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The Straight Story

(48,121 posts)
Sat May 25, 2013, 09:18 AM May 2013

Teacher Allegedly Fired For Using The Word 'Negro' In Her Spanish Class, Sues

A New York City teacher was allegedly fired for using the word "negro" to describe a student in her Spanish class, which she claims was part of a lesson in translation. Now she is suing because she hasn't been able to find another job since she was sacked.

Petrona Smith, 65, non-tenured, junior high school teacher, was let go from P.S. 211 in the Bronx in March 2012, according to the New York Post. She was allegedly fired after a pupil reported her for calling a student "negro" during a Spanish class.

However, the Post reported that Smith, a black woman from the West Indies, said she only used the word in reference to the color black. She then reportedly explained to her students that it is not a derogatory term and that the Spanish word for a black person is “moreno.”

“They haven’t even accounted for how absurd it is for someone who’s black to be using a racial slur to a student,” Shaun Reid, Smith’s attorney, told the Post. “Talk about context! There’s a lot of things wrong here.”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/24/fired-for-word-negro-spanish_n_3332861.html

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Teacher Allegedly Fired For Using The Word 'Negro' In Her Spanish Class, Sues (Original Post) The Straight Story May 2013 OP
"Negro" is a slur? XemaSab May 2013 #1
Especially considering it is the word for "black" in Spanish BlueStreak May 2013 #4
Why are the levels of melanin in people's skin being discussed in a language class anyway? Cirque du So-What May 2013 #11
An article I read said the lesson was about colors in general ..... oldhippie May 2013 #14
That's the problem Cirque du So-What May 2013 #15
Is 'colored' alright? Cirque du So-What May 2013 #6
My point is XemaSab May 2013 #7
The UNCF now prefers that people just use the acronym instead Cirque du So-What May 2013 #8
Sorry. On this one I've got to side with the teacher...... socialist_n_TN May 2013 #9
I disagree on the basis that the teacher doesn't need to be discussing people's color Cirque du So-What May 2013 #13
Context and language used are everything. dipsydoodle May 2013 #2
Isn't 'negro' the chervilant May 2013 #3
It's on my bottle of drawing ink. Atman May 2013 #5
Welcome to the NYC public school system. Smarmie Doofus May 2013 #10
Face palm on steroids nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #12
I have a can of beans in my cupboard that looks like this: bunnies May 2013 #16
I was just going to post HappyMe May 2013 #17
she`s 65 yrs old and expendable madrchsod May 2013 #18
 

BlueStreak

(8,377 posts)
4. Especially considering it is the word for "black" in Spanish
Sat May 25, 2013, 09:36 AM
May 2013

and doesn't have any connotation to race or culture. It is just the color.

If this were Phys-ed or Algebra, maybe there could be a point of speaking to the teacher privately to say, "It is better to use the term 'black' or 'African-American'." But in Spanish class, you are allowed to use the correct Spanish words, I would think.

Cirque du So-What

(25,931 posts)
11. Why are the levels of melanin in people's skin being discussed in a language class anyway?
Sat May 25, 2013, 10:07 AM
May 2013

Truth be told, Spanish as used in various nations has a variety of idioms related to the color of people's skin, specifically those of African descent - some of which may be used in a derogatory manner. IMO it's not a worthwhile topic for a language class. It's as worthless as learning curse words and other insulting words related to intelligence, profession or weight.

 

oldhippie

(3,249 posts)
14. An article I read said the lesson was about colors in general .....
Sat May 25, 2013, 10:15 AM
May 2013

... like red, yellow, green, blue and black. A student heard negro (black) and complained.

I saw the article somewhere on the 'net yesterday. I don't have a link.

Cirque du So-What

(25,931 posts)
15. That's the problem
Sat May 25, 2013, 10:20 AM
May 2013

with trusting HuffPo nowadays. The article in the OP clearly says that the teacher was referring to an African American student - not the color black. If she was indeed merely referring to the color black, then a injustice has been done.

Cirque du So-What

(25,931 posts)
6. Is 'colored' alright?
Sat May 25, 2013, 09:41 AM
May 2013

as in the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People? At the time these two organizations were formed, those words were the cultural norm; the norm has changed since then, but the organizational titles were maintained for purposes of continuity and historical connection. If you feel 'victimized' by being unable to freely toss around the term 'negro' nowadays, I truly feel sorry for you.

XemaSab

(60,212 posts)
7. My point is
Sat May 25, 2013, 09:46 AM
May 2013

that there's a difference between a dated term and a racial slur. If it was a racial slur, the UNCF probably wouldn't have it in their name.

Cirque du So-What

(25,931 posts)
8. The UNCF now prefers that people just use the acronym instead
Sat May 25, 2013, 09:52 AM
May 2013

Here's the main page of their website:

http://umsi.uncf.org/sif

Once there, searching on the term 'negro' produces zero results. Please proceed.

socialist_n_TN

(11,481 posts)
9. Sorry. On this one I've got to side with the teacher......
Sat May 25, 2013, 10:02 AM
May 2013

It's Spanish for God's sake. It means the color "black". As others have pointed out.

The only blame that could be placed is if she was using it as something other than a color. And even then it's iffy.

Cirque du So-What

(25,931 posts)
13. I disagree on the basis that the teacher doesn't need to be discussing people's color
Sat May 25, 2013, 10:12 AM
May 2013

in a language class. IMO it's as bad as teaching the kids about the difference between puto and puta. I'm against the whole concept of classifying people by their color - even 'white' people. How does referring to people as 'reds' and 'yellows' and 'browns' strike the ear?

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
12. Face palm on steroids
Sat May 25, 2013, 10:12 AM
May 2013

Negro is black in Spanish. It applies to shoe color ( she should have avoided the problem)

That said, in Mexico Moreno is not a derogatory term euther, not is negro

Oy vey shmer

madrchsod

(58,162 posts)
18. she`s 65 yrs old and expendable
Sat May 25, 2013, 10:32 AM
May 2013

this is really about a way to fire her before they have to pay her for the rest of the year. smart thing for her to do is become a home school teacher.

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