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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forumswill snowden be like ellsberg
and be willing to face the music and defend himself in court?
MrScorpio
(73,631 posts)I want to keep my keyboard functioning.
I don't know what will happen to Snowden exactly, but I swear to you that becoming an Ellsberg or anyone like an Ellsburg will be far from it.
hollysmom
(5,946 posts)Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)and that's why he's in hiding. But he really didn't explain what he meant.
I think he knows he may have broken laws when he leaked classified information, so this isn't really about him not getting a "fair" trial. He just doesn't want to face the Justice System in the US because conviction is likely.
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)nt
onehandle
(51,122 posts)kenny blankenship
(15,689 posts)Nevertheless he found it advisable to go into hiding very shortly after handing over the files known as the Pentagon Papers, where he stayed until about the same day that the Federal court case started against the NY TImes for printing excerpts of his leaks. He surrendered to authorities.
And the ONLY reason that you know Ellsberg as a public speaker on the subject of whistleblowing is because the Nixon White House used its national security apparatus to try to dig up psychological profile information on Ellsberg -to smear him as unstable or otherwise unbelievable. Nixon's Plumbers burgled the files of Ellsberg's psychiatrist's office. Smearing a whistleblower - what assholes, right? The prosecution dropped its case against Daniel Ellsberg because of the bad PR, not because any evidence on Ellsberg was actually tainted by the illegal search. Had the government not been embarassed by its "data collections" activities, Daniel Ellsberg would no doubt still be rotting in prison today. To embarrass a government, the government and the people of the time must still have a sense of shame about untrammeled use of police and surveillance powers. Fortunately for Ellsberg, we still did back then.
And I have no doubt also that some people around here would be defending the government's data collection against Ellsberg, and calling for him to be Bradley Manning's cellmate for life, if everything about his case were not 40 years in the past but happening right now.
Ellsberg himself has nothing but praise for Snowden. Personally I don't give a shit about Snowden.
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)and he didn't run away to a totalitarian country, unlike someone.
eissa
(4,238 posts)Ellsberg (like Manning) revealed abuses committed during war time. In Ellsberg's case, his publishing of the Pentagon Papers helped bring an end to a pointless war, thus saving thousands of lives. Snowden is a libertarian who doesn't want the government involved in anything, including national security. He didn't reveal anything illegal, or even anything we didn't already know. The government tracks communications and looks for patterns of possible nefarious conduct that could threaten security. It's not eavesdropping on your fascinating conversation with Aunt Edith about last night's episode of the Real Housewives.
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)under the Espionage Act. Why is Snowden not as brave?