 judicial nominees were ones that the GOP blocked in Obama's first term.

Some of them were blocked for over a year!

There has been only ONE nominee that was 'originally' nominated in 2013 that has been confirmed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_federal_judges_appointed_by_Barack_Obama

RandiFan1290

(6,244 posts)
12. I think Harry will do it!
Wed May 22, 2013, 06:54 PM
May 2013

Just in time for the dems to lose the Senate and his friends on the right will use it as an excuse to continue the rule change. Just another game to let the right get their way.


TampaAnimusVortex

(785 posts)
15. Whats the point? Once you open that door, the Republicans will use it next time they are in power.
Wed May 22, 2013, 08:31 PM
May 2013

Its a short term win at best. Be careful what you ask for, it might come back to haunt you later.

TampaAnimusVortex

(785 posts)
17. According to the history - neither side has violated it yet.
Wed May 22, 2013, 08:45 PM
May 2013

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_option

Both sides have used it as a hammer mind you, but no side has actually pulled the trigger yet.

Even the article makes note of it being used in retaliation.

the metaphor of a nuclear strike refers to the majority party unilaterally imposing a change to the filibuster rule, which might provoke retaliation by the minority party.


Again, do you really want to let Pandora out of the box?

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
20. If we changed the rules it would mean the Republicans can't filibuster everything.
Wed May 22, 2013, 11:19 PM
May 2013

All it would mean to the Democratic leadership is if used against us, we wouldn't have to refuse to filibuster to "keep our powder dry", it's not like Harry will use the damned thing if we regained the majority.

What exactly are we supposed to fear here? The end to never ending obstruction?
You do realize there are no actual nuclear weapons being used here don't you?

TampaAnimusVortex

(785 posts)
31. Just remember though - the end to obstructionism can work both ways.
Fri May 24, 2013, 01:34 PM
May 2013

What happens when the republicans have all 3 branches again and you don’t have so much as a filibuster to slow things down. All I am saying is that these swords have 2 edges, you appear to only be looking at the one that seems handy to you at the moment.

Besides, I'm not sure what it is you think your going to get passed in the senate by a simple majority that wouldn’t get shot down in the house under it's current ownership.

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
32. The point that you miss is, when we are in the minority we don't use the filibuster
Fri May 24, 2013, 11:23 PM
May 2013

They not only use it but abuse it beyond all recognition making every single vote require sixty. you also miss the obvious pointed out already, the house doesn't have squat to do with confirmations so they are irrelevant to a large part of the abuse and obstruction, important posts are not being filled unless they are Republican friendly stooges we give them to get any damned one approved.

Your two edged sword is blunt on one side, compare filibuster records between the parties, we use a butter knife they use a razor.

TampaAnimusVortex

(785 posts)
35. What are you talking about? Prior to Obama, it was used by Ds all the time...
Sat May 25, 2013, 05:02 PM
May 2013

I'm not sure where you are getting your data, but see this graph.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/post/the-history-of-the-filibuster-in-one-graph/2012/05/15/gIQAVHf0RU_blog.html

As you can see, after 1975 - when the rules were changed and cloture was reduced from 3/4ths to 60 votes... up until Obama, democrats had the lead in using the filibuster. Yes, Rs just took the lead recently, and they used it aggressively under Obama - but don't pretend for a second that Ds rarely used it.

Again, be careful about what you ask for. As we see from history and the facts... that sword is indeed sharp on both sides.

Volaris

(10,274 posts)
34. If Dem's could actually govern they way we want them to,
Sat May 25, 2013, 02:04 AM
May 2013

it would be a VERY long time before the GOP controlled all three branches again...and even if it were not the case that I'm right, can you see a GOP Congress voting to repeal something like Single-Payer, or even Public Option Healthcare after a Dem Majority passed it with only a simple majority, and then let it actually WORK for say, 6 years?

NO WAY. It would be the 30-year-cycle equivalent of the GOP trying to impeach Clinton. It would fuck them as a national party for 50 years, and given the shifting demographics numbers, McConnell damn-well knows this.

Yes, I want this done. I'm PISSED that Harry didn't do it in January.

 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
27. What's the point? Are you kidding?
Thu May 23, 2013, 08:22 AM
May 2013

Do you think the Republicans will NOT eliminate the filibuster if they ever get the Senate back?

The point is to do as much good as possible, while possible, before we lose the Senate (it will happen eventually).

DevonRex

(22,541 posts)
22. He'll get rid of the filibuster after Republicans have
Thu May 23, 2013, 12:25 AM
May 2013

beaten Democrats up so much that there's no hope whatsoever of getting a liberal agenda through. Either that or he'll wait and do it right before he hands the Senate back over to Republican control. That's how much confidence I have in Harry Reid, who proudly said he doesn't work for Obama in January 2009 and said Obama had to go slow with his agenda. Thanks Harry.

JHB

(37,162 posts)
26. I'm tingling with anticipation... oh, wait, my foot's just asleep
Thu May 23, 2013, 08:21 AM
May 2013

I think the rest of me will join it. Not likely to miss Harry's show, just his endless warm-up.

liberal N proud

(60,346 posts)
28. Either shit or get off the pot Reid
Thu May 23, 2013, 08:45 AM
May 2013

What a waste of breath to yet again lay down a false threat.

If Reid had a backbone (I was told BALLS wasn't a good word for this) he would have already implemented the rule change.



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