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dkf

(37,305 posts)
Sat Jun 8, 2013, 03:26 PM Jun 2013

Boundless Informant: the NSA's secret tool to track global surveillance data

The National Security Agency has developed a powerful tool for recording and analysing where its intelligence comes from, raising questions about its repeated assurances to Congress that it cannot keep track of all the surveillance it performs on American communications.

The Guardian has acquired top-secret documents about the NSA datamining tool, called Boundless Informant, that details and even maps by country the voluminous amount of information it collects from computer and telephone networks.

The focus of the internal NSA tool is on counting and categorizing the records of communications, known as metadata, rather than the content of an email or instant message.

The Boundless Informant documents show the agency collecting almost 3 billion pieces of intelligence from US computer networks over a 30-day period ending in March 2013. One document says it is designed to give NSA officials answers to questions like, "What type of coverage do we have on country X" in "near real-time by asking the SIGINT [signals intelligence] infrastructure."

An NSA factsheet about the program, acquired by the Guardian, says: "The tool allows users to select a country on a map and view the metadata volume and select details about the collections against that country."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/08/nsa-boundless-informant-global-datamining?CMP=twt_gu

Wow Greenwald looks like he has a whole lot of govt docs and is releasing one by one.

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Boundless Informant: the NSA's secret tool to track global surveillance data (Original Post) dkf Jun 2013 OP
If I were him, premium Jun 2013 #1
Informant looks to be using WAPO and the Guardian. dkf Jun 2013 #3
Maybe the informant better look out for a drone. nt. premium Jun 2013 #6
Greenwald appears to be making a dare. MineralMan Jun 2013 #2
The Wapo reporter says the informant believes he will be exposed but feels this needs to be done. dkf Jun 2013 #4
Ah, OK. Well, it will be interesting, I'm sure. MineralMan Jun 2013 #5
He's getting into murkier territory IMO. dkf Jun 2013 #7
It looks to me like he's jumping in with both feet. MineralMan Jun 2013 #8
Maybe he's gotten too big to go after. dkf Jun 2013 #9
Or, he may feel that he has. MineralMan Jun 2013 #11
Disgruntled NSA employee? premium Jun 2013 #13
Probably not. Those folks, and I was one of them years ago, MineralMan Jun 2013 #14
Thanks, premium Jun 2013 #16
Would they have access to screen shots of the tool? dkf Jun 2013 #19
They might. MineralMan Jun 2013 #22
I think The Guardian and Glenn might have a surprise DevonRex Jun 2013 #10
Can O' Worms. MineralMan Jun 2013 #12
Yes. DevonRex Jun 2013 #15
Well, I doubt that the source is a UK citizen. MineralMan Jun 2013 #17
... DevonRex Jun 2013 #21
Hmm...I think I know what your long-shot might be. MineralMan Jun 2013 #23
So far, the docs have been marked TS/SI/NOFORN. Is that a high classification? FarCenter Jun 2013 #26
Top Secret is serious. MineralMan Jun 2013 #28
Fortunately, the NSA can of worms is, apparently, being opened from the inside. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #24
Maybe. Maybe not. MineralMan Jun 2013 #27
Hopefully, this esposure of government abuse won't go away. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #29
OK. MineralMan Jun 2013 #30
Hopefully, more will be revealed. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #31
Their not looking for harmless data. MineralMan Jun 2013 #32
Are we to trust the nice, privacy loving, people at NSA with it? Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #33
This is a good thread. longship Jun 2013 #18
Basically an operations dashboard built using Hadoop, MapReduce and Cloudbase FarCenter Jun 2013 #20
Interesting that the first link shows a document MineralMan Jun 2013 #25
 

premium

(3,731 posts)
1. If I were him,
Sat Jun 8, 2013, 03:29 PM
Jun 2013

I would be worried about a drone circling high above armed with a air to surface missile.

MineralMan

(151,269 posts)
2. Greenwald appears to be making a dare.
Sat Jun 8, 2013, 03:31 PM
Jun 2013

If so, whoever is feeding him these classified documents needs to start worrying. Whether it's a congress member or Senator on the Intelligence committees or a staffer for one of those, it's a short search to find out who has access to classified documents at that level. Foolish Informant, I think, would be a better description here.

Greenwald himself is pretty much out of reach, but not the person feeding him this stuff.

 

dkf

(37,305 posts)
4. The Wapo reporter says the informant believes he will be exposed but feels this needs to be done.
Sat Jun 8, 2013, 03:33 PM
Jun 2013

MineralMan

(151,269 posts)
5. Ah, OK. Well, it will be interesting, I'm sure.
Sat Jun 8, 2013, 03:34 PM
Jun 2013

Perhaps less so for the informant, though. We'll see.

 

dkf

(37,305 posts)
7. He's getting into murkier territory IMO.
Sat Jun 8, 2013, 03:35 PM
Jun 2013

Not sure we needed to see this doc but I don't understand it all yet.

MineralMan

(151,269 posts)
8. It looks to me like he's jumping in with both feet.
Sat Jun 8, 2013, 03:40 PM
Jun 2013

Ballsy. It will be interesting to see what comes next and beyond.

I have no particular love for Greenwald, but I hope he knows what he's doing on this one. As for his informant, I'm concerned for whomever that may be.

I'm sure the investigation is already underway. Mr. Greenwald may get a visit shortly by some very serious, very polite people.

On the other hand, we may never find out.

 

dkf

(37,305 posts)
9. Maybe he's gotten too big to go after.
Sat Jun 8, 2013, 03:44 PM
Jun 2013

He is obviously a critic who believes in transparency with a strong tilt towards civil liberties.

MineralMan

(151,269 posts)
11. Or, he may feel that he has.
Sat Jun 8, 2013, 03:47 PM
Jun 2013

I'm just not sure. I don't know where he is these days, either. None of my business.

He is who he is. Based on what he has written over time, I see him as a libertarian, primarily. More along the lines of the Rands than anything else. I think he also has a grudge against the Obama administration. Weird combination. Depending on what information he has, he may expose additional material that will prove embarrassing.

We'll see.

 

premium

(3,731 posts)
13. Disgruntled NSA employee?
Sat Jun 8, 2013, 03:49 PM
Jun 2013

You can bet the hunt is on to find the leaker, and, you're probably right, Mr. Greenwald will get a visit by the humorless men of the FBI? Scotland Yard? NSA? MI5? Who knows.

MineralMan

(151,269 posts)
14. Probably not. Those folks, and I was one of them years ago,
Sat Jun 8, 2013, 03:53 PM
Jun 2013

know the penalties. They get reminded of it frequently. Congress is far more likely as a source. Maybe some staffer for one of the Intelligence Committees members. It's someone with a Top Secret clearance, anyhow. Lists are kept of who has access to what. It won't take long to run it down.

Whoever talks to Greenwald, though, will be very polite, I'm sure.

 

premium

(3,731 posts)
16. Thanks,
Sat Jun 8, 2013, 03:56 PM
Jun 2013

probably is a congressional staffer, if it is, they'll be pretty easy to run to ground.

 

dkf

(37,305 posts)
19. Would they have access to screen shots of the tool?
Sat Jun 8, 2013, 04:03 PM
Jun 2013

That wouldn't take someone who has a terminal?

MineralMan

(151,269 posts)
22. They might.
Sat Jun 8, 2013, 04:18 PM
Jun 2013

What the document may be is a briefing document. Such a document might well contain screen shots. It could even be a printout of a Powerpoint presentation. I don't know, though. They didn't have Powerpoint back in the 1960s, but I remember seeing briefing documents, prepared for people outside of the agency who had a need to know something. Very professionally done.

That might limit the number of people who had access even further, and makes me think more and more of Congress and Intelligence Committees. They have the oversight, and the security clearances. Who knows, though?

DevonRex

(22,541 posts)
10. I think The Guardian and Glenn might have a surprise
Sat Jun 8, 2013, 03:45 PM
Jun 2013

coming their way. There are agreements between nations that come into play. Software and hardware and people are shared. UK laws are much, much stricter on the press regarding leaks. They are also much, much more lenient on privacy issues. Much.

DevonRex

(22,541 posts)
15. Yes.
Sat Jun 8, 2013, 03:54 PM
Jun 2013

I can't decide whether he didn't think that far ahead or if it's deliberate. Or if he believes that as long as he doesn't release anything that specifically says UK on it then they'll leave him alone. If that's the case

MineralMan

(151,269 posts)
17. Well, I doubt that the source is a UK citizen.
Sat Jun 8, 2013, 03:58 PM
Jun 2013

It's a very small group there who would have access to these documents. Here in the US, it's a little larger. But not that much. The NSA is pretty careful with dissemination of documents, and they keep meticulous records. They'll be checking their list for the documents that have been leaked.

This is a nose-thumbing by Greenwald. He'll probably skate, but not the informant.

DevonRex

(22,541 posts)
21. ...
Sat Jun 8, 2013, 04:15 PM
Jun 2013

Oh, the source is obviously here. I'd be shocked if they didn't know already. The only question is (and has been) do they expose what they already know or are there more people involved who would scurry underground?

So far they've decided to wait but the cost could be too dear if this keeps up. Except in one long-shot possibility which I'll keep mum about.

MineralMan

(151,269 posts)
23. Hmm...I think I know what your long-shot might be.
Sat Jun 8, 2013, 04:20 PM
Jun 2013

I doubt it, though. I suspect some over-zealous someone decided this was just too good not to leak. I also suspect that someone will be regretful, soon. What will happen may or may not be public information. We'll see.

One thing I imagine that has already happened is a Presidential briefing on the matter, and I'll bet who ever did the briefing saw President Obama's unhappy face. Heads may roll.

 

FarCenter

(19,429 posts)
26. So far, the docs have been marked TS/SI/NOFORN. Is that a high classification?
Sat Jun 8, 2013, 04:26 PM
Jun 2013

Since it is a declassified classification, I would think it is only medium.

MineralMan

(151,269 posts)
28. Top Secret is serious.
Sat Jun 8, 2013, 04:29 PM
Jun 2013

NOFORN is serious. It means no dissemination to foreign (non-US) nationals.

The second document is marked Unclassified. That leads me to think this all may not so serious, since the second document actually provides more information than the first. These are briefing documents for people outside of the NSA, like Intelligence Committee members.

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
24. Fortunately, the NSA can of worms is, apparently, being opened from the inside.
Sat Jun 8, 2013, 04:21 PM
Jun 2013

To borrow a line from "Mississippi Burning".

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
29. Hopefully, this esposure of government abuse won't go away.
Sat Jun 8, 2013, 04:30 PM
Jun 2013

Even some Democratic politicians are speaking out.

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
31. Hopefully, more will be revealed.
Sat Jun 8, 2013, 04:35 PM
Jun 2013

I think it naive beyond words to think that the NSA instituted a Top Secret program to mine harmless data as some here claim.

MineralMan

(151,269 posts)
32. Their not looking for harmless data.
Sat Jun 8, 2013, 04:37 PM
Jun 2013

They don't care about harmless data. They're looking for potential harmful data. The rest is discarded. Needles in haystacks.

longship

(40,416 posts)
18. This is a good thread.
Sat Jun 8, 2013, 04:01 PM
Jun 2013

People being respectful and polite.

Happy to R&

I am with MM, here. Greenwald is what he is.

But, I hope that the leaker covers their tracks well, not that I think that would do much good.

I will stay tuned.

MineralMan

(151,269 posts)
25. Interesting that the first link shows a document
Sat Jun 8, 2013, 04:24 PM
Jun 2013

classified Top Secret Noforn, while the second, which has much more information, is Unclassified. Weirdness.

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