where's FrenchieCat?

[DesertFlower]

[BeyondGeography]

1. Laughing at us with Old Crusoe

[CTyankee]

17. I really miss Old Crusoe (who had changed his username before he left for good).

I hope he is OK. He was a mensch...

[Cha]

22. Yeah, Old Crusoe.. he changed it to something to do with

water in Florida. I remember asking him about it and he explained it to me. but, darned if I can remember it.

Do you know why he left, CTyankee? He was a mensch.

[CTyankee]

25. I wish I knew! To tell you the truth, I was worried he was sick.

But he was never bombastic about stuff. I guess I didn't expect he would make a dramatic exit...

[LeftishBrit]

31. Saltpoint. Great poster!

Hope he's OK.

[BeyondGeography]

33. Me too

He was wonderful. An Edwards guy (Edwards did have lots of great supporters, which makes him even more despicable). He went out to Iowa for the 2008 caucuses and wrote some of the best campaign summaries ever, in addition to his regular dispensations of wisdom.

[CTyankee]

39. The reason I was worried about his health was because he never lost his cool over stuff

on DU, he just disappeared one day and never came back...

[MuseRider]

56. He was SO nice to me.

We butted heads a lot but he never was unkind or never declined an opportunity to try to understand, even if he could not. He was far fairer than I have ever been and he was very even tempered about everything. He always asked about personal things we had talked about, our mutual love of Broadway and music and he always asked about my horses. He knew how to be a kind person in the midst of all the shit stirring around here.

I do hope he is having a wonderful life. I miss him. It seems he was just gone one day and that has always concerned me.

[CTyankee]

57. I liked that he was very pro-women, no sexist stuff with him!

I don't think I ever disagreed with him about anything...I felt we had kindred spirits...

[Samantha]

109. SaltPoint

I REALLY MISS HIM. I have been meaning to post the question here if anyone knew anything about him. This place is not the same with him.

Sam

[Cha]

110. Oh Yes! SaltPoint

thank you, Sam. I like knowing people's names.. even user names on the internet.

[Blue_In_AK]

58. Old Crusoe (Saltpoint), one of my best friends here.

He is missed.

[MuseRider]

81. You don't know anything either?

I have thought about him so many times.

[Blue_In_AK]

85. No, he just sort of fell off the face of the earth.

I've missed him.

[JI7]

2. she doesn't post here much anymore

[NYC_SKP]

3. She's around, posted last month.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2882598

Still a star member, too.

[Number23]

13. Hadn't seen that. But considering how often she used to post here,

seems obvious that she has pretty much taken her leave of DU.

[NYC_SKP]

43. Do you remember when the BOG was so highly monitored that it didn't pay to post at all?

And when NanceGreggs and JeffR pretty much stopped coming by, too?

That's about the time FC stopped posting and I'd say many months, if not years, passed without a peep.

When DU3 came about there was a resurrection of the Barack Obama Group and she started posting again.

Never as much as back in 2007-2009, but it was good to see her again.

There are a couple other groups that arose during that time, like Democrats for Progress, but I'm not sure if she posts much there or not.

[JustAnotherGen]

51. All names I miss

I miss FrenchieCat a lot though.

[Major Hogwash]

84. Yes, I do.

And it didn't stop even after President Obama was elected in 2008.
Not only were we monitored for posting in that group forum, we were trashed for posting in that group forum in other forums right here at the DU!
That made no freaking sense to me.
But, worse than that not only were we trashed for posting in the BOG group forum at the DU, some of them went to other forums and to Facebook and trashed us there, too.

Some of those same people that were trashing us back then are the very ones whining the loudest now about the spying that the NSA is doing.

Ironic, isn't it?

[lumberjack_jeff]

4. Having a crisis of faith.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5324884

[Control-Z]

5. -100

Seriously? Poor form, man.

[lumberjack_jeff]

7. meh.

The messiah bullshit did a huge disservice to the entire process, as did "Dumb White Fucks and Hillary supporters".

Everyone who bitches about the tone and tenor and incivility of DU3 should take a trip in the wayback machine.

[DevonRex]

9. Agreed. Par for the course

around here. Brush it off and just talk to the decent people. I've found quite a few that I can even argue with who are nice.

[Skittles]

6. LOL, what schlock

[calimary]

63. DAMN that was a great thread. SO eloquent, that OP.

Thanks for re-posting it, lumberjack-jeff!

For me it helps to remember. It helps to put a few things into perspective. I think the very monumental growth spurt in our nation's maturity. Seems to me we're kind of an adolescent or teenager country now, compared to the "adults" and other "elders" in the room. Meaning the European nations with their cultures over a thousand years or more, and certainly Japan and China, around for thousands of years. The Jewish collective stretches over several millennia. Our history is a big ol' whoppin' 230-some years long. We're barely out of the high chair compared to many. Historically, to quote Joe Biden, it indeed was/is a "Big Fuckin' Deal!" Whatever else he does, Barack Obama tore down that "Berlin Wall" in our country's evolution. The last wall to be broken through is for women. But Obama created an entrance for non-whites.

I'm still proud I contributed to that in all the ways I did. Granted, there's all the other stuff swirling around now. But hey - how "great" would things be now, given the issues now - if the republi-CON mindset had been in charge instead? God forbid! And thank God that God did.

...just rambling for a moment. Sorry...

[DesertFlower]

70. well said. nt

[lumberjack_jeff]

75. God didn't do it. Voters did.

They picked a person warts and all. Better than the alternatives, but still a person with all the questionable agendas and a limited ability to get it done.

The disillusionment with BO is due to the complete lack of critical thinking that some people applied to the job of "voter". They decided that they knew what he was going to be about by looking at him and seeing a faint halo... yet disregarding everything he said and everything he did.

Their expectations were so high as to be unattainable, so when the pony didn't materialize, they simply disengaged. Obama raised a billion dollars in campaign contributions in 2012, but unlike 2008, he didn't raise it from the little people.

It's been a few years since I've used this quote, but now it seems apropos again.

“To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.” - Theodore Roosevelt

[Hekate]

76. There's a difference between criticism and continual tearing-down

One is constructive.

[lumberjack_jeff]

78. How would one constructively criticize a president who collects the metadata on all your calls...

and diverts and stores all your emails?

What's the constructive criticism here?

The only good-faith explanation he could have provided is; "oopsie. I forgot that switch was turned on". He has done the opposite, and aggressively prosecuted those who blew the whistle.

To a people who fancy themselves citizens of a nation of laws, is either acceptable or it is not. The person sitting in the chair is irrelevant.

[Marr]

79. The difference is in the eye of the beholder.

Bushies found the criticism of their hero president to be unfair and destructive, too.

[DonCoquixote]

87. You just had to be cheap about it

And Hillary never made herself a messiah either, right?

[napoleon_in_rags]

88. that post always cracked me up.

Not the content or sentiment, but the delivery. Read it out loud, like a script, and try to envision a scene where a husband saying that to his wife looks natural. But she was very positive, which too few people are now days.

[Union Scribe]

97. It's hard to be positive anymore

but you're right I tip my hat to her for that.

[emulatorloo]

8. Probably sick of DU's shit.

[jaysunb]

10. +1 n/t

[SidDithers]

11. Yup. See up thread, for example...nt

Sid

[alcibiades_mystery]

28. Ayup

There used to be mechanisms in place to allow the board to meet its mission.

[Whisp]

77. yep, same shit now as about last time there were midterms coming up.

like clockwork, the sqwacking gets so loud. This time it will be worse. We have a Ron Paul Libertarian for a hero.

I sure wish EarlG would do another Fuck Ron Paul thread, we sure do need it now more than ever.

[Pirate Smile]

103. She certainly wouldn't be the only one.

[Number23]

12. Joined a long, LONG list of black DUers that are thoroughly disgusted with what this site

has devolved into and took the high road out of it. Haven't seen Frenchie around in months. Many months.

I actually went into the old AAIG (African American Interest Group) on DU2 and there were names there I have not seen in years. Frequent, regular posters that don't post here anymore. I got in touch with one who posts on another web site and he said there was no way in hell he'd post here anymore. I can't say that I blame him.

Shoot, I did a roll call thread of black posters about a year or so ago and easily 1/3 of them don't post here anymore either. In so many, MANY ways this web site doesn't represent the Dem party in any way, shape or form.

[DesertFlower]

14. sad. i enjoyed her posts. my sister NanceGreggs

doesn't post here anymore either. she said "it's turned into a hate site".

[kentuck]

15. I don't think it has turned into a hate site but...

...I do think it has become very divisive. The President has a lot of supporters. Some might call them fans. He can do no wrong. He is our quarterback.

And there are some oldtimers that fought George W Bush and Dick Cheney for eight long years and they cannot possibly accept the Bush policies in any form and they are disappointed in Barack Obama in that respect. These are the most loyal Democrats you will find anywhere.

So there is a present battle going on for the soul and mind of the democraticunderground.

[treestar]

24. Wow that was an exercise in not being objective

The President has many detractors here, including those who call his supporters "fans."

[kentuck]

26. Are you a fan of the President?

I was being kind.

[treestar]

44. No. I am a supporter.

You are a pot calling kettles black, however.

[emulatorloo]

46. No you are being overly simplistic about other's positions

I am a far left liberal and I am sick of DU'ers calling me a Nazi just because I don,t agree 100 percent with the party line promulgated by DU's self-appointed keepers of the "Truth."

You have never struck me as a divisive person. Why start now?

[alcibiades_mystery]

29. It's typical of the nastiness that now passes for discourse here

The dumb, star-struck "fans" and the committed-loyal democrats who are righteous beyond measure.

That's precisely the kind of stupidity that loses us some of our best posters, and many of them posters of color. That so much of this is inflected by race is obvious to anyone who is not him or herself star-struck by the sound of his or her own voice, like your interlocutor. If you're not in that bubble, it's obviously driven by hate.

[kentuck]

32. Obviously...

you are ready for respectful discourse?

[alcibiades_mystery]

36. Only with people of good faith

[kentuck]

37. Who agree with you?

Right?

[alcibiades_mystery]

38. Please

There are people of good faith with whom I disagree. We have respectful arguments, and often even work through issues in productive ways that make me see things differently.

Since I don't really count you among those, I'll wish you a good day, as I have no interest in having conversations of any kind with you.

[datasuspect]

42. you are one of the very few here

who has an intelligence i can respect.

[treestar]

45. No kidding

Yet some of them were Eddie fans or Julian fans or Bradley fans right off. At least the President has been known for a long time, yet they were calling Eddie a hero instantly.

And some of them are fans of Elizabeth Warren. I guess they think she will have the "backbone" to disband the CIA. Bet they would be wrong.

[Number23]

67. Exactly. Nicely said.

[Hekate]

16. Both Nance and Frenchie are wise women, and DU is poorer for their departure.

Some of the posts in this thread prove their point.

[pnwmom]

18. That's for sure. n/t

[Cha]

23. Another brilliant prolific poster who left in 2009 was Jackeens..

who left to create her own site. And, it's had over 10,000,000 hits since then. She, too, had all that "hate" directed towards her that Nance experienced.

A sampling.. her name is "chipsticks" now..
http://theobamadiary.com/2013/06/18/germany-the-schedule/

[pnwmom]

49. Good to know. Thanks. n/t

[Beacool]

72. Jackeens became disillusioned with DU early on.

Last edited Wed Jun 19, 2013, 11:45 PM - Edit history (1)

The problem is that this site is called "Democratic Underground", not Obama's fan club, or Hillary's, or Biden's, etc.

She posted beautiful threads and lovely pics, but couldn't tolerate anything negative being said about Obama. I haven't visited her new site, but I doubt that dissent is allowed there. Obama is no longer a candidate, but president. He's enduring the same kind of criticism that all presidents do. Clinton was trashed on a daily basis, so was Bush and so was everyone who came before them. It comes with the territory.

[Blasphemer]

133. +1

This is my attitude as well. I'm heartened by criticism of a Democratic politician on Democratic, liberal and/or progressive boards. That is as it should be. There is no way to progress socially without questioning our leaders - ALL of them. The greatest women and men in political and world history have been dissenters at some point in their lives. Unfortunately, in 2008 a certain contingent of people felt that we needed to protect certain Democratic politicians to present a united front. I have always felt that to be narrow and backwards thinking.

[Beacool]

134. I think that some people became emotionally invested with Obama.

To these people any criticism of him is abhorrent, but being president is not being a movie star or a famous singer. All presidents need their feet to be held to the fire, even the ones from one's own party.

[alcibiades_mystery]

30. Indeed

[Major Hogwash]

40. Well said.

They were wise beyond their years.
And I'm not just saying that.
They were 2 of my favorite members.
There were times when I would read what they had said, and I would wish that I could write stuff like they did.
Then other times they would write and say stuff that I hadn't even thought of.

And that is why we need more women in Congress!!
Intelligent women like those 2 should be in positions of power instead of the thundering dunderheads that are in control of the House today.

[lunatica]

48. Both have a great deal of power with words and highly intelligent

I miss them. But they're not gone completely. Every once in a while they post and I always click on their links, and I'm never disappointed.

[DesertFlower]

50. i agree. nt

[lumberjack_jeff]

54. I really hate revisionism.

If FrenchieCat has left, I hope she's enjoying whatever she's chosen to do. But the crocodile tears over the deplorable current state of DU discourse ring false, particularly from people who should remember what it was like to be a Hillary supporter (or a supporter of anyone other than BO, for that matter) and the people who were responsible for it.

DU2 sucked, and the ability of a vocal group to shout down dissent by appealing to their mods was a primary reason. Absent that ability, the cool kids simply lost interest.

[Hekate]

62. I feel your pain

I came late to the Obama party, having first supported Edwards, then Hillary. I live in California, where despite our enormous population our primary election doesn't count for shit because the presidential nominee is pretty much settled by the time we get to vote.

However by that time I had read Obama's first book, and I liked his bio and the way he thinks. Everybody has a bias and I have been clear about mine: You Mainlanders have no idea how Hawai'ian this man is, and what a different culture that denotes. I'm half a generation older than he is, but I was raised on Oahu, went to public schools, and like his parents, graduated from the University of Hawai'i. The aloha his grandparents had for Hawai'i, despite their personal struggles, having come from someplace so different, resonates with my own parents' reaction and the aloha they felt. The slight sense being an outsider to the majority culture, of being always seen as a newcomer, somewhat paralleled mine, as neither of us looks in the slightest like a Polynesian or Asian, and after awhile it wears on you.

What I got from DU was that so many people felt cognitive dissonance. They thought they saw a black man acting white, but what they were seeing was a hapa-haole Islander who could have chosen to stay and marry a local girl and join the melting pot. But he didn't. He chose a different identity, and I do mean he chose.

I go from that bio, and it does not mean I "worship" Barack Obama. It does mean I feel affinity. That affinity includes my bias toward intellectuals who don't talk down to the public.

Gotta go -- my timer just went off...

[Beacool]

71. Hear, hear.

Except that it's not past tense. Post anything positive on either Clinton and some people almost break a finger in their rush to crap on it.

[Marr]

80. I must've been in some alternate universe, because I remember both Nancegreggs and

FrenchieCat as being extremely rude, aggressive, and insulting. They regularly posted topics that did nothing but castigate their political opposition on this site.

[lumberjack_jeff]

83. Less so with Nance, but I think it's a kind of projection.

The ruder and more aggressive, the more it was rationalized away as undoubtedly necessary to combat some presumed attacks from someone, somewhere.

[hfojvt]

116. I must have had more run-ins with Nance

I thought FrenchieCat was great, and even told her so.

Maybe it helps if you are on the same side, because I was always a Hillary-hater.

And then for two years - from 2008 to 2010, I was an Obama defender (or tried to be). Then Obama crossed my Rubicon - he extended the Bush tax cuts, and instituted an accursed payroll tax cut, and started (actually continued) to preach Reaganomics (tax cuts (for the rich, which the politician calls middle class tax cuts or small business tax cuts) will create jobs!!!).

Doubtless there were many posts that I never saw, many flame wars I never got singed by.

It was funny how perceptions changed though.

When I was an Obama defender, it seemed like the Obama attackers were rude as hell, calling us Obamabots, DINOs, lovers of Bush, sensible woodchucks, etc., etc., etc. even using that as an icon.

Then when I switched though, it seemed like the Obama defenders were the obnoxious ones. Calling us firebaggers, closet racists (as if the same people didn't also hate the white Bill Clinton), etc.

It's always more serious when your own eye is the one getting poked.

[Number23]

19. In alot of ways, it has

I just came out of a thread where some mindless person said that a thread accusing the president's detractors of disliking him because he's black are the reason there are so few minority posters here. I've never seen such a stupid statement here and that is truly saying something.

I personally don't agree with that thread but one thing I've noticed is that there are more than a few remaining black posters posting in it that agree with the OP's thesis. The hyperventilating, knee jerk response to that thread is the one that many black posters are avoiding.

I think there is alot of truth in what Nance said.

[Cha]

21. Yeah, Nance went for far greener pastures, same with Frenchie. :)

I left for two years and came back for the election. I'm sticking around now because I've made some really wonderful cyberbuddies and my like for them is way stronger than my disgust at the vulgarity.

Besides, I put that Trash Thread to excellent use as well as the ignore feature.

[Floyd_Gondolli]

47. I stick around for the show

We have one very popular poster here who believes the government is spying on us through our televisions. Rather than being dismissed a crackpot, she has attracted legions of followers.

But I could see why people leave. When I first became aware of the site in the early 2000s it was much, much different. Personal attacks were not allowed etc. Now they are SOP, and in some cases, apparently encouraged.

But I digress....

[Cha]

64. I hear ya, Floyd..

Depends on who you get on a jury whether personal attacks are allowed.. so it's a crap shoot.

Pretty sure I have that "very popular poster" on ignore.

[Bobbie Jo]

27. She's right. nt

[HiPointDem]

61. which is one of the reasons no one takes nancegreggs' writing seriously.

[Bobbie Jo]

91. lol

So you remember her? She left this site some time ago.

[HiPointDem]

93. no idea when *she* 'left', but her writing & her persona has been around fairly recently.

like in march.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/101658364

i find her writing boring & purely partisan. which is to say, uninteresting.

[Bobbie Jo]

94. Sure.

[HiPointDem]

96. it's sure that i find her writing boring, yes indeed.

a weighty tome from may:

http://sync.democraticunderground.com/101663554

[Bobbie Jo]

98. Who cares?

[HiPointDem]

101. probably about as many as care that she's 'gone'.

[Bobbie Jo]

104. I'm pretty sure her

original account is still in good standing. I mean if she wanted to come back, at least she wouldn't be relegated to Zombie status.

[HiPointDem]

111. insiders accounts usually are.

[Union Scribe]

100. To be fair her writing is sometimes posted. nt

[HiPointDem]

102. it's posted on a fairly regular basis, about once a month. plus random conversations noting

her 'absence' and how much she is 'missed'.

such as this one.

[hfojvt]

114. that's kinda funny

that she called it a hate site, considering the argument we had http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x8574916#8575115

[tblue]

52. Is there an Obama Underground?

Sounds like it's needed. This site is split now, though we were pretty united during the Bush years.

[Number23]

65. Google could help you with that better than I could.

[Apophis]

66. This black man is still here.

[Number23]

68. Hello.

[Samantha]

112. Do you specifically know anything about SaltPoint?

If you are in touch with him, would you please tell him Samantha said hello and of course, I wish he were here!

Sam

[Number23]

115. No, I'm sorry but I don't. I don't even recognize the name.

[Egalitarian Thug]

20. Wait until campaign season comes back around. n/t

[asjr]

34. I am glad to see I am not the only one to

become disappointed in DU. I came here in 2002 and loved it. I miss those that decided to leave. There were actual conversations then instead of long long threads of snark for each other. Sometimes I think I have entered Kindergarten Zone.

[The Link]

35. "SO I SAY HELL NO TO THE DLC MENTALITY!"

Thats some funny ironic shit that FrenchieCat posted right there.

[malaise]

41. Where is SwampRat?

So many great DUers aren't around these days.

[Blue_In_AK]

59. Very much missed.

[Skidmore]

125. Yeah, I miss Swampy too.

Always looked forward to postings of green critters.

[DainBramaged]

69. Lot of the old timers gone, glad you're still here my friend

I guess after a while you get tired of swimming upstream, people come on just to be contrary, start fights, get people booted, all because they have shallow lives, or are Republicans.

[malaise]

73. Glad you're still here

[hfojvt]

117. all the names mentioned in this thread

and nobody's missing McCamy Taylor? or TimeForChange?

[malaise]

118. I saw a post from McCamy Taylor recently

Haven't seen TimeforChange recently. Also miss Judith Lyn

[quinnox]

55. don't know, but just want to say, that to me, DU is better than ever.

Just wanted to give a different perspective to all the moaning and lamenting of DU in this thread. It does make me wonder though, if DU is so bad and nasty, why hang out here at all?

[pinboy3niner]

60. And, come to think of it, where is Walt Starr?

Well, SOMEONE had to lighten this thread up a little...

[HardTimes99]

74. Ou sont les Neigedens d'anton? - nt

[Blue_In_AK]

86. I kind of liked old Walt Starr

Curmudgeons appeal to me. His was an epic flame-out.

[pinboy3niner]

119. Walt's flameout is famous for Skinner's brilliantly elegant reply

I didn't see a lot of Walt, but from what little I saw, 'curmudgeon' may be a fair description of him.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

124. If you really want to know where he is you better

"CALL CONGRESS RIGHT FUCKING NOW!!!"

[pinboy3niner]

127. Only if you promise me beer, travel money and many experiences

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

128. .

.

[Texasgal]

82. Run off.

Sad, having a differing opinion that is passionate leads to jerks making it hard to stay as a DU member.

I love DU, but If I were to actually post my honest opinion about what I think is happening I'd be run off this board in five seconds flat.

[Bobbie Jo]

92. +1

Agreed.

[Marrah_G]

131. I agree with you

I would like to note though, the FC did her own fair share of jerky behavior.

People need to stop and think before they post and stop themselves from behaving in an uncivil manner towards others. Sometimes that means editing yourself.

[DonCoquixote]

89. I see that many of the people

that drove people off DU show up.

Look, I make no secret about what I felt about Hillary Clinton, nor what i will feel about her in the Democratic primary. I make no secret about the fact that if she wins, I work to get her in. Beacool and I have had this discussion many times, and I think she realizes that if HRC wins, we will both be doing what we can, despite heated disagreements in the primary season.

That being said, I do remember people calling anyone who opposed Hillary sexist. I also remember ageism being thrown about, and all sorts of nasty vitriol. Up until the 11th hour, there were calls to punish us for daring to question if Hillary would be the one. I do not apologize for the fact that given a choice between Hillary and Obama, I chose Obama, despite the fact he did not make the left turn that this country needed, the left turn Hillary made it clear she would not take.

Sorry to say, comments like her "we came, we saw, he died"comment about Gaddafi have not done anything to convince me that she learned any lessons; experience does not always mean you do not enjoy repeating the same mistakes, especially when you never thought they were mistakes. However, my disagreements about Hillary do not mean I think her supporters are bigots/scum.

[Beacool]

106. That comment was taken out of context.

CBS was interviewing her and asked her if her trip to Libya a mere three days prior to Gaddafi's death was the reason he was captured. Hillary was being sarcastic when she responded the way she did. She was implying that the idea that her presence in Libya had anything to do with Gaddafi's death was preposterous. Anyone who knows her, recognized it for what it was. That exchange was off the record, but Hillary's response made it to the internet. The reporter's question is never fully shown.

This is the only clip I found that shows more than just her now infamous remark.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20123348-503544/clinton-on-qaddafi-we-came-we-saw-he-died/

[DonCoquixote]

121. Honestly

For someone so experienced, how already knew that if she said "up" the press would say "down", why would she say something that not only sounded bad, but could have inflamed the Arab World? Someone experienced would have told Hillary "ease up on the jokes!"

[Beacool]

123. She's only human. They all make mistakes.

Yeah, it would have been better not to have said anything.

[DonCoquixote]

129. Or simply not to make a joke out of someone dying

But of course, she was too "experienced" not to do that.

[Beacool]

132. Do you have to be sarcastic about everything?

[DonCoquixote]

136. No, but

When you are dealing with the Mid east, people have been so irate at everything that you know you cannot joke, because they can KILL people.

[grasswire]

90. beer and travel money

that's what I miss.

[Ellipsis]

95. hahaaahahah... perfect timing.

[HiPointDem]

99. word has it that poster is still here under different management.

[grasswire]

105. I hope so. nt

[progressoid]

108. Hmmm...

now you're making me wonder...

[rug]

107. See, this is why we need PRISM.

Somebody will always know where we are at all times.

[JI7]

113. FrenchieCat was a Huge supporter of Wes Clark

in 2004 frenchiecat supported Wes Clark in the Primary and she was very passionate in her support .

but for some reason when she supported Obama the attacks against her became far worse and more personal.

[Eleanors38]

120. FrenchieCat & Jackeen were respectful posters in the RKBA group. I miss them.

[DonCoquixote]

122. Hey fC

From your old friend (and fellow punching bag) DQm please do not leave, we cannot let certain people run this ship in 2014 and 2016 (especially 2016 when their mantra will be "see, if only that young boy Obama bowed down in 2008, he would have been a good president now, under Bill and Hill's guidance."

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

126. Probably sitting around wondering why we're still here on DU. I wonder myself...

[mahina]

130. Guessing, till she tells us, but for myself,

I post less here because I post less and say less generally.

I used to get into battles, but have learned not to get baited into wasting my time, mostly.

Because of twitter and facebook, there are other ways to communicate that didn't exist before.
Neither of those or anything else will replace DU for me. I appreciate DU as a left-leaning news aggregator, with great info in various fora that I still make lots and lots of time for and find irreplaceable.

Yes, DU has been infiltrated by assholes, and lots of wingers, in my opinion, wasting our time running us down and trying to demoralize us. I just don't have time for it, so I don't post a lot.

I'm still here though, and I bet Frenchie is too.

[boilerbabe]

135. probsbly compiling picture threads on Obama Diaries.com with Jackeens!

I suspect she posts om Democratsforprogress.com as well. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz