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WillyT

(72,631 posts)
Tue Jun 18, 2013, 07:22 PM Jun 2013

:( :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: 'Journalist Michael Hastings Dies In Car Crash' - RawStory

Journalist Michael Hastings dies in car crash
By Eric W. Dolan - RawStory
Tuesday, June 18, 2013 19:03 EDT



<snip>

The journalist and author Michael Hastings died at the age of 33 on Tuesday morning. According to his employer BuzzFeed, Hastings was killed in a car crash in Los Angeles..

“We are shocked and devastated by the news that Michael Hastings is gone,” Ben Smith, BuzzFeed Editor-in-Chief, said in a statement. “Michael was a great, fearless journalist with an incredible instinct for the story, and a gift for finding ways to make his readers care about anything he covered from wars to politicians. He wrote stories that would otherwise have gone unwritten, and without him there are great stories that will go untold. Michael was also a wonderful, generous colleague and a joy to work with. Our thoughts are with Elise and and the rest of his family and we are going to miss him.”

Hastings gained national attention in 2010 after exposing inflammatory comments made by Gen. Stanley McChrystal about President Barack Obama and the civilian leadership of the military.

<snip>

Link: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/06/18/journalist-michael-hastings-dies-in-car-crash/




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:( :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: 'Journalist Michael Hastings Dies In Car Crash' - RawStory (Original Post) WillyT Jun 2013 OP
I feel badly reccing such a sad thread, but I want it to get more visibility. NT MADem Jun 2013 #1
I'll throw one in with you, MADem. Hassin Bin Sober Jun 2013 #7
So young. So much more to do. leveymg Jun 2013 #2
So true. MsPithy Jun 2013 #23
The magnitude of this loss is really starting to sink in. reformist2 Jun 2013 #71
wow, that sucks JI7 Jun 2013 #3
A terrible and tragic loss BeyondGeography Jun 2013 #4
Very sad news. deurbano Jun 2013 #5
Are we sure it was an accident? malaise Jun 2013 #6
No. blkmusclmachine Jun 2013 #16
They murder with impunity. -nt- b.durruti Jun 2013 #29
+1 pam4water Jun 2013 #52
yup glinda Jun 2013 #56
What's he been working on? Eddie Haskell Jun 2013 #59
He's the man who brought down Stanley Allen McChrystal malaise Jun 2013 #82
Yes, but what is he working on now? Eddie Haskell Jun 2013 #92
I read somewhere that he was investigating the CIA. FourScore Jun 2013 #131
I was looking in to that. napoleon_in_rags Jun 2013 #132
Bad timing always seems to kill the wrong people. Eddie Haskell Jun 2013 #147
Yep. Gandolfini? napoleon_in_rags Jun 2013 #148
No! So very sad for his family. I wonder if he had children? sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #73
Watch this - Rachel broke down at the end malaise Jun 2013 #86
Thank you, I did not know all that about him. Didn't know about the books he wrote. I will sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #111
My first thought is that it wasn't an accident siligut Jun 2013 #85
Cars don't "jackknife" that is something Semi-trucks and trailer do. I reply to article not your pos Vincardog Jun 2013 #98
Did you call my post a POS? siligut Jun 2013 #99
Yeah, that's an incorrect use of the term. The reporter should have written "veered off the road." reformist2 Jun 2013 #104
+1 & It wouldn't be the first time. nt patrice Jun 2013 #101
Tragic. one_voice Jun 2013 #8
Scoped out multiple sources, this is as close as I could get to details of the accident Cooley Hurd Jun 2013 #9
So sorry to hear this... jimlup Jun 2013 #12
I hope it's thoroughly investigated. Cooley Hurd Jun 2013 #20
Including whether his car was tampered with. Divernan Jun 2013 #65
sigh questionseverything Jun 2013 #67
Tragic. proverbialwisdom Jun 2013 #74
i use to drive that way to work a few years ago , not an area i would drive very fast in JI7 Jun 2013 #19
or being followed.............. HubertHeaver Jun 2013 #40
That was my thought. Run off the road. glinda Jun 2013 #58
LATimes says this is the scene: Hissyspit Jun 2013 #24
Man... I Didn't Know He Lost His Fiance In Iraq In 2007... WillyT Jun 2013 #36
She worked for Air America. Hissyspit Jun 2013 #38
How awful and sad LeftInTX Jun 2013 #37
Front of the car hits a tree and it bursts into flames malaise Jun 2013 #103
Holy Crap! Ganja Ninja Jun 2013 #83
Looking at this pic: Cooley Hurd Jun 2013 #105
Mercedes? Suicide by auto? FarCenter Jun 2013 #112
Looks like a late model Mercedes to me. ..nt TeeYiYi Jun 2013 #114
Some news outlets have reported bystanders said it looked like a Mercedes c250. octoberlib Jun 2013 #125
It was a late model Mercedes mwdem Jun 2013 #110
If it's a bad enough accident don't most cars catch on fire? KoKo Jun 2013 #139
I totally agree. mwdem Jun 2013 #142
That would be important...if we can rely... KoKo Jun 2013 #144
Simply awful news. Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #10
The Young Turks just covered it. n/t RebelOne Jun 2013 #11
I think Cenk was closer to tears on his Current television show announcement yesterday... cascadiance Jun 2013 #102
Sucko. nt onehandle Jun 2013 #13
Here's a link to The Runaway General octoberlib Jun 2013 #14
Hastings/Snowden, Greenwald connection ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2013 #15
What did he know? blkmusclmachine Jun 2013 #17
oh no. cali Jun 2013 #18
Anyone know what kind of a car crash? reformist2 Jun 2013 #21
Single vehicle crossed a median, impacted a tree, driver burned beyond recognition. cherokeeprogressive Jun 2013 #28
yes, it's very fishy NoMoreWarNow Jun 2013 #50
Slipped a drug at an interview????? glinda Jun 2013 #60
yes it is bluemarkers Jun 2013 #89
His hallmark as reporter: Refusal to cozy up to power (including Obama/Clinton) Divernan Jun 2013 #64
This is the strangest, most repellant tribute I've ever read. proverbialwisdom Jun 2013 #122
The engine flew 120 feet forward from the car? Quixote1818 Jun 2013 #113
If he was speeding, it could. zappaman Jun 2013 #120
Perhaps he suffered a medical problem and that caused him to veer off the road... npk Jun 2013 #115
This is terrible news! blackspade Jun 2013 #22
Seems a very odd place to travel that fast. Ford_Prefect Jun 2013 #25
Greg Mitchell: "well, relatively few know about his first book, about his courtship and life with a Hissyspit Jun 2013 #26
yes, there is something very wrong here NoMoreWarNow Jun 2013 #51
"...friends worried..he was agitated"..from KTLA Link from Greg Mitchell's Piece KoKo Jun 2013 #93
the big question is what was the last story he was working on? NoMoreWarNow Jun 2013 #97
We may never know...since he didn't have a chance to write it or finish it... KoKo Jun 2013 #138
"It takes quite a bit of force to rip a car open the way it is shown" jberryhill Jun 2013 #53
Cars rarely burn so thoroughly just after a wreck. To cause enough damage to engulf the car rapidly Ford_Prefect Jun 2013 #68
On May 18 (one month ago), I sent my 14-year-old son this link: deurbano Jun 2013 #27
The photo is terribly disturbing. SleeplessinSoCal Jun 2013 #30
I just read the eye witness's description of the crash: sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #108
It would depend on how fast he is going. zappaman Jun 2013 #116
I wonder why he was going so fast? Does anyone know where he was coming from? sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #123
That street is known for speeding. zappaman Jun 2013 #126
Thanks for the info. But is HE known for speeding? Does he have any speed related tickets on his sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #128
That is for the investigation to answer. zappaman Jun 2013 #129
This is absolutely hideous news radiclib Jun 2013 #31
I agree. I also feel that there are way too many enemies out there of real journalism. SleeplessinSoCal Jun 2013 #34
What a huge loss for all who value real journalism. mountain grammy Jun 2013 #32
RIP Unknown Beatle Jun 2013 #33
He has that beautiful wife, Elise Jordan... kentuck Jun 2013 #35
Here's a bit more from another link: KoKo Jun 2013 #87
k/r marmar Jun 2013 #39
Removed for possible incorrect information. n/t ohheckyeah Jun 2013 #41
I was listening and I didn't hear that. senseandsensibility Jun 2013 #43
Yes, that's what a friend who was watching Chris Hayes told me. ohheckyeah Jun 2013 #45
So young, so talented, such a tragedy.... senseandsensibility Jun 2013 #42
R.I.P Michael Parable Arable Jun 2013 #44
So sad. Rolling Stone obituary by Tim Dickinson is wonderful. Overseas Jun 2013 #46
That Was Outstanding... Thank You For Sharng... WillyT Jun 2013 #48
I remember that interview he did with Julian Assange... KoKo Jun 2013 #88
It is excellent. Gives a broad understanding of him. Overseas Jun 2013 #145
Sadly, Michael is the cover story in the summer issue of Vermont Life cali Jun 2013 #47
Thank You For That !!! WillyT Jun 2013 #62
+1000. Great interview. Thanks for the link! reformist2 Jun 2013 #63
That is so sad...and the article title is chilling. KoKo Jun 2013 #124
Such a horrible loss, one we could hardly afford in his generation NotThisTime Jun 2013 #49
RIP, Dear Michael ReRe Jun 2013 #54
So sad... what a loss liberalla Jun 2013 #55
Hmmm.... I just came in the door from seeing Dirty Wars. Smarmie Doofus Jun 2013 #57
"What we do know is that the government lied about who was responsible for the drone." midnight Jun 2013 #61
War Correspondent Michael Hastings Killed In Car Accident FarCenter Jun 2013 #66
4.) When writing for a mass audience, put a fact in every sentence. MADem Jun 2013 #72
:( What awful news. RIP Michael n/t Catherina Jun 2013 #69
This Does Seem Fishy, I Hope It Really Is Looked At colsohlibgal Jun 2013 #70
This message was self-deleted by its author octoberlib Jun 2013 #75
I'd ask the video of a mans death be removed. Agschmid Jun 2013 #76
I'll remove it. nt octoberlib Jun 2013 #77
Thank you. n/t Agschmid Jun 2013 #78
Who would have been there to do a video? KoKo Jun 2013 #90
It's a residential street zappaman Jun 2013 #100
Thanks...good to have location from someone who lives there and familiar. KoKo Jun 2013 #135
Yeah zappaman Jun 2013 #136
How convenient a real journalist who is exposing the lies and making powerful YeahSureRight Jun 2013 #79
And the conspiracy theories start.... OKNancy Jun 2013 #80
Maybe his wife can explain why he was out and about at 4 am on a Tuesday? reformist2 Jun 2013 #84
A reporter out late? WilliamPitt Jun 2013 #91
Like Michael Hastings, I'm just asking the question. It needs to be asked. reformist2 Jun 2013 #95
he was a reporter , he isn't on some 9-5 ,5 days a week schedule JI7 Jun 2013 #127
KTLA report said friends said he was agitated and worried.. KoKo Jun 2013 #94
This is so horrible and so sad. One of the few arthritisR_US Jun 2013 #81
First thoughts were 'it sounds like the kind of guy they'd want to kill, but he probably died in toby jo Jun 2013 #96
Aw, no. Zorra Jun 2013 #106
On tv last night they showed that the entire engine had somehow been thrown from the car whatchamacallit Jun 2013 #107
Certainly a suspicious accident. HooptieWagon Jun 2013 #109
Not if you are familiar with the road. zappaman Jun 2013 #117
Thx for the info, I'm not familiar with the area. HooptieWagon Jun 2013 #118
Not really. zappaman Jun 2013 #119
OK,tnx for the info. nt HooptieWagon Jun 2013 #121
That's interesting, and it's possible. I drive on streets like that and don't speed, as do lots of sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #130
@wikileaks: Michael Hastings contacted WikiLeaks lawyer Jennifer Robinson just a few hours before he Hissyspit Jun 2013 #133
Well..his friends said he was agitated...probably over NSA stuff and the blow back... KoKo Jun 2013 #141
Cenk just now had a good rant on the press going after Michael and put the effort in to defend him.. cascadiance Jun 2013 #134
Video of the crash aftermath -- HOLY SHIT dorkzilla Jun 2013 #137
Fascinating video. Cleita Jun 2013 #140
By the water gushing up in the median, it looks like he took out a hydrant. FarCenter Jun 2013 #143
I just watched the video. Sorry, no way. Not on that street in a residential Catherina Jun 2013 #146

malaise

(296,105 posts)
82. He's the man who brought down Stanley Allen McChrystal
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 07:22 AM
Jun 2013

for his comments on the President

napoleon_in_rags

(3,992 posts)
132. I was looking in to that.
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 04:26 PM
Jun 2013

All I saw last night was an explosive critique of the administration for what he called "militarism", a book I think was non-controversial on the 2012 election. What interested me more were allegations of the military using psychological operations on congress from 2011. The guy built his career on issues of military vs. civilian power, which is one of the underlying currents of the Snowden affair. If there was anything big he was researching, it would probably be in that area, though I don't know of anything specific. What I do know is we're in the era of bad timing. Bad timing for Snowden's leak with Obama meeting with China, bad timing for this, with people refocused on the journalists killed by military Bradley Manning leaked about, spying on journalists, people saying Greenwald should be arrested, and now this. Bad timing for an accident.

napoleon_in_rags

(3,992 posts)
148. Yep. Gandolfini?
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 04:13 PM
Jun 2013

Timing applies again, because allegedly his death was reported as a hoax earlier in the week:

http://inagist.com/all/347506936255750146/

(Though I am having a hard time confirming that.) But yeah, by most accounts the guy was just a really focused actor, really kind person.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
73. No! So very sad for his family. I wonder if he had children?
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 01:45 AM
Jun 2013

RIP to a great journalist.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
111. Thank you, I did not know all that about him. Didn't know about the books he wrote. I will
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 02:07 PM
Jun 2013

read them now. Rachel saying to him, that if he was going to write the kind of reporting he did, 'you know they are going to throw everything at you' so you 'have to cross every t, dot every i'.



He will be missed. His care blew into pieces according to the eye witness. His body 'burned beyond recognition'.

siligut

(12,272 posts)
85. My first thought is that it wasn't an accident
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 08:37 AM
Jun 2013

Early Tuesday morning, one 'witness', at least that is what the article indicates. Car suddenly jackknifed, hit a tree and burst into flames. Seriously, other than in movies and TV, I have never seen a vehicle burst into flames.

Vincardog

(20,234 posts)
98. Cars don't "jackknife" that is something Semi-trucks and trailer do. I reply to article not your pos
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 11:49 AM
Jun 2013

siligut

(12,272 posts)
99. Did you call my post a POS?
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 11:55 AM
Jun 2013

I thought the same thing; how does a car jackknife? From the article linked in the OP:

A person who witnessed the crash early Tuesday morning said he saw Hastings speeding down the road in his car when it suddenly jackknifed, slammed into a tree, and burst into flames.


reformist2

(9,841 posts)
104. Yeah, that's an incorrect use of the term. The reporter should have written "veered off the road."
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 12:30 PM
Jun 2013

Tractor-trailers "jackknife" when the cab turns sharply relative to the trailer and gets locked in place that way.
 

Cooley Hurd

(26,877 posts)
9. Scoped out multiple sources, this is as close as I could get to details of the accident
Tue Jun 18, 2013, 07:38 PM
Jun 2013
...possibly:

http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/local/los_angeles&id=9143088

HOLLYWOOD, LOS ANGELES (KABC) -- A fiery accident in Los Angeles near the Melrose district left one person dead early Tuesday morning.


The accident happened near the intersection of Highland and Melrose avenues at about 4:15 a.m. The vehicle slammed into a tree and caught fire.

Neighbors could be seen with hoses trying to put the flames out even before fire crews arrived on scene.

The driver, identified only as a male, was declared dead at the scene. His name has not been released pending notification of next of kin. </snip>


jimlup

(8,010 posts)
12. So sorry to hear this...
Tue Jun 18, 2013, 07:43 PM
Jun 2013

The time seems to be typical of fatal accidents. The fire looks very substantial. Being a cynic I can't help but ask the question. If he was seen drinking or something that would eliminate tin-foil hat theories but if they "found alcohol in his blood" it would not.

 

Cooley Hurd

(26,877 posts)
20. I hope it's thoroughly investigated.
Tue Jun 18, 2013, 07:48 PM
Jun 2013

He's pissed off a lot of powerful people in the past.

Cross gently, Michael.

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
65. Including whether his car was tampered with.
Tue Jun 18, 2013, 10:42 PM
Jun 2013

A biting comment from the Yahoo coverage: Weather in Los Angeles: Cloudy with a chance of Drones.

JI7

(93,616 posts)
19. i use to drive that way to work a few years ago , not an area i would drive very fast in
Tue Jun 18, 2013, 07:48 PM
Jun 2013

and at least the streets along melrose can be very close together. but i don't know how it would look at 4 am and if it was empty enough that one would drive much faster than usual.

i have to wonder if he was drinking.

Hissyspit

(45,790 posts)
24. LATimes says this is the scene:
Tue Jun 18, 2013, 08:11 PM
Jun 2013

Not sure though. They could have the wrong one.

http://touch.latimes.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-76358486



Michael Hastings car crash

Los Angeles police investigate a burned vehicle in the 600 block of North Highland Avenue, where a man was pronounced dead early Tuesday, police said.

Hissyspit

(45,790 posts)
38. She worked for Air America.
Tue Jun 18, 2013, 08:56 PM
Jun 2013

Greg Mitchell: "well, relatively few know about his first book, about his courtship and life with a woman (who worked for Air America), who both ended up in Iraq, where she lost her life. The book was, I Lost My Love in Baghdad, and it was pretty much ignored until his later fame. So here's a reminder."

http://gregmitchellwriter.blogspot.com/2013/06/michael-hastings-rip.html

malaise

(296,105 posts)
103. Front of the car hits a tree and it bursts into flames
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 12:25 PM
Jun 2013

Where is the gas tank on this model?

Ganja Ninja

(15,953 posts)
83. Holy Crap!
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 08:14 AM
Jun 2013

It's hard to tell what he was driving. I'm guessing a Porsche. It looks like it was hit by a drone. He had to have been doing 80 to 100 mph to bend it up like that.
 

FarCenter

(19,429 posts)
112. Mercedes? Suicide by auto?
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 02:16 PM
Jun 2013
Hastings’ Mercedes-Benz slammed into a tree and caught fire.


...

“He was incredibly tense and very worried and was concerned that the government was looking in on his material,” he said.

“I don’t know what his state of mind was at 4:30 in the morning, but I do know what his state of mind was in general, and it was a nervous wreck.”



Read more: http://ktla.com/2013/06/19/driver-killed-in-fiery-car-crash-in-hollywood

octoberlib

(14,971 posts)
125. Some news outlets have reported bystanders said it looked like a Mercedes c250.
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 03:48 PM
Jun 2013

I haven't seen any official confirmation yet though.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
139. If it's a bad enough accident don't most cars catch on fire?
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 08:46 PM
Jun 2013

Is Mercedes "extra protected" in crash? (would hope so for the money)...but, if you are going High Speed and Crash into Tree....wouldn't the fuel tank explode if loaded with gas?

We don't know any of this...so it's just speculation that he was in Safe Car...and some on this thread say "cars don't catch on fire in crash like this"....yet cars DO Catch on Fire and burn their owners lots of times. So ...which is it?

I guess we shall wait and see what comes out of the Investigation. Still...given his "high profile" questioning the PTB...there is a reason that many of us speculate about the circumstances and hope for a STRONG Investigation. I think there are many questions that have to be asked. So..hopefully...

mwdem

(4,031 posts)
142. I totally agree.
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 10:21 PM
Jun 2013

I hope we hear more about this. I want to know what he was working on now

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
144. That would be important...if we can rely...
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 10:29 PM
Jun 2013

on is it "LAPD" in that jurisdiction of where the accident happened to do that kind of investigation? I've not heard good things about LAPD...but, who knows... We shall see.

 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
102. I think Cenk was closer to tears on his Current television show announcement yesterday...
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 12:14 PM
Jun 2013

... than I'd seen him before, and probably moreso than Rachel when she mentioned him. Hastings was on Cenk's show a a lot.

Here's Cenk talking to Sam Seder later on his own TYT show on Hastings. Note how one of the clips shows Cenk talking to both Hastings and Glen Greenwald... Has you wondering...

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
15. Hastings/Snowden, Greenwald connection ...
Tue Jun 18, 2013, 07:45 PM
Jun 2013

reported on alexjones/glen beck in 3 ... 2 ... 1 ...

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
28. Single vehicle crossed a median, impacted a tree, driver burned beyond recognition.
Tue Jun 18, 2013, 08:21 PM
Jun 2013

I'm not normally one to entertain conspiracy stuff... in fact I usually mock those who do, but this seems a little strange.

I'd like to know what his habits were. Did he normally drive down that street that early in the morning?

glinda

(14,807 posts)
60. Slipped a drug at an interview?????
Tue Jun 18, 2013, 10:21 PM
Jun 2013

I would want to know where he was. Was he lured with a scoop?

bluemarkers

(536 posts)
89. yes it is
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 09:28 AM
Jun 2013

cars don't usually burst into flames. Mythbusters tried to get cars to to this and they couldn't. Not a very scientific thing to reference, but it's what I thought about first,

and then I thought about this:

My friend's mother though had a similar accident. She was traveling on a highway, had a stroke, accelerated off the pavement, and hit a tree spinning. The car was wrapped around the tree. She, in her 70s survived the crash. She regained some functionality, but died about 8 months later.

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
64. His hallmark as reporter: Refusal to cozy up to power (including Obama/Clinton)
Tue Jun 18, 2013, 10:39 PM
Jun 2013

Michael Hastings, the award-winning journalist whose explosive 2010 Rolling Stone profile of U.S. Gen. Stanley A. McChrystal ("The Runaway General&quot led to McChrystal's resignation, died in an early morning car accident in Los Angeles on Tuesday, the magazine said. He was 33.

Hastings' "hallmark as a reporter was his refusal to cozy up to power," the magazine said, pointing to an email exchange he had last fall with Hillary Clinton aide Philippe Reines in the aftermath of the Benghazi attacks:

Hastings' aggressive line of questioning angered Reines. "Why do you bother to ask questions you've already decided you know the answers to?" Reines asked. "Why don't you give answers that aren't bullshit for a change?" Hastings replied.

Hastings was the author of two books: 2012's "The Operators: The Wild and Terrifying Inside Story of America's War in Afghanistan" based, in part, on his coverage of McChrystal; and 2008's "I Lost My Love In Baghdad," detailing two tumultuous years covering the war in Iraq for Newsweek. (Hastings' then-girlfriend, Andi Parhamovich, was killed in a botched kidnapping after joining him in Baghdad.)

He also authored a recent e-book, "Panic 2012: The Sublime and Terrifying Inside Story of Obama's Final Campaign."
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/michael-hastings-dead-33-002300721.html


Hastings' hallmark as reporter was his refusal to cozy up to power. While other embedded reporters were charmed by McChrystal's bad-boy bravado and might have excused his insubordination as a joke, Hastings was determined to expose the recklessness of a man leading what Hastings believed to be a reckless war. "Runaway General" was a finalist for a National Magazine Award, won the 2010 Polk award for magazine reporting, and was the basis for Hastings' book, The Operators: The Wild and Terrifying Inside Story of America's War in Afghanistan.

For Hastings, there was no romance to America's misbegotten wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. He had felt the horror of war first-hand: While covering the Iraq war for Newsweek in early 2007, his then-fianceé, an aide worker, was killed in a Baghdad car bombing. Hastings memorialized that relationship in his first book, I Lost My Love in Baghdad: A Modern War Story.

A contributing editor to Rolling Stone, Hastings leaves behind a remarkable legacy of reporting, including an exposé of America's drone war, an exclusive interview with WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange at his hideout in the English countryside, an investigation into the Army's illicit use of "psychological operations" to influence sitting Senators and a profile of Taliban captive Bowe Bergdahl, "America's Last Prisoner of War."


Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/michael-hastings-rolling-stone-contributor-dead-at-33-20130618#ixzz2WcrCVkqF
Follow us: @rollingstone on Twitter | RollingStone on Facebook


The Los Angeles Police Department would not release the name of a male driver killed in one-car crash at 4:15 a.m. in Hollywood. According to the Los Angeles Times, the vehicle crossed the median, slammed into a tree and burst into flames; the driver was pronounced dead at the scene. According to KTLA, coroner’s officials said the body was too badly burned to make an immediate identification.

proverbialwisdom

(4,959 posts)
122. This is the strangest, most repellant tribute I've ever read.
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 03:30 PM
Jun 2013
http://theweek.com/article/index/245787/michael-hastings-remembered

Michael Hastings, remembered
JUNE 18, 2013, AT 9:17 PM


<>

I place Hastings in a cadre of other young writers (Jeremy Scahill and Daphne Eviatar are two) who rigorously interrogate powerful interests and become advocates for those bullied by government power. They see generals and admirals and wonder not how to cultivate them as sources but instead what they're doing to abuse their power.

Unlike muckrackers of the past — Jack Anderson comes to mind — they don't make deals with the devil to bring down other devils. Eviatar is simply tenacious. Scahill is relentless. Stories in search of unflinching, uncompromising advocates seem to be attracted to their energy.

I am no Michael Hastings and I probably never will be. My temperament and orientation is different. I approach my subjects from a different angle and I ask different questions. I do pretty well for myself.

But when I'm in the arena with people like Hastings, I'm always forced to check myself. This continuing, largely backgrounded argument between those who want to blow the house down and those who want to renovate it is valuable for journalism. It sharpens our edges and keeps those in power constantly guessing.

<>

Marc Ambinder is TheWeek.com's editor-at-large, and writes The Compass blog. He is the author, with D.B. Grady, of The Command and Deep State: Inside the Government Secrecy Industry. Marc is also a contributing editor for The Atlantic and GQ. Formerly, he served as White House correspondent for National Journal, chief political consultant for CBS News, and politics editor at The Atlantic. Marc is a 2001 graduate of Harvard. He is married to Michael Park, a corporate strategy consultant, and lives in Los Angeles.

Quixote1818

(31,155 posts)
113. The engine flew 120 feet forward from the car?
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 02:17 PM
Jun 2013

How does an engine come out of a Mercedes just from hitting a tree? Engines are bolted in big time and connected to everything! Why wouldn't it have been pushed back toward the driver?

Seems a bit odd.

zappaman

(20,627 posts)
120. If he was speeding, it could.
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 02:54 PM
Jun 2013

I saw the scene and those trees aren't going anywhere.
A mercedes will lose everytime.
And that street is known for speeding as evidenced by the speed trap set up this morning a few blocks south of where it happened.

npk

(3,701 posts)
115. Perhaps he suffered a medical problem and that caused him to veer off the road...
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 02:36 PM
Jun 2013

Then again somebody could have been following him and he was speeding to try and get away. Or he could have just been speeding and a car or something crossed into his path and he swerved to avoid hitting it. Very sad and a horrific way to die.

Ford_Prefect

(8,610 posts)
25. Seems a very odd place to travel that fast.
Tue Jun 18, 2013, 08:13 PM
Jun 2013

It takes quite a bit of force to rip a car open the way it is shown in the LA Times story (see below). That it burned after the wreck is also an uncommon situation. He could have been in a hurry for his own reasons or he could have had "assistance".

I'd keep an open mind about what happened.


http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-michael-hastings-dies-car-crash-20130618,0,7611310.story

Hissyspit

(45,790 posts)
26. Greg Mitchell: "well, relatively few know about his first book, about his courtship and life with a
Tue Jun 18, 2013, 08:17 PM
Jun 2013

woman (who worked for Air America), who both ended up in Iraq, where she lost her life. The book was, I Lost My Love in Baghdad, and it was pretty much ignored until his later fame. So here's a reminder."

http://gregmitchellwriter.blogspot.com/2013/06/michael-hastings-rip.html

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
93. "...friends worried..he was agitated"..from KTLA Link from Greg Mitchell's Piece
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 09:39 AM
Jun 2013

Friends said that, because of the nature of Hastings’ work, he often led a very paranoid lifestyle.

“A lot of his friends were worried that he was in a very agitated state, yes. No question, people were concerned,” said Cenk Uygur, host of “The Young Turks.”

“He was incredibly tense and very worried and was concerned that the government was looking in on his material,” he said.

“I don’t know what his state of mind was at 4:30 in the morning, but I do know what his state of mind was in general, and it was a nervous wreck.”

In addition to his work for Rolling Stone and BuzzFeed, Hastings was also a contributor for GQ and Newsweek. He leaves behind a wife.

http://ktla.com/2013/06/19/driver-killed-in-fiery-car-crash-in-hollywood/#axzz2Wc62vgTS

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
138. We may never know...since he didn't have a chance to write it or finish it...
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 08:37 PM
Jun 2013

Hopefully there will be a full investigation of this. But, it seems like it will be LAPD doing it...and so...not much hope there if that's the jurisdiction for investigation.

But..hopefully more will be coming...and there are many who see his loss as devastating who might parse it all out and get the truth or it "whichever way it falls" out there.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
53. "It takes quite a bit of force to rip a car open the way it is shown"
Tue Jun 18, 2013, 10:00 PM
Jun 2013

That's why fire crews have equipment for ripping cars open to remove passengers and bodies.

You think they just opened the door to remove the body?

Ford_Prefect

(8,610 posts)
68. Cars rarely burn so thoroughly just after a wreck. To cause enough damage to engulf the car rapidly
Tue Jun 18, 2013, 11:26 PM
Jun 2013

Last edited Wed Jun 19, 2013, 05:17 AM - Edit history (1)

suggests the car was traveling quite fast when it hit the trees. The witness comments support this.

I'm quite familiar with the damage caused by impact. Safety team equipment cuts and pries the bodywork. The impact damage I am referring to is self-evident.

Edit: The video posted by octoberlib (#75) below confirms the damage.

deurbano

(2,986 posts)
27. On May 18 (one month ago), I sent my 14-year-old son this link:
Tue Jun 18, 2013, 08:20 PM
Jun 2013
http://nextupvt.com/articles/work/vermonter-michael-hastings-cover-rollingstone-magazine

I was encouraging my son to attend a journalism summer camp, and I used Michael Hastings as an example of a REAL journalist.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
108. I just read the eye witness's description of the crash:
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 01:55 PM
Jun 2013
“I was just coming northbound on Highland and I seen a car, like, going really fast and all of a sudden I seen it jackknife,” Luis Cortez said. “I just seen parts fly everywhere, and I slammed on my brakes and stopped and tried to call 911."


Why would parts fly everywhere from an automobile accident?

The vehicle crossed a median, struck a tree and burst into flames in the Hancock Park area, LAPD Officer Christopher No said. The driver was pronounced dead at the scene.

Coroner's officials said they could not immediately identify the victim, saying the body was burned beyond recognition. Without identification or next of kin, neither the LAPD nor the coroner's department could officially identify the body found in the vehicle.


So very sad.

zappaman

(20,627 posts)
116. It would depend on how fast he is going.
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 02:39 PM
Jun 2013

If he was speeding at excessive speeds, parts would go everywhere after hitting a large tree. I drive that road everyday and no car is match for those tress.

And that road is know for speeding...in fact, there was a speed trap set up this morning a few blocks south of where this accident occurred.

zappaman

(20,627 posts)
126. That street is known for speeding.
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 03:58 PM
Jun 2013

It's easy to fly down it.
Residents have tried for years to get speed bumps, but it's a main N/S thoroughfare.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
128. Thanks for the info. But is HE known for speeding? Does he have any speed related tickets on his
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 04:05 PM
Jun 2013

driving record? He must have going very, very fast to have his car explode instantly and for pieces to be flying all over the place.

zappaman

(20,627 posts)
129. That is for the investigation to answer.
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 04:07 PM
Jun 2013

And yes, he must have been driving very fast.

radiclib

(1,811 posts)
31. This is absolutely hideous news
Tue Jun 18, 2013, 08:27 PM
Jun 2013

The world can hardly afford to lose the likes of Michael.
The circumstances of this so-called (sorry, but I gotta go there) "accident" had better be closely and openly scrutinized.

SleeplessinSoCal

(10,412 posts)
34. I agree. I also feel that there are way too many enemies out there of real journalism.
Tue Jun 18, 2013, 08:39 PM
Jun 2013

And the timing is totally suspicious. Not saying it was the "government". But I think it could easily have been a hit job timed to coincide with NSA revelations by those who felt betrayed by his reporting.

mountain grammy

(29,035 posts)
32. What a huge loss for all who value real journalism.
Tue Jun 18, 2013, 08:30 PM
Jun 2013

Makes one wonder, what was he currently working on?

kentuck

(115,406 posts)
35. He has that beautiful wife, Elise Jordan...
Tue Jun 18, 2013, 08:46 PM
Jun 2013

Who has been on the Chris Hayes show a time or two, I think? She was a speechwriter for Condi Rice. I never knew they were married until I was reading about him.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
87. Here's a bit more from another link:
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 08:56 AM
Jun 2013
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/michael-hastings-dead-33-002300721.html

"We are shocked and devastated by the news that Michael Hastings is gone," Buzzfeed editor-in-chief Ben Smith said in a statement. "Michael was a great, fearless journalist with an incredible instinct for the story, and a gift for finding ways to make his readers care about anything he covered from wars to politicians. He wrote stories that would otherwise have gone unwritten, and without him there are great stories that will go untold. Michael was also a wonderful, generous colleague and a joy to work with and a lover of corgis—especially his Bobby Sneakers."

The Los Angeles Police Department would not release the name of a male driver killed in one-car crash at approximately 4:25 a.m. in Hollywood. According to the Los Angeles Times, the vehicle crossed the median, slammed into a tree and burst into flames; the driver was pronounced dead at the scene. According to KTLA, coroner’s officials said the body was too badly burned to make an immediate identification. Video purportedly taken from the scene—posted on LAWeekly.com—shows a vehicle engulfed in flames.

Hastings, a native of Burlington, Vermont, is survived by his wife, Elise Jordan, a journalist and former speechwriter for Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice.

"Great reporters exude a certain kind of electricity," Rolling Stone managing editor Will Dana said in a statement. "The sense that there are stories burning inside them, and that there's no higher calling or greater way to live life than to be always relentlessly trying to find and tell those stories. I'm sad that I'll never get to publish all the great stories that he was going to write, and sad that he won't be stopping by my office for any more short visits which would stretch for two or three completely engrossing hours."

"Part of his passion stemmed from a desire to make everyone else wake the fuck up and realize the value of the life we're living," Matt Farwell, Hastings friend and fellow war reporter, wrote.

-----------

Hastings was the author of two books: 2012's "The Operators: The Wild and Terrifying Inside Story of America's War in Afghanistan" based, in part, on his coverage of McChrystal; and 2008's "I Lost My Love In Baghdad," detailing two tumultuous years covering the war in Iraq for Newsweek. (Hastings' then-girlfriend, Andi Parhamovich, was killed in a botched kidnapping attempt after joining him in Baghdad.)

He also authored a recent e-book, "Panic 2012: The Sublime and Terrifying Inside Story of Obama's Final Campaign."

senseandsensibility

(24,974 posts)
43. I was listening and I didn't hear that.
Tue Jun 18, 2013, 09:05 PM
Jun 2013

I heard him say traffic accident. Was he saying that the heart attack caused the accident?

ohheckyeah

(9,314 posts)
45. Yes, that's what a friend who was watching Chris Hayes told me.
Tue Jun 18, 2013, 09:16 PM
Jun 2013

Sorry, but I was working and didn't catch the show. I'll remove the info if she was wrong....checking now.

senseandsensibility

(24,974 posts)
42. So young, so talented, such a tragedy....
Tue Jun 18, 2013, 09:04 PM
Jun 2013

RIP, Mr. Hastings, and thanks for your good work. You made a difference in your short life.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
88. I remember that interview he did with Julian Assange...
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 09:01 AM
Jun 2013

From the article you link:

A contributing editor to Rolling Stone, Hastings leaves behind a remarkable legacy of reporting, including an exposé of America's drone war, an exclusive interview with WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange at his hideout in the English countryside, an investigation into the Army's illicit use of "psychological operations" to influence sitting Senators and a profile of Taliban captive Bowe Bergdahl, "America's Last Prisoner of War."

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
47. Sadly, Michael is the cover story in the summer issue of Vermont Life
Tue Jun 18, 2013, 09:44 PM
Jun 2013

Great photo and great article and interview with him.



http://www.vermontlife.com/

ReRe

(12,189 posts)
54. RIP, Dear Michael
Tue Jun 18, 2013, 10:09 PM
Jun 2013

This is so sad. I just got home from dinner out and Rachel had already started her obit. The longer I heard her talk, it was clear what had happened. Somehow, Michael Hastings had died. I didn't know how until I jumped on DU. Deepest condolences to his family. This is really going to be hard, he was so young.

liberalla

(11,089 posts)
55. So sad... what a loss
Tue Jun 18, 2013, 10:13 PM
Jun 2013

Rachel payed tribute to him in a nice segment.

My condolences to his family and friends. RIP

 

Smarmie Doofus

(14,498 posts)
57. Hmmm.... I just came in the door from seeing Dirty Wars.
Tue Jun 18, 2013, 10:15 PM
Jun 2013

Frankly I came away worried for Jeremy Scahill.

midnight

(26,624 posts)
61. "What we do know is that the government lied about who was responsible for the drone."
Tue Jun 18, 2013, 10:25 PM
Jun 2013
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-rise-of-the-killer-drones-how-america-goes-to-war-in-secret-20120416

Hastings leaves behind a remarkable legacy of reporting, including an exposé of America's drone war, an exclusive interview with WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange at his hideout in the English countryside, an investigation into the Army's illicit use of "psychological operations" to influence sitting Senators and a profile of Taliban captive Bowe Bergdahl, "America's Last Prisoner of War."

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/michael-hastings-rolling-stone-contributor-dead-at-33-20130618



What a terrible loss....
 

FarCenter

(19,429 posts)
66. War Correspondent Michael Hastings Killed In Car Accident
Tue Jun 18, 2013, 10:49 PM
Jun 2013
Hastings did an Ask Me Anything (AmA) on Reddit more than a year ago, and he offered some inspiring advice to would-be journalists:

1.) You basically have to be willing to devote your life to journalism if you want to break in. Treat it like it's medical school or law school.

2.) When interviewing for a job, tell the editor how you love to report. How your passion is gathering information. Do not mention how you want to be a writer, use the word "prose," or that deep down you have a sinking suspicion you are the next Norman Mailer.

3.) Be prepared to do a lot of things for free. This sucks, and it's unfair, and it gives rich kids an edge. But it's also the reality.

4.) When writing for a mass audience, put a fact in every sentence.

5.)Also, keep the stories simple and to the point, at least at first.

6.) You should have a blog and be following journalists you like on Twitter.

7.) If there's a publication you want to work for or write for, cold call the editors and/or email them. This can work.

8) By the second sentence of a pitch, the entirety of the story should be explained. (In other words, if you can't come up with a rough headline for your story idea, it's going to be a challenge to get it published.)

9) Mainly you really have to love writing and reporting. Like it's more important to you than anything else in your life--family, friends, social life, whatever.

10) Learn to embrace rejection as part of the gig. Keep writing/pitching/reading.

He was just 33 years old at the time of his death.


http://www.businessinsider.com/michael-hastings-killed-car-accident-2013-6

MADem

(135,425 posts)
72. 4.) When writing for a mass audience, put a fact in every sentence.
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 01:34 AM
Jun 2013

The whole thing is great advice. It's a pocket journalism major, in a list of ten.

colsohlibgal

(5,276 posts)
70. This Does Seem Fishy, I Hope It Really Is Looked At
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 12:19 AM
Jun 2013

There is enough here so far to raise my suspicions, much like what happened to Paul Wellstone some years ago. Just a bit too convenient for some in power that he regularly exposed.

It's just so sad in any event, way too young to die.

Response to WillyT (Original post)

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
76. I'd ask the video of a mans death be removed.
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 05:52 AM
Jun 2013

If people want to see it they can google it. I feel it's disgusting to post this here on DU.

All in all it's my opinion so do what you want but I am sure this is not the way we should remember and honor him.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
90. Who would have been there to do a video?
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 09:30 AM
Jun 2013

I don't want to see any video...but, it's not explained who would be able to do a video at that time of the morning if the car was the only one on the road? Smart Phone video or what? Is it from the witness to the accident?

zappaman

(20,627 posts)
100. It's a residential street
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 11:59 AM
Jun 2013

and someone made a video of the car burning.
It's a street with northbound and southbound lanes divided by a median that has large trees.
If the car had gone to the right, it would have hit a house.
Hope that helps.

I drive that street almost every day.
Very sad.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
135. Thanks...good to have location from someone who lives there and familiar.
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 08:33 PM
Jun 2013

Amazing...that he swerved into the trees instead of hitting house. I didn't realize it was a City Street...thought it was part of the Freeway he crashed on.

I live on East Coast...so your info is interesting in putting the pieces together as to where he crashed an what was the roadway there.

zappaman

(20,627 posts)
136. Yeah
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 08:36 PM
Jun 2013

The way it is written up, it almost sounds like a deserted highway somewhere.
The investigation will tell more...

 

YeahSureRight

(205 posts)
79. How convenient a real journalist who is exposing the lies and making powerful
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 06:43 AM
Jun 2013

enemies ends up in a car accident.

Seems like his death is also sending a message to others to not expose the lies or you will end up dead.


We will never know the truth about what happened.

OKNancy

(41,832 posts)
80. And the conspiracy theories start....
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 07:11 AM
Jun 2013

but I saw the video. A witness said he was going really fast. He said it in broken English but he said.. maybe 100.

A print article says: A witness described the accident to KTLA News: “I was just coming northbound on Highland and I seen a car, like, going really fast and all of a sudden I seen it jackknife,” Luis Cortez said. “I just seen parts fly everywhere, and I slammed on my brakes and stopped and tried to call 911."
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-michael-hastings-dies-car-crash-20130618,0,7611310.story

So, wouldn't the most likely thing be that he was going too fast and lost control?

ETA: no witness said anything about another car. A single car going way too fast

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
94. KTLA report said friends said he was agitated and worried..
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 09:42 AM
Jun 2013

Friends said that, because of the nature of Hastings’ work, he often led a very paranoid lifestyle.

“A lot of his friends were worried that he was in a very agitated state, yes. No question, people were concerned,” said Cenk Uygur, host of “The Young Turks.”

“He was incredibly tense and very worried and was concerned that the government was looking in on his material,” he said.

“I don’t know what his state of mind was at 4:30 in the morning, but I do know what his state of mind was in general, and it was a nervous wreck.”

In addition to his work for Rolling Stone and BuzzFeed, Hastings was also a contributor for GQ and Newsweek. He leaves behind a wife.

http://ktla.com/2013/06/19/driver-killed-in-fiery-car-crash-in-hollywood/#axzz2Wc62vgTS

arthritisR_US

(7,810 posts)
81. This is so horrible and so sad. One of the few
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 07:19 AM
Jun 2013

truth tellers, not afraid to tell truth to power. R I P

 

toby jo

(1,269 posts)
96. First thoughts were 'it sounds like the kind of guy they'd want to kill, but he probably died in
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 10:49 AM
Jun 2013

all that crazy LA traffic'.

Remember what happened to Patton? The guy that ran him down admitted it was a hit when he was pretty old. TPTB didn't like the ole rascal and his 'following', too much charisma, put in Ike.

No problem here seeing a takedown.

whatchamacallit

(15,558 posts)
107. On tv last night they showed that the entire engine had somehow been thrown from the car
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 01:16 PM
Jun 2013

and was sitting intact up the street.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
109. Certainly a suspicious accident.
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 01:59 PM
Jun 2013

Why was he driving so fast...being pursued perhaps? Fire is possible, but highly unusual. I don't know the area...perhaps a bump in road or attempt to avoid stray animal caused him to loose control...but if road level then what made him loose control? Have ph records been checked? Was he on ph or texting at time?
I'll wait for more info before thinking he was "accidented", but this is a pretty unusual circumstance, and I hope the investigation is thorough.

RIP, Mr Hastings.

zappaman

(20,627 posts)
117. Not if you are familiar with the road.
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 02:42 PM
Jun 2013

It's easy to speed on that particular stretch.
I drive it everyday and try not to speed since there are frequently speed traps...like there was this morning.
At that time of the morning, however, it would be easy to fly down that street.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
118. Thx for the info, I'm not familiar with the area.
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 02:49 PM
Jun 2013

So there's no road characteristics that would be likely to cause him to loose control? This road has little traffic at 4:30 am?

zappaman

(20,627 posts)
119. Not really.
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 02:52 PM
Jun 2013

It's flat, but if you are going fast, there are some depressions (the opposite of speed bumps) that could cause you to lose control if you weren't expecting them.
It's also narrow.
If his car had flown to the right instead of the left, he would have hit a parked car or possibly a house.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
130. That's interesting, and it's possible. I drive on streets like that and don't speed, as do lots of
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 04:08 PM
Jun 2013

people though.

Maybe he was a very irresponsible driver and already has a record of speeding. I'm sure we will find that out.

Hissyspit

(45,790 posts)
133. @wikileaks: Michael Hastings contacted WikiLeaks lawyer Jennifer Robinson just a few hours before he
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 06:31 PM
Jun 2013

@wikileaks: Michael Hastings contacted WikiLeaks lawyer Jennifer Robinson just a few hours before he died, saying that the FBI was investigating him.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
141. Well..his friends said he was agitated...probably over NSA stuff and the blow back...
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 09:33 PM
Jun 2013

and, it's possible he was under stress and hit some pot hole in road going fast and it caused this.

On the other hand...why was he driving around that street in CA at that hour of the morning around 4:10 a.m.? Had he met with someone who was necessary to talk to working on a new story? It is an odd time for him to be out there? Why was he speeding and veered off into a tree with such force that his car blew up? Whatever.....

We shall see... It's upsetting so we get into speculating...(those of us who've seen too many like him end up in mysterious deaths..so we do get concerned)

 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
134. Cenk just now had a good rant on the press going after Michael and put the effort in to defend him..
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 07:43 PM
Jun 2013

... on his Current Young Turks show against their post-facto B.S. they've thrown at him now that he's unable to defend himself.

Someone get this on youtube soon so that we can post it here!

 

FarCenter

(19,429 posts)
143. By the water gushing up in the median, it looks like he took out a hydrant.
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 10:28 PM
Jun 2013

That would tear up motor mounts and the gas tank.

Catherina

(35,568 posts)
146. I just watched the video. Sorry, no way. Not on that street in a residential
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 11:08 PM
Jun 2013

not deliberately I mean

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