Bin Laden won.

[Faryn Balyncd]

[onehandle]

1. ...a deep sea dirt nap. nt

[In_The_Wind]

2. yep

[Faryn Balyncd]

14. Is fear less self destructive if its object is inanimate?

[el_bryanto]

3. What could you possibly mean by that? What was Bin Ladin's goals?

The destruction of the West? The acceptance of a new Islamic Caliphate?

Bryant

[Egalitarian Thug]

10. Google is your resource. He was pretty straightforward. n/t

[el_bryanto]

15. He wanted to create a fascist America? That was his goal? nt

[Angelonthesidelines]

34. I cannot address his goals

But he did predict that America would react to terror attacks exactly the way we did.

We went from the land of the free, home of the brave to the land of the afraid, home of the safe.

[SomethingFishy]

39. No.. Al Quaeda had 2 goals with 9/11

The first was to get American troops out of Saudi Arabia and Bush took care of that right away.. Capitulating to terrorists while he was on TV claiming they hate us for our freedom.

The second was to bankrupt us morally and financially. He's come a long way on that one and it's still happening even though he's dead.

[GeorgeGist]

42. Mass paranoia.

[graham4anything]

4. from 2001-8 he did. In Jan. 2009 he lost big time.

Because Bush left the hole in the ground. and bankrupted the nation stopping commerce dry for a 7 years.

He could have rebuilt it brick by brick in 2004 or 2005, but left the hole in the ground

Now there is a building and it is just as grand.

Bin Laden lost when the knock came to the door.

[lunatica]

5. What did he win?

He's dead.

[leveymg]

6. . . . when Bush broke the Republic, and nobody has tried to fix it

except a few isolated whistleblowers and civil libertatians.

[MrSlayer]

7. bin Laden had nothing to do with it.

The American fascists won. Let's not lose sight of who benefitted from all of this horseshit.

[Faryn Balyncd]

8. true

[WinkyDink]

9. Exactly.

L/MIHOP.

[tk2kewl]

12. the mulit-national fascists won

including bin ladens benefactors

[Egalitarian Thug]

17. Global fascists/authoritarians and who do you think the bin Ladens are? n/t

[Javaman]

30. bin laden was just their useful tool. nt

[gtar100]

33. That is the best response to this post

(except that the fascists have not won yet because we have not given up).

[Egalitarian Thug]

11. Years ago, under the idiot son. n/t

[JW2020]

13. Posting that probably put you on a list.

[emulatorloo]

18. Long suspected Skinner and EarlG are NSA. DU is a honey trap operation to collect data

keyboard commandos.

[JW2020]

20. You don't think Secret Service and the FBI monitor this board?

A political activist board? My, I wish I had such bliss.

[emulatorloo]

24. Suspected that the first day I joined, and I just don't give a shit.

I assumed everything I say and do on the internet is monitored. Bush's Agent Mike and all that. My attitude is Fuck em.


OTOH My intuition is that the corporate data-mining firms have far more detailed info on me than the NSA does. So fuck them even more. Still not gonna give up my computer or posting what I think.

[Sheepshank]

28. Personally I think they are more interested in Freeperville

that where the gun toting, POTUS and Dem eliminators are egging each other on. haa haa

[Angelonthesidelines]

41. There is no list

So much as everything is on the list. Why troll for possible crimes when you can strain the ocean?

Prism just takes everything and seeks connections that form a matrix pattern to identify possible candidates for action.

The only list of real consequence is dreaded no-fly list, but I think posting messages on puny forums hardly qualifies us for that.

[dr.strangelove]

16. The National E-mail Lotto?

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TO: Laden, Osama Bin
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You are to receive a cash prize of 2,500,000.00.(TWO MILLION, FIVE HUNDRED THOUSAND EUROS ONLY).

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[emulatorloo]

19. So that herbal viagra stuff really works?

[11 Bravo]

21. Yup, in the Race To Become Fish Food he scored a clear victory.

[Zoeisright]

22. Oh bullshit.

God, this pantry-wringing hysteria is just laughable.

[Logical]

36. Clueless denial is also! n-t

[sinkingfeeling]

23. I think some of us said he would if the PA were passed.

[Laelth]

25. If the President decides to come out against the NSA's data-collection ...

... then this is the argument I hope he uses. In order to truly defeat terrorism, Bin Laden, and extremists, we must restore and defend that which makes us great and free ... our Constitution.

That's a terrific argument, I think.

-Laelth

[marions ghost]

26. "The Demon is Dead; So Are Many of Our Rights"

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/opinion/forum/2011-05-02-Reflect-on-lost-civil-liberties_n.htm

Excellent article by Jonathan Turley
--legal scholar, writer, commentator, and legal analyst in broadcast and print journalism.
(More at link)

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"The death of Osama bin Laden has left the United States with a type of morning-after effect. For 10 years, an ever-expanding war on terror has been defined by one central dark figure: Osama bin Laden. It is perhaps not surprising that in a celebrity-driven society, even our wars seemed personality driven. For many, Iraq was about Saddam Hussein. Afghanistan was about Osama bin Laden. With both of these defining figures gone, however, it is time to take account of what has been lost, and what has been gained.

For civil libertarians, the legacy of bin Laden is most troubling because it shows how the greatest injuries from terror are often self-inflicted. Bin Laden's twisted notion of success was not the bringing down of two buildings in New York or the partial destruction of the Pentagon. It was how the response to those attacks by the United States resulted in our abandonment of core principles and values in the "war on terror." Many of the most lasting impacts of this ill-defined war were felt domestically, not internationally.

(snip)
If bin Laden wanted to change America, he succeeded. Bush officials were quick to claim that our laws and even our Constitution made us vulnerable to attack — even though later investigations showed that the attacks could have been prevented under existing laws. Despite the negligence of agencies such as the FBI and CIA in allowing the attacks, those same agencies were given unprecedented power and budgets in the aftermath of 9/11.

(snip)
The death of bin Laden is not the marker of an end of a period but a reminder that there is no end to this period. For those who have long wanted expansion of presidential powers and the limitation of constitutional rights, bin Laden gave them an irresistible opportunity to reshape this country — and the expectations of our citizens. We now accept thousands of security cameras in public places, intrusive physical searches and expanding police powers as the new reality of American life. The privacy that once defined this nation is now viewed as a quaint, if not naive, concept. Police power works like the release of gas in a closed space: expand the space and the gas fills it. It is rare in history to see ground lost in civil liberties be regained through concessions of power by the government. Our terrorism laws have transcended bin Laden and even 9/11. They have become the status quo. That is the greatest tragedy of bin Laden's legacy — not what he did to us, but what we have done to ourselves.

Jonathan Turley, the Shapiro Professor of Public Interest Law at George Washington University
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[SomeGuyInEagan]

31. +1. And, the race to nearly bankrupt the Republic in endless war.

It's the long game - the horizon isn't a year or even a decade away but rather several generations.

[Sheepshank]

27. Drama much? n/t

[Carnage251]

29. Nope.

[ForeignandDomestic]

32. Tssk...

The only entity in history, going all the way back to the Roman fires that has ever benefited from terrorism is Government or Fascist elements in Government.

Wake up and smell the History!

[Logical]

35. It amazes me so many people do not realize this! Every time....

I am undressing at a TSA checkpoint I look around and laugh and realize they got what they wanted!

[snappyturtle]

40. +1 So true. nt

[Spitfire of ATJ]

37. Bush gave him everything he demanded.

[JoePhilly]

38. On the day we invaded Iraq, yes he did.