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babylonsister

(171,029 posts)
Mon May 27, 2013, 09:27 AM May 2013

"the president thinks you're shallow. And you know that he is right. And you hate him for it."

http://www.boomantribune.com/story/2013/5/26/102114/680

He Dislikes You Right Back

by BooMan
Sun May 26th, 2013 at 10:21:14 AM EST


Sometimes, I wonder why I so frequently see disparaging remarks in the press about the president's disposition or mien. He's aloof, arrogant, detached, above-it-all, distant, dismissive. The thing is, he doesn't strike me as any of those things. Maybe every once in a while I get a brief hint that he's impatient or frustrated with the stupidity that surrounds him. But, to me, it seems like he hides it well. Watch him console grieving parents or enter into a little child's world or work a rope line, and he's compassionate, intimate, wholly-there.

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The day-to-day clutter of manufactured controversy and faux-scandal is ultimately unimportant to the president. What does he care of critics who want to know why gay rights have not yet been addressed, when he knows he will have laid down the most progress in history on that front by the end of his first term? He's working from a vision. When a Code Pink protester rails against him for the situation as it stands, he can afford to be magnanimous because he's in the process of laying out where we're going.

This is what the press sees as being detached and above-it-all. But, in the context of effective governance, those attributes are virtues. How could he not feel at least some disdain for those who are so absorbed in the now that they can do nothing but quibble and nitpick, attacking him with a million pinpricks while never sensing that his vision is too big to be stymied by such trivialities?

Of course, he pays a price for being unloved by the press. He pays a price for not tending to the narrative of the day with the same intensity with which he tends to the long game. But he's only one man and he can't have every skill that one might want. If you want someone to arouse populist passions, you probably don't pick the guy who excels at keeping everyone calm in a crisis. And if you could look at all the thronging crowds at all those Obama rallies and still argue that the man lacks warmth or is detached or can't arouse populist passions, then maybe your standards are too high.

Or, maybe, you have just enough depth to realize that the president thinks you're shallow. And you know that he is right. And you hate him for it.


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"the president thinks you're shallow. And you know that he is right. And you hate him for it." (Original Post) babylonsister May 2013 OP
There Is A Good Deal To That, Ma'am The Magistrate May 2013 #1
I've never understood this supposed "detached, aloof, arrogant" demeanor at all. To me, whathehell May 2013 #2
Its part of the "what ever will stick" approach that the press takes. JoePhilly May 2013 #5
I never thought of it that way, but you may well be right. whathehell May 2013 #6
They want a Christie gruffness in your face person.......... Historic NY May 2013 #10
Do you think? whathehell May 2013 #18
The public doesn't like politicos like Christie-only the media does because his personality Boomerproud May 2013 #22
Yup. Historic NY May 2013 #23
That's an interesting point and you're right, in that he does give them drama and "confrontation". whathehell May 2013 #27
I'm pretty sure "uppity" is the word they want to use ProudToBeBlueInRhody May 2013 #12
Sadly, yes. So awful to think that some (many?) people still think that way. whathehell May 2013 #29
I honestly don't know how Obama does it. Brigid May 2013 #3
Being able to go home each night to his highly smart, intelligent and wise wife surely helps lunatica May 2013 #4
That must be soothing. Kath1 May 2013 #15
Me too. whathehell May 2013 #28
I think the "aloof" comments come from him standing proud as he's waiting Frustratedlady May 2013 #7
I remember during the '08 debates PatSeg May 2013 #16
I think part of it is that they can't figure out how the son of a single mother Frustratedlady May 2013 #17
When I get disgusted with the way they treat Obama, PatSeg May 2013 #20
It always warmed my heart when he landed a kiss Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2013 #24
The say "aloof, arrogant, detached, distant and dismissive" because they can't say "uppity" Scuba May 2013 #8
^^^This^^^ freshwest May 2013 #19
Arrogant=Uppity Black Negro who won't stay in his place!! Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2013 #25
Look it... ReRe May 2013 #9
You outdid yourself with that post, babylonsister! Kath1 May 2013 #11
right on Chaco Dundee May 2013 #14
Welcome to DU! Raine1967 May 2013 #35
Putting it another way... ewagner May 2013 #13
This is the definitive indictment on the shallow press, babylonsistah. Booman Cha May 2013 #21
He's TOO even=keeled for my taste Doctor_J May 2013 #26
We 'get it', Doctor J. You don't like him. Gotcha. nt babylonsister May 2013 #30
A cottage industry of explainations of our Presidents behavior, basically it's us, not him. Safetykitten May 2013 #31
Ha! A cottage industry because you're not of this opinion? babylonsister May 2013 #33
Great article, Babs. I've never seen him as aloof, but then... Hekate May 2013 #32
I am also, Hekate, and babylonsister May 2013 #34
I think Obama's demeanor is fantastic Skittles May 2013 #36
Bravo... cntrfthrs May 2013 #37

The Magistrate

(95,241 posts)
1. There Is A Good Deal To That, Ma'am
Mon May 27, 2013, 09:35 AM
May 2013

A man who does not suffer fools gladly will not gladden the hearts of many fools.

whathehell

(29,026 posts)
2. I've never understood this supposed "detached, aloof, arrogant" demeanor at all. To me,
Mon May 27, 2013, 09:44 AM
May 2013

his public presence has always seemed rather warm and engaging.

It's funny that you say the press doesn't like him, though, as the Right seems to think they love him.

Oh well.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
5. Its part of the "what ever will stick" approach that the press takes.
Mon May 27, 2013, 10:14 AM
May 2013

The press is very willing to push totally opposite negative narratives about Obama simultaneously.

He's abusing his power, and he is in over his head.

He should lead more, but also stay out of the way.

He's an elitist. No, he's a thug.

Socialist! Corporatist!

It does not matter which of the negative narratives you personally chose to embrace, just so long as you embrace one of them.

whathehell

(29,026 posts)
6. I never thought of it that way, but you may well be right.
Mon May 27, 2013, 10:55 AM
May 2013

Thank God that the general public never bought it, otherwise we might have a President Romney.

Now THERE's a warm and approachable "man of the people".

I've been disappointed in the president, politically, but the LEAST offensive thing about him, in my view,

is his persona. Hell, he's charming, attractive and witty...I was in Europe during part of the '08 campaign

and I heard people comparing him to JFK, and I doubt it gets better than that.

Historic NY

(37,449 posts)
10. They want a Christie gruffness in your face person..........
Mon May 27, 2013, 11:55 AM
May 2013

imagine if he was completely sarcastic. I think they get PO'ed because the POTUS does come back at them only they don't realize it until days or weeks or months later.

whathehell

(29,026 posts)
18. Do you think?
Mon May 27, 2013, 02:36 PM
May 2013

I can't imagine ANYONE wanting a president to be like Christie, and I've always wondered why

repukes thought he'd make such a great -- He's flat out rude and nasty.

In terms of directness and/or aggressiveness, the closest I believe we've ever come to that, though he was much

brighter and not at all nasty, was Howard Dean, and I even heard HIM being described as "angry".

Obama could (thankfully) NEVER be like that -- too much cool, too much class.

Maybe there's a double standard for Republican and Democratic presidents.

Boomerproud

(7,938 posts)
22. The public doesn't like politicos like Christie-only the media does because his personality
Mon May 27, 2013, 04:32 PM
May 2013

gives them what they want 24/7-drama drama drama. The media only care about the three C's-corruption, confrontation and chaos.

whathehell

(29,026 posts)
27. That's an interesting point and you're right, in that he does give them drama and "confrontation".
Mon May 27, 2013, 05:37 PM
May 2013

I think he's a jerk, although I was glad to see him stand up to the worst of his party

when they dissed him for accepting aid for Sandy (and a hug) from Obama.

I'm in my sixties -- I hope to live long enough to see this country regain its sanity.

ProudToBeBlueInRhody

(16,399 posts)
12. I'm pretty sure "uppity" is the word they want to use
Mon May 27, 2013, 12:05 PM
May 2013

I mean, imagine....a black guy being President. The fucking nerve.

whathehell

(29,026 posts)
29. Sadly, yes. So awful to think that some (many?) people still think that way.
Mon May 27, 2013, 05:48 PM
May 2013

I've had some problems with his politics but NEVER with his style or personality.

I saw him in Illinois in a rather small venue with Dick Durbin when he was running

for the US Senate and he just electrified the room -- A complete charmer in my book.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
4. Being able to go home each night to his highly smart, intelligent and wise wife surely helps
Mon May 27, 2013, 10:06 AM
May 2013

I believe she's his equal in smarts.

Kath1

(4,309 posts)
15. That must be soothing.
Mon May 27, 2013, 12:26 PM
May 2013

A very intelligent, beautiful, compassionate woman there in Michelle! Love her too! Such a refreshing change from stiff and cold Laura Bush.

Frustratedlady

(16,254 posts)
7. I think the "aloof" comments come from him standing proud as he's waiting
Mon May 27, 2013, 11:13 AM
May 2013

for the applause to end. At the camera angle, he might look aloof, but he's also being patient with the people to stop their cheering so he can proceed with his speech. Republicans aren't used to acting that way...they don't get applause that often.

Obama is probably the warmest POTUS we've ever had. Republicans aren't used to acting that way, either.

PatSeg

(47,239 posts)
16. I remember during the '08 debates
Mon May 27, 2013, 12:28 PM
May 2013

sometimes he looked a bit arrogant and condescending. It was mostly a body language thing and I think it was when he was in situations that were tense or difficult. I think he may have been trying to look more confident than he felt. The rest of the time he was warm and engaging, but I think that pisses his opponents off even more.

I was just thinking about this as I watched him on TV and tried to understand what there is about him that makes some people hate him so much (aside from the racists that is). I can understand disagreeing with his policies, but this is so obviously a good decent person. How can anyone see a monster or a dictator or the anti-christ. I know people who see him the way I see Dick Cheney or GW Bush and that is so perplexing to me.

Frustratedlady

(16,254 posts)
17. I think part of it is that they can't figure out how the son of a single mother
Mon May 27, 2013, 01:11 PM
May 2013

and black got as far as he did without help from Affirmative Action. For years, AA was despised by young whites who missed a chance at certain colleges in favor of a black...particularly in the south. Don't give Obama any credit for brains and ambition, for heaven's sake.

Too many unanswered questions in their point of view. Of course, the fact they didn't want to believe anything good about the guy shouldn't enter into the equation. Mercy me!

The Republicans in congress are simply jealous, bigoted and hateful. They will end up eating their own...they should know enough never to touch Obama or the country would come down on them so hard, their heads would spin right off their neck. In all my years, I've never seen such a hateful and spiteful bunch of yokels. They aren't even smart enough to be ashamed.

PatSeg

(47,239 posts)
20. When I get disgusted with the way they treat Obama,
Mon May 27, 2013, 03:09 PM
May 2013

I remember how they treated Bill Clinton (Hillary too). They just can't stand losing the White House to a Democrat and if that Democrat is young, smart, charismatic, AND good-looking, that drives them insane. I think of it as a high school mentality, where the losers resent the "cool" kids and tear them down. Most of the republicans in Congress are as uncool as you can get. Not to mention the world's worst losers!

You know that time that Obama sang on camera must have pushed them over the edge.

I'm thinking that Nixon probably felt the same way about JFK. Petty envy is so unattractive.

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
24. It always warmed my heart when he landed a kiss
Mon May 27, 2013, 04:46 PM
May 2013

on Hillary's cheek and pulled her chair out for her before each and every debate.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
9. Look it...
Mon May 27, 2013, 11:54 AM
May 2013

... sociopaths always accuse their foes of what they themselves are guilty of. Always remember that. He doesn't exactly "welcome their hatred," but he's damn sure not intimidated by it. The man can walk right into the lions den, right into the fire, and always comes out unscathed. He has no fear. And yes, the media and the wingers hate him for it. What his detractors say does not bother me and no one else should be bothered by it either. We have something the detractors don't. We know that he has the strength of his convictions and the TRUTH on his side.

Kath1

(4,309 posts)
11. You outdid yourself with that post, babylonsister!
Mon May 27, 2013, 12:04 PM
May 2013

He is right. They hate him for it. I love him for it and support him 100%!

ewagner

(18,964 posts)
13. Putting it another way...
Mon May 27, 2013, 12:17 PM
May 2013

Obama is speaking intelligently to an audience which has been exposed to deliberate, manipulative "dumbing down" for the past three decades...by asking his audiences to rise above the shallowness of pop-culture politics, he is forcing people to face the consequences of their bumper-sticker politics and reason together for a higher vision....they resent and resist by immersing themselves in the protective cocoon of ignorance.

Cha

(296,771 posts)
21. This is the definitive indictment on the shallow press, babylonsistah. Booman
Mon May 27, 2013, 04:00 PM
May 2013

has the "press" nailed.

Or, maybe, you have just enough depth to realize that the president thinks you're shallow. And you know that he is right. And you hate him for it.

This should be Viral so maybe even just one of those vapid twits accusing the President of being "aloof" could look in the mirror.

Our "aloof" President from today..


President Obama hugs grieving families in Section 60

http://theobamadiary.com/

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
26. He's TOO even=keeled for my taste
Mon May 27, 2013, 04:59 PM
May 2013

I wish he would treat the right-wing terrorists with less aloofness and more contempt. And his vision has been stymied by those trivialities.

 

Safetykitten

(5,162 posts)
31. A cottage industry of explainations of our Presidents behavior, basically it's us, not him.
Mon May 27, 2013, 09:22 PM
May 2013

I must admit this is one of the most creative of the "fuck you/you don't get him" thingies.

babylonsister

(171,029 posts)
33. Ha! A cottage industry because you're not of this opinion?
Mon May 27, 2013, 09:49 PM
May 2013

Trust me, there are far more negative articles about Obama then positive.

But take it personally.

Hekate

(90,527 posts)
32. Great article, Babs. I've never seen him as aloof, but then...
Mon May 27, 2013, 09:43 PM
May 2013

... I am attracted to highly intelligent men. And I remember the social dynamics of high school all too well.

I love it that he does not talk down to the American electorate. Instead he will lead the listener through his thought process step by step, fully explaining the background, the past, present, and future of it.

You can disagree with him, but anyone who wants a faux populist given to grandiose gestures can have Bush Jr. back, or hang out with Gingrich. You're not going to get that from Obama, because it's just not who he is.

KnR!

babylonsister

(171,029 posts)
34. I am also, Hekate, and
Mon May 27, 2013, 09:52 PM
May 2013

love your comments! All very true; I just hope he knows there are people like us who do so appreciate him for being a smart, thoughtful adult despite all the strife he deals with.

Skittles

(153,104 posts)
36. I think Obama's demeanor is fantastic
Mon May 27, 2013, 11:17 PM
May 2013

very even-keeled and he seems to show displeasure only with people who would "try the patience of a saint" - yes INDEED

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