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Faryn Balyncd

(5,125 posts)
Thu May 23, 2013, 10:26 AM May 2013

Houston oncologist exposes the lies of Big Pharma :






More than 100 leukemia experts from around the world have signed an opinion piece objecting to the high prices of cancer drugs. The letter appeared in a prominent medical journal and was drafted by Dr. Hagop Kantarjian, the head of the leukemia department at MD Anderson Cancer Center.





....The initial decision to speak out was we were developing three drugs for chronic myeloid leukemia and all three got FDA approval in 2012. But, to our surprise, all three came with a price exceeding $100,000 a year. Now one would think this has been ongoing with us for the longest time, but the reality is cancer drug prices used to be on average under $5,000 a year before 2000. And now they’ve jumped to over $100,000. So there’s a ten-fold increase in the price of cancer drugs over the past 10-15 years. And this has sneaked up on us gradually on us without anyone noticing, but we have come to a boiling point.

....They say it reflects the cost of development. And there’s the myth that it costs about $1 billion to bring a new drug to the market. The reality is that the cost of bringing a new drug to the market is probably 10 percent of that value, or less than $100 million. Well then they say we let the free-market economy take care of settling the drug prices. In the case of patented drugs, it does not seem that market competition is settling the drug prices at reasonable values. For example, in chronic myeloid leukemia there are now five drugs that do the same thing. And yet all of them are priced at $90,000 to $130,000 per year.

If cancer research is paid 80 percent by taxpayers’ money, and if most of the discoveries in cancer drugs are made in the United States, why is it that the U.S. patient pays almost twice the price of a cancer drug as they pay in Europe? . . . In lung cancer, in prostate cancer, in cancer of the bladder, in renal cancer, in melanoma. In all of these disciplines, the cancer drugs prices are coming routinely now at over $100,000 a year. I cannot find any reason for the run-up in the cancer drug prices except corporate profits.



http://app1.kuhf.org/articles/1369153808-Why-A-Houston-Leukemia-Doctor-Is-Calling-Out-Drug-Companies.html














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Houston oncologist exposes the lies of Big Pharma : (Original Post) Faryn Balyncd May 2013 OP
"Shut up and eat your meds, you whiney proles." - Big Pharma, Inc. (R) Berlum May 2013 #1
Wrong. Warpy May 2013 #9
But then... who will purchase these god nuggets? question everything May 2013 #20
And studies have shown that they spend more in marketing than they do in drug development. SharonAnn May 2013 #23
Too much marketing on tv. LiberalFighter May 2013 #45
I woke up with a thought this morning, WHEN CRABS ROAR May 2013 #24
When we see ourselves as already dead. RagAss May 2013 #39
K&R redqueen May 2013 #2
Reminder that this article is about the cost of medications mucifer May 2013 #3
With price collusion like this, insurance premiums & MC Part D will go off the charts. Faryn Balyncd May 2013 #5
Bingo-they can price it anything they want. ErikJ May 2013 #37
It is also because our politicians are bought by big pharma. That is why we pay more than the rest Dustlawyer May 2013 #53
Could not agree more! marew May 2013 #54
It's called price fixing, and it's illegal. But don't bother waiting for drug companies to be Nay May 2013 #4
I am currently getting weekly injections of NPLATE for treatment of low blood platelets. Thinkingabout May 2013 #6
My dad got CML leukemia in 2009 marions ghost May 2013 #7
Interesting that Natl Cancer Institute doesn't call Gleevec "non-chemotherapy" Faryn Balyncd May 2013 #10
Insurance companies call it non-chemo marions ghost May 2013 #11
I'm so sorry your family was a victim to these drug price fixing schemes. Lone_Star_Dem May 2013 #16
yes marions ghost May 2013 #22
I am sorry you lost your father IrishAyes May 2013 #60
Thanks marions ghost May 2013 #65
This is what cabel news should be talking about 24/7 instead of the "scandal-gates" they continue to kelliekat44 May 2013 #8
They can't risk pissing off one of their biggest advertisers...Pharmacudical Companies. progressoid May 2013 #13
bingo! lunasun May 2013 #55
K&R kelliekat44 dotymed May 2013 #15
Of course they lie. CanSocDem May 2013 #12
K&R proverbialwisdom May 2013 #14
Generic Drugs: SCOTUS decided in Pliva v. Mensing (2011) kaiden May 2013 #17
And let's not even talk about VA_Jill May 2013 #18
. libodem May 2013 #19
What a small world... AnneD May 2013 #21
He sounds like the best. Octafish May 2013 #28
He was one of the Fellows then... AnneD May 2013 #56
Yes, thank you for sharing this story. truedelphi May 2013 #30
I worked in the hospital for a while.... AnneD May 2013 #57
Wow, that's pretty synchronistic tavalon May 2013 #43
Maybe not so much.... AnneD May 2013 #58
K&R marions ghost May 2013 #25
big pharma, the true death panels in america spanone May 2013 #26
my friend had acute myloid leukemia. DesertFlower May 2013 #27
Sorry that you lost a good friend. truedelphi May 2013 #29
thank you. she fought hard, but DesertFlower May 2013 #34
My husband will have an autologous bone marrow transplant this Fall. kaiden May 2013 #40
good luck to you and your husband. DesertFlower May 2013 #41
Thank you, DesertFlower. kaiden May 2013 #51
i know exactly how you feel. first they weren't sure how DesertFlower May 2013 #59
Best of luck to your husband, my husband had a related allo transplant ... slipslidingaway May 2013 #64
I've been fortunate to escape the clutches of Big Pharm IrishAyes May 2013 #61
I love my four or five "rescued" mullein plants. truedelphi May 2013 #62
I can attest to that Tab May 2013 #31
K & R !!! WillyT May 2013 #32
K&R'd! snot May 2013 #33
"But drug development is expensive so we have to charge ... lhooq May 2013 #35
Let's ban drug patents & fund research with money we now waste on the military. hunter May 2013 #36
That's not going to happen with this Administration: truedelphi May 2013 #38
M. D. Anderson is top notch. Manifestor_of_Light May 2013 #42
Cancer patients on average trend older . . . MrModerate May 2013 #44
This thread is infuriating and heartbreaking. tpsbmam May 2013 #46
kr. the extensions of patent & other 'intellectual property' protection of monopoly = rising price. HiPointDem May 2013 #47
When we tell people about the wonderful medical we get outside the US, repukes always say... upi402 May 2013 #48
SINGLE. PAYER. NOW. area51 May 2013 #49
I am a productivity and operations analyst for a CRO (Clinical Research Organization) AMA!! Fantastic Anarchist May 2013 #50
Good on this! My brother (who is a Repub)works for a big Pharma company developing oncology drugs. mnhtnbb May 2013 #52
For profit leeches are going to be the death of humanity. Initech May 2013 #63

Berlum

(7,044 posts)
1. "Shut up and eat your meds, you whiney proles." - Big Pharma, Inc. (R)
Thu May 23, 2013, 10:31 AM
May 2013

"One more peep out of you whiney proles and we will increase your daily dose of soma." - Big Pharma, Inc. (R)

Warpy

(111,171 posts)
9. Wrong.
Thu May 23, 2013, 11:10 AM
May 2013

It's more "shut up and die, you prole, you don't deserve our gold plated drugs we now restrict to the aristocracy!"

question everything

(47,440 posts)
20. But then... who will purchase these god nuggets?
Thu May 23, 2013, 01:03 PM
May 2013

I was thinking the same thing. But they need a mass distribution to earn this. 1% alone will not suffice.

SharonAnn

(13,771 posts)
23. And studies have shown that they spend more in marketing than they do in drug development.
Thu May 23, 2013, 02:09 PM
May 2013

It's all about the sales revenue and the resulting profit.

My late father, a physician, would be appalled at what the drug companies have been doing and getting away with.

mucifer

(23,487 posts)
3. Reminder that this article is about the cost of medications
Thu May 23, 2013, 10:49 AM
May 2013

Not that chemotherapy is a fakey science.

K and R.

Because big pharma is too greedy.

Dustlawyer

(10,494 posts)
53. It is also because our politicians are bought by big pharma. That is why we pay more than the rest
Fri May 24, 2013, 09:03 AM
May 2013

of the world for our prescription drugs. We need COMPLETE CAMPAIGN FINANCE REFORM (CCFR)!!! If we focus on CCFR we can get our Representative Democracy back! This would help us to solve many of the problems that face us! I suffer from a severe chronic condition and spend a fortune for my prescriptions. Every year when our health insurance gets renewed I have to pay more of the cost of these drugs and more for the cost of the insurance policy! This needs to stop! If we had politicians who did not spend 60% of their time fund raising and becoming indebted to the Lobbyists and the corporations they represent, we would be able to rationally deal with these problems. Help spread the idea of demanding CCFR to return Democracy to the people!

Nay

(12,051 posts)
4. It's called price fixing, and it's illegal. But don't bother waiting for drug companies to be
Thu May 23, 2013, 10:50 AM
May 2013

prosecuted for collusion.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
6. I am currently getting weekly injections of NPLATE for treatment of low blood platelets.
Thu May 23, 2013, 11:01 AM
May 2013

These has to be administered in physicians office and the charge of $2500 but Medicare pays less than $1000 a week so this comes to $52000 a year. Big Pharma is robbing us blind without weapons and our wonderful leaders in Congress continues to rake in donations from Big Pharma and laugh all the way to the bank. The drug plan passed for seniors paid big bucks in the year before the plan started and no prescriptions was ever filled. They are protected from their drugs becoming generic after 10 years and again by Congress. If Congress wants to spend money on investigating something this is where it should start. You can go to any other country and buy the same drugs much cheaper, on one I know of is $5 in the middle east and $60 here.

marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
7. My dad got CML leukemia in 2009
Thu May 23, 2013, 11:02 AM
May 2013

it killed him by 2011. (This is the disease this doctor is researching). My Dad was not able to afford the best drug for his profile and the one he did get he took a dose that was too low in order to save money.

The way that Novartis & the Insurance Companies did this price-fixing was that they got the target drug Gleevec declared "non-chemo"--even though you have to take the medication every day or you will die. Only the state of Oregon has laws preventing insurance companies from doing this scam.

We lived this nightmare. It was brutal. One of these days I will write about it.

I don't have much use for the love smilie these days but this doctor deserves it.

Faryn Balyncd

(5,125 posts)
10. Interesting that Natl Cancer Institute doesn't call Gleevec "non-chemotherapy"
Thu May 23, 2013, 11:12 AM
May 2013

http://www.cancer.gov/newscenter/qa/2001/gleevecqa


What was the mechanism by which (mis-)classification as "non-chemo" increased prices?





marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
11. Insurance companies call it non-chemo
Thu May 23, 2013, 11:34 AM
May 2013

--they got it classified as a "prescription drug" because it is taken orally. If the same drug were given by IV, Medicare would have covered it. As it was Medicare only partly covered it and he ran up debt in the $1000's. Don't get me started about the *$%^$#$# freaking donut hole....

Even the doctors and pharmacist we dealt with were horrified by what happened to my Dad. We would have tried to get the drugs from India, except that he died. And CML is one of the leukemias that does have effective oral target drugs. If Dad were alive in 2012 when these new drugs came out --ones the doc in the article was working on--I doubt he would have had access to it. Unless Medicare has changed on that. I'm not sure. We tried to get the drug through the VA (Dad was a WW2 vet--in for 2 years) but The Bushites had gotten WW2 vets classified as #8 in 2003--least priority--and because he was not currently enrolled or getting anything from the VA, they told us they could do nothing to help. Vets get the drug for something like $10 a month.

My dad was a journalist in life. He never had much money. And none of his kids in teaching and academic jobs primarily--could really help in a big way when this happened. Just an awful nightmare that none of us has recovered from. We all loved our dad, who had lived alone for a long time. Very close with him. it was a shocker.

Hope that explains it.

Lone_Star_Dem

(28,158 posts)
16. I'm so sorry your family was a victim to these drug price fixing schemes.
Thu May 23, 2013, 12:09 PM
May 2013

I appreciate your sharing your story and giving a human face to this atrocity. I know it couldn't have been an easy thing to do.

We need to take cases such as your fathers and use them to garner support from voters to put pressure on their elected officials. The media for the most part continues to only give a cursory glance to this problem, which means it's up to us, and wonderful doctors such as the one in the article, to shine a spotlight on the greedy and unscrupulous actions by pharmaceutical companies.

marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
22. yes
Thu May 23, 2013, 01:28 PM
May 2013

we have to do something about this, unless we really are OK with these target drugs being restricted on a "pay to play" basis. And in the country where they were invented...!

I will write to this doctor and tell him how much I admire him for speaking out.

Thanks for your kind words. I will keep on telling this story every chance I get. People need to understand how the drug and insurance companies conspire to work this. Often the victims of economic triage don't live to tell the tale, and struggling families these days don't have much to fight back with.

marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
65. Thanks
Mon May 27, 2013, 09:12 AM
May 2013

My dad was very active in a number of pursuits--he loved life and people and did not want to leave the planet--had no other issues until the CML leukemia. There were so many friends at his memorial that it was hard for us to even cope with the crowd. Dad always supported his kids emotionally and taught us what's important, and it's not money. But his last days were fraught with all the angst and needless stress of trying to get the drug that would keep him alive. Not to mention the stress on the rest of us. Horrific.

 

kelliekat44

(7,759 posts)
8. This is what cabel news should be talking about 24/7 instead of the "scandal-gates" they continue to
Thu May 23, 2013, 11:03 AM
May 2013

pump every day.

 

CanSocDem

(3,286 posts)
12. Of course they lie.
Thu May 23, 2013, 11:47 AM
May 2013

That's not important. It's the free market and the only thing that matters is that it shows a profit.

.

proverbialwisdom

(4,959 posts)
14. K&R
Thu May 23, 2013, 11:57 AM
May 2013

Last edited Thu May 23, 2013, 12:42 PM - Edit history (2)

More:

http://bloodjournal.hematologylibrary.org/content/early/2013/04/23/blood-2013-03-490003.full.pdf
http://www.whistleblower-insider.com/more-doctors-speak-out-on-the-high-cost-of-cancer-drugs/#.UZ470ie9KK0
http://www.mdanderson.org/newsroom/news-releases/2013/hagop-kantarjian.html
http://helpwithcancer.org/2013/05/doctors-agree-chemotherapy-is-too-expensive.html


Lance Armstrong's leadership created tremendous financial support for cancer researchers in TX. I'd guess that may have altered the incentives among academics to stifle independent analysis of the pharmaceutical industry. In any case, what inspiring physicians.

http://tmcnews.org/articles/lance-armstrong-cancer-research-supporters-rally-for-proposition-15/

Lance Armstrong, Cancer Research Supporters Rally for Proposition 15
By JO ANN ZUÑIGA
Texas Medical Center News

November 01, 2007


Champion cyclist and cancer survivor Lance Armstrong and a group of cancer research supporters recently campaigned at the Texas Medical Center urging voters to approve a proposed Texas constitutional amendment on the Nov. 6 ballot.

Proposition 15 would create the Cancer Prevention and Research Institute of Texas and authorize the state, starting in 2009, to issue up to $3 billion in bonds over 10 years for cancer research.

The seven-time Tour de France winner said, “I do not like to lose, either as an athlete or a cancer survivor. I do not want us to lose this proposition or the fight against cancer.”

Although Prop 15 has strong support, including from Texas Gov. Rick Perry and The University of Texas M.D. Anderson Cancer Center, some question the state’s plan to borrow funds to give out as research grants.

But Armstrong, himself a cancer survivor after being diagnosed with testicular cancer 11 years ago, and a contingency of bipartisan state legislators, are urging Texans to pass the proposition as an investment in their own lives and those of their loved ones.

In Houston, Armstrong addressed an audience which included many cancer survivors and patients undergoing cancer treatment.

<>

kaiden

(1,314 posts)
17. Generic Drugs: SCOTUS decided in Pliva v. Mensing (2011)
Thu May 23, 2013, 12:34 PM
May 2013

that manufacturers of generic drugs cannot be held liable under state tort law for "failure to warn." Once a person goes off the more expensive name brand drug and onto the generic (because insurance companies demand it as a cost-saving device for them) the manufacturers of EITHER drug cannot be held accountable. Big pharma is a scourge that must be stopped.

VA_Jill

(9,945 posts)
18. And let's not even talk about
Thu May 23, 2013, 12:40 PM
May 2013

the artificially created "drug shortages" when they want more money for them! Or the "shortage" of nutrients needed for sick premature babies! http://www.washingtonian.com/articles/people/children-are-dying/

AnneD

(15,774 posts)
21. What a small world...
Thu May 23, 2013, 01:04 PM
May 2013

I worked with this Doc, among others at cancer hospital in Houston when I was a newbie Nurse. At first it was the insurance companies not paying and employers firing sick employees and canceling their insurance for what was very treatable cancers. It was so bad we had to create a legal department to help the patients. Then it was the FDA coming down on some of our docs for using too much pain medicine (this in one of the top cancer hospitals in the country-of course they will prescribe lots of pain meds).

I would sometimes look and see what the meds cost and it was startling then-like they were trying to make back all their expenses and profits back in the first year! This hospital was a teaching hospital and our focus was on care not profit. We just wanted to make our expenses. We relied on grants and endowments for building upgrades and fund raising for patient extras (selling Christmas cards for pedi services). This hospital is what I consider the gold standard when I compare other places I have worked. If I developed cancer...this is the place this Nurse will go to.

I hope he and the hospital does not experience a backlash as they are a research and drug testing study site.

AnneD

(15,774 posts)
56. He was one of the Fellows then...
Fri May 24, 2013, 10:48 AM
May 2013

We had some great Docs. There were some that were so wonderful that this Nurse would get them a chair when they came in-that is how much respect I had for them. There were some that if their patient was heading south and you weren't happy with the residents or interns response----you could call them no matter what time of day or night.

One of our Docs saw how our dilapidated coffee machine in the Nurse lounge/break room kept giving out and got us a new commercial one out of his own pocket (we had no problem fetching him coffee when he made rounds).

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
30. Yes, thank you for sharing this story.
Thu May 23, 2013, 04:42 PM
May 2013

Have you been able to remain in the nursing world?

Here in California, I wouldn't work in a hospital, for the hospital, no matter that they were offering recently certified nursing assistants a $ 1,500 bonus for signing on.

The last private care patient I had at Marin General, I had to phone a friend to bring me bandages because the hospital-supplied bandages were all over seven years old, and no longer could be considered sterile! Most of the nurses were "travelling nurses" who would only be there a few weeks. Just when they learned the layout and how to maneuver around the hospital, they would be replaced by nurses that didn't know where anything was! But doing this allowed the hospital to save money on paying benefits for their nursing staff.

AnneD

(15,774 posts)
57. I worked in the hospital for a while....
Fri May 24, 2013, 10:53 AM
May 2013

but switched to school nursing with PRN in long term care. So many hospital fail to meet MY nursing care standards and have no respect for their Nursing staff. Once you have have been treated as a respected team member, it is hard to put up with less.

AnneD

(15,774 posts)
58. Maybe not so much....
Fri May 24, 2013, 10:58 AM
May 2013

Some areas of medicine are really quite small and when you work at the hub, you are bound to meet folks. I remember opening the back of my Med-Surg Nursing text and in the cited references---seeing many Docs I had worked with or had trained as interns at the hospital. It truly was the frontiers of medicine and that is when I realized how special this place was.

DesertFlower

(11,649 posts)
27. my friend had acute myloid leukemia.
Thu May 23, 2013, 03:30 PM
May 2013

by the second month of hospitalization the cost hit over one million. she spent 4 months in the hospital (the first time). the second round of chemo almost killed her. she was in ICU with 4 different infections. she lasted 3 years in and out of the hospital with infections until she finally passed a few months ago. fortunately her husband had good insurance.

BTW. she also had a bone marrow transplant.

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
29. Sorry that you lost a good friend.
Thu May 23, 2013, 04:39 PM
May 2013

Last edited Thu May 23, 2013, 09:55 PM - Edit history (1)

There were scientists back in the Twenties and Thirties that were curing leukemia by Putting their patients on diets composed of organ meat of young freshly slaughtered calves.

Had very good results, but the Big Money Rockefeller side of medicine won out over the "mere nutritionally oriented."

These days you get cancer, you want to immediately find out how to get cannabis oil and learn how to use it. Don't know if it works against leukemia, but it sure works on most cancers. And for less than 8,000 Dollars from the first application of the oil to the last one that is needed.

DesertFlower

(11,649 posts)
34. thank you. she fought hard, but
Thu May 23, 2013, 06:50 PM
May 2013

she really suffered. even her tendons were screwed up from the chemo. then she developed "graft host disease" from the transplant. she had so many C-diff infections too.

on a personal note i would never have chemo or radiation.

kaiden

(1,314 posts)
40. My husband will have an autologous bone marrow transplant this Fall.
Thu May 23, 2013, 10:06 PM
May 2013

He was diagnosed with Mantle Cell Lymphoma recently and has gone through two cycles of chemo with four more before his transplant. Because the surgeons will use his own bone marrow, the chances of rejection are pretty slim. We are hoping for a full and complete recovery.

We have had well meaning friends say, "Oh don't do chemo; do acupuncture instead." We have decided to stick to chemo.

DesertFlower

(11,649 posts)
41. good luck to you and your husband.
Thu May 23, 2013, 10:20 PM
May 2013

everyone is entitled to make their own health care decisions.

my husband passed a year ago. he had an inoperable brain tumor (glioblastoma). he came home from work and had a seizure -- 3 months later he was gone. fortunately he didn't suffer. i sympathize with what you're going through right now.

kaiden

(1,314 posts)
51. Thank you, DesertFlower.
Fri May 24, 2013, 07:14 AM
May 2013

It's terrible, isn't it, being the bystander and not able to fix your husband. I am so sorry. I'm pretty much a wreck everyday.

DesertFlower

(11,649 posts)
59. i know exactly how you feel. first they weren't sure how
Fri May 24, 2013, 07:04 PM
May 2013

bad it was, but then on 4/10/12 we were told that he only had a few weeks to live. neurosurgeon said "it's grown trememdously". he lasted almost 8 weeks -- passed on 5/27/12 -- it will be one year monday. it's the worse thing i've ever experienced. we were together almost 42 years.

feel free to PM me if you want.

slipslidingaway

(21,210 posts)
64. Best of luck to your husband, my husband had a related allo transplant ...
Mon May 27, 2013, 12:11 AM
May 2013

two and a half years ago for MDS/AML. Feel free to PM me and also check out the boards on the LLS site for some support.

Many hugs and best wishes for you and your family



IrishAyes

(6,151 posts)
61. I've been fortunate to escape the clutches of Big Pharm
Sun May 26, 2013, 11:29 PM
May 2013

So far, knock wood. Among other advantages, I have a pretty fair working knowledge of effective folk medicine and herbs. Willie Nelson says weed's an herb. I believe him.

No kidding, Big Pharma's always trying to make most herbs illegal, at least to sell. If they manage to do that, I'll grow my own! I don't think even a lot of health food stores carry comfrey now, such a stink was made about it. Luckily it grows wild in my back yard. It wasn't called knitbone for nothing. One of the best restoratives on the planet - next to beer and weed.

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
62. I love my four or five "rescued" mullein plants.
Sun May 26, 2013, 11:41 PM
May 2013

I eat the spines of their big leaves as a tonic. Having them two or three times a week means I don't have any arthritis.

What part of comfrey do you use? And how do you prepare it?

Tab

(11,093 posts)
31. I can attest to that
Thu May 23, 2013, 05:41 PM
May 2013

Now with some two years of chemo completed, and likely on it indefinitely - my current med was fast-tracked to approval and (assuming I can tolerate it, which is a different story), I believe wholesales at $12k/month or something. Fortunately my insurance will deal with it, but it's a ridiculous price anyway, and one of my nurses told me of another patient who is NOT insured (or underinsured) and pays $8k/month out of pocket. Presumably he's well off because that would sink most of us almost instantly.

Even my "regular" (traditional) chemo treatment was running $180k/yr including doctor visits, procedures, and everything.

The problem (I think) is that I'm the "consumer" but I have no incentive to negotiate price or shop around because insurance picks it up. Pharma has no incentive to cut costs because insurance picks it up. Insurance tries to keep the costs down a bit but ultimately they just pass the cost along to the employer, who can't really "shop around" because most insurance rates are similarly structured, and they have to offer benefits to attract employees. There's no real entity to put the brakes on the system.

lhooq

(35 posts)
35. "But drug development is expensive so we have to charge ...
Thu May 23, 2013, 08:43 PM
May 2013

that much .." so Pharma will say.

But we (US tax payers) pay for much of the initial drug development, that which is done by the National Cancer Institute. That includes pre-clinical development and frequently phase I clinical trials. As the article says,

If cancer research is paid 80 percent by taxpayers’ money, and if most of the discoveries in cancer drugs are made in the United States,


So, I wonder, why isn't the NCI more aggressive in selling and licensing drugs they initially develop to Pharma? As it is, NCI research is a gift to Pharma, and Pharma turns around and screws us with high drug prices. Some deal! Doesn't the head of the NCI, the NIH, and HHS understand this? (Maybe they all own stock in Pharma.)

hunter

(38,304 posts)
36. Let's ban drug patents & fund research with money we now waste on the military.
Thu May 23, 2013, 09:00 PM
May 2013

New drugs would be discovered, tested, and then released to the public domain for anyone to manufacture, worldwide.

All humanity would benefit, all drugs would be generics at generic prices.

The U.S. would be making friends instead of enemies.

A certain number of researchers and their teams could be awarded with prize money and increased grants every year in public ceremonies like the Nobel Prize or Oscars.

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
38. That's not going to happen with this Administration:
Thu May 23, 2013, 09:48 PM
May 2013

Watch this video of Papantonio discussing how Eric Holder is so connected to the World of Big Pharma, with Sam Seder doing the interview:




Holder's friends are even trying to say that it should be illegal to hold Big Pharma companies liable for poorly researched drugs and devices - even if those things end up killing people! And Holder is willing to use his office to see that it happens!
 

Manifestor_of_Light

(21,046 posts)
42. M. D. Anderson is top notch.
Thu May 23, 2013, 10:25 PM
May 2013

My family has a long history with M.D. Anderson. My sister was a cytotech and the assistant to the head of pathology, Dr. John Lukeman, for many years until she passed away from brain cancer in 1990. She had surgeries but had a kind that is always fatal and strikes young adults.

My mother was treated there for breast cancer in 1979. She had a Halsted radical, chemo and radiation. She had false negative mammograms, so she didn't do anything until she had a dent on the underside of her breast. She recovered and lasted until 2002.


My father had AML but he went into hospice because he was 88 years old and said he'd had a full life.

My family donated a five headed microscope to the pathology lab after my sister died.

Dr. Lukeman was amazing. He died in 2011 at the age of NINETY-SIX!! I don't think he ever truly retired.

He was a true bodhisattva of compassion. How can you not like a guy who had a Jewish funeral with a Scottish bagpiper playing Amazing Grace at the graveside? That's ecumenical!!




 

MrModerate

(9,753 posts)
44. Cancer patients on average trend older . . .
Fri May 24, 2013, 12:11 AM
May 2013

And might (if lucky) have savings, a house, health care.

These drugs are priced based on the Willy Sutton principal of robbing banks: "It's where the money is."

Time for a little nationalization action.

 

HiPointDem

(20,729 posts)
47. kr. the extensions of patent & other 'intellectual property' protection of monopoly = rising price.
Fri May 24, 2013, 01:38 AM
May 2013

duh, monopoly market = price setter.

crime enabled by congress.

upi402

(16,854 posts)
48. When we tell people about the wonderful medical we get outside the US, repukes always say...
Fri May 24, 2013, 01:44 AM
May 2013

"It's the damn lawyers here.."

They refuse to accept the fact that what they are told by the media ...is FALSE!

area51

(11,897 posts)
49. SINGLE. PAYER. NOW.
Fri May 24, 2013, 03:53 AM
May 2013

Our govt. has to start negotiating the price of drugs, especially since our tax dollars are already paying for them, so that our prices can be like Canadians and Europeans prices.

Fantastic Anarchist

(7,309 posts)
50. I am a productivity and operations analyst for a CRO (Clinical Research Organization) AMA!!
Fri May 24, 2013, 06:13 AM
May 2013

Much of what is said is true, and much of what is developed is paid for by universities via tax-payer dollars.

Ask me anything (within reason).

First, let me let you on my beliefs:

I believe in universal health care, without exception. Period. I believe this will bring costs down, and no market will "correct" prices of drugs, even if you assume that human life is a commodity, as I do not.

I am not well-versed on the clinical side of operations, but I do analyze the monitors and their managers that go out and actually do the monitoring. They are good people. They are workers like us. They are only doing what the government/corporations require them to do. In addition to the opening post, I will be willing to answer what I can from what I know on the clinical side.

Edit: I can cross-post this as its own post if need be.

mnhtnbb

(31,374 posts)
52. Good on this! My brother (who is a Repub)works for a big Pharma company developing oncology drugs.
Fri May 24, 2013, 08:17 AM
May 2013

And he flies all over the US and Europe--traveling ALL the time. And not in coach.
I sincerely doubt it's necessary 80% of the time.

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