18 year old guy seduces 14 year old guy. Criminal act?

[elehhhhna]

Weigh in, please.

[loli phabay]

1. yes.

[NightWatcher]

2. Stop, please!

The horse is dead

[Liberal Veteran]

3. Are you sure? Really sure? Super-duper sure?

Maybe a couple of more pokes will bring it back to life as a zombie?

[Honeycombe8]

34. Couldn't say it any better. If an 18 year old horse..... (fill in the blank)...:) nt

[TeeYiYi]

77. 14 year old zebra? ...donkey? ...unicorn?

TYY

[dballance]

59. I really, really agree. Poor, dead, dead, dead horse.

I think we've beaten that horse far past where we needed to.

[Ian David]

4. If the guy was 17 when he seduced the other guy, and then they continued dating after he turned 18..

... then it might be criminal, because on his 18th birthday, his magic exploitation superpowers emerge at the stroke of midnight.

[Liberal Veteran]

9. If he was born at 11:59pm, would he have an extra 23 hours and 59 minutes of non-exploitation?

A question for the philosophers.

[dballance]

61. Thanks for the absurd.

I'm laughing.

[Ian David]

71. Only if he wears the magic gauntlets. n/t

[book_worm]

5. yes

same as if it were a 18 year old woman and 14 year old boy or 18 year old man and 14 year old girl or 18 year old woman and 14 year old girl

[Ken Burch]

28. In some states, an 18 year old boy and a 14 year old girl

can get married.

[Sgent]

32. None that I know of

without the parents permission.

And even in those states, they can marry but until they are married they cannot have sex.

[sofa king]

35. But until they do they cannot fornicate.

[Ian David]

72. My father was 19 when he married my mom who was 16. n/t

[dkf]

6. Depends what the law is.

[RC]

75. The law is always sacrosanct

We must always follow the law, because our law makers know what is best for us.

[dkf]

76. Pretty much.

You don't get to argue how lame a law is when they catch you. If people got off with that defense what's the point of laws?

[RC]

79. Actually, you can.

And if that doesn't work, do it at your trial.

[Auggie]

7. Yes

[Pragdem]

8. No. nt

[arely staircase]

13. where?

it is in any state in the US. lowest age of consent is 16.

[Egalitarian Thug]

10. What? You have some problem with the time honored tradition of trying to dictate personal

behavior based on the irrefutable "because I say so" principle?

Why do you hate America?

[arely staircase]

11. yes, in the united states anyway

State laws

Each U.S. state (and the District of Columbia) has its own age of consent. Currently state laws set the age of consent at 16, 17 or 18. The most common age is 16.[46]
age of consent 16 (30): Alabama, Alaska, Arkansas, Connecticut, District of Columbia, Georgia, Hawaii, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, Montana, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Jersey, North Carolina, Ohio, Oklahoma, Rhode Island, South Carolina, South Dakota, Vermont, Washington, West Virginia
age of consent 17 (9): Colorado, Illinois, Louisiana, Missouri, Nebraska, New Mexico, New York, Texas, Wyoming
age of consent 18 (12): Arizona, California, Delaware, Florida, Idaho, North Dakota, Oregon, Tennessee, Utah, Virginia, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania[47]

[Yo_Mama]

12. Yes, age of consent is 16 or over in the US

It wouldn't be in some countries with lower ages of consent.

[awoke_in_2003]

18. But in those countries...

the same sex issue is probably illegal.

[Yo_Mama]

46. No, quite a few European countries are 14 or 15

Of those I remember right now, Germany & Austria are 14. Denmark is 15. Spain is the lowest in Europe at 13. I think with younger ages of consent there are often other provisions like a higher age of consent with educators, etc.

In Europe, the age of consent for heterosexual contact is generally the same as for homosexual contact. I think European common law now requires that.

Quite a few are also 16, such as Norway, the Netherlands and Switzerland. I think it is generally 16 now in the UK.

There is one exception in Europe - the Vatican! There I believe that you can only consent to sex in marriage, and that the minimum age for marriage is 14 for girls and 16 for boys.

[awoke_in_2003]

60. That surprises me. Thanks. nt

[Honeycombe8]

38. In some countries it's legal to cut out women's genitals and execute a woman who's been raped.

But we don't live in those countries. It's here in America where both men and women have rights.

[Yo_Mama]

47. Men and women have rights in Europe, for example

And quite a few European countries have ages of consent at 15 or less, though by no means all.

[Chan790]

14. No.

But I've been fairly consistent.

18 year old female:14 year old female::No.
18 year old male:14 year old female::No.
18 year old female:14 year old male::No.
18 year old male:14 year old male::No.
18 year old MtF transsexual:14 year old female::No.
18 year old FtM transsexual:14 year old female::No.
18 year old MtF transsexual:14 year old male::No.
18 year old FtM transsexual:14 year old female::No.
18 year old female:14 year old MtF transsexual::No.
18 year old male:14 year old MtF transsexual::No.
18 year old female:14 year old FtM transsexual::No.
18 year old male:14 year old FtM transsexual::No.

Based on the above, I think you can draw your own conclusions on the answer to the same question regarding people of androgynous gender-identities, genderfuck, intersex, and all other biological-sex/gender-identity permutations regardless of sexual orientation.

I do not think consensual sex between HS-aged individuals should be illegal.

[arely staircase]

16. the question wasn't whether it should be, but whether if it is

and in each of those scenarios the answer is yes in every state in the union.

[Chan790]

23. Interpretation of the parameters of any question are in the scope of the questioned.

It's up to me to interpret the terms of the question I am answering, not you as an observer. I choose to interpret the two-word question "Criminal Act?" as "Should it be a criminal act?" not "Is it a criminal act?" If they wanted an answer to a specific question, they need ask a more precise question.

[arely staircase]

24. you could answer it with a cake recipe

I suppose. I take "is it?" to mean "is it?" not "should it be?" I would take "should it be?" to mean "should it be?"

[Chan790]

33. Oh, now that's just obtuse.

You have to answer the question posed...but the question posed wasn't "Is it a criminal act?" it was literally two words "Criminal act?" leaving the interpretation of what was being asked upon the questioned. You cannot imply or infer the words "Is it a..." into the question and insist that is the only appropriate interpretation of the question posed.

Since now is as good of a place as any to put in this thread...the response you've been spewing all over this thread is factually-wrong...it's not illegal in at-least one state and probably more than one. Every state has "windows-of-permissibility" in their statutes, otherwise you'd have 16 year-and-2 day olds getting arrested constantly for fucking 15 year-and-11 month olds. I know for a fact the window of permissibility in the state of CT is "3 and any fraction years where the younger party is no less than 14 years of age." (In other words, as long as you're at-least 1 day short of 4 years difference and the younger party is at-least 14: legal.) Nearly-15 and barely-18 is not illegal in CT. It is strongly socially frowned upon...which is probably for the best.

Want to guess what state I grew up in which would cause me to know that? Feel free to pose a cake recipe in response though.

[arely staircase]

39. good god almighty

nt

[elehhhhna]

82. There's an app for that!

not kidding

[Ms. Toad]

49. On that, you would be wrong.

There are a number of states in which it is only against the law when the defendant is over a certain age, or there is a large enough gap between the two (10 years in two states). (And no, I'm not going to hunt up the links I've posted several times already - there is a handy-dandy, relatively recent chart that is a Google search away.)

[we can do it]

42. Nor do I.

[bowens43]

15. Wtf? Drop it already we get it

You want the older child to die in prison. Got it

[awoke_in_2003]

17. Of course. nt

[Iggo]

19. ...

...

[Katashi_itto]

20. To the trash

[cherokeeprogressive]

21. Fuck me I want to poke my eyes out with a tree limb. How about an 18 yo pit bull who's never bitten

and a 4 year old Golden Retriever that has? What if the pit bull misses, and it's anal sex?

Criminal act?

[BainsBane]

22. DUzy!

[LadyHawkAZ]

25. Should 18 year old pitbulls be allowed to smoke?

What about 14 year old pitbulls?

What about an 18 year old chihuahua that's bitten a pitbull?

I'm holding a conference at Olive Garden to discuss these important life questions. Bring your own chicken.

[BainsBane]

27. Should the pit bulls use e-cigarettes in public?

Inquiring minds want to know.

[Warren DeMontague]

50. I want to change my pitbull's diaper in Starbucks!

And my name is Laura Branigan.

[BainsBane]

51. Laura Branigan?

I must have missed that one.

[Warren DeMontague]

52. Another legendary DU flamewar, I think.

Right up there with Olive Garden.

[BainsBane]

53. I've only heard tales of the Olive Garden

It must have been before my time.

[Warren DeMontague]

55. They all sort of ooze together in my memory.

PETA. Now, we used to have much bigger fights about PETA and animal rights; not sure why that doesn't have the same traction, anymore.

[BainsBane]

57. One thing is certain

DUers love to worry about other people's parenting and issues of morality. I am continually amazed at the threads that get the most traction here.

[Warren DeMontague]

58. Aint that the truth.

[cherokeeprogressive]

31. No, but they should be allowed to buy chips and soda with their food stamps. n/t

[Chan790]

36. ...as long as the soda is not larger than 16 ounces in size.

None of those 32oz. "Big Gulp" cups.

[cherokeeprogressive]

37. Good point. n/t

[cynatnite]

48. I'm not coming unless there is a circumcision and breastfeeding panel. n/t

[arely staircase]

40. where did this occur?

a certain Italian restaurant chain?

[cherokeeprogressive]

41. As if there were any question LOL. n/t

[Skittles]

62. SCHEDULING CHEROKEEPROGRESSIVE FOR ASS KICKING

*EGREGIOUS ANALOGY*

[LWolf]

73. DUZY

[backscatter712]

26. No. Not a felony.

If it was a 45 year old forcing himself on a 5 year old, I'd lock him up.

Two hormones addled teenagers? No. Inappropriate, but better handled outside of the criminal justice system.

I hate feeding the prison-industrial complex.

[RC]

78. Absolutely agree

"Two hormones addled teenagers" covers this non-story quite well.

[BlueJazz]

29. In my second country it's 16 years for heterosexual sex and 18 years for homosexual sex.

[Nevernose]

44. Your second country is Nevada? n/t

[BlueJazz]

69. Australia (I'm a dual citizen)

Living here because of great friends.

[ZombieHorde]

64. That is interesting to me.

Which country is your second country?

[BlueJazz]

70. See above. :)

[loyalsister]

30. Yes

n\t

[Smarmie Doofus]

43. Define "seduces".

... And while we're at it, what if a 14 y.o. "seduces" an 18 y.o.

A criminal act for the 18 y.o. ?

What if the 14 y.o has an IQ of 130 and the 18 y.o has an IQ of 80?

I see no EZ answers here.

[Historic NY]

45. Can we start gettting locks on this broken record..........

whats next te age of consent of an amoeba and a human.

[Warren DeMontague]

56. I said before, I'm so hard core I don't think people should be allowed to masturbate on their own

18th birthday.

[southerncrone]

54. Yes.

The age difference at this stage of human development is significant. Fourteen yr old boys often idolize 18 yr old guys, because they seem worldly & knowledgeable of things 14 yr olds only dream about. Unfair power levels.

[ZombieHorde]

63. If the 18-year-old guy was mentally disabled,

and only had the mind of a nine-year-old boy, would the 14-year-old guy then be the exploiter?

[defacto7]

65. ALL SEX must stop now!

Then we won't have to have any more of these questions!

[olddots]

66. if a 14 year old tree falls in the woods ?

[napi21]

67. Yes. I don't know what the laws is, but any 18 yo seducing (having sexual relations with)

an under age child is a criminal act. Think about all the accusations made against two heterosexuals, one age 18-20+ having relations with the (usually) girlfriend age 16! They can, and many time are charged with statutory rape! I'm old now, but I rember any girl under 18 was considered jail bait!

[David__77]

68. What the hell is "seduces?" Intercourse? What?

There's something you're being coy about.

[gollygee]

74. I'm starting to think the romeo/juliet laws should allow for a 4-year age difference

so kids who go to the same school can date without the older one being called a predator.

It's one thing to troll around a high school after graduation looking for young kids to date, and another to meet someone in the school band or on a sports team and feel affection and start a relationship. There has to be some way to differentiate the two, regardless of what sex either or both are.

[NaturalHigh]

80. Legally yes.

And yes, I have seen it prosecuted.

[Nimajneb Nilknarf]

81. I think an 18-year-old who seeks the company of a 14-year-old has a maturity deficit at best

Or something far worse wrong with him.