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IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
Fri May 24, 2013, 09:31 AM May 2013

ARGH! "DIA's art collection could face sell-off to satisfy Detroit's creditors"

"...the scope of that power to sell off city jewels, such as the DIA collection, Belle Isle or the city’s water department..."

http://www.freep.com/article/20130523/NEWS01/305230154

DIA's art collection could face sell-off to satisfy Detroit's creditors

(snip)

Detroit emergency manager Kevyn Orr is considering whether the multibillion-dollar collection at the Detroit Institute of Arts should be considered city assets that potentially could be sold to cover about $15 billion in debt.

(snip)

Liquidating DIA art to pay down debt likely would be a monstrously complicated, controversial and contentious process never before tested on such as large scale and with no certain outcome. The DIA is unusual among major civic museums in that the city retains ownership of the building and collection while daily operations, including fund-raising, are overseen by a nonprofit institution.

(snip)

As emergency manager, Orr has great latitude in selling city assets to satisfy debt. But the scope of that power to sell off city jewels, such as the DIA collection, Belle Isle or the city’s water department, for example, has yet to be exercised and likely would be tested in court.

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Museums are not required by federal accounting rules to list their collections as assets. However, at the request of the Free Press, art dealers in New York and metro Detroit reviewed a list of 38 of the greatest masterpieces owned by the museum and estimated a market value of at least $2.5 billion with pieces such as Bruegel’s “The Wedding Dance,” van Gogh’s “Self-Portrait” and Matisse’s “The Window” all carrying estimates of between $100 million and $150 million each.

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Under normal circumstances, selling art to raise operating funds is strictly forbidden by the ethical codes and governing bodies in the museum world. Museums that run afoul of the rules are ostracized, and the threat of no longer being able to mount traveling exhibitions or borrow works is typically enough to prevent such sales — though the degree to which the DIA’s peer institutions would hold it accountable in the case of a forced sale remains an open question.


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ARGH! "DIA's art collection could face sell-off to satisfy Detroit's creditors" (Original Post) IdaBriggs May 2013 OP
kr HiPointDem May 2013 #1
I wonder how the donors of that art will feel ? CincyDem May 2013 #2
The article says that some of the donors might have made "qualifications" but... IdaBriggs May 2013 #5
Donor qualifications CincyDem May 2013 #10
Sad thing. But looted art is as old as civilization. CTyankee May 2013 #23
Fucking vultures Cal Carpenter May 2013 #3
I'll bet the Emergency Manager just happens to have contacts in the art world AndyA May 2013 #4
Art is for the rich folks.... DonRedwood May 2013 #6
They have become so blatant... malthaussen May 2013 #7
A city manager appointed by the governor who does what the Koch brothers tell him to do. Octafish May 2013 #8
And the looting continues caraher May 2013 #9
you have to ask? HiPointDem May 2013 #22
Rhetorical question caraher May 2013 #24
yes, sorry, so was mine. HiPointDem May 2013 #29
'Shock Doctrine' privatization in action duhneece May 2013 #11
Again, this clown said he would not "sell off assets". louis-t May 2013 #12
The billionaire Kochs need a new free space to dump their toxic waste Blue Owl May 2013 #13
Detriot is the plutocracy testing grounds. Rex May 2013 #14
This shitty law only seems to get worse by the day. blackspade May 2013 #15
The height of stupidity FreepFryer May 2013 #16
We must become the 99 percent. woo me with science May 2013 #17
K&R marions ghost May 2013 #18
The attitude is that Detroit is a slum. What do "those people" know about art? Spitfire of ATJ May 2013 #19
Look for Wal-Mart heiress Alice Walton to loot it for her art museum in Arkansas, Tanuki May 2013 #20
Any bets on how many will wind up in private collections? n/t LadyHawkAZ May 2013 #21
Not gonna happen KamaAina May 2013 #25
Correct.. X_Digger May 2013 #26
The city is under control of the Emergency Manager. former9thward May 2013 #27
Also complicating matters is the regional tax KamaAina May 2013 #28
The ability of the city to sell is apparently a grey area likely to be decided by a judge. pa28 May 2013 #30

CincyDem

(6,356 posts)
2. I wonder how the donors of that art will feel ?
Fri May 24, 2013, 09:37 AM
May 2013

This could have a "chilling effect" on the way that museums throughout the country acquire art for public purposes.
 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
5. The article says that some of the donors might have made "qualifications" but...
Fri May 24, 2013, 10:07 AM
May 2013

I am not sure anyone put in a *and you can't sell it to pay off city debts* note.

This is pure crazy.

CincyDem

(6,356 posts)
10. Donor qualifications
Fri May 24, 2013, 11:48 AM
May 2013

Most of those have to do with how a piece can be exhibited, how it can be loaned out, what the plaque has to say when it travels. Sometimes there are constraints of what a piece can be exhibited with (for example - in a traveling show this Van Gogh must be the only Van Gogh, or oppositely, this can only travel for a group showing of other Van Gogh's).

It could be interesting as many donations have some kind of constraint that the piece can not be sold to pay operating expenses of the museum. Some of the top top top tier stuff at the big city museums also include a "can't be sold for any reason" constraint but most museums resist that because they want to sell stuff to "trade up".

I'm sure there's some loophole in here that will let these carpetbaggers loot DIA the same way the museums in Baghdad were pillaged when Saddam fell. What a loss.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
23. Sad thing. But looted art is as old as civilization.
Fri May 24, 2013, 02:54 PM
May 2013

You can still see the Elgin marbles in the British Museum and the Louvre hasn't given back any of its stuff either. I was mad at Yale for years about the Machu Picchu antiquities that Hiram Bingham stole, but Yale got so much grief from its peers in the Ivy League they had no choice but to return them.

But to watch this happen before our very eyes is horrendous, none the less. I am appalled...

Cal Carpenter

(4,959 posts)
3. Fucking vultures
Fri May 24, 2013, 09:45 AM
May 2013

skimming whatever value they can find in Detroit.

This emergency manager crap was gonna turn out this way no matter what, despite the bullshit excuses/defenses the idea got even here on DU (!?WTF?!). They aren't trying to "Save" Detroit, they are trying to get what they can out of it before it's all gone. This is the last phase of 'chew it up and spit it out'.

Fuck Kevyn Orr, Rick Snyder and the capitalist class. Fuck them all.

AndyA

(16,993 posts)
4. I'll bet the Emergency Manager just happens to have contacts in the art world
Fri May 24, 2013, 09:49 AM
May 2013

After he finishes raping the people of Detroit, he'll announce a new partnership...a museum. Guess what works of art will be on display in the new museum?

It's happened before. The Pontiac Silverdome cost citizens $55.7 million to build in 1975 (which is about $225 million in 2012 dollars) and the Emergency Manager sold it in 2009 for $583,000--despite objections from the Pontiac City Council, which voted unanimously to not sell. The new buyer paid just 1 percent of its original cost. Screw the citizens. But there's more.

The Emergency Manager later teamed up with the new owner in a private, for profit venture using the Silverdome. Screw the citizens again.

I don't know what the current status of the Silverdome is, I looked at its website and it doesn't appear there's much going on. Last I heard, they were going to try to turn it into a casino, but that doesn't seem to have happened. Can anyone local give us some details?

DonRedwood

(4,359 posts)
6. Art is for the rich folks....
Fri May 24, 2013, 10:49 AM
May 2013

It must just be killing them they haven't been able to steal that Van Gogh from the people...now is their chance.

malthaussen

(17,193 posts)
7. They have become so blatant...
Fri May 24, 2013, 10:51 AM
May 2013

... ya know, when we advised people to "tell it like it is" back in the old days, we were laboring under the delusion that people were basically good. This rule would appear not to hold with City Managers.

-- Mal

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
8. A city manager appointed by the governor who does what the Koch brothers tell him to do.
Fri May 24, 2013, 11:00 AM
May 2013

And you know how the Koch brothers love to support the arts.

duhneece

(4,112 posts)
11. 'Shock Doctrine' privatization in action
Fri May 24, 2013, 12:00 PM
May 2013

The more devastated our cities, states, park systems, etc., the more we'll see the selling off of 'public' assets...another way to rip off the poor & give to the rich.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
14. Detriot is the plutocracy testing grounds.
Fri May 24, 2013, 12:19 PM
May 2013

If the people don't rise up, then the next step is made to see how far they can push their social engineering project.

FreepFryer

(7,077 posts)
16. The height of stupidity
Fri May 24, 2013, 12:34 PM
May 2013

The DIA's collection is a cultural asset that allows Detroit to continue to earn in other ways, whether ongoing donor contributions or cultural events that contribute to its tourism and distinctiveness.

To even suggest this is more than a mere epitome of short-sighted mismanagement... it's an intentional dismantling of Detroit's ability to earn in the future.

It's cultural assassination wrapped in fiscal excuses.

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
17. We must become the 99 percent.
Fri May 24, 2013, 12:42 PM
May 2013

Talk to everyone you know, across all party lines.

We need to come together to take back our cities, and our country, from looting thieves.

Tanuki

(14,918 posts)
20. Look for Wal-Mart heiress Alice Walton to loot it for her art museum in Arkansas,
Fri May 24, 2013, 01:28 PM
May 2013

just as she did the Alfred Stieglitz collection, which had been bequeathed to Fisk University by Georgia O'Keefe.
http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/08/03/legal-battle-over-fisk-university-art-collection-ends/

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
25. Not gonna happen
Fri May 24, 2013, 07:23 PM
May 2013

The collection is owned by the city but managed by a nonprofit. The city could simply transfer the collection to the nonprofit.

former9thward

(32,002 posts)
27. The city is under control of the Emergency Manager.
Fri May 24, 2013, 07:33 PM
May 2013

So the city can't transfer anything unless he approves.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
28. Also complicating matters is the regional tax
Fri May 24, 2013, 07:36 PM
May 2013

Wayne County and two adjacent counties levy a special tax to support DIA. Look for them to haul Orr's ass into court if he tries to sell.

pa28

(6,145 posts)
30. The ability of the city to sell is apparently a grey area likely to be decided by a judge.
Fri May 24, 2013, 09:48 PM
May 2013

Instead of making creditors force the issue the emergency manager brought the idea of a liquidation to the table himself. It seems to me bondholders will be in a much better position to legally require a fire sale now.

As I was reading about this today I discovered, much to my surprise, that Detroit has one of the finest collections in the country. This is disgusting.

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