Did Boston bombing suspect Tamerlan Tsarnaev steal the gun used to kill police officer Sean Collier

[MADem]

from victims of 2011 triple homicide?

Earlier this week Boston bombing suspect Tamerlan Tsarnaev was implicated in a triple slaying that occurred in 2011
The girlfriend of one of the victims has now revealed she told police that Tsarnaev knew the murdered men just after the killings
She also told police her boyfriend, Brendan Mess, had owned a gun but police told her it was missing from the crime scene
The same gun is believed to have been used by the bombing suspects to kill MIT police officer Sean Collier last month

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2331114/Did-Boston-bombing-suspect-Tamerlan-Tsarnaev-steal-gun-used-kill-police-officer-Sean-Collier-victims-2011-triple-homicide-stands-accused-of.html#ixzz2URRvzmFC

[Iggo]

1. Boy if he did he's gonna be in big trouble!

[JaneyVee]

3. DUzy!

(Although I have no control over the awards so don't be mad at me if you don't officially get one)

[MADem]

4. Well, he's already been sanctioned...but it does narrow down the suspect pool when it comes

to the Waltham triple murder.

[Cha]

2. So it "appears" that Brendan Mess' gun was the same

one that killed Sean Collier.

Will be waiting to see confirmation on that one.

thanks for the article, MADem Hope everything comes out eventually.. what a tragedy.

[MADem]

5. We all will have to be patient--the Commonwealth is very tight-lipped with ongoing investigations.

The Waltham one is still open, but--in an unusual move which is suggestive, if nothing else--the FBI has joined in.

The Globe reported today that the gun used by the Tsarnaev brothers during the Watertown shootout may have been stolen from a Waltham murder victim.

Middlesex District Attorney Marian T. Ryan issued a statement today defending the pace of the investigation, a statement that also made clear Ryan’s office believes it is constrained by ethics rules for lawyers from publicly discussing an ongoing investigation.

“While we can not discuss details pertaining to the investigation, including evidence, suspects or witnesses, this office and its law enforcement partners have conducted a thorough, far-reaching investigation beginning in 2011 when this horrific crime occurred,’’ Ryan said in the statement. “This investigation has not concluded and is by no means closed.”

The statement did acknowledge that the FBI is now part of the investigatory team, which also includes prosecutors and Waltham and State Police. The FBI does not routinely participate in murder investigations in Massachusetts.

Ryan said her office would not discuss the investigation with the public. ....

http://www.boston.com/metrodesk/2013/05/23/father-man-killed-fbi-agents-orlando-fla-says-his-son-was-not-capable-attacking-police/XxvlSGECZcwyL1UF2X9ZtL/story.html

[Cha]

6. thank you, MADem.. I appreciate the link and additional

information. Glad they're all going at a pace to get it right. I'm interested like everyone who cares about it.. what did happen when Ibragim Todashev was shot and killed by the FBI agent?

It would have been awful for his parents to think your son was coming home after talking with the FBI and then find out he's dead.

[MADem]

7. Apparently, he was in the habit of not telling his parents the whole truth; he was a system-gamer.

He came to USA to study English, but later applied for asylum under a program where "persecuted" Chechens could be sheltered from harm. But his father -- who works for the government--said the kid wasn't in ANY danger of being persecuted, wasn't in the right window for mandatory military service, none of that. He didn't believe that's why the kid was staying in the United States...!

The current Moscow-backed leadership of Chechnya has been ruthless in prosecuting suspected separatists. But Abdulbaki Todashev, who is a department head in the mayor’s office in Grozny, the capital of Chechnya, said his son had no reason to fear repression or persecution in Chechnya.

“He was too young to fight in the war, and he has nothing to fear here now,” Abdulbaki Todashev said. “He would have faced no oppression here.”

Todashev said he moved his family out of Chechnya to Saratov province in central Russia during the worst of the fighting, and moved them back “five or six years ago.” Ibragim was studying English at Chechnya State University when he told his father in 2008 he wanted to study in the United States.

“He was a good student, he really loved English, and he went to the US for English practice,” the father said. He said that Ibragim had not been accepted into any formalized course of study, and understood that he was on an exchange program.

http://www.boston.com/metrodesk/2013/05/23/father-man-killed-fbi-agents-orlando-fla-says-his-son-was-not-capable-attacking-police/XxvlSGECZcwyL1UF2X9ZtL/story.html

And NYT says Ibragim and Tamerlan were likely drug dealers--they also clear up the whole "confession" thing, and indicate there was no "signed" confession, and that the very strong Ibragim has "an object" in his hand--not necessarily a knife:

....It was not certain who, or how many officers, had fired on Mr. Todashev. Nor was it clear why, with at least three law enforcement officials in the room, deadly force was used on someone without a firearm in his hands. Asked, one law enforcement official said: “If somebody jumps on you and you have a gun, and you don’t do something, the gun will quickly come into play.” ....

There was no indication on Wednesday why Mr. Todashev — who, like the Tsarnaevs, was an ethnic Chechen — would have implicated himself and Mr. Tsarnaev in the murders. Investigators, who are seeking to determine how Mr. Tsarnaev made money, have been looking into whether Mr. Todashev and Mr. Tsarnaev were drug dealers, one of the law enforcement officials said.

Mr. Todashev had not signed a written statement about the Waltham murders before he was fatally shot. “He had only said it orally but had not signed anything,” said the first official. “But that was where it appeared to be heading.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/23/us/officer-involved-in-shooting-of-man-tied-to-tsarnaev.html

[Cha]

8. thanks MADem.. the more we know!