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It has been pointed out that the initial story
is old, and has been circulating. They include a snopes link. However, there appears to be a reality to the potential danger.
http://www.aspcapro.org/mydocuments/download.php?f=cocoa-mulch.pdf
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151486979938049&set=a.396981043048.166047.113690333048&type=1
Rutherford Animal Hospital (NC) posted,
Please tell every dog or cat owner you know. Even if you don't have a pet, please pass this to those who do.
Over the weekend, the doting owner of two young lab mixes purchased Cocoa Mulch from Target to use in their garden. The dogs loved the way it smelled and it was advertised to keep cats away from their garden. Their dog (Calypso) decided the mulch smelled good enough to eat and devoured a large helping. She vomited a few times which was typical when she eats something new but wasn't acting lethargic in any way. The next day, Mom woke up and took Calypso out for her morning walk. Halfway through the walk, she had a seizure and died instantly.
Although the mulch had NO warnings printed on the label, upon further investigation on the company's web site,
This product is HIGHLY toxic to dogs and cats.
Cocoa Mulch is manufactured by Hershey's, and they claim that "It is true that studies have shown that 50% of the dogs that eat Cocoa Mulch can suffer physical harm to a variety of degrees (depending on each individual dog). However, 98% of all dogs won't eat it."
*Snopes site gives the following information: http://www.snopes.com/critters/crusader/cocoamulch.asp .asp>
Cocoa Mulch, which is sold by Home Depot, Foreman's Garden Supply and other garden supply stores contains a lethal ingredient called 'Theobromine'. It is lethal to dogs and cats. It smells like chocolate and it really attracts dogs. They will ingest this stuff and die. Several deaths already occurred in the last 2-3 weeks.
Theobromine is in all chocolate, especially dark or baker's chocolate which is toxic to dogs. Cocoa bean shells contain potentially toxic quantities of theobromine, a xanthine compound similar in effects to caffeine and theophylline. A dog that ingested a lethal quantity of garden mulch made from cacao bean shells developed severe convulsions and died 17 hours later. Analysis of the stomach contents and the ingested cacao bean shells revealed the presence of lethal amounts of theobromine.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)G_j
(40,568 posts)even if someone doesn't own a dog, a neighbor's dog might also get into it.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Robbing bogs of peat moss is not healthy for the planet therefore I was interested. We have two cats, one of which is young and tries to eat everything, including bees, spiders and worms.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(130,488 posts)And cats are less likely to eat cocoa mulch (which is not meat) than dogs, who will eat damn near anything. Still, you might want to avoid cocoa mulch in case the neighbors' dogs get into it. Cypress mulch works fine.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)broiles
(1,454 posts)As it degrades it improves the soil. Especially if you soil is alkali. It's a lot cheaper than cypress.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)and return the nutrients to the soil.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)The wire bin is for holding leaves and other brown items until I can use them in one of the compost bins. In the compost bins I mix one part brown with two parts green. I use produce waste and grass clippings for the green. THe second bin is not tight enough to keep the rats out so I dont use produce waste because the rats love it. I just use grass clippings for the green. I chop it and turn it often and keep it moist.
Trillo
(9,154 posts)usually compost is aerobic. You can make anerobic compost in plastic bags.
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)I will let all my friends know. That product should be recalled immediately, but sadly it won't. (I see the chicken jerky that was the cause of so many deaths sneaking back on the shelves.) I worry not just about my yard but when I'm taking my dog for a walk.
In_The_Wind
(72,300 posts)DirkGently
(12,151 posts)It's a very old story -- 10 years or so. Dogs don't generally eat the mulch, and manufacturers have apparently taken steps to clean it up. I've never even seen it for sale.
http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/catalog/servlet/ContentView?pn=SF_GC_PD_Mulch&storeId=10051&langId=-1&catalogId=10053
The Home Depot does not and will not sell mulch harmful to pets. The mulch sold by The Home Depot containing cocoa shells goes through several cleaning processes, including a high heat system in order to strip the cocoa fat from the shells without the use of any chemicals. The Home Depot has very strict policies and procedures in place to ensure the integrity of the mulch products sold in our stores. All The Home Depot mulch suppliers are required to be certified by the Mulch and Soil Council (MSC) which created the industry standards and criteria for mulch and soil certification and inspection.
Good to know, but also good to know it's not really a problem currently.
G_j
(40,568 posts)"Over the weekend, the doting owner of two young lab mixes purchased Cocoa Mulch from Target to use in their garden"
DirkGently
(12,151 posts)It's inbox sludge, not a real story.
http://www.hoax-slayer.com/cocoa-mulch-warning.html
The story being circulated about a young dog named Calypso ingesting cocoa bean shell mulch may be true, Dr. Hansen said, but the cause of the dog's death is "highly suspect." The statement that she vomited a few times is consistent with such poisoning, but not the absence of other clinical signs until the next day, when the dog is said to have had a single seizure during her morning walk and died instantly.
"A big problem from the perspective of a toxicologist and a veterinary clinician is that if you have poisoning from methylxanthines, you get a progression of signs vomiting, diarrhea, more vomiting, trembling, the heart rate kicks up, then it may progress to seizures if the dose is exceptionally high, with death being uncommon," Dr. Hansen said. "A necropsy would have likely shown that Calypso had an underlying condition that caused her death."
thank you, that was not obvious to me. Still, it would seem best to avoid this mulch.
DirkGently
(12,151 posts)spinbaby
(15,387 posts)And I'm sure that even if they did, they wouldn't sell cocoa mulch, which is a high-end item in the mulch world. I love the stuff because it looks really nice in the flower beds and lasts for years.
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sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)to other mulches? If not, why make it?
Chellee
(2,300 posts)Cocoa mulch is small and dark brown, so viewed from the sidewalk it looks like really rich soil. As if you don't have mulch at all, perhaps you're just world's best weeder. Plus, it makes your whole yard smell like chocolate.
My dog has never eaten it, or dug in it, or rolled around in it, or shown any interest in it whatsoever. And judging by the fact that the only time its disturbed is when I push it aside to plant something, no loose neighborhood dog or wandering raccoon has been interested in it either.
baldguy
(36,649 posts)and their flyer about Cocoa bean mulch:
http://www.aspcapro.org/mydocuments/cocoa-mulch.pdf
Mr. Mojo Risen
(104 posts)Every time I see those words I automatically assume the story is complete BS. Hasn't served me wrong yet.
DirkGently
(12,151 posts)G_j
(40,568 posts)this really was posted by an animal hospital.
niyad
(132,293 posts)G_j
(40,568 posts)the snopes link included is older.
(The hospital is in a neighboring town, it really exists.)
niyad
(132,293 posts)while the information is greatly appreciated, there is a difference whether this is something that just happened, or something that happened years ago.
I spend a lot of time in gardening sections, and have never seen cocoa mulch at any of the stores.
G_j
(40,568 posts)I don't see it.
niyad
(132,293 posts)they are closed today. the story was posted on the 20th. (by the way, some of the facebook comments are absolutely vile)
G_j
(40,568 posts)I guess a well meaning person at the hospital was trying to help. Still, it sounds best to avoid this product.
proud2BlibKansan
(96,793 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)The mulch would be toxic to a dog that ate it (along with raccoons, cats, most members of Carnivora in fact), because it is indeed rich in theobromine. This isn't an "ingredient," it's something that is naturally found within the cocoa plant, particularly the seeds and seed pods (from which we get chocolate, also rich in the stuff). These animals can't metabolize the stuff, which acts like a strong stimulant on them; their heart rate increases, muscles tremble and shake, and severe nausea comes on.
The odds of such an animal actively eating the mulch though, are probably pretty slim. Eating enough to kill them is even more unlikely. Still, simple precaution would say to avoid using it if you have a dog, just in case (the cat's more likely to use it as a litter material, which kinda ruins the whole "I'm so rich I can buy chocolate for mulch!" aspect of the stuff...)
niyad
(132,293 posts)Theobromine
Theobromine (theobromide[3]), also known as xantheose,[2] is a bitter alkaloid of the cacao plant, with the chemical formula C7H8N4O2. It is found in chocolate, as well as in a number of other foods, including the leaves of the tea plant, and the kola (or cola) nut. It is in the methylxanthine class of chemical compounds,[4] which also includes the similar compounds theophylline and caffeine.[2] (In caffeine, the only difference is that the NH group of theobromine is an N-CH3 group.) Despite its name, the compound contains no brominetheobromine is derived from Theobroma, the name of the genus of the cacao tree, (which itself is made up of the Greek roots theo ("God"
and broma ("food"
, meaning "food of the gods"
[5] with the suffix -ine given to alkaloids and other basic nitrogen-containing compounds.[6]
Theobromine is a slightly water-soluble (330 mg/L[7]), crystalline, bitter powder; the colour has been listed as either white or colourless.[8] It has a similar, but lesser, effect than caffeine in the human nervous system, making it a lesser homologue. Theobromine is an isomer of theophylline, as well as paraxanthine. Theobromine is categorized as a dimethyl xanthine.[9]
. . . .
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theobromine
Duval
(4,280 posts)Historic NY
(40,021 posts)Miracle Grow and a few other brands sold by Home Depot & Lowes alike...its has a horrible smell. I have a mulch processor near me many years ago they trucked in lots of stuff from Hersheys but it was so mixed with the local recycled stuff (huge) mountains after a few weeks we could no longer smell the cocoa smell. They sell this to the public but mostly it got out to large commercial vendors. I did find both HD & Lowes sell cedar mulch, I like it because it smells better.
We have one of the largest operations in the northeast when it comes to recycling debris...they were used after 911 to search for remains.
Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Never encountered Cocoa Mulch.
I guess if I happen to find a bag somewhere, I'll alert the manager.
TheBlackAdder
(29,981 posts)Question:
Is it true that Cocoa Mulch is harmful to dogs?
Answer:
It is true that studies have shown that 50% of the dogs that eat Cocoa Mulch can suffer physical harm to a variety of degrees (depending on each individual dog). However, 98% of all dogs won't eat it.
On the Animal Poison Control Center (ASPCA) web site, several common household products are listed that have proven harmful to dogs. Common lawn insecticides and insect killers are mentioned as being potentially life-threatening when ingested, specifically snail or slug bait. A 2-inch application of cocoa mulch in your plant beds will actually prevent germination of weeds, resulting in less weeds, acting as a deterrant for insects, snails and slugs. Following is a link to the ASPCA web site on outdoor household products that can be harmful to your pets. http://www.napcc.aspca.org/smalanml.htm#outdoor
===
Gotta like how they compare cocoa-like products to insecticides that dogs aren't attracted to.
http://web.archive.org/web/20020127003124/http://www.hersheys.com/mulch/FAQ.htm
TheBlackAdder
(29,981 posts)I doubt there are any other product on the market that can cause a possible 1 in 100 chance of physical harm to an animal.
G_j
(40,568 posts)wow, that's one jaw dropping response..
snagglepuss
(12,704 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)ice cream and I have to keep it away all summer long. I read here years ago how dangerous it is for pets, so I am grateful.
http://www.lowes.com/pd_290302-1802-RWPR20P_4294780402_4294937087_?productId=3126401
jeff47
(26,549 posts)Because this is:
1) Old.
2) Not really true
3) Vastly overstates what little danger there was.
G_j
(40,568 posts)and this was posted in the thread,
http://www.aspcapro.org/mydocuments/download.php?f=cocoa-mulch.pdf
Better to be safe than sorry?
jeff47
(26,549 posts)No.
There's a trillion risks we take every day. The vast majority of them are trivial risks, so it doesn't even occur to us that walking down stairs can be deadly.
If you're gonna be worried about this particular product, then there's a million other products you should keep from your house. Including tap water.
G_j
(40,568 posts)it's right there! Exactly as posted from a legitimate animal hospital, who may, or may not have been aware of the age of the posted story. The dangers appear to be supported by the ASPCA. http://www.aspcapro.org/mydocuments/download.php?f=cocoa-mulch.pdf
So sue me..
Jamastiene
(38,206 posts)There are dogs out there who will eat the damnedest things. Better safe than sorry. It is worth warning people if it is at least partly true.
Triana
(22,666 posts)...but this stuff should be banned for use as mulch. Period. Even if those with outdoor pets didn't use it, other people's dogs or cats - or just wandering animals around the neighborhood would no doubt eat it and die.
Hershey's should be sued to Hell and back for this and the crap should be banned for sale as mulch.
bigtree
(94,243 posts). . . no noticeable effect.
DRoseDARs
(6,810 posts)Fail. Fail. Fail. Too bad it's the dogs that have to die for everyone else's stupidity.
titaniumsalute
(4,742 posts)Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)G_j
(40,568 posts)"Vomiting and muscle tremors were the most common signs of toxicosis that occurred following ingestion. Anecdotal evidence suggests that the severity of clinical signs increased when larger amounts were ingested. Other signs were tachycardia, hyperactivity, and diarrhea.
One report, published in a 1984 Journal of American Veterinary Medical Association, notes:
A dog, which ingested a lethal quantity of garden mulch made from cacao bean shells, developed severe convulsions and died 17 hours later. Analysis of the stomach contents and the ingested cacao bean shells revealed the presence of lethal amounts of theobromine."
FarCenter
(19,429 posts)ColumbusLib
(158 posts)... It's like mulching with cocoa krispies! It's light, fluffy, easy to toss around, smells very chocolate-y. It's my favorite mulch to apply because it's so fast, easy, and pleasant to use. I only use it in a raised bed up against the front of the house, have never had any problems with dogs there. It's more expensive than other mulches, but easily attainable through Ohio Mulch.
knitter4democracy
(14,350 posts)Worms love it! It's been the best soil building mulch I've ever used, and my dog doesn't seem interested at all. I only use it on my edibles gardens, not the landscaping stuff.
frylock
(34,825 posts)BillyRibs
(787 posts)They wont eat Lickerish root or Tire Mulch. Why do they make this other crap!?