Cnet: NSA admits listening to US phone calls without warrants

[TakeALeftTurn]

The National Security Agency has acknowledged in a new classified briefing that it does not need court authorization to listen to domestic phone calls.

Rep. Jerrold Nadler, a New York Democrat, disclosed this week that during a secret briefing to members of Congress, he was told that the contents of a phone call could be accessed "simply based on an analyst deciding that."

If the NSA wants "to listen to the phone," an analyst's decision is sufficient, without any other legal authorization required, Nadler said he learned. "I was rather startled," said Nadler, an attorney and congressman who serves on the House Judiciary committee.

Read more at:-
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-57589495-38/nsa-admits-listening-to-u.s-phone-calls-without-warrants/

[Tx4obama]

1. No, The NSA did not admit that. Nadler says he heard that but he is most likely mistaken.

The headline of the article is misleading.

And no one except Nadler is saying what he's saying - no other source.

Here's a link to a DU poll...

POLL: How long will it be before Jerrod Nadler comes out and says he misunderstood what he heard?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023025354

[RobertEarl]

2. NSA says it is a secret

And they didn't tell you so how would you know?

You are all over the board saying that the NSA doesn't secretly tap any phone they want.

Do you know they can tap any phone they want? Of course you do.

So why are you so all up about this? What is your agenda?

[Tx4obama]

3. What is the agenda of the folks that believe Nadler with no proof at all?

Where's the evidence that he did not interpret something he heard wrong?

Were you in the room during the briefing?

Why are folks will to jump so fast to believe Nadler?

Folks do make mistakes and I think Nadler has made one.

[RobertEarl]

5. What is your agenda?

I think you have made many mistakes all through this NSA thing.

Many mistakes. So you saying someone else is like you, is not to be believed.

What is your agenda, besides making mistakes?

[morningfog]

11. Flailing propaganda is their agenda. They are

flailing and failing.

[RobertEarl]

12. It is disgusting

I'm sick of seeing them doing whatever it is they are doing.

You ask them an easy question and they start dancing.

I can only imagine that they know how bad this is, yet they can't accept the truth so they have to do what they are doing - being deceptive and offering propaganda. Or, they have a covert agenda.

As for me, I just want freedom to not be spied on 24/7.

[HooptieWagon]

27. Flailing or failing?

nevermind...both. Some of the lamest spin I've ever read.

[nadinbrzezinski]

13. We all chose sides at this point

Hers is not on the side of the constitution.

[RobertEarl]

16. How can she get away with it?

She has taken to spamming the board.

Utter desperation.

Too bad we can't make her go sit in a corner with a dunce cap on, eh?

[nadinbrzezinski]

17. Have not yet gone there

But opened a section in the iggy list for party aparatchticks.

It is embarrassing but the 2003 aol boards and bushies come to mind.

[Bluenorthwest]

7. But upon what evidence would anyone assume YOU know better than him?

A sort of Bush style gut feeling? You are calling the man a liar based on nothing. Bearing false witness. All the value of a fart in an elevator.

[morningfog]

10. You are looking desperate in your apologia. Lol!

[pscot]

4. He says he heard that, you say he's wrong?

Who's he supposed to believe, you, or his lyin' ears?

[TakeALeftTurn]

6. IF (big if) Nadler retracts - I will delete the post

(As long as no other member of Congress has come out and basically said the same thing.)

As it is the statement is newsworthy - it contradicts what the NSA has said previously (not for the first time - Keith Alexander blatantly lied to Hank Johnson under oath recently, Clapper was also caught in a massive blatant lie under oath when he said that the NSA was not collecting data on millions of Americans).

[Tx4obama]

18. My guess is that we'll probably hear something from him tomorrow. See HuffPo article below

CNET Story Alleging NSA Can Listen To U.S. Phone Calls Without Warrant Faces Skepticism

-snip-

That bold assertion lit up social media, but also drew skepticism, with many arguing that it seemed to be based on a misunderstanding.

The core of the CNET article focused on an exchange between Rep. Jerrold Nadler (D-N.Y.) and FBI Director Robert Mueller at a hearing on Thursday. (Watch above.) During questioning, Nadler claimed that in a separate, closed-door briefing, he had been told that NSA analysts could listen to the contents of a phone call at analysts' discretion.

Given the apparent illegality of listening to Americans' phone calls without warrants, some questioned whether Nadler understood the briefing he cited. As of late Saturday night, several publications were not able to reach the congressman for comment.

Mother Jones's Kevin Drum writes that "information from that telephone" could mean one of many things, and that Nadler may have been "confusing the ability of an analyst to get subscriber information for a phone number with the ability to listen to the call itself." Normative's Julian Sanchez wrote that Nadler may have been referring to a more limited set of circumstances than the CNET article implied.

Full article with hyperlinks here: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/15/nsa-phone-calls-warrant_n_3448299.html

[ReRe]

30. I see that was posted at around 10:34 tonight 6-15-13...

... but I couldn't find the writer's name anywhere and the date at the top of the page was June 16th. What I heard from that less than 2-minute exchange is that Mueller is not on the same page as the other Gov officials. They are so shook up, they aren't even on the same page!

[TakeALeftTurn]

25. OK I will do that

I'm fairly new here

[Hydra]

28. You'll do fine here

You're posting what's out there, and it's our job to evaluate it ourselves.

If it winds up being not accurate, then we'll delve deeper and see why it wasn't. This isn't a matter of being right or wrong, it's a part of the process in gathering information.

Welcome to DU!

[RobertEarl]

32. My bad

I had read your post as being that of T4O's.

Your'e cool. My apologies to you.

[morningfog]

9. Lol! Will you say here and now that if/when

Nadler is corroborated that warrantless access of content is wrong? Say it now before the posts move again?

[usGovOwesUs3Trillion]

14. Another source is on record saying the same thing

One who actually worked in the system, Snowden.

Time for an investigation, and for a SCOTUS decision, to put an END to spying on ALL Americans (not to mention the rest of the world).

[nadinbrzezinski]

15. A third, Thomas Frank

A fourth, Bimmey,

A fifth, amazing I know, Sensenbrenner.

A sixth, Clarke.

This is falling apart...they are.

[usGovOwesUs3Trillion]

20. these people are like the proverbial ostrich

and they will do everything they can to keep as many others in the dark, too.

thanks for sharing nadinbrzezinski

[nadinbrzezinski]

21. For a history

http://www.eastcountymagazine.org/node/13410

Yeah the boss called it an editorial.

It is more a history of all this

[usGovOwesUs3Trillion]

24. thanks for the link

I will check it out

[Hydra]

29. Good one Nadin

See you in the gulag

[Dragonfli]

33. Very well done, Thank You.

[Catherina]

8. Rec. Thank you Congressman Nadler n/t

[Progressive dog]

22. I wouldn't pile on too hard, no major station is reporting this

and video exists. Notice that CNET was unable to contact Rep. Jerrold Adler.
The 11 o'clock news on NY NBC 4 where Jerrold Nadler represents the 10th district did not mention the CNET watching Cspan scoop. They did cover the NSA statement, you know the 300 phone numbers, number of attacks prevented statement.
It might be interesting to look up the previous hatchet job of the CNET reporter on Al Gore, something about Gore claiming to have invented the internet. Apparently the reporter was also a supporter of Ron Paul. Isn't that a surprise?

[HooptieWagon]

26. CNet has boxes in the garage, also!

and they date acrobats!

ROFLMAO at your spin and lame attempt to discredit the reporter.

[Progressive dog]

35. Look at the news this morning

the few outlets that echoed CNET are backing away. They don't want to be discredited along with CNET.

When a reporter rushes to publish without checking facts, he has discredited himself.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

23. Well, we should trust the NSA, those well known guardians of privacy and civil liberties.

[ReRe]

31. Thank you for your OP, TALT

K&R

I think your OP is great. I read it a day or so ago (things are happening so fast, and then we're speed-reading on top of it.) The first time I read it, I didn't read what was under the top photo with Chief snoop Keith Alexander scaling the stairs, where he says that they take our civil liberties and privacy to their hearts every day. (I have my java turned off, but if I had it on, I would use the puke button.)
Welcome to DU and you just keep on truckin'.

[Catherina]

34. So pleased to welcome you to DU. Thanks for all your great contributions

[TakeALeftTurn]

36. TY for yours

I have been reading your recent articles and comments