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kpete

(72,005 posts)
Sun Feb 12, 2012, 11:59 PM Feb 2012

mine, mine, mine (Conservatism is a fraud)

This interesting article from the NY Times backs up what many on the left have said for some time. The right is jam-packed with hypocrites when it comes to the social safety net. They aren’t, in fact, rugged individualists out of some Ayn Rand novel, but in fact just like everyone else — benefitting from the safety net they demonize as socialism:



Even Critics of Safety Net Increasingly Depend on It

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Ki Gulbranson owns a logo apparel shop, deals in jewelry on the side and referees youth soccer games. He makes about $39,000 a year and wants you to know that he does not need any help from the federal government.

He says that too many Americans lean on taxpayers rather than living within their means. He supports politicians who promise to cut government spending. In 2010, he printed T-shirts for the Tea Party campaign of a neighbor, Chip Cravaack, who ousted this region’s long-serving Democratic congressman.

Yet this year, as in each of the past three years, Mr. Gulbranson, 57, is counting on a payment of several thousand dollars from the federal government, a subsidy for working families called the earned-income tax credit. He has signed up his three school-age children to eat free breakfast and lunch at federal expense. And Medicare paid for his mother, 88, to have hip surgery twice.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/12/us/even-critics-of-safety-net-increasingly-depend-on-it.html?adxnnl=1&partner=rss&emc=rss&adxnnlx=1329062548-%20tHqYD695U16BxIMYX6niA&pagewanted=all#

via:
http://www.oliverwillis.com/2012/02/12/the-tea-party-loves-socialism-fakes-otherwise/
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brewens

(13,603 posts)
1. Interesting bit about Chip Cravaak in there.
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 12:17 AM
Feb 2012

"Mr. Cravaack has said he drew unemployment benefits during a furlough from Northwest in the early 1990s. He did not respond to several requests for an interview, nor to an e-mail with questions about his views and about whether his family has drawn on other benefits programs. This account is based on a review of his public statements."

So I assume "Chipper" sucked up quite a bit more in benefits than he's willing to admit to. These teabagger types really think they deserve anything they get. It's the "others" (minorities) that are the big drain on the system.

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
7. Would you give up $92K just to have to work again?
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 10:17 AM
Feb 2012

A $300.00 CPAC machine cures sleep apnea symptoms, seems he doesn't want to be cured and would rather be disabled, voluntarily.

mopinko

(70,154 posts)
9. actually a decent one is close to $1k with supplies.
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 11:28 AM
Feb 2012

i'm just saying. and most people do hate them.

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
11. Not his cost. I'd be willing to bet he doesn't pay close to 100% for apparatus with his insurance.
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 11:54 AM
Feb 2012

Most people I know that use them either hate them because they never get used to them, or love them because they never realized that they hadn't had a decent night's sleep in years.





 

provis99

(13,062 posts)
5. the land of massive hypocrites.
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 12:49 AM
Feb 2012

Government benefits for me, but not for those lazy people down the street! Give me government money, and cut my taxes, too!
Give me three times in social security what I paid into it; let the young pay!

We need to split up the country between reasonable people and conservatives.

OnionPatch

(6,169 posts)
8. Boy isn't that the truth
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 11:08 AM
Feb 2012

They're totally fine with taking benefits that help them or their families because they are God's chosen people, hardworking, good and moral Not like those people down the road. (Or more likely, in the OTHER neighborhood across town.) In other words, they confirm what we always knew about them.....they believe they are better and more deserving than everyone else. Elitists.

The Genealogist

(4,723 posts)
6. I've seen first-hand just how RWers suck up the fruits of liberal policies
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 01:11 AM
Feb 2012

They bitch about librul this and librul that, and "democrat party" blah blah blah out one side of their mouths, and plot how to exploit the latest government assistance program.

bluedeminredstate

(3,322 posts)
10. My Boss
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 11:29 AM
Feb 2012

I work for a man who rails against Libruls, Obama, Muslims, government and taxes. Right now his wife is in hospice through her Medicare. Hospice provides all her meds, supplies like chux pads, diapers, liquid nutrition and CNA and RN visits several times weekly. He's irritated that hospice doesn't provide an item that he has to buy himself. It really gets under his skin that he has to spend 10 bucks a week on this item and just loves all the "freebies" he's now getting from hospice.

It hasn't crossed his mind that the government is providing this service to him and his wife; the same government help he begrudges poor people, food stamp recipients, etc.. He is a classic Fox News conservative. He is easily riled up by the beef of the day on Fox and is constantly spouting falsehoods he's heard on right-wing radio. I try to ignore him as best I can, but his willingness to milk the system for his family's benefit while he bitches about society's leeches makes me furious. It's the classic screw-you-I-got-mine attitude of the wingers.

onethatcares

(16,177 posts)
13. I worked with a person that was like that.
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 12:35 PM
Feb 2012

he was another carpenter that had a son that was on medicaid and every program you could possibly think of. He used every available item including cnas, visiting nurses and what ever else was available.

One day he was beefing about how the "illegals" were getting everything this country had to offer and taking advantage of the system.

It pissed me off and I told him so, told him that he was being a hypocrite and to shut up. It got really quiet on the jobsite and surprisingly about a month later there wasn't enough work to keep another carpenter busy(that would be me).

bye-bye job.

Arkansas Granny

(31,522 posts)
12. Well, that's just lovely, isn't it. Cut benefits to the poor, but give me mine because
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 12:35 PM
Feb 2012

I really need them.

Patiod

(11,816 posts)
14. This article kept me awake last night
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 02:16 PM
Feb 2012

Shouldn't read stuff like this right before bed.

So frustrating.

 

glowing

(12,233 posts)
15. Plus he drives on roads and has clean drinking water and protection on his money in the bank.
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 06:29 PM
Feb 2012

Idiots, the whole lot of them. So worried someone else somehow is gaming the system and getting something for "free" that he hasn't figured out how to get himself.

On the other hand, the working and lower middle class often have to turn to credit cards when times get tough. Because they bitch about "free" money going to poor people, the paperwork and hoops they would have to jump thru in order to try and get some help is ridiculous... and they still "make too much" to receive in many cases. Pay hasn't kept up with the costs of living and this economic downturn has been really rough on the lower and middle class. They are wondering where their tax money is going now that they need a helping hand and its not their for them. They can't put 2 and 2 together about the policies policing "free help" because Republicans whoop up the rhetoric about taxes every election season.

We need some fairness in the system.. A govt that works for the people and not just the incredibly wealthy.

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