The more the Right and FAUX News hates on Eric Holder

[uponit7771]

...the more I tend to want Obama to keep him around especially after reading the DOJ's side of the story(s) and not the M$Ms.

I don't trust the judgement of the culture of America's right these days, they are poisoned with the stupid to a degree of hate and the M$M isn't far from it.


Your take?


tia

[madokie]

1. I agree

[JustAnotherGen]

2. rec

[monmouth3]

3. Agree..n/t

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

4. The hate right here on DU has been astonishing. All day, all night--pure hatred! From Democrats!!!

[forestpath]

5. My take is Eric Holder is a horrible AG who lets the 1% get away with murder.

Just because the right hates him too is no reason for me to defend what I consider the indefensible.

[TheKentuckian]

7. +1

[Puzzledtraveller]

10. ^^this^^

[uponit7771]

13. I consider Holder and Obama "workable" meaning if we got the type of congress that moved

...left into office they'd move right along with them.

On the other hand if it was a GOPer leading the DOJ and White House it doesn't matter if we were Sweden they wouldn't move

[forestpath]

32. Holder's reasons for not doing his job have zero to do with Congress.

Holder came right out and said he wouldn't go after big bank criminals because it was too difficult.

Besides, we had a Democratic congress for Obama's first two years. Considering how our civil rights are eroding under Obama and Holder and how the DOJ's #1 priority seems to be busting medical marijuana users, I don't see how a GOPer leading the DOJ would act all that different from Holder.

[KoKo]

37. +1

[fredamae]

63. We only had a Dem

majority until GOP Sen Scott Brown replaced Kennedy--then it was "game on".
It "seems" like two years--but in reality it was more like 72 or so days...

[L0oniX]

17. ++++++++++++++++I can't rec this enough++++++++++++++++++++

...and to hell with the assholes who try to reframe this shit into right wing talking points.

[KoKo]

38. agree!

[bvar22]

18. I was just listening the Senator Bernie Sanders

being interviewed on Ed Schultz's XM radio Broadcast,
and Senator Sanders stated that he has some BIG problems with Holder and the DoJ,
concerning the current problems with surveillance of Americans and Reporters,
but also because he has turned a blind eye to Wall Street Criminals.

According the Senator Sanders,
there is plenty of evidence to prosecute some of the biggest criminals in America.

Of course, it is well known that Senator Sanders and Ed Schultz are nothing by Right Wing Trolls and whiners.

[uponit7771]

19. Replace holder with Sanders? What would we get in Obama admin? tia

[bvar22]

44. What are you trying to say?

Your post doesn't make any sense.

[uponit7771]

50. What if the left got everything it wanted in Holder, what would Obama admin be like then?

I would like to know what people THINK (keyword) would happen?

[John2]

57. I'm sorry, I don't see

this as you do. I think Eric Holder is very held to double standards because, he is Black and people think he is easier to pounce on. The reason I make this claim is because the majority of people in Obama's Administration people have targeted are his Black appointees.

I do not think anyone you suggest Obama replace Holder with will do any better job than Holder. They did the same to Susan Rice, but I don't see John Kerry doing any better than Rice. I think Eric Holder's problem is he needs to be emboldened in this second term. What is frustrating is Democrats assisting rightwing Republicans in defending the IRS,and FOX of all things. I think Eric Holder needs to do more of pushing back on FOX and the corporate Media. When he does get the guts to push back on the one percent, then the knives come out on both sides.

One thing I know for sure, it is not coming from the African American community or Hispanic community. And you know why, it is because they know Eric Holder's character! This man is not a corrupt person period! I bet none of you can say the same about the people making the accusations! Consider the accusers, Issa and the Rightwing Congress. FOX and their media peers circling their wagons because Holder got out of his perceived place, according to them. He didn't break any laws, he just got out of his place as a Black Attorney General. He has done nothing less than what any other white Attorney General has done in History holding that job. None of them was called on to resign by the corporate Media!

As far as I'm concerned, Eric Holder better not resign! Once and for all, I want someone to confront these assholes. If they want to take it up in the Electorate, so be it! None of them represent me, and never have!! Not the so called Press, Issa or that Rightwing cabal people are calling the Press at FOX! I want this power struggle with the Right and this phony Media! I want Holder to investigate these assholes more! And it is not too late to investigate the Banks! We got your back!

[siligut]

6. Absolutely, DUers falling for media spin is disheartening

The amount they hate on him, is directly related to how good a job he is doing.

[KoKo]

39. Calling out fellow DU'ers...are you?

[siligut]

52. Why? Did someone alert on my post?

Any juicy comments?

[KoKo]

60. I didn't and doubt it was alerted on. Rudeness rules sometimes...it's just

the way it is. However trashing fellow DU'ers in the way you did would seem to be against TOS.

[siligut]

62. More of a forlorn concern, then any sort of trashing

I don't believe it is a secret that I want everybody to be more aware of all of the influences, both subtle and blatant, that the GOP uses to defeat progress. I recognize that my focus on psyops may seem extreme to even the intelligent people of DU and that causes me some frustration. Really, intelligence doesn't play a big role in understanding the ways our minds can be influenced, but it is a factor in the willingness to learn.

[KoKo]

69. Psyops can work both ways though.. Have you thought about that? n/t

[siligut]

71. Yes, I think about the actual manipulation

I do have prejudice against the right-wing and fundie religions though, so I look even closer at them.

[TheDebbieDee]

8. I don't trust the judgement of the MSM either............

When it comes to some Intelligence matters, the American public (and our enemies) doesn't need to know everything.

The DOJ is going after the leak by tracking who is contacting the journalists. It's like working a maze by starting at the finish point and tracing a path to the start point - it's not about the journalist, it's about the treasonous leak.

And if the journalists are complaining that their sources are drying up, then that means that the treasonous leaks are thinking twice about their treason.

[Corruption Inc]

9. Think for yourself instead of reacting to the M$M

Look at Holder's record and see if it lines up with your opinions. The M$M is a sales medium, it can't make decisions for you.

[uponit7771]

11. They do for the most part, I'm not wanting 90% or even 70% just workable and he is

[Rex]

12. The M$M works for the GOP and they work for the 1%.

They cannot STAND the fact that unlike the last administration, Holder kept this all legal and official. UNLIKE the last group that got away with illegal wiretapping and domestic spying.

HOW EASY IT IS to believe the M$M, if you don't know their record. Which is beyond abysmal.

[rhett o rick]

14. I would like Holder a lot more if he spent more time

prosecuting the 1% than the 99%. Leave medical marijuana alone, please.

[uponit7771]

16. Yes I agree there are a handful of full stops for me in regards to Holder. If the right liked him I

....would be wanting him out and I'd bet some money so would Obama

[Pragdem]

15. The way Obama is treated by idiots of all political stripes...

I hope they all get everything they fear the most out of him.

He owes the far right or far left nothing. They had no part in putting him where he is.

[Anansi1171]

30. +1000 nt

[chowder66]

20. My question is how is Eric Holder

as AG compared to other Attorney Generals? I admit, I don't pay a lot of attention to this particular office. Holder seems to be examined to the nth degree though. I really don't have a problem with him. It sounds like "some" feel that they (DOJ or AG) do not do anything at all which can't be true. Seriously.

The mess they were left with must be pretty deep and with all the new laws that the previous administration passed I'm sure it makes the DOJ's life that much more complicated.
Can he go after past Presidents, VP's etc at will? It seems they are going after Wall Street actors and yet there is some benchmark that they are not reaching in the eye of those that "want him to go".

I don't know who it is the DOJ is supposed to be going after…by name, company and position…or other. And how can they if laws were passed making things legal or so muddied that there is no case or a very weak case that would end up costing more to go after with only a slim margin that they could win? I mean they must have to prioritize.

What exactly does the DOJ need to do in the mind of those that seem to think they are so terrible? And are there any known reasons why they may not be able to do this? Or is it that the DOJ really doesn't care about the people and only about money and the 1%. If so is there proof of this? Hard proof or just connect-the-dots observations?

[uponit7771]

22. Obama admin overall has been exceptional including DOJ when it comes to operational aspects....

...of governing.

I think what most people look at is the number of people in the 1% who haven't been tapped for law breaking vs everyone else.

Valid but it would be valid in any admin, the expectation was this one would be different...

I'm not disappointed because I think, given the right congress, the Obama admin including holder could be "worked"


Problem is it's easier to complain on political board than to turn some of these areas blue for congress

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

25. Thanks!! Easy to complain behind a keyboard, much harder to govern. Maybe I've lived in DC for

far too long!

The entire housing and banking industry has been deregulated. That deregulation began in earnest nearly 20 years ago. I truly believe that AG Holder and Eric Schneiderman haven't been able to make anything stick to the Wall Streeters is because nothing they did was illegal!! Deregulation led to the legalization of these fradulent practices.

[chowder66]

31. Thank you for responding….

That is my admittedly very basic understanding yet I keep noticing these calls for Holder to go; on forums, at Huffs Post, etc. It just feels so "let's get 'em" before any real reporting for further review is done. I don't want to be unfair about others concerns however.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

23. This president and his AG have gotten far more scrutiny from the political left than any

other president in the history of this great nation. I think I know the *real* reason why.

[chowder66]

35. I want to disagree with you on this….

and yet I can't because I can't prove that either way…... but I want to truly think that most are over scrutinizing because we have political forums and people are very opinionated. Politics are their passion or hobby and maybe they are now just hyper-vigilant. They go after all kinds of people so I am leaning towards the internet and passion being the reasons. I really want to be right about this. I won't discount your implication though because I feel that would be disrespectful to anyone being targeted based on everything but character and deeds. I know those people are out there that target based on anything different from themselves but I guess I hope most don't.

People are still angry, still hurting and still wanting justice. I feel for them because I am still feeling a lot from the last administration as well. I'm just tired of being angry, tired of hurting and not sure that the justice that needs to be done will ever be achievable considering the backhanded "protections" Bush and his buddies put into law for themselves. I'm sure there are advantages to some of those new laws that can be applied for good use but we tend to look for the bad because…well…..it's bad.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

42. I hope I'm wrong. I really do. And I agree with what you've written here. People are angry.

Passions run high and deep. Anger at Obama and Holder has some legitimacy. But when one steps back and considers what has happened on a larger scale, no other president has witnessed this level of hatred and vitrol. Again, let me reiterate that no one should agree with everything a politician does. And some of the concerns people have are legitimate. But again, look at the broader picture and there is this recurring pattern of hate rhetoric from BOTH ends of the spectrum that wasn't there when Bill Clinton deregulated the banking, mortgage and telecommunications industries. This level of hatred and vitrol wasn't there when Clinton implemented welfare reform and NAFTA. Even FDR didn't experience this degree of hatred. Even he had some friends in his own party. And he enjoyed huge majorities in both houses, not to mention some liberal/moderate Republicans. Same thing with LBJ. This president, however, has seen nothing but obstruction and vitrol directed his way since he announced his candidacy on the steps of the state house in Springfield, Illinois. Every since then, the hate continues unabated--from all sides of the political spectrum and from a recalcitrant corporate media that refuses to challenge the obstructionists (read: treason). And many--not all--on the far reaches of the political left seem to blame the president FIRST; I wish they put more energy into defeating Republicans at all levels of government as they do being angry at this president. And every single day, there's a new outrage. There's a new gripe or disconent regarding what the president has or has not done, even when the charge turns out to be unsubstantiated.

I desperately want to be wrong. I really do. But I also believe that the column Melissa Harris-Perry wrote two years ago has some merit. I do believe that Tim Wise was spot on in his assessments of the power structure and how this "newcomer" has been embroiled in it.

I blame Obama himself for being stupid, naieve, or both. He should have known that he could never put into action what he championed in theory. He was wrong about this nation moving forward and getting over its past ills. He was wrong to think that a political party, motivated by power, greed and hatred, would ever work with him, even when the proposals he put forth were agreeable to his detractors. Some of the blame is his and I point the finger squarely at him.

However, my point stands. And I hope its wrong, but seeing everything that I've seen, I haven't come across any evidence yet that proves otherwise.

[chowder66]

45. I definitely have seen what you are talking about

and it's heartbreaking. The vitriol reaches far and wide.
Internet bullying, hating on celebs more than ever, celebs attacking celebs, twitter wars, politics, every facet has it's attackers/haters. I don't get the addiction to hate or the payoff many must be experiencing. Personally I have to take long breaks from it because it is so hateful and angry. I have found myself even caught up in it…luckily it was very very rarely but still it made me sick to my stomach.

I don't blame President Obama for believing in our system of government and the concept of reaching across the isle. It should be a level of expectation we all have. It benefits us.

If the President doesn't believe in that then why should anyone else? He knew the system was breaking down or was broken but was hopeful about coming together after everything we had just gone through.
Why else run for office or fight for a better way? My cynicism was deep when Obama ran and I was for Clinton but that changed. His message made me aware of my cynicism and it was like a breath of fresh air to hope for something better again.

I do blame the Republicans that are party-liners and the democrats who do not seem to have valid reasons to vote against the majority. Some may have their valid concerns but others have petty concerns. Seeing the obstruction from the right and the broad-blaming from many makes me disappointed in those that pull that shit. If there is a valid and balanced point of view that is different then I will consider it and maybe even agree (either somewhat, fully or not at all). The balance and fairness is missing IMO.

[Maedhros]

47. It's entirely reasonable

to subject a President to exceptional scrutiny when that President claims the authority to kill U.S. citizens without due process.

To do so does not make one a racist.

[uponit7771]

48. Like FDR? I do agree with you somewhat but the scrutiny should be measured

[Maedhros]

64. The intensity of scrutiny

should scale with the level of authority being claimed by the President.

What sets the current situation apart from prior, similar situations (Lincoln, FDR) is that each of those Presidents' wartime transgressions were constrained by the fact that the respective wars were expected to be of finite duration. The end of the war would bring the end of the transgression, which in fact was the case in both instances.

The current President's transgressions in the name of national security are not so constrained. The current "war" exists everywhere, all the time, with no end in sight. Civil liberties lost in the name of fighting "terrorism" cannot be expected to be returned to us, because the "war" on "terror" will never end. Unless, of course, we put an end to it - and that will require holding our leaders accountable for it. And that requires very close scrutiny of what our leaders are doing.

[L0oniX]

21. Pro banksters and war criminals on DU???? WTF

Ok so the "too big to fail" thing and ...we can't prosecute because it will hurt poor people??? WTF ...do I need to mention all the US war criminals who are above prosecution?

[bvar22]

26. My only conclusion is a complete absense of a Moral Compass,

....and a tunnel vision obsession with the big Red v Blue Game to the complete exclusion of Right vs Wrong.
That is the only way the dots can be connected.

[wandy]

24. Keep in mind that some of the owners/major stock holders of corprat meadia ane the same people who..

own GOP co.
Think about it. Should the Koch Brothers get their way they will not only be the major owners of the Teaparty a GOP subsidiary, they will own the propaganda outlet also.

The Koch brothers, billionaire funders of the Tea Party and libertarian all-stars, are reportedly interested in buying several newspapers across the country, including the The Los Angeles Times, The Chicago Tribune, The Baltimore Sun, and The Orlando Sentinel. They might also be exploring the possibility of buying Hoy, the second-largest Spanish-language daily newspaper in the United States.

http://gawker.com/5995162/koch-brothers-interested-in-buying-newspapers-across-the-country

All the news that's fit for you to believe.

[tularetom]

27. The only things Holder is doing right are the things the media criticize him for

But there's a ton of sins of omission they don't mention that he has fucked up beyond belief. Like failing to prosecute bush/cheney war criminals and torturers, Wall Street and bank thugs, undue enthusiasm in going after medical marijuana, etc.

The enemy of my enemy is usually my friend but there are limits. By the time Bill Clinton left office the only thing I liked about him was that the press and right wing nuts hated him. I'm getting to the same point with Obama as well. On the other hand, my opinion of Holder is so low that even the fact the Fox et al hate him is not enough.

[uponit7771]

29. Isn't that attitude what Gore ran away from?! I mean, people on the left HATED Clinton so much that

...Gore wanted to run away from his record

At some point the left has to fight back on this no?

tia

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

43. The left never hated Clinton...not like they hate this president. Nothing like it.

[ProSense]

46. Holder knows the ropes.

The noisemakers' goal is to indict Holder in an attempt to weaken Obama.

The RW was able to launch investigation after investigation during the Clinton years. Thus far all they've been able to do is blow smokes.

Former Justice Department officials: Stop the Leaks
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022879122

Right-Wing Media's Fake Narrative About Rosen Warrant Now Even More Incoherent
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022923192

They want Holder fired because they don't like him or disagree with the actions he has taken, which are lawful in terms of being AG and reflective of administration policy where appropriate.

[Maedhros]

51. Disagreeing with policy,

even stringently, is not "hate."

[stillwaiting]

67. Thank you and welcome to DU! nt

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

68. We both agree, but we also both know that hate is not about disagreeing with policy at all times.

To deny the hate coming from the right is...well...leaving me speechless.

[Maedhros]

72. I was referring to an earlier post

"The Left never hated Clinton - not like they hated this President."

[John2]

61. I wouldn't label

everybody on the Left with those helping the Right to bring down Holder. They know what they are doing and it is systematic. The people who really support this Administration needs to push back, just like they did with the Clinton impeachment. This is a War with them and the Right for this country. Anybody supporting FOX as the free Press is showing their colors to me. It is the same with them defending the Tea Party. I have a clear focus of whom the real enemy is. Do not ask me to defend FOX or the Tea Party, by getting rid of Holder, because he hasn't been as forceful in some areas. I think if Holder wins this fight against them, he will be embolden to investigate the Right and Media more. I wouldn't mind if FOX was politically obliterated and reduced to irrelevance in this country. Maybe the people working for FOX will recognize supporting a propaganda organization does not pay. Those in the media need to quit pretending that they are untouchable when it comes to the will of the people. I have not seen a real Press in decades ever since the Reagan Era and the Right cowed them. I think people like the Murdoch's and Koch's monopoly on the Press needs to be broken up. I think it needs to be illegal for one person or family to own so much of the Press.

[Anansi1171]

28. I agree wholeheartedly. nt

[nadinbrzezinski]

33. The only reason the right hates holder...

Is two fold, he's black, there I said it, and he works for a democrat.

If this was a republican they would love him, not prosecuting the banks (thank you) and going after media...what more can you ask for?

[limpyhobbler]

34. Eric Holder should be shitcanned.

Thinks his prosecutors did a great job ruining Aaron Swartz's life driving him to suicide.

Fuck Eric Holder all the way.

Spies on peaceful activists and news reporters.

Protects corporate america and bankers.

Doesn't care about people like me.

[KoKo]

40. Aaron Swartz and Whistle Blowers, too that he went after. n/t

Last edited Thu May 30, 2013, 09:10 PM - Edit history (1)

[ProSense]

36. Right-Wing Media's Fake Narrative About Rosen Warrant Now Even More Incoherent

Right-Wing Media's Fake Narrative About Rosen Warrant Now Even More Incoherent
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022923192

[uponit7771]

53. +1

[tclambert]

41. I don't know about Holder. He lets Dick Cheney and George W. Bush walk around free

after they confessed in public, on video, and in writing to committing war crimes.

[Unknown Beatle]

49. Fuck Eric Holder!

It is my strong believe that Holder is in bed with Wall Street/Big Banks. Has he done anything to even try to prosecute anyone related to the financial mess that we're in? Don't hold your breath.

He's letting banks illegally foreclose on hundreds of thousands of homeowners, he busting medical marijuana dispensaries that are legal to operate in their home states and then this surveillance shit.

I'm not going to listen to anyone who tells me that just because I vote for the Democratic party that I should support Holder because the Right hates him. Bullshit!

Holder is very selective on which criminals he's going to prosecute and he's not going after the very same people that single-handedly almost destroyed the economy. The very same people that we bailed out with trillions of dollars of our taxpayer money and the very same people that are still gambling with our money.

Again, fuck Eric Holder!

[ProSense]

54. Best way

"Fuck Eric Holder! It is my strong believe that Holder is in bed with Wall Street/Big Banks. Has he done anything to even try to prosecute anyone related to the financial mess that we're in? Don't hold your breath. "

...to get to Holder is to impeach Obama.

http://www.stopfraud.gov/news-index.html

[ForgoTheConsequence]

56. Cute website.

When is he going to prosecute HSBC?

[ProSense]

58. I'm sure

"When is he going to prosecute HSBC?"

...when they do, it will not be to your liking.

HSBC Holdings Plc. and HSBC Bank USA N.A. Admit to Anti-Money Laundering and Sanctions Violations, Forfeit $1.256 Billion in Deferred Prosecution Agreement
http://www.stopfraud.gov/iso/opa/stopfraud/2012/12-crm-1478.html

[ForgoTheConsequence]

59. You're right.

It will only be to my liking when I see people behind bars (you know, that place where Holder puts people for smoking pot).

[ForgoTheConsequence]

55. He may be a spineless plutocrat.

But he's our spineless plutocrat.

[DearAbby]

65. I may be overly sensitive...been known to get overly emotional..but

These people aren't there to govern, they are there to take the government apart...piece by piece. They have been quite honest about it. First they took over the Republican Party - Boehner has lost control, hell he never had it. He is scared spit-less. Mitch McConnell is on such a short leash, he is afraid to do anything to bring on a primary challenge.

The new Darlings of the Party: Ted Cruz, Rand Paul. The new face of the Republican Party.

This was a hostile take over, tyranny by the minority. First the party, now the country. This is sedition. Treason. They are playing for keeps. shouldn't we? Time to call it what it is.

[Savannahmann]

66. Telling Eric Holder to investigate his own actions regarding the AP scandal was stupid.

The RW couldn't have written a better script for us to follow. We're going to end up having Holder resign, and then we're going to end up appointing some RW Bush co scumbag to the position. Just like we are with the FBI.

[kelliekat44]

70. M$M far behind? They are leading the way! nt