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dsc

(52,169 posts)
Sun Jun 2, 2013, 10:55 PM Jun 2013

This is a real problem, putting pot smokers in jail for decades

http://www.commondreams.org/newswire/2013/01/04-1

WASHINGTON - January 4 - Fallout from the Obama Administration's aggressive federal enforcement in medical marijuana states has reached a fever pitch this month with three people being sentenced, two others due to surrender to federal authorities to serve out sentences of up to five years in prison, and one federal trial in Montana currently scheduled for January 14th. Two of the three people being sentenced in the coming month -- Montana cultivator Chris Williams and Los Angeles-area dispensary operator Aaron Sandusky -- face five and ten years to life, respectively.

"The number of sick patients being locked up by the Obama Administration is unprecedented and deplorable," said Kris Hermes, spokesperson for Americans for Safe Access, the country's leading medical marijuana advocacy organization. "Aggressive enforcement is an unacceptable means of addressing medical marijuana as a public health issue," continued Hermes. "The Obama Administration is lying to the American people when it says it's not targeting individual patients and these cases are clear evidence of that." Montana patient cultivator Richard Flor died in August while serving out a 5-year prison sentence.

Five cultivators claiming to be in compliance with Michigan's medical marijuana law were sentenced in October. Two of the cultivators -- Jaycob Montague and Jeremy Duval -- are already serving their prison terms of 18 months and 5 years, respectively, and two others -- John Marcinkewciz and Shelley Waldron -- are scheduled to surrender to federal authorities on January 8th and 10th, respectively. Waldron will be imprisoned for 18 months and Marcinkewciz for 5 years. The fifth cultivator, Jerry Duval (Jeremy's father), was sentenced to 10 years, but has not yet been given a surrender date.

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There is no excuse for this, none. No bankers in jail despite their ruining the economy, no Massey execs in jail despite literally killing miners, but these people get decades.
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This is a real problem, putting pot smokers in jail for decades (Original Post) dsc Jun 2013 OP
This message was self-deleted by its author madaboutharry Jun 2013 #1
K&R for more eyes. nt Mnemosyne Jun 2013 #2
Kick n/t LadyHawkAZ Jun 2013 #3
Beyond bad policy, and so unnecessary...knr...nt. GReedDiamond Jun 2013 #4
B-but the DOJ operates independently I tell ya!!! Bonobo Jun 2013 #5
in particular cases that is fair dsc Jun 2013 #7
And those two boys form Stubenville? Lordquinton Jun 2013 #6
Yup, our justice system is f'ed up. Lunacee_2013 Jun 2013 #17
profitable and safer, cuz fewer REAL bad guys inside than those who misbehave n/t librechik Jun 2013 #22
Congress needs to revisit these laws. JDPriestly Jun 2013 #8
Probably not. Separation Jun 2013 #14
I thought it was up to congress and the senate to repeal federal laws and cstanleytech Jun 2013 #9
One of the greatest powers of the president is his ability to determine rhett o rick Jun 2013 #10
Assuming you are right I wonder why he doesnt then. cstanleytech Jun 2013 #11
Obama is Truly Foolish Stainless Jun 2013 #23
He does what his bosses tell him to do... awoke_in_2003 Jun 2013 #28
Why is it only these people that got busted? Buddyblazon Jun 2013 #12
Kickin' the hell out of this one. defacto7 Jun 2013 #13
Hey, quit being a bummer, we're looking forward. n/t Egalitarian Thug Jun 2013 #15
You'd think if the republicans B Calm Jun 2013 #16
It was Nixon who talked Congress into allowing him, Le Taz Hot Jun 2013 #25
yes, it's a real problem but cali Jun 2013 #18
k&r, n/t appal_jack Jun 2013 #19
It's time to end the "war on drugs." NaturalHigh Jun 2013 #20
They have let the 'state's rights' thing run amok.... 4_TN_TITANS Jun 2013 #21
recommended phantom power Jun 2013 #24
It's an unmitigated disaster ! Many people have gone to jail for months for simply possessing ladjf Jun 2013 #26
Did any of them ask for a jury trial? Time to think about jury nullification. n/t yodermon Jun 2013 #27

Response to dsc (Original post)

Lunacee_2013

(529 posts)
17. Yup, our justice system is f'ed up.
Mon Jun 3, 2013, 04:52 AM
Jun 2013

I use to baby-sit a kid who was molested by her father. His sentence? 18 months, and he didn't even serve all of it because of over-crowding, partly caused by the war on drugs. So instead of putting rapists and the crooks on wall-street in prison, ya know, the ppl who actually deserve it, we're putting sick ppl, college kids, and hippies in there. Gotta keep our private prisons profitable I guess...

Separation

(1,975 posts)
14. Probably not.
Mon Jun 3, 2013, 02:20 AM
Jun 2013

It's costing them a ton of money, my guess is that they will be sent to a privatized prison.

When jail and medical needs become a, for profit, protecting the shareholder's bottom line over the well being of the little guy (you and I). Well, things will not end up good.

cstanleytech

(26,328 posts)
9. I thought it was up to congress and the senate to repeal federal laws and
Mon Jun 3, 2013, 12:24 AM
Jun 2013

that if they dont want to then the law has to be enforced by the varies federal agencies?

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
10. One of the greatest powers of the president is his ability to determine
Mon Jun 3, 2013, 12:39 AM
Jun 2013

how strongly to enforce laws. If he refused to enforce then Congress could take action, but he has the power to determine priorities and he hasnt the money to enforce all laws.

It amazes me that Obama lovers will resort to the argument that he is powerless.

cstanleytech

(26,328 posts)
11. Assuming you are right I wonder why he doesnt then.
Mon Jun 3, 2013, 12:56 AM
Jun 2013

Its not like he can run for a 3rd term so he doesn have anything political to gain.

Stainless

(718 posts)
23. Obama is Truly Foolish
Mon Jun 3, 2013, 02:11 PM
Jun 2013

His leadership is very hit and miss and marijuana is one area where he totally blew the opportunity to gain a lot of support for his policies. His failure to lead will cause a lot of misery for people who deserve better than he has to offer.

 

Buddyblazon

(3,014 posts)
12. Why is it only these people that got busted?
Mon Jun 3, 2013, 02:08 AM
Jun 2013

Why haven't all MMJ patients and cultivators been busted?

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
13. Kickin' the hell out of this one.
Mon Jun 3, 2013, 02:11 AM
Jun 2013

&R

It's all so stupid. I never thought I would be as old as I am now and see the same bull shit. In 1970, I thought by 1980 MJ would be in the open. And on and on and on the stupid goes.

 

B Calm

(28,762 posts)
16. You'd think if the republicans
Mon Jun 3, 2013, 04:46 AM
Jun 2013

who want smaller government were smart, they would be all over this.

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
25. It was Nixon who talked Congress into allowing him,
Mon Jun 3, 2013, 03:25 PM
Jun 2013

a president, to apply Schedule I to cannabis which means if a president giveth a president can taketh away (in this case, re-schedule or, better yet, REMOVER all schedules). Another point: Obama has prosecuted FAR FAR more cases of MM than Bush ever did. Republicans my ass.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
18. yes, it's a real problem but
Mon Jun 3, 2013, 05:02 AM
Jun 2013

why make shit up for your op title? these people are being imprisoned but their sentences are not decades long as you claim.

NaturalHigh

(12,778 posts)
20. It's time to end the "war on drugs."
Mon Jun 3, 2013, 11:30 AM
Jun 2013

It has cost our country billions, and it's never been effective. Prohibition has created murderous drug cartels that terrify people with paramilitary armies of goons and enrich psychopaths who would otherwise be nothing more than low-level thugs.

4_TN_TITANS

(2,977 posts)
21. They have let the 'state's rights' thing run amok....
Mon Jun 3, 2013, 12:44 PM
Jun 2013

The very first time a state voted to go against the federal law, this should have been addressed / repealed by the U.S. Congress. I consider this to be entrapment - arresting people who are led to believe they are operating within their state's laws.

The federal MJ laws should be repealed and it should be up to a state to determine legal or not, if that's how we are going to do it.

ladjf

(17,320 posts)
26. It's an unmitigated disaster ! Many people have gone to jail for months for simply possessing
Mon Jun 3, 2013, 04:43 PM
Jun 2013

one or two joints.

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