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[Bay Boy]

1. That's just one blade?

It's huge!

[Lady Freedom Returns]

2. Just one. n/t

[Warren Stupidity]

3. Note also that despite its size it didn't do all that much damage.

Blades have to be big and light.

[elehhhhna]

16. of course if it bounces off a child's head

it may be considered "heavy enough"

it's all relative, eh?

[Warren Stupidity]

17. As would just about anything else blown by a tornado that bounced off a baby's head.

[nadinbrzezinski]

43. They are, the large ones, the size of a 747 wing

[Brother Buzz]

77. The large blade are twice the size of a 747 wing

Facts matter.

[Warren Stupidity]

4. Didn't a lot of other stuff get knocked down too?

[freshwest]

13. There are a number of pictures at the UKMail link.

Including a small plane flipped over.

[Fumesucker]

5. That implies the blade was inside the building

Not evidently the case judging by the picture.

[Lady Freedom Returns]

7. Imagen if it hit a a small or trailer home.

As I said it is just hitting the newsfeeds, more soon.

We only see some of the area in the pic as well.

[Fumesucker]

9. I have a lot of trees around me, many of which could crush my home and me

Windstorms do a lot of damage, not just wind turbines. I've been unable to leave my neighborhood for a week thanks to a wind and ice storm that brought down power lines across the entrance road.

[uppityperson]

25. This is a better headline and heh, look at the other photo I found.

This is a much better tweet headline.

http://twitchy.com/2013/06/01/terrifying-photos-tornado-brings-wind-turbine-blade-down-on-el-reno-okla-day-care/

Wind Turbine blade takes out daycare/playground. Canadian Valley Tech, El Reno, OK. No injuries reported. http://t.co/HMEYEArSXm—
Dan Thomas (@DanielmThomas) June 01, 2013

Ooooo, look what I found.
"More damage as I walk to the north side of Canadian Valley Tech. Center-- maintenance bldg wiped out. #okcfox #okwx pic.twitter.com/FdSnmXL6VY"



Overturned car near playground

[Liberal_in_LA]

6. that thing is huge

[Brickbat]

8. The active voice in that OP subject cracks my shit up.

Wind turbine doesn't give a shit.

[Buzz Clik]

15. "So a turbine blade went into a daycare....

... and asked the head mistress, 'Do you have any openings for some sharp little students?"

[HiPointDem]

33. lol

[sgtbenobo]

10. Let's not start this shit again!

It could have been a silo, a semi loaded with car batteries, or clown cars full of Shriners! But nooooo watch out those new-fangled turbine-thingys... they are the real killer debris. Listen up kids. One word. Tor-fucking-nado!

Carry on.

[freshwest]

12. Indeed, they can pick up anything. Items thrown aren't relevant, but it's a good picture.

[laundry_queen]

51. No kidding. lol.

Weirdest OP ever. I cannot figure out the point of this post at all. Tornadoes, microburst and downdrafts are all very powerful and can cause major damage, even if something is expertly designed and meticulously maintained. Jesus.

[Warpy]

55. The first wind farm I saw was on I40 west of OKC

in 1989. OK has had a long time to get used to them new fangled wind machines.

The main thing I noticed about them was how loud they were. It was a steady racket caused by the generators, though, so it was easy to get used to. I stayed in a motel next to the installation that night and was too exhausted to mind the noise.

Wind turbine antagonists need to look carefully at that picture. There is a kid's tricycle that's supposed to be there, but there is a whole lot of other debris there that isn't.

It had to be a tornado or a microburst, something drastic enough to rip a machine of that size apart.

[freshwest]

11. That storm system could throw a semi into a building. One of the tornadoes here (dial-up warning):

They haven't found all of the missing yet. Too much too close together. Hope all of our DUers and their communities will be as safe as they can in the next few days. Because this may not be over with, take care.

[petronius]

14. Roughly estimating from Google Maps, it looks like the turbines are 500-800' away

from where that blade came to rest.

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Canadian+Valley+Technology+Center,+El+Reno,+OK&hl=en&ll=35.510894,-97.882009&spn=0.002275,0.005284&sll=35.449746,-97.743731&sspn=0.009107,0.021136&oq=Canadian+Valley+Technology+Center+&t=h&gl=us&hq=Canadian+Valley+Technology+Center,&hnear=El+Reno,+Canadian,+Oklahoma&z=18

Such a devastating series of storms; hope OK gets a respite and folks are staying safe...

[JetJaguar]

66. From the Gmap snaps

It appears there was a blade stored on the ground (East)

about 100 feet from the building.

Time-frame, who knows?

[frylock]

18. epic anti wind energy propaganda fail

[quinnox]

21. + 1000

[Lady Freedom Returns]

23. Blah Blah Blah!!!!

The wind turbines in this country is part of the infrastructure breakdown of this country.

The Turbines need better upkeep and updated. Just like many of our dames, roads, bridges, & railroads.

This is not anti-wind, this is anti breakdown. There are bladeless wind turbines that can be used http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2013-04/3/bladeless-wind-turbine-ewicon . They also need better care with the upkeep of the turbines till that are replaced by the new technology.

This country is falling apart and people are so divided on everything to see it. So take whatever side you want, because your side taking will not help when it is all gone due to zero REAL upkeep!

[uppityperson]

26. Do you even realize this was from a tornado, not "breakdown"? Found another picture of surviving tur

"More damage as I walk to the north side of Canadian Valley Tech. Center-- maintenance bldg wiped out. #okcfox #okwx pic.twitter.com/FdSnmXL6VY"

[Lady Freedom Returns]

30. Oh yes, better than anyone.

But as reports come in, and they will, the upkeep will come into question.

And if it comes out this was caused by the strait line wind from the storms and not the tornado itself, it will be another example of the US lack of keeping up with the infrastructure needs as well as lack of must have inspections.

[uppityperson]

35. You know this was from a tornado "better than anyone"? Let me ask my OK friends who were IN IT

if you know better than them.
Since the rest of the building there was severely damaged by the tornado, this was from it also.

You know "better than anyone" it was from a tornado, then go on to say it may not have been, "proving" your point that US infrastructure is in decay and wasn't inspected.

Does your head hurt from all that spinning around?

[Lady Freedom Returns]

44. I know what a tornado will do better than anyone.

Does that help your understanding better?

[uppityperson]

49. you know what a tornado will do better than anyone? Again, let me ask my OK friends or even myself

who have been in them.

Uppity, does this person know better than you what it is like? No, she doesn't. Even if she was in one, she doesn't know better than you what it will do. Thanks Uppity! Any time.

OK, you don't know better than me.

Now, let's ask this woman if you know better than her what a tornado will do. What do you think she'll say?
http://l1.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/91f..eUfJU8Dry2pGW1jkA--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NTt3PTYzMA--/

How about this woman? Let's ask her. She'll be easy to find since is still in the hospital unless she died.
http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1356381.1369755336!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_635/doan29n-5web.jpg

[Lady Freedom Returns]

71. You WANT to know my credentials? I'll give them!

The city of Joplin come to mind?

That is my credentials. I lost my home, some friends. I lost my two babies, my puppies babies.

My baby sister had to be medevac to Springfield because she, even though not in the direct path, was hurt. She ran out of her place of business, where she was safe to make some neighborhood kids into the restaurant. As she was pushing them throw the door, two little pebbles hit her like bullets from a gun. One scraped her heart, the other embedded in her lung.

I just moved into a nice place not a week before that was 6 blocks away from St. John's Hospital. The first siren went off and we took the dogs and ourselves to the basement. Then some time passes and we hear the second blast. I lived there for 33 years at that point and the second blast was always all clear. Well not this time.

We came out, let the dogs play in the yard. We saw that the electric was out so we could not see the reports. We heard a strange sound like someone was strangling a huge duck. They say it was from the sirens because of s sudden power blast from the power blast due to the tornado ripping out the power lines. I stepped out and saw it. I was a deer in the headlights. My SO was fast enough, and strong enough to pick me up, get back down to the basement, place me behind the washer and dryer (I still have no idea how he moved them so fast).

We came out and saw our new little rental a pill of rubble. That was the start of the nightmares.

So? Happy now. Thanks for making this up to the forefront of my mind for me. I have been fight with it since I saw Moore on the news. But hey, who needs a peace of mind? Or the ability to sleep or eat?

[Katashi_itto]

65. Really you do? Then why the misleading title?

[Lady Freedom Returns]

68. I am a surviver or the Joplin Mo EF-5 tornado.

I lost my home, some friends, even my two puppy babies. So I know.

ADD) HELL I came close to losing my baby sister! So Yeah I KNOW what a tornado will do!

[Katashi_itto]

70. Why post such a misleading title?

I lived in Missouri for years.

I've seen twisters too.

Making it thru an EF5 doesnt make you an expert.

It just makes you lucky.

Twisters can pick up boxcars, trucks. Hardly anything freestanding can handle them. Your whole article is slanted.

[Lady Freedom Returns]

72. I saw the after effect first hand. I saw the blood.

I lost more than you have. I lost my piece of mind. I lost faith. I have had to fight with the nightmares.

Have you?

[Katashi_itto]

74. A bad experience with a Twister, still doesn't make you an expert in anything.

Except where to hide as it comes roaring thru.

And you don't even have that, since all you saw was the after-effect.

If anything, your "experiences" seem to have colored your reason.

As for what I've seen, yep no sweat, I have seen worse.

Although, hey I feel for you, I'm sorry you had a bad experience.

But it sounds like, due to your one bad experience, we're supposed to take your opinion as gospel.

[Lady Freedom Returns]

75. You are just out to hurt me.

I worked for KODE for 5 years. I went out with the Meteorologist, even did some chasing for some nice pay.
Then I wet threw hell.

But you are out to call me a liar. You are out to drag up bad memories to cause hurt.

I will not answer you any more. I an adding you to my ignore list.

It is wrong to cause pain for ones own enjoyment.

[Katashi_itto]

79. I see, so going out with a meteorologist makes you an expert?

Running low on the credibility there.

Proud to be added to your ignore, thanks!

[Egalitarian Thug]

73. And when it doesn't we are all looking forward to your mea culpa. n/t

[HiPointDem]

34. there's a wind turbine in the background, unharmed. i guess it's our dumptrucks that need to

be maintained better. and whatever that other wreck is in the foreground.

[uppityperson]

36. That is another building on the campus that didn't have kids in the daycare when the infrastructure

failed due to lack of inspections during a huge violent tornado.

[HiPointDem]

37. what are you talking about? sounds like nonsense to me.

[uppityperson]

40. Riffing off a post upthread...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2934503

Where she knows "better than anyone" that this is from a tornado, and if it wasn't it'll prove her point...

Oh yes, better than anyone.

But as reports come in, and they will, the upkeep will come into question.

And if it comes out this was caused by the strait line wind from the storms and not the tornado itself, it will be another example of the US lack of keeping up with the infrastructure needs as well as lack of must have inspections.

[A HERETIC I AM]

58. It's an International Harvester model 9800 Cabover tractor.

Similar to this one, though the wrecked one doesn't appear to have the raised roof;



Not a dump truck, but a road tractor for moving semi trailers.

Also, to be fair....

The turbine in the background of the pic in post 26 has MUCH smaller blades mounted than the one in the OP's pic.

[Fumesucker]

28. Not a word about poor maintenance in the OP

And tornadoes fuck shit up, it's what they do.

[Lady Freedom Returns]

42. And what, as report come out, this was due to strait line winds, something..

that they must be able to stand up to? Wind off storms can be very strong.

This is not about pro or con wind, this is not really about a tornado, this is about us as a nation to wake up and see that the infrastructure is going to hell. We need more inspections and push to upgrade.

There is to many wind mill that need work on. The Corps. that own them don't get inspections enough so they let upkeep slide. If it come out it was more strait line than a direct hit, it will be another example of America falling apart.

[Fumesucker]

60. Well then your OP was very badly worded

Because practically everyone who has read it, me included, thinks it's a slam on wind power.

[SammyWinstonJack]

56. ...

[MADem]

63. Just like many of our dames????

This isn't England, we have no dames, no duchesses, and no princesses...and the pictures you are showing have NOTHING to do with infrastructure falling apart.

What is your agenda, here?

Why are you posting pictures of devastation caused entirely by a tornado and making a false association with infrastructure breakdown?

[Katashi_itto]

67. +1000

[leveymg]

19. OMG - a wind turbine can be damaged by a tornado? Shut them all down, NOW! GO SAFE NUCLEAR!

[nadinbrzezinski]

48. Since that is not what the OP said.

But do go on.

[uppityperson]

20. Airplane went into Tech Center! Don't know if anyone inside.

Other Shit Went Through Tech Center!


Trees went into Home! Unsure if anyone was inside.

[quinnox]

22. OMG, something must be done about this flying wind blades menace!

Won't someone think of the children?

[Lady Freedom Returns]

27. In all seriousness, this is something to be looked at.

Wind turbines are just as much part of the American Infrastructure as much as Dames, Roads, Bridges, and Railways.

They do need better upkeep and replacement with newer and better technology.
http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2013-04/3/bladeless-wind-turbine-ewicon

[quinnox]

29. oh, sweet jesus, yea sure, I have to fucking dodge gigantic flying wind turbine blades every day

as I make my way to work. Seriously, I'm like fucking Indiana Jones out there, they should film my acrobatic maneuvers.

Come on.

[uppityperson]

31. In all seriousness, "Dame"s are part of American Infrastructure?

[quinnox]

32. lol, in a way, sure

[uppityperson]

39. OK. But we are NOT in the same category as roads and bridges. OK?

[quinnox]

41. lol. agreed!

[pinboy3niner]

47. I just hope you're upkeeping yourself and keeping up with your inspections

Deferred maintenance just won't do!

[uppityperson]

50. "They do need better upkeep and replacement with newer and better technology."

[HiPointDem]

38. There is nothing like a dame. Nothing in the world.

[A HERETIC I AM]

62. There are no books like a dame. n/t

[HiPointDem]

78. there is nothing you can name that is anything like a dame.

[A HERETIC I AM]

80. There ain't a thing that's wrong with any man here.....

that can't be cured by putting him near.....


A girly, womanly, female, feminine...





D AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAME!

[HiPointDem]

82. what a voice you have.

[MADem]

69. These gentlemen seem to think so....

Every time I see the guy who played "Uncle Martin" from My Favorite Martian in this I crack up...

[Apophis]

54. I don't understand how Dames like Judi Dench are part of US infrastructure.

[Apophis]

24. Did it, like, literally fly a mile to fall in the building?

Did any birds get killed due to the blade?

WONT SOMEONE THINK OF THE RAPTORS???? 1111!!!!!

[nadinbrzezinski]

46. Some of us do, including the very much at danger of going extinct

California Condor. I luuuve it how much you guys discount anything...as long as you get yer morning coffee.

And the best part...there are wind solutions that don't kill bats, or birds and don't have blades.

Why look at that shit? It's anti wind I tell ya!!! If you are Siemens...you are correct..they really don't want you to look at that.

[Ian David]

45. I'm pretty sure lots of things besides wind turbines get blown into daycares during tornadoes. n/t

[MADem]

52. Good thing it wasn't a cigarette smoking, breast feeding pitbull!

Those can really do some damage!!!!

[pinboy3niner]

57. But they aren't weaponized until you bread them in corn flakes

[MADem]

61. ...in an Olive Garden!!!

[rightsideout]

53. More anti-wind nonsense

As usual, folks are freaking out about technology they don't understand.

Wind turbines are routinely inspected.

Just because a blade broke off after a tornado hit a wind turbine doesn't mean there is an "infrastructure" problem with wind turbines. It means there is an infrastructure issue with your logic.

You may as well say all homes, hospitals, schools and other buildings destroyed after a tornado hits are all infrastructure problems.

It looks to me like that turbine blade did not go "into" the building, impaling anyone who may have been inside, as the title is suggesting or hoping would have happened.

The title alone is anti-wind energy.

[SammyWinstonJack]

59. ...

[Katashi_itto]

64. Misleading Title. A Storm caused this.

[usGovOwesUs3Trillion]

76. Phew, I thought it broke of on its own, not due to a major storm

I sure hope no one was hurt by that thing!

[geomon666]

81. Ha! You wind suckers look really foolish now!

If that had been a nuclear power plant that meltdown that daycare would be untouched!

[Lady Freedom Returns]

83. Self -Locking because many don't get it

Many are so pro wind that they won't listen to the fact they need to be updates and to mandate better upkeep.

As for the winds/tornado, I wonder if it was a direct hit or not? I remember when some group came to Pittsburg KS about doing a wind farm. They made all kinds of promises that they could stand up to something like 150 mph strait line winds or something like that. But they were doing there best to make people believe that any storm would be nothing to worry about.

That is what making me wonder A LOT about this. Was it a direct hit? Was there promises about strength that were made? What kind of winds are they supposed to handle? list goes on.

What is really amazing, it me, is not that many seem to be thinking of this as a question of our national infrastructure. They seem to look at it as an attack on wind energy. To me, anything to do with the national energy grid is important. Fossil, water, wind, solar, all of it is important to the infrastructure as roads, bridges, dams, and railways. They need upkeep.

But some can not se past their views to see.
Or maybe I am just dumb for looking at it that way.