Gungeoneer-type assholes breathe a sigh of relief...

[Robb]

Last edited Sun Jun 9, 2013, 04:16 PM - Edit history (5)

Clearly I have their attention. So, listen closely:



Damn the sociopaths who hide from every gun death story and pour out of their caves to cheer at the slightest glimmer of hope that maybe, MAYBE it wasn't one of their insane tribe who did the crime this time.



Damn the apologists for the madness of "gun rights," the glib assholes who wrap themselves in the Constitution to defend gun manufacturer's profits, while children and parents die by the dozens, daily.



Who defend the indefensible tooth and nail, pushing back against all gun safety legislation with equal fervor, so the simplest of it never sees the light of day: damn them.



And if this is who you are, damn you to hell for this.



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Original story:

(Reuters) - U.S. authorities are investigating a Texas man over threatening letters containing a deadly poison mailed to U.S. President Barack Obama and New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg, a law enforcement official said on Friday.

(snip)

FBI investigators in Texas are questioning a man in New Boston, Texas after his wife called the police to report suspicious activity, the law enforcement source said. The agency is proceeding cautiously, and the man has not been charged, the source added.

Those letters were postmarked May 20 from Shreveport, Louisiana, according to an official briefed on the investigation. They referred to the debate over the nation's gun laws and also were sent to Bloomberg's gun control group in Washington, D.C. Initial tests showed they contained ricin.

Read More: http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/05/31/us-usa-obama-letter-idUSBRE94T0VL20130531

[olddots]

1. Ricin doesn't kill people ---people kill people

ass wipe logic at work .

[Snotcicles]

26. Real men don't use Ricin. nt

[valerief]

126. Babies are people. People kill people. Babies kill babies. Babies kill people.

If only the world had more guns and fewer babies.

Gungeoneer logic.

[veganlush]

2. If all muslims are terrorists

then all gun lovers are terrorists too

[Twofish]

52. Stay classy.

[veganlush]

81. huh?

?

[PearliePoo2]

3. That didn't take long...

But it does speed things up a bit that the guy's wife busted him. I guess that marriage is over.

[Robb]

5. Good guess.

http://www.usnews.com/news/newsgram/articles/2013/05/31/ricin-suspect-grilled-in-texas-was-turned-in-by-actress-wife

[otohara]

27. If I Were Her - I'd Bolt

fly somewhere far, far away.

In case it's not him and they let him go.

[pintobean]

29. He's claiming she did it and set him up

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57587176/texas-couple-blames-each-other-for-ricin-laced-letters/

A Texas woman has told investigators her husband may have sent ricin-laced letters to President Barack Obama, New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg and Bloomberg's Washington-based gun control group, CBS News' Anna Werner reports. But the woman's husband has accused his wife, saying he was set up.

[otohara]

32. Whoa

this should make for an interesting Dateline or 48 Hours.

[PearliePoo2]

30. I read where they have a bunch of kids too.

I feel sorry for those kids, having a fucked-up father (if it's indeed him) and having that notoriety/association pinned on them.

[rl6214]

101. Fucked up mother you should say.

[tblue37]

67. In the most recent article I read, she admitted to sending the letters and then

blaming her husband.

[Robb]

4. Full text of the letter:

“You will have to kill me and my family before you get my guns. Anyone wants to come to my house will get shot in the face. The Right to bare arms is my constitutional, God-given right and I will exercise that right till the day I die. What’s in this letter is nothing compared to what I’ve got planned for you.”

http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2013/05/31/ricin-letters-investigation-centers-on-small-texas-town/

[hatrack]

11. . . . . .

[kentauros]

12. If only he understood what the "Right to bare arms" truly meant...

However, I do hope they're able to arrest him without any gun violence. What a nut!

[longship]

23. But at least he won't be wearing a shirt with sleeves.

How else would one express ones right for bare arms?

[kentauros]

24. True.

He also doesn't seem like the kind of guy to roll up his sleeves and get down to business. Then again, orange jumpsuits don't normally allow for that, right?

[freshwest]

174. The right to bare arms. Do. Not. Start. With. Her.

[kentauros]

175. Thanks for the laugh!

Let's all bare arms together

[freshwest]

176. Gives new meaning to that form letter. Not so threatening after all...

[freshwest]

78. Isn't this a form letter? Same wording on every wackjob libertarian, GOP, teabag, gun site.

The wording is so close, even the same spelling errors, that I can't help but wonder if they copied it.

[rl6214]

102. The actual story doesn't quite fit your narrative

Does it.

[CokeMachine]

148. You are cute!! Don't you think you should

edit this at least five times and include photos or something?? You type are funny -- not really!!

[arely staircase]

6. the best protection against bad presidents with guns is

a good guy with ricin?

[CokeMachine]

149. Would that NOW be good gal with ricin?? Jumped the shark didn't you? nt

[arely staircase]

154. indeed

or better yet, a good angry made for Lifetime Network getting divorced gal with ricin.

[etherealtruth]

7. So, is this jackass considered a "good guy" with a gun? n/t

[Skittles]

17. he absolutely symbolizes the NRA

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coward, paranoid, bully

[abelenkpe]

20. + 1000 nt

[rl6214]

103. Wrong.

[Skittles]

147. yes, the NRA is INDEED wrong

[CokeMachine]

150. What does his wife symbolize -- care to edit at least five times??

[Skittles]

171. the mentally ill wife absolves all gun humpers!!!!!!

no edits needed!!!!!!!!!!

[Niceguy1]

28. by the controllers

Most people would denounce him.

[Cali_Democrat]

8. I wonder what his handle at the gungeon is. n/t

[Robb]

10. "Was." nt

[Parable Arable]

9. Where has everyone gotten access to ricin all of a sudden?

Have all of our lunatics transformed into Walter White?

[kentauros]

25. Well, it's obvious it's all coming from San Francisco:

Ricin Roni.

[Gravitycollapse]

35. It's actually very easy to produce from castor beans

[pintobean]

13. If Bloomberg is claiming he was sent poison

it might only be sugar.

[derby378]

14. FTW! (n/t)

[Robb]

19. Ricin letters are hilarious!

Comedy gold, eh boys?

[leeroysphitz]

168. Hey, lighten up. Go lecture somewhere else. Sheese.

[CreekDog]

220. he's got almost 100 recs, sounds like his lecture is more popular than yours

[oneshooter]

230. Looks to me like he is rapidly loosing that "popular" vote.

Recs down to 53. Tends to happen to less than truthful postings.

[leeroysphitz]

289. Maybe, but you can't deny that people need to lighten up around here.

And honestly getting a lot of recs on THIS web site has nothing, I mean NOTHING to do with being right.

[premium]

244. About as much comedy gold as

your 5 time edited thread.

[In_The_Wind]

31. Not funny!

[rl6214]

15. Did you miss the part where it says he has not been charged with anything?

[Ohio Joe]

16. ahhh, another murderous gun nut...

Murder seems to be their response to everything they don't like.

[Robb]

34. When all you have is a hammer, the world's full of nails. nt

[rl6214]

105. And when you are wrong, you are wrong

But we ll never find you admitting that.

[premium]

108. Nope.

He edits it 5 times and then posts pictures that have zero to do with the original story, then, to top it off, he launches an attack on member DU'ers.
Pure comedy gold.

[Eleanors38]

110. And evidently with DU blessings. NT

[rl6214]

111. Didn't notice the five edits

That just makes my opinion of him and his little clubhouse go that much higher

[premium]

112. Like I said,

pure comedy gold from this one.

[Paladin]

114. Are those photos of grieving families a source of amusement for you?

I'm not a bit surprised.

[premium]

115. Nope,

what's a source of amusement to me is the fact that Robb's story turned out to be pure bull shit and instead of apologizing or deleting, he posts pics that has nothing to do with the story and then, predictably, launches an attack on member DU'ers.

Seems you also, can't see the irony in this, but, why am I not surprised?

Like I said, more comedy gold.

[derby378]

169. Still, you have to admit...

Even if you don't agree with Robb's stand on gun control, at least he's a couple of levels above certain folks who just liked to stir up shit, and now they're curled up on the floor and sucking their thumbs.

That said, yes, that was a heckuva lot of editing.

[CokeMachine]

151. Are the bullshit edits to avoid the jury funny to you??

Same shit different edit??

[friendly_iconoclast]

208. Wait, that sounds familiar...oh, yeah: "You don't care about dead kids"

From a list of catchphrases beloved by you lot:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/11729858#post125

Great thread to bookmark!

[The Magistrate]

18. Interesting Times, Sir

The whole 'law-abiding gun owner' line is in the same class as 'jumbo shrimp': the demands of their fantasy lives as heroic slayers of 'thugs' and resistors to 'tyranny' require them to adopt an attitude of 'bending the rules' and 'defying authorities' in the pinch when the gun is in hand. So their actual attitude to the law is not 'I will obey the law' but rather 'I will decide which laws I will obey', and yet still their own conviction they are righteous and law-abiding people allows them to feel they are not criminally inclined when they harbor the intent to break laws at will, and even to believe that they are not criminals when they actually break laws.

[freshwest]

79. You keep on posting that, and it gets better every time. Needs to be said. Thanks.

[rl6214]

106. And again, when you are wrong you are wrong

But the story doesn't fit tour narrative so you won't admit it.

[CokeMachine]

152. Please see the edits -- that poor shark has been jumped so many times the last day or so, Sir. nt

[JI7]

159. certainly the case with the thug zimmerman

[Progressive dog]

327. ^^^K&R^^^

Nicely stated.

[HockeyMom]

21. Take away his guns?

They will now take away his body and put it in prison.

[rl6214]

107. Wrong again

[CokeMachine]

153. What will they do with his wife??

Now that the facts have come out.

[DonP]

201. Apparently it's the wives of "gun nutz" that are assholes and belong in prison

funny how that works out in the end.

But keep on believing the myth.

[BainsBane]

202. one threat vs 38,000 homicides a year

brought to you by the nation's gun nuts. Not to mention all the lunatic gun nuts who have threatened the President or their ex-wives.

[BainsBane]

207. "Pitiful ilk"

Yes, I'll stand with the "pitiful ilk" of the Democratic Party rather than corporate profits in trying to make this country a safer place. You can continue to celebrate cleptocarcy and the erosion of Democracy that keeps provisions with overwhelming majority support (ranging from 60-90% ) from being passed. As long as the gun lobby continues to profit from murder, especially the deaths of people of color, women and children, all is right with the world.

[friendly_iconoclast]

210. The overwhelming majority of the overwhelmingly Democratic IL legislature...

...just passed a CCW bill-by a supermajority vote in both houses, and the best you lot can come up with for an
explanation is to blame "downstate Republican voters".

No state whatsoever has repealed any concealed carry law, and the only states that DO have
new gun control laws were already antigun. Can you say 'false consensus'?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False-consensus_effect

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/002210317790049X

The “false consensus effect”: An egocentric bias in social perception and attribution processes

Lee Ross, David Greene, Pamela House

Stanford University USA

Evidence from four studies demonstrates that social observers tend to perceive a “false consensus” with respect to the relative commonness of their own responses. A related bias was shown to exist in the observers' social inferences. Thus, raters estimated particular responses to be relatively common and relatively unrevealing concerning the actors' distinguishing personal dispositions when the responses in question were similar to the raters' own responses; responses differing from those of the rater, by contrast, were perceived to be relatively uncommon and revealing of the actor. These results were obtained both in questionnaire studies presenting subjects with hypothetical situations and choices and in authentic conflict situations. The implications of these findings for our understanding of social perception phenomena and for our analysis of the divergent perceptions of actors and observers are discussed. Finally, cognitive and perceptual mechanisms are proposed which might account for distortions in perceived consensus and for corresponding biases in social inference and attributional processes.

[BainsBane]

212. False consensus means

Polling data that you don't agree with. Oh, but then you ignore polling data don't you? It's awful when people care about human life, isn't it? So much better when they focus only on their own desire to stockpile weapons and generate corporate profits for merchants of death. You can take comfort in the fact that we don't have a democracy in this country. The forces of death and greed prevail. So keep celebrating the corporate controlled-cleptocracy that fulfills the gun lobby's agenda. It keeps the poor unemployed, starving, and dying from the first world's highest rate of gun violence. All is right in the bloody, diseased world the gun lobby made.

[friendly_iconoclast]

213. I provide an example of DEMOCRATS disagreeing with you, and the best you can...

...come up with is the equivalent of "You don't care about dead kids"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/11729858#post125

Holy shit, gun control advocacy really is mostly religious belief; when confronted by inconvenient evidence,
you lot chant one of the catchphrases mentioned here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/11729858

and think you've accomplished something. Hell, you've even got an egomanaical charlatan
that's very much the equal of Pat Robertson leading you these days. Preacher Mike knows
how to con the rubes just like Preacher Pat.

[BainsBane]

214. YOu provided an example of corporate cleptocracy

A state legislature. Gun control advocacy is a respect for human life about profits and the desire to murder. Democrats do not oppose gun control. In fact, Republican voters don't either, as opposed to their political representatives. Polling data shows that the Tea Party is the only political demographic with majority opposition to gun control. All you've shown is how powerful corporate interests are, and how you approve of their goals.

I don't know what you think you're linking to but the point is obvious. People set political priorities. A respect for human life over profits and guns is a clear moral issue. Some who hold that view are religious, some are not. To pretend that the issue is anything other than a moral concern says a great deal about someone's value system. We as people decide if we will save lives or promote policies that kill. If someone votes for war, they promote policies that kill people. If someone works against universal healthcare, they are making a conscious choice to allow people to die, and the same is true for those who oppose gun control. Politics in general is a series of moral choices. Democrats care about what is just and what is best for the majority of the country rather than a small minority. That is the nature of political responsibility.

Of course we would have better research to gauge gun policy on if the NRA had not succeeded in stifling free speech for decades by prohibiting federally funded research on guns.

[friendly_iconoclast]

273. Instead of Satan, you lot have "the gun lobby" for a boogeyman.

Also, you seem to have missed what you termed a "corporate cleptocracy" did a
couple of weeks ago-right around the time they passed that CCW law:

Shout out to Illinois.14th state to call for a constitutional amendment to rid elections of corp. $

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022933317

http://www.citizen.org/pressroom/pressroomredirect.cfm?ID=3902

note: emphasis added

May 31, 2013

Momentum Grows: Illinois Becomes the 14th State to Back Constitutional Amendment to Allow Limits on Election Spending

Statement of Aquene Freechild, Senior Organizer, Public Citizen’s Democracy Is For People Campaign

Today, Illinois became the 14th state to call for a constitutional amendment to rid elections of corporate money and unlimited spending. This bipartisan action by the Illinois General Assembly demonstrates continuing national momentum to overturn the U.S. Supreme Court’s controversial Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission ruling.

Illinois is the third state in the past month and a half to call for an amendment; West Virginia and Maine passed similar resolutions last month.

The effort in Illinois was bipartisan, underscoring what poll data have shown: People of all political stripes are deeply concerned about corporations having too much influence over our democratic process. A measure calling for a constitutional amendment was on ballots across Illinois in November and was supported by three-quarters of voters.

Illinois ranks fifth among U.S. states in population and has been called the state that most closely mirrors the demographics of the country.

By all means keep rejecting information that contradicts your dogma. That way, you'll continue to
enjoy the same level of success you've been enjoying all along...

[BainsBane]

216. This guy is so much better than "Preacher Mike"

?w=300&h=225

[busterbrown]

22. I hope the American Flags come out when they catch this guy...

Seriously if I lived near the spot where he is arrested, I’d get some friends and wave our flag..

[krispos42]

36. Wait...

...he didn't shoot him from a mile away with a .50-cal rifle? Or whip up a plastic gun in his basement and shoot Obama on the White House couch during a tour?

[Robb]

37. You sound disappointed.

[krispos42]

38. The MSN had given me such high expectations.

n/t

[Paladin]

39. Disappointed, are you? I hope that's not the case.

Maybe you just forgot to add a sarcasm alert to your post. You've been doing the gun thing for a long time here at DU, so you ought to know how necessary such warnings are.

[gejohnston]

40. update with a twist

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Instead, it's the man's wife. And it could be that the motivation behind the letters had nothing to do with Bloomberg's or Obama's efforts to tighten the nation's gun laws.

"Shannon Richardson has been arrested. ... Shannon's husband, Nathan Richardson, was named as a person of interest after Shannon contacted authorities about a suspicious substance she found in their refrigerator. Nathan Richardson was questioned by the FBI last week and released. ... Attorney John Delk says his client, Nathan Richardson, approached him [last year] about getting a divorce. ... 'We have very good reason to believe it was a setup,' said Delk."

What happened to just filing for divorce? Or was it a publicity stunt to help her not so steller acting career?

[pintobean]

41. k

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022969833

[YeahSureRight]

42. Texas Terrorist sends poison to Obama, Bloomberg

Fixed your headline

[Duckhunter935]

43. going to comment

now that the facts do not support your narrative.

[ileus]

44. Gun nut indeed....

LOL...

[cali]

46. you mean apart from the FACT that he didn't do it, his wife did

in order to frame him. They're in the midst of a divorce.

[ileus]

47. no no....it was a gun nut, they told me so.

When the story about the mail first hit....

Kinda like they told me it was a gun nut in Boston.

[Robb]

48. You must be so relieved!

I mean, phew, right?

[cherokeeprogressive]

54. No more relieved than you were disheartened Robb. As is evidenced by this whole thread...

I mean, awwww, right?

Confirmation bias is a bitch for both sides of most issues.

[premium]

60. You must be so disappointed!

I mean, damn, right?

[CokeMachine]

73. I feel your pain. No, really I do!!

You must have a sad because you can't blame this on RKBA folks. You are one funny dude -- bless your heart

[cali]

45. uh, it turned out that it was the wife trying to frame the husband.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/06/07/18829206-texas-woman-arrested-in-ricin-letters-to-obama-bloomberg-officials?lite

[aikoaiko]

49. LoL - watching the uninformed indignation was fun.

[friendly_iconoclast]

62. It will be *most* amusing to refer back to this thread- bookmark it.

[X_Digger]

71. Almost as fun as the (black) white supremacist.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=118x285630

[friendly_iconoclast]

76. Ah, yes. Thanks for reposting that.

I note that a couple of the more factually-challenged gun control advocates seem to have given up
gun control advocacy

[AtheistCrusader]

116. Bookmarking this thread is the only way to locate it again.

version 5.0 already.

[Fumesucker]

69. Not uninformed so much as misinformed

But yeah, it's pretty funny in retrospect.

[former9thward]

50. And you will do another knee jerk post....

when law enforcement makes yet another mistake. You can hardly wait.

[Comrade Grumpy]

51. The baiting content of this OP serves no productive purpose.

[meanit]

53. So his lawyer says he didn't do it,

and it's case closed? This is far from over.

[tblue37]

68. No--but his wife's CONFESSION that she did

it and then tried to frame him probably should be taken into consideration.

[Nye Bevan]

55. Those who advocate not jumping to conclusions are vindicated....

reminds of how *obvious* it was that the Boston Jihadists were actually teabagging tax-protesting types, since they blew up their bombs on April 15.

[CokeMachine]

56. Poor Robb -- another epic fail!!

Does the bansalot group know their leader jumped the shark?

Happy Sunday!!

[cali]

58. bzzzt fail

his wife did it to frame him.

[VOX]

59. So I now see. Blitzed my post. n/t

[CokeMachine]

61. Kick nt

[Mugu]

63. Kick n/t

[friendly_iconoclast]

64. Why'd you change the original headline, Robb? "Gun nut sends poison to Obama, Bloomberg."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=thread&address=10022928786&info=1#edits

[Robb]

65. Show us on the bear where the gun safety advocate hurt you.

Don't worry, you're among friends.

[friendly_iconoclast]

66. Not the first time one of you lot has been caught peddling faith-promoting rumor

It's okay, Robb- we understand that "higher truth" is more important that grubby fact.

Your OP ranks with this one:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/117280286

Three more innocent people shot today in FL
by a previously law abiding gun owner...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/117280286#post31

31. He wasn't law-biding. Previous violent felony arrests.

You have been solidly caught making stuff up for your agenda. Commonly called lying.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/dead-central-fla-beauty-salon-shooting-17509338#.UICHe2_7IkQ

Records in Florida and Rhode Island show Baumet has been previously arrested for domestic assault, felony assault, stalking, burglary and drug possession.

The article doesn't specifically say but I would bet that there are some convictions in there too.

Mugshot here: http://mugshots.com/US-Counties/Florida/Seminole-County-FL/Bradford-Baumet.2558615.html

There was also the African-American white supremacist, the "man with an AK47 in Moscow, Idaho",
and the "gun control activist" that claimed to work for Cease-Fire Oregon in Portland and the United Nations
in Italy-simultaneously...

[gejohnston]

70. Not me personally, but

Kikko Smith is a distant cousin. Four handguns and an TEC 9, which the original WP article inaccurately described as a submachine gun.
http://www.fact.on.ca/news/news0101/wp010124.htm

[freshwest]

177. OMG! It took a couple of scans to get the meaning of that. ROTFLMFAO! n/t

You made me laugh out loud. C'mon, milk and cookies for everyone!

[Dr. Strange]

72. Good Lord, you've really edited the hell out of your original post.

Started out simply enough...

Gun nut sends poison to Obama, Bloomberg.

(Reuters) - U.S. authorities are investigating a Texas man over threatening letters containing a deadly poison mailed to U.S. President Barack Obama and New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg, a law enforcement official said on Friday.

(snip)

FBI investigators in Texas are questioning a man in New Boston, Texas after his wife called the police to report suspicious activity, the law enforcement source said. The agency is proceeding cautiously, and the man has not been charged, the source added.

Those letters were postmarked May 20 from Shreveport, Louisiana, according to an official briefed on the investigation. They referred to the debate over the nation's gun laws and also were sent to Bloomberg's gun control group in Washington, D.C. Initial tests showed they contained ricin.

Read More: http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/05/31/us-usa-obama-letter-idUSBRE94T0VL20130531

but by the time it's over, I suspect this will be a musical about terrorists trying to infiltrate America and make us carry guns made out of sugar, that can be converted into wiretapping devices (but only by someone who smokes).

[pintobean]

74. Totally screwed the 25 reccers.

What a guy. I wonder if any of them would rec calling fellow DUers assholes.
It's also jury proof - alerts on the OP go directly to admin. Talk about gaming the system.

[Eleanors38]

113. Perhaps (he said oh-so cautiously) the plan all along.

It seems the OP has more important matters than gun-control and the safety of the public on his mind; to wit, showing his ___________ in front of everyone, and giggling in the dark about how he gets away with it.

And he may have a little help in doing this.

You would think that gun controllers would be happy with three (3) fora/groups in which to pump their gas; the Gungeon (open debate), BansaLot (controlled show) and GD (Guns-Dogs). But no, some have to stage craft a hate fest with impunity, hoping to "alert" someone & have their friends "hide it," and go dancing about with another scalp. Goes on a lot.

[CokeMachine]

155. That's their Schick.

But some are friends of the family -- so to speak?

[Eleanors38]

222. And they all show up for the reunion! Imagine!

[Robb]

235. It's 53 reccers, actually. More than half came after the last revision.

Creekdog downthread is mistaken, of course, this never garnered 100 recs. I've only had two threads that topped 100 since DU3, IIRC:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1018132003

and

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022507952

I wonder if any of them would rec calling fellow DUers assholes.

More simply, it would appear many DUers tire of politely hiding their contempt for the selfish assholes who value the profits of gun manufacturers over the lives of the men, women and children killed every year for their efforts.

Goodness knows I do. And I don't think I'm going to, any more.

And:

[pintobean]

236. Creekdog is never mistaken

just like you.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2978519

[Robb]

251. Well, it seems I was wrong just now.

It's 55 recs, not 53.

[pintobean]

282. 56 and counting

but we rarely know why people rec. With so many posters mocking this thread, many of the reccers could just be enjoying the entertainment value.

[friendly_iconoclast]

284. I'll rec it for ya, Robb. It *should* be seen far and wide.

Probably not for the reason(s) you intended, though...

[Decoy of Fenris]

285. I'm saving my k/r for a few months from now. :P n/t

[CokeMachine]

75. Now that was funny!! Thanks!!

[rl6214]

109. Now now, don't be so tough on him

If you are that tough he will only post in his own little clubhouse so no one but his fellow club members can reply to him.

[friendly_iconoclast]

77. Resorting to strawmen because your original headline blew up in your face?

Pathetic.

[friendly_iconoclast]

80. You *might* want to ease up on the Pat Robertson grade self-righteousness.

I've seen several "red-hot" gun control advocates here at DU flame out over the years, and none of them
are still active...

[pintobean]

83. He titled his 5th edit "Here endeth the lesson"

A quote from Sean Connery as Jim Malone in the movie "The Untouchables".

Another quote of his:
"They pull a knife, you pull a gun. He sends one of yours to the hospital, you send one of his to the morgue."

What a violent gun movie.

[Union Scribe]

85. I wonder if the reference

was to the lesson he should have learned, or the one he thinks he taught.

[beevul]

180. If theres a lesson here at all to be learned...

It may be this:

[BainsBane]

82. They arrested his wife

as you probably know by now.

[CokeMachine]

86. But, but, but does the bansalot group know that their

fearless leader (maybe not after 5 edits) was/is looking (IMHO) like a total (just can't come up with the correct word)?

Note to jury -- check out the edits in the OP. It's very telling.

[BainsBane]

88. Juries don't see posts over 24 hours old

Tough luck.

[CokeMachine]

89. Your math or clock is wrong!!

I was responding to you -- Unless I slept through Monday, I do believe it's been less than 24 hours since my post (To You), it may be be even less than 1 hour depending on you're clock.

Have a good night.

[BainsBane]

90. Oh, I hadn't thought of that

I suppose I could oblige you though. I don't suppose it occurred to you that an OP that is ten days old isn't going to have news released since?

[CokeMachine]

92. It did occur to me but maybe not the OP.

Have you checked out the edits? All made well after the Jury deadline passed, to me that's gaming the jury system(:shrug . I assume you are also OK with a group host calling all members of a DU group "ASSHOLES". To each their own I guess.

Take Care,
CM

[BainsBane]

93. Actually what I'm not okay with

is murder apology. To each his own, I guess. (Not that I'm accusing anyone here of doing that, of course.)

[pintobean]

95. At the time of the original OP

it was a she-said, he-said situation. That was pointed out in post #29. Remember, this story came on the heels of another ricin set-up story. Apparently, the OP went with the she-said, due to the letter that was a caricature of a gun nut. That was just too juicy, and fit the OP's narrative. The OP could have been edited as facts were known, but it wasn't. Yesterday, in another thread, the OP got cocky with someone who said they wanted to wait for more facts before commenting on a story. I reminded the OP about this thread, which caused it to get kicked. It's resurrection inspired the editing mess we see now. It's not about facts, it's about the narrative. The actual facts weren't included in any of the edits, just more blaming people here who are not responsible for this crime.

[BainsBane]

91. It does beg the question that since you hate Democrats so much

. . .

[BainsBane]

94. alerter

Robb and the others referred to in this post are Democrats. Just to answer your question and clear up any confusion. Cheers!

[Union Scribe]

84. Is there a signup so I can get a text

when you edit this again? I hate missing it when the self-righteous fall on their face, then get up and proceed to do so again.

[CokeMachine]

87. I hope those face plants don't leave a scar!!!

[aikoaiko]

96. It's really low of you to hide behind grieving parents...

...when you merely had to admit you we're wrong.

[Nye Bevan]

97. Not Robb's finest hour. A simple apology and self-delete would have been much better (nt)

[Go Vols]

99. +1

[BainsBane]

98. Wrong about the fact 38,000 people are killed by guns every year

and gun zealots are more concerned with their own egos than those lives? No, he's not wrong. We witness it every single day.

[premium]

104. And what do these pictures have to do with the original story?

Or the fact that Robb was wrong and can't admit it, instead, he launches an attack on member DU'ers?

BTW, that 38,000 number, appox. 2/3 are suicides.

[CokeMachine]

157. Don't burden that one with facts.

I gave up on it when it accused me of hating Democrats. They have what they have and it's all weak -- didn't mean an insult to weak.

[BainsBane]

183. Are you suggesting Robb and the "grabalot" group you insulted aren't Democrats?

or that you don't oppose the President's policies on gun control and the position taken by the overwhelming majority of Democrats (and even Republicans)?

You got your feelings hurt. That's so much worse then 38,000 people dying every year.

[CokeMachine]

237. It's "bansalot" get the term correct please.

I do like the term "grabalot" but as far as I know very few guns have been grabbed by real Democrats. There are a few here that do propose confiscating guns but I consider them authoritarians not Democrats.

As for the rest of your post -- thanks but I'm not playing your game.

[BainsBane]

184. The pictures are some of the families who have had loved ones killed from guns

Deal with it. That is what happens when corporate interests and their lackeys promote gun proliferation above human life. Hiding from that reality doesn't make it go away.

[premium]

218. He gets the story wrong, edits it 5 times,

posts pics that have nothing to do with the original story, or the real story, launches an attack on member DU'ers, gets called out on that.
Deal with it.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

223. Those grieving families are stage props

Most guns deaths are self-inflicted but instead of treating suicide and depression gun control advocates focus on guns while leaving people in mental torment. You see, if they actually treated the mental illness then the gun would no longer an issue. So, its obviously better for them to allow 20,000 tormented souls kill themselves each year just so gun control advocates have enough puppets to parade around in the name of a political agenda.

Semi-automatic long guns comprise less than 4% of annual gun deaths and even fewer when employed in a rampage. Yet, the focus is almost exclusively on an "assault" weapon ban (even though no military primarily outfits itself with semi-auto only rifles).

Personally, I am relieved that gun control advocates don't own guns. They can't properly identify their own targets, they are wholly lacking in marksmanship and far too many -- as demonstrated by the OP -- are too emotionally agitated to be trusted with lethal force.

[CokeMachine]

265. I think I love you +1000

[rl6214]

100. Nice spin

Didn't play out the way you wanted did it? You keep on spinning it the way it will fit your narrative. Surprise you aren't posting in your private little club house so there can't be any dissenting view expressed.

[AtheistCrusader]

117. You seem bitter.

Are you feeling ok? Is there anything we can do to help?

[BainsBane]

187. Sure

Get the murder apologists to relinquish their opposition to background checks and gun safes, for starters.

[AtheistCrusader]

203. Well, calling them 'murder apologists' doesn't foster a productive discussion

however, I am on board with background checks and safe storage requirements. No disagreement with you there.

[BainsBane]

206. When there was a thread about the NRA opposing laws

requiring parent to store guns in safes, some on this site actually said that it was unduly burdensome, that it interfered with their "self defense." Those are people without the most basic regard for the lives of children. I say we lock anyone up for 20 years if they gun gets in the wrong hands. End of story.

[AtheistCrusader]

221. I would call it a rhetorical trick: perfect/enemy of the good.

Reporting requirements when your gun is stolen is no burden at all. In fact, most police departments are QUITE good at returning such stolen property.
Storage requirements may hurt your access to your firearms when you are not there. That's it. There are quick access safes, and you can even let your safe stand open when you are home, allowing unfettered access to the loaded and ready to go firearms.

Pretending it would be a burden (for instance, interfering when you NEED a gun) seems pretty flimsy of an argument to me.

We also have other incentives, like tax-free gun safes, free gun locks, etc.

As for the 20 year thing, I would disagree with you there, if in the case the owner has taken reasonable measures to secure the firearms. I have a co-worker that actually got broken into, alarm cut, and they busted open his Liberty safe and took his guns. I think he did due diligence in preventing that, and no jeopardy should come to him for it. (He also reported the theft, and a week later, the weapons were recovered and returned to him)

Now, had he left them lying in the middle of his living room floor, well, that seems a tad negligent to me.

[BainsBane]

260. I'm talking about parents that leave their guns around

and their kids use them to kill someone. Or the parent that shoots his kid while cleaning a weapon. These people rarely face prosecution. The point is the NRA works assiduously to ensure owners do not take measures to secure firearms, and DUers here defend their actions. So I'm not talking about a 20 yr term for someone who locks the gun in the safe. I'm talking about imprisoning people who leave their guns lying around for children to kill themselves or others with. 20 years is light, as far as I'm concerned.

All the celebrating and nose rubbing after the defeat of background checks exposed as a complete lie the notion that most gun zealots on this site supported all of the presidents measures except the AWB. Many have made clear the only thing they support is more guns.

[AtheistCrusader]

261. Tend to agree.

We've had (not you and I, but the gungeon as a group) some contentious threads on this. I think the 'nay' side argument boils down to the parent having been 'punished enough' since their kid is dead.

I don't accept that. I can point to two local cases where 'joe citizen' went to jail for leaving a gun in a car with a kid, and getting out, and another where an off-duty officer did the same thing, and got off scot free.

I have a problem with that, just as you. Both are criminal negligence in my mind.

[hack89]

255. No

it was merely pointed out that storage laws have to be written to not run afoul of Heller. Heller, after all, was a case about the DC storage law.

Storage laws are perfectly legal if written correctly.

[BainsBane]

257. false

[hack89]

262. False about Heller? Don't think so. nt

[AtheistCrusader]

263. I'm not clear on what you are disagreeing about.

Some safe storage laws are, in fact, a violation of Heller vs. DC. Some are fine. The devil is in the details of the language of the law itself.

There have been some safe storage laws I would not support due to that fact.

[MicaelS]

118. Listen closely to this:

As long as guns are legal, and I may legally own them, am mentally and physically capable of using them properly and safely, I will do so. I will not be shamed, shunned, embarrassed or made to feel some sort of phony remorse into not owning guns. Not by you, not by the Admins on this website, NOT BY ANYONE. Not for ANY reason. If I ever reach the decision to not own guns, it will be solely on my own accord.

And to make it even more clear, I love MY Freedoms more than I love you. I don't care who you are in reality, a relative, a friend, a neighbor, a cor-worker. I am not living or sacrificing on this issue for you. While I am willing to do so on other issues, I draw the line on this one.

Call me whatever filthy names you want. I do not care.

[Ohio Joe]

119. "I love MY Freedoms more than I love you" ... And let me guess...

You will use your guns to murder anyone who you think is 'taking your freedoms'?

Fucking gun nuts.

[premium]

120. Wow, talk about jumping the shark,

that's what you just did.

[Ohio Joe]

121. Nah...

Just describing the typical gun nut, more willing to murder then talk about gun control.

[premium]

122. Yeah, ok, more willing to murder that talk about gun control.

[Ohio Joe]

128. "Listen closely to this"

The whole post comes across as a threat but please... What do the gun nuts suggest as reasonable gun control?

[premium]

129. This whole thread comes across as Robb being wrong

and then when the truth comes, he can't admit he was wrong and issue an apology or self delete, which would have been the honorable thing to do, instead, he edits it 5 times, with each edit getting worse, and then posts pics that have nothing to do with the original thread, then to top it off, he launches an insult filled attack on member DU'ers, and the icing on the cake is that you seem to agree with him.

Listen closely to that.

[Ohio Joe]

130. ummm... Yeah, I think Robb and I do agree on this topic

Gun nuts are a problem. Now... Back to what we were talking about, the post I responded to that really had nothing to do with the OP and was just a threat... You find that ok though... Interesting.

[premium]

131. Got it, you and Robb agree that

if a thread doesn't go your way, then post pics that have nothing to do with the original thread, insult member DU'ers and call it a day.
Thanks for the revelation.

[Ohio Joe]

132. Got it... Insults bad, threats good

Thanks for the revelation.

[premium]

133. 1 is just as bad as the other,

but you said you agree with Robb, so that makes you just as bad as what you perceive as a threat.

[Ohio Joe]

134. You consider threats and insults to be the same...

We should get that put into SYG laws right away so the gun nuts have their freedoms to murder anyone who insults them.

[CokeMachine]

162. Good God!!

You are not even clever. Where was the threat??? No edits required?

[CokeMachine]

161. Where in the loving fuck do you see a threat??

You are one funny person!!

[Ohio Joe]

164. How cute... Another gun nut jumping in...

Like pack animals... Will you give any answers or will you run from them as well?

[Decoy of Fenris]

165. I'll give you some honest answers, Joe.

No promises you'll like 'em, though. Since this thread appears to be staying up here, I'll go for some dialogue while I wait for a game to install.

[CokeMachine]

170. Ask me a fucking question and I'll answer.

Do you have a question? Or as the five times edited OP are just here to -- holy fuck I can't even imagine what you are trying to do? Again, Robb can end this shit but apparently he's not willing to do so. Did you even read all five edits as they got even more shrill? Bless your heart -- love ya!!

[Ohio Joe]

172. Feel free to answer any I've already put out

None of the gun nuts want to touch em... I wonder why?

[sarisataka]

205. Difficult, given the static and diversions but I'll try

Since I have purchased a gun rather than inheriting all that I own, I am a gun nut to some.

You will use your guns to murder anyone who you think is 'taking your freedoms'?

No, we have a relatively effective representative democracy and court system. I think that is a good point to redress issues with unconstitutional violations of personal freedoms

What do the gun nuts suggest as reasonable gun control?

I have no idea; I don't talk to gun nuts. I would like to see universal background checks, comprehensive reporting of disqualifying issues by States, reporting requirements for lost or stolen firearms, enforcement of laws regarding criminal liability for damage due to improperly secured firearms, opt-in safety instruction offered through schools.

We should let Zimmerman go right now?

No, there are issues of fact regarding his claim of self defense. He should face trial by jury to determine guilt.

Sorry if I missed a question

[CokeMachine]

160. I don't see any discussion from you about gun control here.

Just calling a bunch of fellow members murders. You're cool -- well maybe not.

[Ohio Joe]

226. You are unaware of gun control proposals put forth by D's? Really?

Not heard a one of them? I suppose this would be a good place to start:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/issues/preventing-gun-violence

What exactly are the gun nuts proposing? Where is the NRA throwing their support? What are your thoughts?

[Eleanors38]

224. Hey, we get it. You can use that language only on those supporting 2A;

It is enabled behavior on DU, most realize. But you don't realize that the reason we can't get UBC or legislation to reduce violence is that this kind of language you use cause a lot of far more conservative 2A activists to double, triple down in opposing ANY initiatives. That leads to a question for you: Is it more important; satisfying, pleasureable, to wield smear phrases (receiving some kind of rah-rah cheering from some one) at fellow Democrats, or to actually address problems of crime and violence? So far you seem to have gone with the former.

[Ohio Joe]

227. Don't make them angry? heh... Good luck with that

I remained silent for a long time while the gun nuts got... nuttier. I think I'll just continue to point out the insanity as they are doing some pretty crazy shit... Have you seen this:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014504085

So amazingly stupid, words do not suffice.

Yeah... Good luck giving them the silent treatment, I'll pass.

[Eleanors38]

238. I don't think you'll get anywhere in terms of social policy...

...but you should feel better about it, which may be your real concern.

I have read the link and it has been discussed thoroughly here at an earlier time; perhaps you missed that. Did you have a question or point to be made about it?

[Ohio Joe]

242. Other then the insanity of the program? No... What is your feelings on it?

Should we let them be? Whats a few more deaths when there are so many every day... Yeah, lets just leave them alone.

Good plan

[Eleanors38]

245. It occurs to me that the citizens who suffer most from crime are singularly unable to afford...

firearms for self-defense, or the training to safely operate them. I have no problem with an organization/foundation absorbing those costs. If a single head of household adult had on his/her own purchased a gun for self-defense, no one in this group (and I suspect a few controllers) would begrudge that person's choice. So why the angst when some entity provides the funding and training?

BTW, It is not for me to "let them be" or not. They are adults who make their choices like other adults. I note that you have not explained the "insanity" charge, nor provided any support for your statement of "Whats a few more deaths..."

[Ohio Joe]

247. ummm... They are putting loaded firearms in the hands of people that do not know how to use them...

You think that is normal? That it is ok? They are trying to get people to believe they are safer this way and it's a load of bullshit. They are not giving them even a fraction of the training they should have before taking it home... People will die because of stupidity like this. How many people need to kill/die before stupid is stopped? Or do you prefer they just keep dying and you are good with it?

But yeah... Just don't make the gun nuts angry... They kill when they are angry... Or afraid... Or by accident... They have so many reasons to kill. Fucking gun nuts just don't care who dies as long as they can still try to be one of the ones that gets a kill.

[Eleanors38]

250. I believe these folks are being trained, according to the article.

Would you object if someone in "the projects" obtained a gun for self-defense because of frequent break-ins and attacks? Are they different from other citizens, or do you believe people in general should be prevented from obtaining arms for self-defense?

We all start from the standpoint of inexperience; there are some who move beyond that status. That seems to be the case for these folks.

[Ohio Joe]

252. So ya got 'don't make them angry' and it's ok to show em enough to be a danger'

Good plans

[Eleanors38]

254. Can't say if that is "Good plans" since I can't understand what you're saying.

[Ohio Joe]

256. Well, you seem to have two plans...

The first is 'Don't make the gun nuts angry'

The second is 'It's ok for people who can't hold a gun to take one home after a trip to the shooting range' That people learn to use a deadly weapon 'as they go' seems like a good idea to you?

Those are your good plans Good luck with em.

[The Straight Story]

123. 50 million gun owners and people whine about the less than 0.3% of nuts, bias is what I call it

A larger percent of muslims are terrorists so anyone who goes to a mosque is a "nut" I guess.

Funny how values and ideas work when you apply them to other things.....

[Ohio Joe]

124. When they start crying about how they love their freedoms more then you...

Thats a gun nut.

[The Straight Story]

125. So you are willing to give up freedoms - like abortions, speech, etc because you love me?

That's nice

[Ohio Joe]

127. No but I'm willing to not murder you if you want to talk about removing them

Can't say as much for the gun nuts.

[friendly_iconoclast]

135. The only one talking about murder here is you.

[Ohio Joe]

136. True... I do not use the gun nut euphemism of 'self defense'...

I just call it murder.

[friendly_iconoclast]

137. Deadly self-defense isn't murder, it's justifiable homicide.

Granted, more than a few murderers have claimed self-defense, but that claim doesn't
make it so- nor does it make a legitimate self defense murder.

[Ohio Joe]

139. With only one person left alive to tell the story

Of course it was self defense... We should let Zimmerman go right now? Ya think?

[friendly_iconoclast]

141. That's what juries are for.

[Ohio Joe]

145. But again no answer...

Gun nuts avoiding answers... What a shock.

[friendly_iconoclast]

182. Because I wasn't there...and neither were you.

So, unless you're the worlds first scientifically-confirmed remote viewer your opinion (like mine)
is so much hot air.

[premium]

142. And you don't think cops and DA's investigators

can figure out if it was self defense or murder?
Zimmerman is going to trial and using a self defense theory, we'll see if it holds up or not.

[Ohio Joe]

146. Why do gun nuts never give an answer?

Do you think he should get off? Hey, you want insulting people to be a reason to murder... Should Zimmerman be let go?

[oneshooter]

178. Only if he is found innocent or not guilty by a jury of his peers.

[Ohio Joe]

179. So you think stalking and murdering is ok if it's ok with a Jury?

No opinion of your own? I'm shocked.

[oneshooter]

200. Are you willing to pull the lever if he is found guilty?

It sounds to me like you have the rope ready.

[friendly_iconoclast]

181. He wasn't there...and neither were you. Kindly go badger people somewhere else.

[Ohio Joe]

185. heh, you came to me

That is ok though, I did not expect anything less. Fuckin gun nuts crack me up

[friendly_iconoclast]

186. S'okay- You're not the first "telepsychologist" we've seen here...

[Ohio Joe]

189. heh, anything but answer... You have no opinion? Totally neutral is it?

I think by his own words he stalked and murdered a teenager... You got nothin though huh?

[friendly_iconoclast]

191. Zimmerman is, at best, an idiot and at worst a murderer. Happy now?

[Ohio Joe]

193. At best an idiot... For stalking and killing a teenager

I see.

[friendly_iconoclast]

195. You've contacted the relevant authorities with your knowledge of the case, haven't you?

I mean, since you "know" what happened (just like the OP "knew" who sent the ricin letters) it's
your duty as a citizen to inform them...

[Ohio Joe]

199. ahhh... Going to stick with the 'We don't know enough to say' bit huh?

Said in the most innocent of voices, I'm certain. I've seen a few website where they are devoted to the same story... Pretty disturbing places. Annnnd with that, I no longer feel an interest in talking to you any more. I'm off to smoke another bowl and get in some BL2.

[oneshooter]

240. I repeat my question to you." Are you willing to pull the lever. If he is found guilty"

[Ohio Joe]

241. What does 'pulling the lever' have to do with anything?

I do not support the death penalty... Why do gun nuts always go straight to killing? Have you no other method of expression?

[oneshooter]

243. Since you have already found him guilty without a trial, then you MUST be willing

to show your commitment to peace and tranquility by pulling the lever. Isn't that what all authoritarians do?

[Ohio Joe]

246. Opinion on case=Must support death penalty=You want to pull the lever... Did that stretch hurt?

Bwahahahahahaha, what a patently stupid leap to make

I understand why you have soooo much trouble forming your own opinion on the case.... Zimmerman is just so convincing with his story about needing to stalk and kill an unarmed kid to save the neighborhood.... bwahahahahahaha I getcha

[oneshooter]

290. Since you have already found him guilty, without a trial, then why wouldn't a person

believe that you are willing to "pull the lever". You are willing to remove his right to trial, why not remove his right ti live.

[Ohio Joe]

291. ahhhh, now we get... 'having an opinion on a case=I want remove his right to trial'... bwahahahahaha

You guys are too funny

[WinkyDink]

249. OFGS, your logic is insane. Who said anything about the DP (except you)?

[Ohio Joe]

258. How do you interprate "pull the lever"?

I know of no other meaning in the context it was used

How do you read it?

[WinkyDink]

248. You know what "I love more than you"? FREEDOM OF SPEECH. SO KINDLY SHOVE

YOUR KINDLY.

[Ohio Joe]

259. That nice... You love freedom of speech so I should shut up...

And LOTS OF CAPS WITH IT... Why the anger? Are you going to get violent and start shooting?

[Nuclear Unicorn]

239. Zimmerman should stand trial.

[AtheistCrusader]

266. If I love my right not to have unlawful searches and siezures against myself more

than I love some anonymous person on the street, and some terrorist kills that person because I didn't allow my rights to be violated, and that terrorist exploited our rights to get into a position to take said person out, what kind of a nut does that make me?

Because I do value my rights more than I value my OWN life, let alone joe anonymous citizen.

[Ohio Joe]

267. You need your gun to protect us from terrorists... hehe

It gets better and better all the time

[AtheistCrusader]

268. Except that's not what I said at all.

I specified search and seizure, not the 2nd amendment.

[Ohio Joe]

270. oh sorry... That was as close to sense as I could make of it

What does anything here have to do with search and seizure? What are you going on about?

[AtheistCrusader]

272. Holy shit, it's only 3 posts upthread.

"124. When they start crying about how they love their freedoms more then you..."
"That's a gun nut..."

Other grammar issues aside, you specified freedomS. Plural.

I happen to love some enumerated freedoms more than XYZ random person, let alone my own life, unrelated to firearms. What kind of nut does it make me that I value my right to be secure in my person and possessions against unreasonable search and seizure?

Invasive, unwarranted search and seizure is a hot topic today. Many progressives are rallying against it. What kind of NUTS ARE WE for wanting to preserve our enumerated civil liberties?

(An acceptable answer is that you like special pleading for ONE civil liberty you don't happen to like, and that you didn't mean freedomS, plural)

[Ohio Joe]

274. Ahhh, I see where you are going... Wrapping yourself in the constitution. How special

I've never said anything about removing the 2nd, though you imply I have... So gun control = repeal 2nd? Is that what you think I'm saying? Is that what you cherry picked out of that? Good try, I'll give you credit for it being better then 'don't make them angry' heh, still non-sense though.

[AtheistCrusader]

286. You defined loving a freedom more than another person's life as 'gun nuttery'.

Your definition, not mine. Not sure why you're off about the 2nd, or implying I said anything about it, other than it is ALSO a civil right.

You used the expansive 'freedoms', not me. I love the judicial restraint of the 4th and 5th amendments more than my own life, let alone that of a random stranger, and will always fight to preserve them. What kind of NUT DOES THAT MAKE ME?

[Ohio Joe]

287. Non-sense, I was paraphrasing teabaggers and gun nuts, hence the single quotes

They love their 'freedoms' and usually get violent when people talk about gun control... You know, they straight away take it to 'they are comin for our guns'. But of course... You knew all that and are trying to put words in my mouth

Do you have trouble forming an opinion on Zimmerman as well? None of the gun nuts seem to be able to... So strange.

[AtheistCrusader]

288. Uh-huh, sure.

Ok then.

Zimmerman? Appears to be guilty given the public evidence, but I think the prosecution will have a hard time getting a jury to agree. Why?

[Decoy of Fenris]

271. I wouldn't bother, AC.

Your efforts would be met with only deliberate misrepresentation. I'd suggest saving your time and energy for more constructive matters.

[Ohio Joe]

275. Yeah, when gun nuts talk it is always misrepresented...

And they never... EVER do it themselves, so best to be quiet

[Decoy of Fenris]

277. Sorry, I wasn't talking to you nor do I have any intention to do so. n/t

[Ohio Joe]

283. You don't get the funny part where your buddy does exactly what you warned him of being done?

I thought it was funny I understand why you don't want to put out your opinion though... None of you seem to want to, it's all 'not enough evidence to tell yet'... So interesting. But... You don't want to talk

[Skip Intro]

156. +1000. n/t

[MicaelS]

138. I never threatened anyone.

Nor did I imply a threat, nor did I mean one in any way, shape fashion or form.

There is no one on this website worth going to prison for.

[Ohio Joe]

140. How will you be protecting your freedoms then?

[friendly_iconoclast]

143. Perhaps by heckling people on Internet forums.

Hey, it works for some people...

[Ohio Joe]

144. Could be but...

Gun nuts are not very funny... Their 'jokes' often involve murder. I've also yet to see one heckle with any success, they all just seem to converge on anyone that wants any type of gun control and let their true colors fly. It's fascinating.

[CokeMachine]

167. Maybe Robb can come back to this thread and hold his own water??

You(s) aren't as clever as you pretend to be? Time to feed the dog before he accuses my of some kind of threat. Makes as much sense to me as your accusations.

Your buddy could end this shit with a simple delete or admit he was/is wrong in this particuliar case. Egos are a hard thing to get over -- don't you think??

[friendly_iconoclast]

196. I think the OP took off...

[Lizzie Poppet]

219. Too busy frantically posting gun threads in GD...

...before Skinner finally comes to his senses and reinstates the prohibition.

[Eleanors38]

225. Interesting point. The strongest controller suit is elitism..

In some urban centers, in some academic circles, in Hollywood, ALWAYS in the traditional MSM, and in the upper reaches of Democratic Party organizations. The hold this rather small group has is all out of proportion to their numbers and way beyond their ability to argue policy and effect legislative proposals.

But that culture of elitism is not fully understood, except as some of it can be explained by DU's acceptance of legitimized hatred and intolerance in the name of "compassion."

My god, they have a lot of leeway, esp. since the approach is primitive and smacks of The Scarlet Letter. And it is so obvious.

I'll say here and now that most DUers are sick of the "takeover" of GD by gun issues (and to some extent, dogs), and would like to see guns discussed in the TWO (2) groups formally established, and not the THREE (3) that have ceded.

[CokeMachine]

158. Good God!!

If the OP's shit didn't already smell (after 5 edits and much mis-direction) -- You just jump in with the same bullshit? Bless your ever loving heart?

[Nuclear Unicorn]

163. That's happening a lot?

[Ohio Joe]

166. Gun nuts say it all the time

Look at any teabagger rally, they love the violence.

[friendly_iconoclast]

188. Then quote three, with links. It should be easy for you if people "say it all the time"

I doubt you can, as you've been busy "Colonizing" this thread:

"Sergeant Colon had had a broad education. He’d been to the School of My Dad Always Said, the College of It Stands to Reason, and was now a postgraduate student at the University of What Some Bloke In the Pub Told Me."
- Jingo, Terry Pratchett

[Ohio Joe]

192. You want evidence of teabaggers threatening violence... Seriously?

ok, let me google that for you:

https://www.google.com/#q=teabaggers+threatening+violence&spell=1&sa=X&ei=qIi2UYL-LeXwyAGrhoCwDw&ved=0CCgQvwUoAA&bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&bvm=bv.47534661,d.aWc&fp=2f45833179edba2e&biw=1680&bih=904

hmmm. 2.3 million results... That enough for you?

"I doubt you can, as you've been busy "Colonizing" this thread:"

Funny... From my end it appears as though I responded to one person then had the gun nut posse jump on me.

BTW... What I did up there... Where I gave you an answer to your question... It's good form, you should learn from it.

[friendly_iconoclast]

194. Not one quote with links. Why am I not surprised?

Do you prefer a gasoline or electric auxiliary, and how many poles do you set out?




Anyway, I doubt you'll be moving away from armed police presence anytime soon. You lot
tend to drop all qualms about people with guns when they're protecting you...

[Ohio Joe]

197. ohhhhh... You are a 'I need to protect myself from the gubmint' types

Have you heard they are stockpiling ammunition to come get you with the UN?

[friendly_iconoclast]

198. I am? That's news to me, as I don't even own a gun.

Your self-estimate of your own telepsychological skills is ...somewhat lacking.

added on edit:

May we assume that your other posts are of similar accuracy?

[WillyT]

173. HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!!

[malaise]

310. Kick again

and rec

[galileoreloaded]

190. overly emotional and irrelvant. this OP is a joke.

boring.

[Go Vols]

209. Woman sends poison letters

then blames it on her husband.

Where is the gun link to this plz?

[friendly_iconoclast]

211. There isn't a gun link. The OP "just knew" a 'gun nut' sent them...

...like those that "just knew" the Boston Marathon bombings were done by antigovernment
teabaggers. Hence the original headline:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=thread&address=10022928786&info=1#edits

Gun nut sends poison to Obama, Bloomberg.

The ones that got the Marathon bombings wrong mostly slunk away quietly. The OP (and friends) in this case
instead chose to double down on the stereoypes and spittle-flecked invective

[BainsBane]

215. Authorities had letters

full of gun nuttery, which you know if you've read a paper anytime in the past two weeks. You resurrect an old thread and that blame the OP because it's not up to date. It's cynical and assumes people are stupid enough to believe your games.

[pintobean]

217. friendly_iconoclast didn't resurrect this thread

I explained to you, in post #95, how it was resurrected. You seem to have ignored that, and created your own reality.

It's cynical and assumes people are stupid enough to believe your games.

[BainsBane]

253. every time he or someone else posts it

The thread is resurrected. Robb edited it, but you all are the ones keeping it alive. I could edit old threads all day long, but no one would see them. It would go entirely unnoticed. Some here seem to relish the attention, and keep running back for more. As much as gun zealots love to portray themselves as victims to Democratic party ideology, we know full well the real victims are the 38,000 a year slaughtered due to gun violence. Robb's words don't kill anyone. Guns do.

[friendly_iconoclast]

276. Robb *could* have owned up to getting it wrong and deleted the OP.

Unfortunately, that would have required a certain ...something... that he seems not
quite capable of. Instead, we got "look how sad those poopyhead gun <insert slur of choice>
made the poor people feel"...

[Lizzie Poppet]

278. The sun *could* rise in the north, too.

Both have roughly the same probability of occurring...

[friendly_iconoclast]

280. Hey, people don't *always* live down to your expectations of them.

Call me an optimist...

[Decoy of Fenris]

281. I'd say the sun rising in the north has a higher probability.

Given that astronomical conditions could theoretically produce a realignment of the planet's orientation in relation to the sun.

[BainsBane]

292. You continue to interpret the issue as narrowly as possible

He, like the FBI and everyone else, was wrong that the male gun nut sent the letter. Instead, his wife took advantage of the insanity of gun nuttery to send letters out of some sort of sick vendetta with her husband. That does nothing to change the fact that huge numbers of people die in this country and certain elements simply do not care. But ignore that, because those lives are inconsequential. All that matters is the feelings of gun zealots, who obsession with portraying themselves as victims is clearly far more important to them than human life. Being wrong on one event doesn't change the overall fact that there is a clear moral choice between life and death, and human life doesn't hold the same importance for gun zealots as it does for the rest of humanity. They view their capacity to stockpile untraceable weapons as more important than the lives of 38,000 Americans every year, just as Republicans consider their tax dollars more important than the lives of hungry children or high infant mortality rates that result from the lack of healthcare. We all make our political choices. Some will always choose themselves, regardless of the consequences. Humanity is a mixed bag. No one can be argued into being a compassionate human being. It's simply a question of character.

[friendly_iconoclast]

295. We know, we know- you lot claim to be morally superior to "*those* people"

Apparently then you should not be held to the same standards as those you term gun zealots- standards like
'concern for factual accuracy' and 'avoidance of threadjacking'.

"..by any means neccessary" and all that...

[BainsBane]

293. Google is full of examples of gun nuts making threats

https://www.google.com/#safe=active&output=search&sclient=psy-ab&q=gun+nuts+who+kill&oq=gun+nuts+who+kill&gs_l=hp.3...978.3003.0.3288.17.17.0.0.0.0.220.2494.0j16j1.17.0.cpsugrccggmnoe..0.0.0..1.1.17.psy-ab.MImihT-dOpI&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_cp.r_qf.&bvm=bv.47810305,d.aWc&fp=f8a3127130289377&biw=1024&bih=643


When are you all going to admit you were wrong on everything else?

[friendly_iconoclast]

279. And when the contents of those letters fit a stereotype, why *not* go all in?

[Crabby Appleton]

296. In the mind of the OPer nt

[snooper2]

228. This thread is the example of a clusterfuck

Yo Robb come back and edit again so your OP will make sense please?


So far I've got ricin, bloomberg, soda, guns, Obama, and a married soon to be divorced couple pointing fingers LOL

[oneshooter]

229. He can't/won't do that.

He is safe in his personal fiefdom, where all is good and anyone who asks "bothersome" questions is promptly banned. Thus assuring that all who remain are in lockstep and under control.

[snooper2]

232. so that means we keep this kicked?

[oneshooter]

233. Yea, it kinda looks that way. n/t

[snooper2]

234. cool, I know if I had an OP that went downhill and made me look stupid

I would probably just hope it dies down after 24-48 hours---

Wait for Du'ers to get on the next shiny thing-

But, my theory is if it stays up past 48 hours the OP might decide it is time to intervene.

Let's start the clock now, 12:40PM CST

[AtheistCrusader]

264. I think there's a timer that prevents him from

editing it after too long.

[Duckhunter935]

269. oh well

[snooper2]

294. We should pull him back to his OP then to try it..

Give us all some edumacation on if it's still an option

[cali]

231. How contemptible. You completely altered your OP.

[CokeMachine]

297. Kick just for kicks.

Where art you now!!

[BainsBane]

298. For an example of what the OP is talking about

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=123735

[Dr. Strange]

301. That link doesn't say anything about Obama or Bloomberg being poisoned.

[BainsBane]

302. WTF are you talking about?

Why does it need to?

[CokeMachine]

309. Maybe because the OP'er edited it to change the entire meaning.

The current version is what you see after all of the edits.

FYI here are the edits (except the final one):

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0.Sun Jun 9, 2013, 08:00 AM - Original version with no edits. (Hide)
Original version with no edits.

0. Gun nut sends poison to Obama, Bloomberg.(Reuters) - U.S. authorities are investigating a Texas man over threatening letters containing a deadly poison mailed to U.S. President Barack Obama and New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg, a law enforcement official said on Friday.

(snip)

FBI investigators in Texas are questioning a man in New Boston, Texas after his wife called the police to report suspicious activity, the law enforcement source said. The agency is proceeding cautiously, and the man has not been charged, the source added.

Those letters were postmarked May 20 from Shreveport, Louisiana, according to an official briefed on the investigation. They referred to the debate over the nation's gun laws and also were sent to Bloomberg's gun control group in Washington, D.C. Initial tests showed they contained ricin.

Read More: http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/05/31/us-usa-obama-letter-idUSBRE94T0VL201305311.Sun Jun 9, 2013, 08:00 AM - Unexplained edit. (Hide)
Unexplained edit.

0. Gun nuts are assholes. (Reuters) - U.S. authorities are investigating a Texas man over threatening letters containing a deadly poison mailed to U.S. President Barack Obama and New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg, a law enforcement official said on Friday.

(snip)

FBI investigators in Texas are questioning a man in New Boston, Texas after his wife called the police to report suspicious activity, the law enforcement source said. The agency is proceeding cautiously, and the man has not been charged, the source added.

Those letters were postmarked May 20 from Shreveport, Louisiana, according to an official briefed on the investigation. They referred to the debate over the nation's gun laws and also were sent to Bloomberg's gun control group in Washington, D.C. Initial tests showed they contained ricin.

Read More: http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/05/31/us-usa-obama-letter-idUSBRE94T0VL201305312.Sun Jun 9, 2013, 08:14 AM - Unexplained edit. (Hide)
Unexplained edit.

0. Gun nut assholes breathe a sigh of relief...
Despite early reports, THIS time their tribe wasn't responsible.
But don't worry gundamentalists! Another asshole will kill someone on your behalf soon!

(Reuters) - U.S. authorities are investigating a Texas man over threatening letters containing a deadly poison mailed to U.S. President Barack Obama and New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg, a law enforcement official said on Friday.

(snip)

FBI investigators in Texas are questioning a man in New Boston, Texas after his wife called the police to report suspicious activity, the law enforcement source said. The agency is proceeding cautiously, and the man has not been charged, the source added.

Those letters were postmarked May 20 from Shreveport, Louisiana, according to an official briefed on the investigation. They referred to the debate over the nation's gun laws and also were sent to Bloomberg's gun control group in Washington, D.C. Initial tests showed they contained ricin.

Read More: http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/05/31/us-usa-obama-letter-idUSBRE94T0VL201305313.Sun Jun 9, 2013, 11:28 AM - Unexplained edit. (Hide)
Unexplained edit.

0. Gungeoneer-type assholes breathe a sigh of relief...
Despite early reports, THIS time their tribe wasn't responsible.

But don't worry gundamentalists! Another asshole will kill someone on your behalf soon! (Reuters) - U.S. authorities are investigating a Texas man over threatening letters containing a deadly poison mailed to U.S. President Barack Obama and New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg, a law enforcement official said on Friday.

(snip)

FBI investigators in Texas are questioning a man in New Boston, Texas after his wife called the police to report suspicious activity, the law enforcement source said. The agency is proceeding cautiously, and the man has not been charged, the source added.

Those letters were postmarked May 20 from Shreveport, Louisiana, according to an official briefed on the investigation. They referred to the debate over the nation's gun laws and also were sent to Bloomberg's gun control group in Washington, D.C. Initial tests showed they contained ricin.

Read More: http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/05/31/us-usa-obama-letter-idUSBRE94T0VL201305314.Sun Jun 9, 2013, 01:11 PM - Unexplained edit. (Hide)
Unexplained edit.

0. Gungeoneer-type assholes breathe a sigh of relief...
Clearly I have their attention. So, listen closely:

Damn the sociopaths who hide from every gun death story and pour out of their caves to cheer at the slightest glimmer of hope that maybe, MAYBE it wasn't one of their insane tribe who did the crime this time. Damn the apologists for the madness of "gun rights," the glib assholes who wrap themselves in the Constitution to defend gun manufacturer's profits, while children and parents die by the dozens, daily.

Who defend the indefensible tooth and nail, pushing back against all gun safety legislation with equal fervor, so the simplest of it never sees the light of day: damn them.

And if this is you, damn you to hell.

---

Original story:


(Reuters) - U.S. authorities are investigating a Texas man over threatening letters containing a deadly poison mailed to U.S. President Barack Obama and New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg, a law enforcement official said on Friday.

(snip)

FBI investigators in Texas are questioning a man in New Boston, Texas after his wife called the police to report suspicious activity, the law enforcement source said. The agency is proceeding cautiously, and the man has not been charged, the source added.

Those letters were postmarked May 20 from Shreveport, Louisiana, according to an official briefed on the investigation. They referred to the debate over the nation's gun laws and also were sent to Bloomberg's gun control group in Washington, D.C. Initial tests showed they contained ricin.

[Dr. Strange]

313. The OP was about "Gun nut sends poison to Obama, Bloomberg."

You said

For an example of what the OP is talking about...

Your link has nothing about poisoning Obama or Bloomberg.

[BainsBane]

315. Nor do most of the posts in this thread

Why focus on mine? Most are grown men relishing in victimhood.

[Dr. Strange]

316. Yours is one of the few responses that links to another thread...

as an example of the OP. (Or at least one version of the OP.)

Also, yours is post 298, which is twice a prime, and is a nontotient number.

[BainsBane]

319. Will that be on the test?

You mean you don't like my opinion. Is it so hard to be honest?

[Dr. Strange]

323. It will be on the pop quiz.

Oops, I've said too much.

[BainsBane]

325. Sure, you would say pop

One of thoooose people.

[CokeMachine]

299. Kick -- that's all

[BainsBane]

300. LOL

[CokeMachine]

304. Thanks for the "Lots of Love" -- you're making me blush!!

Good to see we agree on this OP. Your approval means the world to me!!

Have a great day!!

[BainsBane]

307. I'm amused how you all love to bask in victimhood

Know what I do when I see an offensive post? I alert on it. I don't keep kicking it. I will needle the poster about his comments, to be sure, but I see no reason to compound the insult. To each his own.

Hugs and kisses.

[CokeMachine]

308. Thanks again -- love ya.

Maybe if the Op'er would just delete his 5 times edited post all would be fine. Apparently you agree that editing to change the whole meaning of a thread after it is Jury proof is fine. I call that deceitful. But to each their own. I'm sure you were also against the continued kicking or the MM posts, weren't you??

Anyway, Have a great night! I have pool league tonight so please don't think I'm ducking out.

Take Care,
CM

[BainsBane]

311. Yet rather than alerting

you keep kicking. Very strange indeed.

I don't know what MM posts are. But if they are the peanut butter ones, I'm okay with it.

[CokeMachine]

314. You do know that it is jury proof after 24 hours.

And yes, I'll keep kicking it occasionally. Especially when it illustrates that some animals are more equal than others.

Have a great day!!

Note to jury -- I'm not calling anyone an animal. It's a reference to Animal Farm.

[BainsBane]

317. Jury proof but not alert proof

I've sent alerts on old posts. They go to the administrators. But you all relish basking in victimhood.

[CokeMachine]

318. If it makes you feel better then it is so!!

Have a good night!!

That's all I can say since the hunters are watching me. The NSA has nothing on that group!

Have a great night!!

[BainsBane]

320. Woooo ooooo oooo

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=&imgrefurl=http://www.politifake.org/paranoia-strikes-deep-paranoia-conspiracy-loons-politics-33961.html&h=509&w=640&sz=28&tbnid=R9GuX9RZ2vPmJM&tbnh=200&tbnw=252&zoom=1&usg=__5ITOQhegJiDcQTt6O1hFNIpI8Kk=&hl=en

[CokeMachine]

321. Nice self portrait -- Thank you!!

Have a great day

[BainsBane]

322. Talking to you is always so intellectually stimulating

I learn so much.

[CokeMachine]

324. Quit it with all of the compliments -- you'll make me blush!!

I'm just trying to communicate on a level that will keep you and the juries happy.

Sunshine on my shoulders makes me happy!!

[BainsBane]

326. I'm sorry that talking about anything of substance

Last edited Thu Jun 20, 2013, 02:41 PM - Edit history (1)

without making personal attacks and getting posts hidden is such a struggle for you.

[CokeMachine]

328. Huh!!

Please edit so I can understand your post.

[premium]

329. Good luck with that. nt.

[BainsBane]

330. done

Two words transposed. I'm sure that will make all the difference in your response.

[CokeMachine]

331. I'll get right back to you on that!

I'm sure you're waiting with baited breath.

[BainsBane]

332. Consult the dictionary

and we can chat later.

[Lurker Dave]

303. Kick--

for posterity's sake.

[mwrguy]

305. Gun cultists don't care who dies

as long as they can have their precious.

[oneshooter]

306. If you truly believe that, then you need help.

[BainsBane]

312. Seems a logical conclusion to me

They advance policies that result in the highest homicide rate in the First World.
They simply refuse to acknowledge the consequences of gun proliferation.
It's like being a neocon cheer leading for war and pretending that casualties are totally unrelated. You all have blocked yourself off from the results of the policies you work toward, I suppose as I way to keep looking yourselves in the mirror. Meanwhile, the rest of us the country pays for that disassociation from reality.

[Iggo]

333. ^^^ RIGHT HERE.

[BainsBane]

334. Kick

[CokeMachine]

335. Kick

Was going to let this sink until the OPer became self rightous in another group.

Go transparency!!! -- and yes my transparency page is open for all to see. Had to beat a couple of posters to that.



edit: spelling

[CokeMachine]

336. Kick

Please check out all of the edits to the OP. They are very informative!!