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kag

(4,079 posts)
Tue May 28, 2013, 04:12 PM May 2013

Why Newtown is Different

(I hope this passes the exceptions rule on guns. I wrote it this morning after reading the New Republic article.)


I wouldn't have understood it before I had children. For the first thirty years of my life I considered myself a sane, rational human being. But once my son was born, and then my daughter, I began to understand that my youthful assumptions had simply ignored the suppressed tendencies that emerged once I was a parent, and I became a different creature altogether.

And what is that? An irrational, thoroughly untempered wild animal whose sole purpose in life is to protect the children I have borne. Nothing else matters. Ever. The impulse to protect our children outweighs everything, sometimes even the law, sometimes even our own self-preservation. I remember my husband trying to explain to my son why there were terrorists in the world. Without, of course, condoning violence, he attempted to illustrate the hopelessness that exists in some corners of the world, "What would you do if your child was sick, and the person who had the medicine that would save your child's life wouldn't give it to you, even though it would simply go to waste in his possession?" Naturally, our son couldn't understand, but he will some day. When he is protecting his own children.

As parents we all understand, even if we cannot empathize, the pain that the parents of the children at Sandy Hook Elementary have suffered. This doesn't assume that non-parents cannot also understand. Indeed I have friends with no children of their own who have adopted mine (pseudo godparents, or adopted aunts and uncles), and I believe they would protect my children as passionately as I would. The instinct is in all of us, and it is raw and fierce.

And that, I believe, is why Newtown is different. The fact that innocents were killed has never been enough. Even Columbine, which I think until now came the closest to tapping that wild-animal instinct, wasn't enough for us to all feel the hurt, indeed the betrayal, that Newtown instilled. Betrayal? Yes, the betrayal by our fellow man to not have somehow stopped this from happening. It wasn't bad enough that teenagers, who at least have stronger abilities to protect themselves, were murdered on our watch. But five-year olds? How did we let this happen? As parents we not only feel betrayed by each other, but ashamed of ourselves. We, none of us, can look the Newtown families in the eye and claim to have done enough. No shower in the world will wash away that stain.

And not only did we not protect the children! We didn't even protect the people who were protecting the children! The heroic efforts of the adult victims at Sandy Hook prevented even more children from dying, but they had to lose their lives to do it. Shame on us! How could we!?

Even after the horrific shooting in Tucson, the only two names I remembered for years were Gabriella Giffords and Christina Taylor Green. Christina was nine years old when she was gunned down. My own daughter was thirteen, and I could barely look at her that day without crying.

And the beat goes on. The ridiculous assertions of the NRA that what is needed now is more guns, guns in schools, and fewer gun restrictions are not only absurd on their face, they belie the almost daily drum beat of news about accidental shootings, domestic violence shootings, and shootings by gangs in turf wars or drug wars. Without guns, these wouldn't even be wars. Problems, perhaps, but not wars. We hear of shootings of police officers, fire fighters, and even civilians who simply want to help an injured person. We read of road rage shootings, drive by shootings, and shootings like the one that occurred in my own small town when a beloved husband, friend and father was senselessly murdered because he was in the wrong place at the wrong time when a disturbed man with a gun snapped.

Yes, Newtown is different. It is why the NRA is now on its heels. It's why Mayor Bloomberg feels compelled to spend his millions on stopping the next Newtown from happening, the next place name to become the name of a disastrous loss of life because someone was able to get their hands on a gun and ammunition too easily. Newtown, Tucson, Aurora, Columbine, ad nauseam. Where will it happen next? Throw a dart at a map, and that could be it…unless.

Unless we keep our promises to our children. Unless we keep our promises to ourselves and to each other to protect the most innocent and defenseless among us. Unless we stop the easy sale of guns and bullets to anyone with enough money. Unless we keep those assault weapons, those death machines out of the hands of the mentally ill, the immature, and the criminal.

"They want to repeal the second amendment!!!!" Cries the NRA, the most vocal front for the gun manufacturers. "They want to take away our guns!" they warn. Well, you're damn right we do! If you can't be bothered to keep it contained and safe from anyone too ill, young, drunk, careless or demonstrably evil getting their hands on it, then HELL YES! I want to take away your guns! I never again want your gun to kill your child or my child or anyone's child. If you're too lazy, stupid or just don't care enough to keep your instrument of death away from those who should not have it, then yeah, I fiercely wish to take away your gun!

Why? Because Newtown was different.

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Why Newtown is Different (Original Post) kag May 2013 OP
This message was self-deleted by its author guyton May 2013 #1
thank you G_j May 2013 #2
Excellent post malaise May 2013 #3
Well written, but... Demo_Chris May 2013 #4
+1000. LAGC May 2013 #7
No one of any actual authority has proposed a wholesale gun ban. Tommy_Carcetti May 2013 #14
okay, so.... kag May 2013 #10
You should address what I actually wrote rather than your strawman... Demo_Chris May 2013 #11
the passion and the feel tiny elvis May 2013 #13
Because apparently if you care about reducing poverty and hunger.... Tommy_Carcetti May 2013 #18
Change the subject. That's all they do Uzair May 2013 #22
K&R. Very well written. Robb May 2013 #5
Thanks, Robb. kag May 2013 #12
Heh. Well, thanks. Robb May 2013 #16
We are different after Newtown,and if someone is not, then they need the white coats. MichiganVote May 2013 #6
Kick. nt Robb May 2013 #8
Here here! Just Saying May 2013 #9
Different? not so much. Crepuscular May 2013 #15
The original Boston Massacre was unprecedented news at the time. Now it's largely forgotten. Nimajneb Nilknarf May 2013 #24
You summed up my feelings perfectly. 100%. Thank you. Tommy_Carcetti May 2013 #17
Thank you, so much... kag May 2013 #23
Post removed Post removed May 2013 #19
Please proceed, governor..... Tommy_Carcetti May 2013 #20
Too late maddezmom May 2013 #21
I'm sure it would just have been some bullshit.... Tommy_Carcetti May 2013 #27
Post removed Post removed May 2013 #26
Well said. (nt) Paladin May 2013 #25

Response to kag (Original post)

 

Demo_Chris

(6,234 posts)
4. Well written, but...
Tue May 28, 2013, 06:27 PM
May 2013

Bullocks. Newtown is only different in one way from a thousand big and small tragedies a week. That difference is that this time it was a gun, and that fed into the anti-gun passion many already feel. If the motivation were our children's welfare we would see a hundred threads a day demanding we actually FEED our kids, insisting that we actually educate them and provide for their healthcare, calling on our government to help their parents.

One in five American children go to bed without fucking food every day. One in five. Right now, as I am typing this, MILLIONS of American children are lying in bed with their stomachs hurting because they cannot fucking eat. They'll eat tomorrow, at school, their main and only mean of the day, assuming the money is there to fund their school lunch program. One in five.

One in ten aren't at home at all. They have no home. Their home is their parent's car or the cot at the shelter or a friend's floor or couch. They don't have any toys or clothes they cannot carry in a suitcase, and when winter comes what they want for Christmas is a coat. They go to school wearing the blanket they slept in, because that's what they own. These kids aren't scared of some lightning strike maniac with a gun, they are scared of hunger and cold and losing everything.

So no, I am not buying the "Think of the children" mantra. I AM thinking of the children -- others are thinking and talking about guns.

LAGC

(5,330 posts)
7. +1000.
Tue May 28, 2013, 07:20 PM
May 2013

There are much bigger problems than the occasional mass-shooting spree in our country today.

Gun violence is at a 20-year low in this country, yet some still think its worth all the wasted political capital pissing off gun-owners and handing Republicans an easy wedge-issue to hammer us with time and time again, just like they did in 1994 and will probably do again in 2014, if history has anything to say about it.

If the goal is to reduce the amount of guns out there in circulation, threatening gun bans is one sure fire way to NOT reach that goal -- all it does is make people want to rush out there and buy more guns.

If the gun control side would just shut up and quit fanning the flames, gun ownership would keep gradually declining as the violent crime rate keeps falling and people don't feel the need to own one to protect themselves.

But some can't see the forest for the trees.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,172 posts)
14. No one of any actual authority has proposed a wholesale gun ban.
Wed May 29, 2013, 07:50 AM
May 2013

The "worst" that's been proposed has been a prohibition on semi-automatic assault rifles (the weapon of choice of the two most recent prominent mass shooting), guns of extremely questionable necessity in the hands of the public populace.

Other than that, the talk has been of things as truly horrific as closing loopholes in the background check system and cracking down on straw purchasers. The gall of us gun control folks! Shame! Shame!

I'm sorry. The problem is not those advocating for common sense gun reform.

The blame rests solely in the hands of the gun lobby, their spook stories and their stubborn refusal to acknowledge that guns, while they may have a limited role in society, are deadly weapons designed to be deadly weapons and should not be treated as ordinary household objects.

Get your damn priorities straight.

kag

(4,079 posts)
10. okay, so....
Wed May 29, 2013, 12:52 AM
May 2013

since you don't like it that there are poor children on the planet, the ones who aren't poor can just go get shot and no one should give a shit?

pardon, while I ignore you.

 

Demo_Chris

(6,234 posts)
11. You should address what I actually wrote rather than your strawman...
Wed May 29, 2013, 01:23 AM
May 2013

But then I guess you are ignoring me. On the off chance you are not, I would like to say again that your OP actually was very nicely written.

tiny elvis

(979 posts)
13. the passion and the feel
Wed May 29, 2013, 04:06 AM
May 2013

other things are also bad
generally applicable to any subject, simplifies to extraneity

comparative passion and feel example

more of same
'These kids aren't scared of some... gun'
yes they are, more than my kids

gun mantra
i am not buying 'think of the children.' i am thinking of the children

supercalifragilisticexpialidocious comment

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,172 posts)
18. Because apparently if you care about reducing poverty and hunger....
Wed May 29, 2013, 10:46 AM
May 2013

....there's no more room to talk about gun violence in this country.

Gotcha.

 

Uzair

(241 posts)
22. Change the subject. That's all they do
Wed May 29, 2013, 11:04 AM
May 2013

Hey everybody, look over there! Let's keep pretending that there's no gun problem in America! Let's keep pretending that other countries have not solved this problem already! All so we get to play with our toys!

Robb

(39,665 posts)
16. Heh. Well, thanks.
Wed May 29, 2013, 09:47 AM
May 2013

I'm more of a practiced whiner with good timing.

You've really captured the sense of palms-to-the-heavens helplessness parents feel after Newtown. Well done.

Just Saying

(1,799 posts)
9. Here here!
Tue May 28, 2013, 09:52 PM
May 2013

Gun people want rights without responsibility. Why must we wait until someone is dead to discuss gun safety? Oh wait! They don't even want to discuss it then.



Crepuscular

(1,057 posts)
15. Different? not so much.
Wed May 29, 2013, 08:36 AM
May 2013

The reality is that the American public has an exceedingly short attention span and in the minds of most Newtown is largely forgotten, as is the Boston Marathon bombing. The sad truth is that more people are focused on Kim Kardashian's pregnancy or Justin Biebers monkey, then are concerned with the aftermath of Newtown and similar tragedies.

 

Nimajneb Nilknarf

(319 posts)
24. The original Boston Massacre was unprecedented news at the time. Now it's largely forgotten.
Wed May 29, 2013, 01:24 PM
May 2013

A week from Monday all the chatter in the news and in blogs will be about the murder trial of George Zimmerman.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,172 posts)
17. You summed up my feelings perfectly. 100%. Thank you.
Wed May 29, 2013, 10:32 AM
May 2013

I can honestly say that no news story has ever impacted me like the Sandy Hook shooting has. None. As tragic as tragic stories are--natural disasters, war, disease--this one takes the cake in terms of news stories that turn me into an emotional mess whenever I hear about it.

Much of this I ascribe to being a parent of two young children. Every time I see a parent of one of the children from Sandy Hook, my mind goes to very dark places. Extremely dark places, as if wondering what I would be feeling if God forbid I were in such a horrific, horrific situation.

And yet you see the gun lobby, as if nothing has changed. They haven't changed a single talking point or bumper sticker slogan. And they are repeated, ad nauseum, including by people on here.

Things need to change.

My feelings on the gun issue were only brought into further perspective less than two months ago when there was a shooting (murder suicide, to be exact) in the office right next to mine at my office building. The shooter was a legal CCW holder, upper class and well-respected in the community (a so called "law abiding gun owner&quot , yet he managed to use his weapon to shoot his wife and himself. Hearing those gunshots and having to hide underneath my desk only brought home the issue of gun violence to me even more. It made me realize that while legislation is a very critical part of the solution, there also has to be an equally important change to people's thought process regarding guns in this country. There are way too many people own guns who arguably do not need them, and while you cannot ban private gun ownership entirely, you can ask that people re-evaluate their personal situation to determine whether they actually need the gun they have in their home, and whether their ownership of such a weapon is more of a threat than a help.

Thank you for posting this. I cannot recommend it enough (although DU rules only allows me to do so once ). Please do not be discouraged by the short-sighted Morlocks who might appear here and utter the same old tired lines they have been uttering for ages now.

kag

(4,079 posts)
23. Thank you, so much...
Wed May 29, 2013, 01:22 PM
May 2013

for your kind words. I'm so sorry you had to go through that shooting. It must have been terrifying.

My own experience that I alluded to in the OP is what happened to a good friend's family. She is a teacher at our local elementary school, and they had (have) two daughters who were elementary and middle school age at the time. We live in small ski resort town, and her husband managed the resort. We're a pretty close community. One morning one of the resort employees came into the locker room where everyone was preparing for the day. He had a gun and was waving it and crying out some religious crap. They were all paralyzed with fear. He shot once into the ceiling, and so Brian came into the room asking what was going on. The guy pointed the gun at him and said something like "are you Christian?" He replied "I'm Catholic." The shooter fired once into his chest, killing him almost instantly.

Fortunately one of our own local Sherriff's dept. officers who lives near me, got the call, and was able to stop--actually, kill--the shooter in a shootout a short time later.

Our whole town was just destroyed. It was unbelievable. It has taken years to try to cope, and both my friend, who still teaches at the elementary school and her daughters have had a rough time. Even the Sheriff's deputy still has some emotional issues about the shooting. I believe he's a hero, but I think the incident changed him.

Didn't mean to ramble, but thank you again for your very kind words. Peace.

Response to kag (Original post)

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,172 posts)
20. Please proceed, governor.....
Wed May 29, 2013, 10:52 AM
May 2013

"Possible manufactured reality"

Reality: A mentally disturbed person took his mom's legally purchased guns, including an AR-15, shot her, then went to a school and shot 26 other people, including 20 first graders, before shooting himself.

I would love for you to elaborate before eating a pizza.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,172 posts)
27. I'm sure it would just have been some bullshit....
Thu May 30, 2013, 10:19 AM
May 2013

.....about the AR-15 being left in the trunk, even though the police reports clearly indicate that it was the murder weapon.

Super kooky crazy bonus points for the, "They're all actors" bullshit.

Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Reply #20)

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