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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsHow Rep. Jerold Nadler broke the "NSA DOES listen to your calls" story....
So, members of congress were finally briefed IN SECRET about the true scope of NSA spying. Many came out shocked, but knew they couldn't talk because of security oaths.
Enter Nadler
Rep. Nadler's disclosure that NSA analysts can listen to calls without court orders came during a House Judiciary hearing on Thursday that included FBI director Robert Mueller as a witness.
Mueller initially sought to downplay concerns about NSA surveillance by claiming that, to listen to a phone call, the government would need to seek "a special, a particularized order from the FISA court directed at that particular phone of that particular individual."
Is information about that procedure "classified in any way?" Nadler asked.
"I don't think so," Mueller replied.
"Then I can say the following," Nadler said. "We heard precisely the opposite at the briefing the other day. We heard precisely that you could get the specific information from that telephone simply based on an analyst deciding that...In other words, what you just said is incorrect. So there's a conflict."
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http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-57589495-38/nsa-admits-listening-to-u.s-phone-calls-without-warrants/
Catherina
(35,568 posts)Junkdrawer
(27,993 posts)and become MUCH harder to ignore.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)I had hopes this administration would undo some of the Bush excesses....instead they doubled down on them. I'm very disappointed.
kentuck
(112,301 posts)He hooked the FBI Director on his own petard...
Smarmie Doofus
(14,498 posts)And the UWS of Manhattan keeps sending him to congress for a reason.
pacalo
(24,726 posts)Does watching for "what-if terrorism" trump helping to improve the quality of life for our most vulnerable & disenfranchized U.S. citizens?
It doesn't make sense. The cost of this expansive program should be brought up every time the deficit is used as the Hoover congress's reason to turn its back on citizens who are struggling to get by.
NSA's annual budget is classified but is estimated to be around $10 billion.
jakeXT
(10,575 posts)http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/politics/56304956-90/utah-data-nsa-mida.html.csp
pacalo
(24,726 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)It is about the costs of the social engineering project in the US and the effects of Climate change...they know revolts are possible. We are the terrorists. So it is the terrorist on the bed.
tavalon
(27,985 posts)you would have just won it.
They do fear us, they actually fear us! And here I thought they didn't give a fuck.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)set in the far future. I started this and even released it as teen fiction, but it is really about the US... right now, given all the weeks revelations, working on the background for the Ministry of Intelligence. MI for short. MI-3 is SIGNALS INTELLIGENCE, you could say NSA. Well, a lot of the background I wrote about it in 2003 seems I was writing prophecy.
No, I am not George Orwell or Aldous Huxley, but it is disconcerting when you see that you write in fiction well... take form in front of you.
One piece I am modifying in the background.... thanks to the folks here, (they know who they are) is how fast the US failed as a democracy. I almost expect the House and the Senate to be dissolved, like in the fiction, when they become more of a bother than an advantage.
midnight
(26,624 posts)Junkdrawer
(27,993 posts)This is a breaking story. Doubt we've heard it all yet.
midnight
(26,624 posts)Tx4obama
(36,974 posts)... exchange where Nadler asks him about this. Nadler said that it was his understanding that analysts can listen in. Mueller claims that is not his understanding of the NSA program. Nadler may be mistaken. Here's video of the testimony Thursday from C-span. The exchange begins 45 - 46 minutes into the testimony:
http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/313323-1
Text above is from Roselma: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023024565#post92
Junkdrawer
(27,993 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)record of honesty, rare these days among politicians and it's incredible that anyone here would try to push Mueller over a Democrat like Nadler.
If they are going to have spokespersons for the Surveillance State, they better someone other Mueller, or Clapper, or any of the other Right Wingers who are defending this monstrosity of a program in this no-longer Democracy thanks to them and their bosses in the Bush administration
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)And it is bipartisan.
ReRe
(10,619 posts)... "INTELLIGENCE." : The twisting and convolution of the ever confusing English language. Mueller didn't even know what happened.
ucrdem
(15,700 posts)DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)But you already knew that. You have now arrived at the indefensible point of being in complete agreement with one of the most vile human beings extant. When you find that you're taking Dick Cheney's side, it's long past time to start being honest with yourself and evaluate how you got to this shameful place.
xchrom
(108,903 posts)Junkdrawer
(27,993 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)WillyT
(72,631 posts)struggle4progress
(119,472 posts)From the CNET article: "... Rep. Nadler's disclosure that NSA analysts can listen to calls without court orders ..."
The actual exchange:
~snip~
Nadler: ... We heard precisely the opposite at the briefing the other day. We heard precisely that you could get the specific information from that telephone simply based on an analyst deciding that and you didnt need a new warrant. Other-words is what you just said is incorrect. So theres a conflict.
Mueller: Im not sure its the answer to the same question. Im sorry, I didnt mean to interrupt.
Nadler: Well I asked the question both times and I think its the same question, so maybe you better go back and check, because someone was incorrect.
Mueller: I will do that. That is my understanding of the process.
Nadler: OK, I dont question your understanding. It was always my understanding. And I was rather startled the other day and I wanted to take this opportunity to
Mueller: Id be happy to clarify it.
Nadler: Thank you.
~snip~