Russia Warns Obama: Monsanto

[maindawg]

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Russia Warns Obama: Monsanto
Posted: May 28th, 2013 ˑ Filled under: Top News ˑ 32 Comments

The shocking minutes relating to President Putin’s meeting this past week with US Secretary of State John Kerry reveal the Russian leaders “extreme outrage” over the Obama regimes continued protection of global seed and plant bio-genetic giants Syngenta and Monsanto in the face of a growing “bee apocalypse” that the Kremlin warns “will most certainly” lead to world war.

According to these minutes, released in the Kremlin today by the Ministry of Natural Resources and Environment of the Russian Federation (MNRE), Putin was so incensed over the Obama regimes refusal to discuss this grave matter that he refused for three hours to even meet with Kerry, who had traveled to Moscow on a scheduled diplomatic mission, but then relented so as to not cause an even greater rift between these two nations.

At the center of this dispute between Russia and the US, this MNRE report says, is the “undisputed evidence” that a class of neuro-active insecticides chemically related to nicotine, known as neonicotinoids, are destroying our planets bee population, and which if left unchecked could destroy our world’s ability to grow enough food to feed its population.

So grave has this situation become, the MNRE reports, the full European Commission (EC) this past week instituted a two-year precautionary ban (set to begin on 1 December 2013) on these “bee killing” pesticides following the lead of Switzerland, France, Italy, Russia, Slovenia and Ukraine, all of whom had previously banned these most dangerous of genetically altered organisms from being used on the continent.

Two of the most feared neonicotinoids being banned are Actara and Cruiser made by the Swiss global bio-tech seed and pesticide giant Syngenta AG which employs over 26,000 people in over 90 countries and ranks third in total global sales in the commercial agricultural seeds market.

[maindawg]

1. Putin threatens world war over Monsanto

Do we have your attention yet ?

[Apophis]

2. + infinity.

[NYC_SKP]

3. I'm on their side.

Downloading "Seeds of Death: Unveiling The Lies of GMO's" right now to watch later.

[arcane1]

5. Oooh, that looks interesting. How do you download it?

I have a crappy connection here

[NYC_SKP]

6. I believe you have to use Firefox with a Firefox Add-On for YouTube dowloading:

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/firefox/addon/easy-youtube-video-downl-10137/

Once you have it, there it is whenever you go to youtube!

[arcane1]

10. Well now, you have just made my day! Thanks! :)

[NCLefty]

32. It's great if you like malware!

Read the comments:

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/firefox/addon/easy-youtube-video-downl-10137/reviews/

[geek tragedy]

17. Nice source for your OP.

I particularly like their Sandy Hook Trutherism. Very cutting edge investigative journalism.

Is that why you trust them on this kind of story?

[djean111]

21. Not diffcult to believe, though - Bloomberg reported on Sept. 12, 2012 that Russia halted imports

of GMO corn.
So - I'll hope for the best, which would be that the story is true.

[geek tragedy]

24. Do you really find it plausible that Putin threatened Obama

with global war over Monsanto?

[djean111]

25. I guess I am hoping that it is true - at least the idea of there being some sort of penalty

for Monsanto shipping ruinous shit all over the world. What if the bees do die?
Monsanto says oopsie?

[geek tragedy]

28. The problem is indeed serious. Unfortunately, this story is pure fiction. nt

[NCLefty]

34. Derp!

[Champion Jack]

47. Bingo

[rdharma]

36. No Putin did NOT threaten world war over Monsanto.

Not even the half-baked "Alex Jones" type article by Top Info Post claimed that!

[geek tragedy]

56. You've gotten DU's attention, albeit by knowingly posting false information

from a nutjob conspiracy site.

Well done!

[glinda]

61. I'm with them!

[marions ghost]

4. K&R

Go Russians

[MuseRider]

7. Somebody has to do something

Lord knows we can't make any headway with this. Nobody is listening. Maybe threatening war will at least open an eye or two?

[reformist2]

8. It's so sad that we have to rely on other governments to battle the transnational corporations!

It's not that these other governments are any good, it's just that they haven't been bribed yet. Ours, on the other hand, was captured a long, long time ago.

[djean111]

9. Obviously, Monsanto needs to send lobbyists to Russia, and to start bribing Russian politicians.

Good for Russia!

[felix_numinous]

11. Alright!!

If this is what it takes to change this administration's relationship with Monsanto, so be it.

[DakotaLady]

14. Thank you felix_numinous

for your post ... we can only hope.

[Fuddnik]

59. It would make a better use of drones.

[freshwest]

12. I agree with this graphic from the link:

This is gross stupidity and a disgusting example of monopoly power. I maintain that Money, Profit and Capitalism are not sacred, not even valuable in the long term. If one cannot argue economics, or is indebted to the science of this so much as to wear blinders to proven biological truths, the history of Life on Earth still proves them wrong.

[BrotherIvan]

18. + billions and billions

Excellent graphic, especially those whose argument is that being anti-GMO is anti-science which is pure hogwash.

[ReRe]

26. I agree with the graphic too, freshwest

... but I can reduce it even further: GMO agriculture is nothing but diabolical EVIL INCARNATE!

[byeya]

29. I have never read anything at variance with the graphic; I agree too.

[msongs]

13. Kerry's job is to pimp our corporations, among other things nt

[Safetykitten]

15. He's a commie, what does he know. Our guys know what is best for THIS planet.

[geek tragedy]

16. This story is almost certainly FALSE.

Source is a crackpot website run by the typical Rense/Alex Jones type nutters (Boston and Sandy Hook Truthers)

See, e.g.,

http://topinfopost.com/2013/04/28/latest-analysis-boston-marathon-bombing-totally-staged-video

http://topinfopost.com/2013/05/23/scotty-walker-arrested-for-exposing-sandy-hook-truth

[Autumn]

23. Is the EU a crackpot source?

http://www.eutimes.net/2013/05/russia-warns-obama-global-war-over-bee-apocalypse-coming-soon/

just trying to find a source. I'm very interested in this.

[geek tragedy]

27. EU Times is CRAZY white supremacists and not affiliated with the EU

How crazy?

http://www.eutimes.net/2013/01/obama-death-squads-kill-top-gun-activists-as-new-massacre-fears-rise/

http://www.eutimes.net/2013/01/obama-death-squads-fan-out-across-america-as-rebellion-looms/

http://www.eutimes.net/2013/01/russia-orders-obama-tell-world-about-aliens-or-we-will/

http://www.eutimes.net/2011/11/obama-issues-ron-paul-kill-order-as-russia-prepares-for-war/

[rdharma]

37. Geek tragedy, you are 100% spot on!

I hate Monsanto as much as anybody........ but this hyped BS about world war is coming from crackpot sources!

[geek tragedy]

39. Well, GD=Creative Speculation, so what the heck?

Seriously, we make fun of Fox News viewers for their insularity and gullibility, and then allow this kind of crap to be treated as credible.

[LongTomH]

51. Thanks, geek tragedy! We need to be more careful of the sources we cite!

There's enough disinformation on the internet without adding more!

[geek tragedy]

53. No problem. Gotta be smarter than the Fox news crowd! nt

[DevonRex]

50. Psst. Not the EU. They're just trying real hard to look legit.

I know, it's easy to get fooled that way. It's happened to me before, too.

[Fla Dem]

19. Switzerland has the balls and smarts to ban products made by a company domiciled in Switzerland

"Two of the most feared neonicotinoids being banned are Actara and Cruiser made by the Swiss global bio-tech seed and pesticide giant Syngenta AG".

"So grave has this situation become, the MNRE reports, the full European Commission (EC) this past week instituted a two-year precautionary ban (set to begin on 1 December 2013) on these “bee killing” pesticides following the lead of Switzerland, France, Italy, Russia, Slovenia and Ukraine, all of whom had previously banned these most dangerous of genetically altered organisms from being used on the continent."

God, if only our politicians would grow a pair.

[Autumn]

20. There's a shocker. A world leader who actually gets the seriousness of the problem.

K/R for Putin.

[DevonRex]

60. Except it didn't happen.

First clue should've been that it was Putin. I mean, really? He'd sell his babushka for medical experimentation if he didn't feel like paying for a nursing home. He could give a shit about Monsanto unless its in the form of making him some cash from other countries who want his supply of seed. And Russia has quite a stash.

Second clue was the source. One click on the home page and you have disgusting Sandy Hook truther BS. A click on their conspiracy page will take you into crazy. Luckily it's pretty limited. There's one out there that's much worse and that has links that will take you all over the world.

[Autumn]

62. Yeah, I'm heartbroken LOL I checked the source when it

posted, and thanks for clearing up the EU source. But damn a girl can dream. But the bee die off is alarming and it would be nice for a world leader to be concerned about it.

[undeterred]

22. Well I hope John Kerry gets it.

Isn't Theresa Heinz Kerry an environmentalist?

[Gore1FL]

30. I can't find any credible support for this

A Google search of <Putin Monsanto> only provides pages of conspiracy sites.
A Google search of <Putin Kerry> didn't return anything really credible--at least on this topic

Finally, a Google search of <putin kerry may 2013 minutes> returned nothing supportive, but I did find a link that described Putin as always late and stated "Last week Putin kept John Kerry, the US secretary of state, waiting for an astonishing three hours, while he berated his cabinet."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/may/10/cameron-talks-putin-syria-purposeful

Sorry, but this smells an awful lot like bullshit.

[SidDithers]

38. It's total and complete bullshit...

if you want to spend an hilarious half-hour or so, google Sorcha Faal, the author of the article in the OP, and read some of "her" work.

There's crazy, and then there's Sorcha Faal crazy.

Sid

[SidDithers]

31. Link broken, but lemme guess. Sorcha Faal?...

Check your fucking sources, people.

Edit: link OK now, must be a bad connection for me. And I was right.

Sorcha Faal is the fucking craziest CTer on the internet.
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Sorcha_Faal

Even other dumbass CTers think Sorcha Faal is crazy.



Sid

[geek tragedy]

33. Unsuccessfully alerted. But, we've already seen that GD=Creative Speculation.

How long before Rense.com gets treated as a legit source by GD hosts?

[SidDithers]

35. Yup...

we've seen naturalnews, globalresearch, eutimes and now Sorcha-fucking-Faal in GD this week.

Remember when DU used to have standards about the kind of material allowed in GD?

Damn I miss moderators who knew what they were doing.

Sid

[rdharma]

40. It's worse than that......

Not only did the OP cite nut job "conspiracy sites" for his post, he/she also embellished on what was actually in the article!

Nowhere in the article does it claim that Putin threatened world war!

I'm going to alert again. THIS INTENTIONAL BS MUST STOP!

[freshwest]

41. I don't believe Putin is threatening anyone. But I agree with the graphic I posted.

Putin is not about to go to war over anything. The Russians have their hands full, just like we do. I'm not sure anyone other than the 'we're all gonna die' crowd believes all of this.

That's a scare tactic used by promoters of libertarianism and tribalism against representative democracy. It's also anti-Obama propaganda.

The actions of the USDA and Obama come from several disciplines and are being done for many reasons to suit many factions. But monoculturalism, killing soil microoraganisms with heavy fertilizer, herbicide and pesticide use is short-term gain methodology. The world is indeed a laboratory, but often the pure chemical approach is lacking in sustaining living.

Humans have always done forms of genetic modifications to plants and animals. But now it is being done for monopoly power and profit, not long-term plans.

So I understand why this was alerted - the intent may have been to inform, may have been to demonize Obama, or just ease the anxieties of some on the website.

Putin has a sense of humor, appears to love life and his country, and has supporters and haters.

Perhaps I'm tired of fighting the woo and looking for whatever is good, but that's just me.

[geek tragedy]

42. This is an important and legitimate issue. But this kind of thread/story

makes anti-GM activists and agitators look like gullible, ill-informed kooks, which may be the entire purpose.

It's trolling of one kind or another, that's for sure.

What Monsanto does is awful enough--no need to embellish and fabricate.

[rdharma]

43. Freshwest, I agree with you. But posting BS exagerations (like the OP did) is NOT helpful.......

And it makes DUers look like dummies if they swallow the BS!

[freshwest]

57. Oh, damn, I went to the website. Obama the anti-Christ, Boston bombing and Sandy Hook truthers.

Yeah, it looks pretty bad. We've had some good threads on this subject, though.

I'm leaving my reply but will withdrawfrom this thread, not going to judge anyone getting into this. Other posts will show what this is about.

It seems like this would be a SOP host lock, though, and it's inflammatory.

[snort]

44. Gee, if only Monsanto

could sell you seeds that wouldn't need to be germinated to produce, then you wouldn't need any damned bees, would you? You would only need Monsanto.

[SidDithers]

45. I find it stunning that 33 DUers would put their name to a rec for a Sorcha Faal article...

transparency is awesome.



Sid

[rdharma]

48. Transparency is awesome.......

...... and very telling!

[DevonRex]

46. LOL!!! That site is for the most outrageous conspiracy theorists on the planet. nt

[Champion Jack]

49. Ask yourself, has this story been on ANY site that isn't a total Nutjob/tinfoil hat site?

[rdharma]

55. Maybe the OP and those who gave recs can tell us!

[sagat]

52. From the same site:

CNBC admits the existence of the ‘illuminati’ on live television !!

http://topinfopost.com/2013/05/24/cnbc-the-illuminati-and-a-new-world-order

Nice source you got there.

[geek tragedy]

54. Sandy Hook Truthers too. Real gem of a website. nt

[AverageJoe90]

58. More WWIII fearmongering? Really?

Hey, nobody likes Monsanto, but this is just plain bullshit. Putin may be Russia's Dubya, but he's not nearly foolhardy enough to start WWIII.....

[cyberswede]

63. Locking.

No conspiracy theories in GD.