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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsDon't let Catholics run hospitals
http://www.projectcensored.org/top-stories/articles/8-catholic-hospital-threaten-mergers-reproductive-rights-for-women/http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2013/02/24/dont-let-catholics-run-hospitals/
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2013/04/26/why-catholic-hospitals-should-scare-you/
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Told to provide contraceptive coverage for your employees or perhaps the morning after pill then do not accept any funding from government sources. Its the old saying, it cost to be the boss. I am sure those funds could be divided between others who provide contraceptives.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)... that would provide a choice for those of us who wish we could go elsewhere.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Under any requirement to accept federal funding.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)... should be required to drive 90 minutes so they can be seen at a non-Catholic hospital?
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)Clothing, grocery stores, care facilities, day care, schools and teachers, jobs, and even potential spouses. It's a nice way to live...small town America...but there's definitely a tradeoff from living in a big city.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)... be required to provide any necessary service covered by Medicare? That doesn't seem unreasonable to me.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)I really don't know the answer to that. Could be it's the patient who is the beneficiary, while the health care provider just provides a service and gets a lower than usual fee for it. Dunno.
rucky
(35,211 posts)for the poor to have access to affordable, and often free healthcare. Yes, there are some strings attached, but until we make a better system, I think they're doing more good than harm in sum. So let's not shut them down, let's change the system so they're no longer needed.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)nun. I was proud she rose to such a high position, starting out as a nurse- but boy she was a tough cookie. Who fought the unions tooth and nail.
Lars39
(26,093 posts)Not being able to even discuss birth control is being written into the leases signed. Not enforced yet, though.
rug
(82,333 posts)Cerridwen
(13,251 posts)I'd prefer "catholics" not run anything to do with women, gays, and science.
They have a lousy history of fucking up each and all.
rug
(82,333 posts)That is the "they" you're referring to, isn't it?
Cerridwen
(13,251 posts)to enforce their agenda. I'm speaking of those rank and file "catholics" who use their "religious" superiority to pass God's judgement in order to better themselves at the expense of "others".
You can return your "mind reader" now for a refund as it gave you invalid information.
rug
(82,333 posts)Very gracious of you to backtrack.
Cerridwen
(13,251 posts)I have a long history of not caring for the powers in charge or their simple-minded minions.
Nice try, though.
I'll leave my history to stand for itself.
As to your reading comprehension; keep up the, er, good work.
rug
(82,333 posts)What I have just seen is a broad brush which can only help the "powers in charge". As to "simple-minded minions", well, I think I'll just let that hang out there for a while.
Cerridwen
(13,251 posts)I'd prefer "catholics" not run anything to do with women, gays, and science.
They have a lousy history of fucking up each and all.
See the quotes and the lower case `catholics`. Those would be your first clues when it comes to comprehending text on a screen.
The, frequently referred to as "scary quotes", are the indication that I'm not referring to Catholics. Too difficult?
Many who type to this board use various means to indicate tone, intent, and context of our posts based in the simple tools of punctuation. One of those tools is the use of "scary quotes" to denote something not to be taken as simplistically as the words within the quotes.
I personally, use lower case characters in those words traditionally afforded the unquestioned validity of capitalization in order to denote lack of respect (on my part) as well as an opportunity to display a challenge to the status quo.
The upshot being, I used "catholics" to depict those who claim Catholicism in the name of their own self-promoting agenda and who would use anything as an appeal to some higher authority to justify their own bigotries as well as those who use their "divine" authority to butt their sanctimonious noses into the realms of science and politics while claiming the "divine right" of "God's Word" to tear down and repress and suppress "others". (mixed metaphors intended)
Now, if you'll excuse me; that's as slowly and simplistically as I'm able or willing to type.
rug
(82,333 posts)Why that clears everything up.
I'm glad you do not consider Catholics to be simple-minded minions. That would be absurd bigotry to find on a progressive board, wouldn't it?
Too bad PZ and the OP did not use "scary quotes".
Cerridwen
(13,251 posts)Dismissing "catholics" is a perfect example of being bigoted toward bigots, isn't it?
Where have I heard or read that particular form of..."tolerance" before?
Oh yes. I remember.
"How dare you be intolerant of my intolerance?!" "How dare you 'bully' someone who is bullying you?!" "You! You! Bully of bullies; you!"
Which bothered you the most? That I used scary quotes or that you missed it and had to have it quoted back to you?
rug
(82,333 posts)your alacrity to broad brush an entire group for a dubious point is only slightly less revolting than your breezy attempt to disown it.
Would you like to hear more?
Cerridwen
(13,251 posts)time through and mistakenly thought I referred to ALL and now you're trying to save face.
Got it.
It's fairly common on this board for people to use punctuation and spelling and other tools to distinguish meaning and context.
It's also fairly common for people to display their lack of discernment and then attempt to blame others for their lack of skill.
Have a great night/day/morning (depending on your time zone).
I don't have any more time to attempt to educate another whose prejudice precludes them seeing beyond their own shortcomings while denying they don't have them. That's what republicans are for.
rug
(82,333 posts)Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)wonder why that seems to have escaped you.
rug
(82,333 posts)wonder why that seems to have escaped you.
ob·tuse [uhb-toos, -tyoos]
adjective
1. not quick or alert in perception, feeling, or intellect; not sensitive or observant; dull.
2. not sharp, acute, or pointed; blunt in form.
su·per·cil·i·ous
adjective
haughtily disdainful or contemptuous, as a person or a facial expression.
Origin:
152030; < Latin superciliōsus. See supercilium, -ous
Related forms
su·per·cil·i·ous·ly, adverb
su·per·cil·i·ous·ness, noun
un·su·per·cil·i·ous, adjective
un·su·per·cil·i·ous·ly, adverb
un·su·per·cil·i·ous·ness, noun
Synonyms
arrogant, scornful
If you insist on being a pedant, at least show the etymology.
Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)the delusion is shared by many other delusional people in disdain.
You can choose to believe any fantasy you like, it's no business of mine, but when you try to insist that your delusions be allowed to seriously effect the real lives of real people, I will call bullshit every time.
Science will fly you to the moon, religion will fly you into buildings.
Own it.
rug
(82,333 posts)"Delusions". Pray tell, what delusions might they be?
I'm always amused by how quickly that card comes flying off the deck. You wouldn't possibly have an agenda other than the OP that you're aching to push, would you?
Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)Please feel free to go back to your safe room and leave the rest of the world out of your hallucinations.
rug
(82,333 posts)I don't blame you posting out in public and all.
Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)rug
(82,333 posts)Surely you have facts to support your name calling. Otherwise, one might be tempted to conclude you're simply typing bullshit.
Response to rug (Reply #46)
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rug
(82,333 posts)Oh, now you've gone from "delusion" to "childish fantasy" to "fantasy based bigotry", all without producing a single fact.
Hmm, you've called me a bigot . . . .
Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)Definition: misconception, misbelief
Synonyms: apparition, blunder, casuistry, chicanery, daydream, deception, deceptiveness, dream, eidolon, error, fallacy, false impression, fancy, fantasy, figment, fool's paradise, ghost, hallucination, head trip, ignis fatuus, illusion, lapse, mirage, misapprehension, mistake, optical illusion, oversight, phantasm, phantom, pipe dream, self-deception, shade, speciousness, spuriousness, trickery, trip, vision
I'm sure there are more if you really require them.
I didn't call you a bigot, as I'm sure you know.
And you still got nothin'...
rug
(82,333 posts)To quote, er . . . , you . . . . , own it.
Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)rug
(82,333 posts)The rolling smiley is the dead giveaway.
Where name-calling falls there's always the little yellow rofl.
Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)I'm pretty sure the Flying Spaghetti Monster can kick you God's ass any day
rug
(82,333 posts)Cerridwen
(13,251 posts)hughee99
(16,113 posts)nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)And ideally, they wouldn't be so dogmatic about their anti-contraception beliefs which most of their followers ignore anyway.
Cerridwen
(13,251 posts)with knowledge of medicine and medical science.
Profiteers can go fuck a stack of cash; and "religionists" can go fleece their flock(s) and leave the rest of us enjoying the health and benefits of valid, rigorously researched science.
pnwmom
(108,925 posts)that weren't based on the profit motive.
Cerridwen
(13,251 posts)The "Catholic Church" has a long history of creating the very problems it then "cures."
It's another form of power not as closely related to the power of capital.
It is and was a form of having power over others; in exchange for "belief" and tithes they provided "relief" from the ills of the day.
pnwmom
(108,925 posts)Did they wave their magic wands and make preexisting hospitals go poof?
Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)the best hospital for a thousand miles in any direction. It also served the state university so that reality based students could practice the sciences and art they learned to become better, and all of that with no requirement to profess belief in Santa Cause, the FSM, or any other ridiculous hallucinations, not did they withhold treatments from patients because of their delusions.
pnwmom
(108,925 posts)We had a Catholic hospital in Seattle that sold itself to a larger private hospital. And they quickly cut back on the care for the poor that the Catholic hospital had been providing.
I agree that any hospital, including Catholic hospitals, that takes Federal funds should provide all services, including abortion and contraception. But I'm also concerned about profit-oriented hospitals denying care to poor people. Neither situation takes care of everyone or everyone's medical needs.
nolabear
(41,915 posts)They've been nursing and caring for the sick since there were Catholics. And there's always been conflict. But they fill a need that isn't being filled by anyone else.
Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)nolabear
(41,915 posts)LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)And it changed to corporate leadership from nuns running the show. He said the healthcare quality declined rapidly as hospital money went to corporate bonuses, hiring useless consultants and "management teams", and advertising. he could tell you stories all day about consultants who installed multi-million dollar software projects and gadgets being bought that were ultimately shelved due to uselessness. My family has gone there for over a generation and the care tanked, my father walked out in the middle of the night because no one came to discharge him for an entire day.
My friend left that job because finally benefits were being rolled back for hospital employees. He had fond stories about the head nun who would come down and talk to him and the patients about their care, while during his time he never saw the new CEO in person. They had built expensive corporate offices and spent their time there. Catholics aren't as bad as they seem when the corporate vampires come, believe me.
Freddie
(9,231 posts)Pregnant women used to carry a card with this statement on their person, because it was common knowledge that the Catholic hospital would save the baby and let the woman die. Nothing has changed, really.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)The people seem to be nicer and way more thorough. Just last March I was information 9 days getting tested for all kinds of things. They took care of me and helped with financials to get it written off as charity. I only had to pay two specialists I saw.
siligut
(12,272 posts)Medicine is science.
cynatnite
(31,011 posts)pokerfan
(27,677 posts)Faith Healers
Catholics Are Taking Over Local Hospitals, Imposing Their Faith on Your Health Care, and Planning to Deny Certain Treatments for Patients Who Are Pregnant or Dying
http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/faith-healers/Content?oid=16050396
liberal N proud
(60,298 posts)There have been Catholic hospitals for years.
Methodist too.
If all they are doing is treating people regardless of faith and without injecting religion then I don't care who owns the place.
CountAllVotes
(20,854 posts)St. Mary's Hospital on Stanyan street.
If I still lived in The City, I'd be going there. Great hospital with fine care and an even finer staff! St. Mary's!!
alarimer
(16,245 posts)Look at the case in Ireland, for example. And those links give many examples in this country. I hate the Catholic Church and their barbaric beliefs. In some communities, there are no other options, so women who need reproductive services are screwed. If they receive federal funds, which they do with Medicare and Medicaid, they need to cover everything covered by those programs. Or stop taking the money.
Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)Raine
(30,540 posts)there and he was treated very well.
Revanchist
(1,375 posts)Sgent
(5,857 posts)There is exactly one non-church owned facility in the metro area (Catholic, Baptist, and Methodist run the rest), and its a small surgical center.
The nearest major non-church hospital is in Tupelo, MS, 100 miles away, and they aren't a university hospital. The nearest non-church children's hospital is 250mi away in Jackson MS.
Note... St. Jude's isn't a church hospital, but its a research center not a general admission hospital.