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[taught_me_patience]

1. Simple solution is to not eat that crap n/t

[handmade34]

8. ...

[DainBramaged]

15. And you were named crap judge when?

[closeupready]

22. Here's a list of Oreo ingredients:

SUGAR
UNBLEACHED ENRICHED FLOUR (WHEAT FLOUR, NIACIN, REDUCED IRON, THIAMINE MONONITRATE {VITAMIN B1}, RIBOFLAVIN {VITAMIN B2}, FOLIC ACID)
HIGH OLEIC CANOLA AND/OR PALM AND/OR CANOLA OIL
COCOA (PROCESSED WITH ALKALI)
HIGH FRUCTOSE CORN SYRUP
LEAVENING (BAKING SODA AND/OR CALCIUM PHOSPHATE)
CORNSTARCH
SALT
SOY LECITHIN
VANILLIN--AN ARTIFICIAL FLAVOR
CHOCOLATE

http://www.snackworks.com/products/product-detail.aspx?product=4400007274

[DainBramaged]

30. You still don't get it do you?

Go preach to someone else. As a person who occasionally likes a 3Musketeers or Oreo, don't try to push your brand of purity on me or anyone else.


Meh x 3

[taught_me_patience]

49. If you only eat it occasionally, then why complain about an extra $1.50?

Meanwhile, I've been tracking the price of broccoli for the last six years. In 2006, broccoli crowns were $1.50 - $1.80/lb. They are still exactly in the same price range seven years later.

[DainBramaged]

69. Meh

did you know insects pee on your broccoli? Dogs, cats, mice, moles, birds poop, no one is safe..........


And it sounds just as foolish as your chastising those of us who love Oreos.


Go eat .......

[WovenGems]

57. Purity

Purity has no brand. Artificial means it is crap. There is no excuse to use vanillin when vanilla extract is easily obtained. You want decadent then make home made Hostess Cupcakes. Those be WOW!!!!!

[RC]

41. HIGH FRUCTOSE CORN SYRUP : I stop reading right there and put them back on the shelf.

[closeupready]

43. Ditto. Or "Made in China".

No thanks.

[ieoeja]

51. Vitamins, Soy, real Chocolate, enriched flour and a relatively healthy choice of oil?

Poor - SUGAR
Good - UNBLEACHED ENRICHED FLOUR (WHEAT FLOUR, NIACIN, REDUCED IRON, THIAMINE MONONITRATE {VITAMIN B1}, RIBOFLAVIN {VITAMIN B2}, FOLIC ACID)
Good - HIGH OLEIC CANOLA AND/OR PALM AND/OR CANOLA OIL
Good - COCOA (PROCESSED WITH ALKALI)
Bad - HIGH FRUCTOSE CORN SYRUP
Good - LEAVENING (BAKING SODA AND/OR CALCIUM PHOSPHATE)
Good - CORNSTARCH
Good - SALT
Good - SOY LECITHIN
Poor - VANILLIN--AN ARTIFICIAL FLAVOR
Good - CHOCOLATE

What the heck are you complaining about? This is healthier that I would have thought.

[closeupready]

65. Devil's in the details, though.

obviously, you're entitled to your opinion, but the flour is a simple carb to which they are required to add vitamins BACK IN to the final product, lol. The canola oil is likely from GMO ingredients. Cornstarch, certainly not good - again, a simple carb, this time without any added nutrients.

The only ingredient I think of as 'good' automatically here is the cocoa and chocolate - but if you are aware of how cocoa beans are grown and brought to market, then even THAT is a debatable point.

Enjoy! (obviously, this is not an earth-shattering matter, and I tuck in to stuff like this on occasion, even Oreos.)

[hfojvt]

25. you make it sound like

people can somehow survive and enjoy life without over-priced processed junk food.

Did you forget the tag?

[gvstn]

52. Crap?

Are you a Commie or sumthin'?

http://www.google.com/#biw=1920&bih=952&sclient=psy-ab&q=america%27s+favorite+cookie&oq=america%27s+fa&gs_l=hp.1.3.0l4.1606.5391.0.9061.12.6.0.6.6.0.215.916.0j5j1.6.0...0.0...1c.1.17.psy-ab.cJ5W5Z0LFrM&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&bvm=bv.47883778,d.dmg&fp=cec65b98a65c9fbb

[progressoid]

59. The same packaging and pricing game is going on with other foods as well.

[Egalitarian Thug]

60. Hey now, watch it bud. The "freedom" to eat toxins is nearly as cherished as the "right"

to spend your life waiting to find out which has-been is going to be judged the best dancer by the panel of washed up and forgotten pseudo-celebrities.

You take your life in your hands if you dare mess with our uniquely American circus.

[onehandle]

2. I loved Chips Ahoy when I was a kid. Then I had some a couple of years ago.

To say my tastes have matured is an understatement, unless they purposefully added the taste of moldy cardboard to the recipe.

[JW2020]

9. No kidding

they look feel and taste like they have been in a cupboard for 10 years

[OriginalGeek]

10. I'm not saying your tastes haven't matured

but they have definitely changed how they make Chips Ahoy - I just don't know if the moldy cardboard was intended or a by-product of something else. They are also much smaller cookies. I think that was a product of each cookie being stepped on by sweaty goblin feet right before it goes into the package.

[WCGreen]

11. Back then they used lard to bake them cookies and now it's non-fat oils...

They taste like crap now...

[SoCalDem]

93. Mother's Cookies used to be good too.. now they are like sawdust

Since our boys are grown up, I rarely buy stuff like that, but about a month ago I saw them & thought why not.. Now I know why not ...ugh.. I actually threw the package away..

Even Oroweat has "improved" their pricey Oatnut bread to the point that I cannot justify buying it anymore.. It used to be a substantial bread & now it's flimsy and pretty tasteless..

[FSogol]

3. We did a family taste test and discovered that everyone preferred most generic

versions of Oreos to the real things. They are still cheap and come in larger packs.

Never liked Chips Ahoy. Any home baked chocolate chip cookie is superior at a fraction of the cost. We make the dough, scoop it into balls and freeze them. The kids bake a tray full (or two) whenever they have friends over.

Closest smilie to the FSogol Clan scarfing down all the cookies:

[closeupready]

6. Oh, wow - I never thought about freezing cookie dough.

Thanks!!!

By the way, do you have to defrost, and how does it compare in texture to fresh made?

[FSogol]

7. Don't preheat the oven. They'll defrost as the oven warms up.

Edited to add, as long as they are wrapped up well in the freezer, there is no difference.

[haele]

35. Famous Amos makes a sandwich cookie that tastes like the old Hydrox.

And the Newman's best brand is pretty tasty, also.

Haele

[Robb]

4. You'd prefer 22 oz at a higher price?

How much has the cost outpaced inflation? Honest question, I have no idea.

[closeupready]

5. Americans are obese because, in part, overconsumption of

stuff like that.

I'm fine if they want to raise the price to $10.99.

Maybe have an apple instead.

[DainBramaged]

12. It has EVERYTHING to do with occasionally enjoying a treat, not your self-righteous indignation

over America's weight problem.

How pure are thou.......


Meh.

[haele]

40. Well, if you down a package in one day, there's your problem.

But there's nothing wrong with two (three if you're older) Oreos and an 8-oz of milk as a mid-afternoon treat, interchangable with the same amount of Fig Newtons. That's how I grew up (well, whenever we had money).
Never gained weight as a kid - or as a working adult - eating that way. So a 15 oz bag isn't half bad if you keep your serving size down to two or three a day.
It's scarfing down the 2-serving 6-pack of Oreos in the gedunk machines twice a day that starts to cause weight trouble.

Haele

[closeupready]

42. And that's exactly what some people do.

Or the equivalent.

Many people don't seem to care that they are obese. Or if they do, not enough to put down the Oreos after 3.

[sinkingfeeling]

13. Reduced weight packaging is true for everything that's pre-packaged.

Meat, fresh food, and liquid measures have basically stayed the same. I keep waiting for my 'gallon' of milk to slip to 60 oz.

[DainBramaged]

14. Half gallons of everyting are becoming 1.5 liters

Orange juice in 48-54 oz. bottles are becoming prevalent in the stores I go to.

[Gormy Cuss]

44. But we're not supposed to notice it and their market research probably proves that

fewer people care about smaller packages than care about higher costs per package.

[louis-t]

77. I've written or called several companies about this.

When the tea companies shrunk the number of teabags (overnight) from 24 to 20, I contacted Bigelow. Their response was, and I quote, "Our customers said they wanted more convenient packaging". I'm not kidding.

When the tuna companies shrunk the can from 7 oz. to 6.5 to 6 and finally 5 oz., I called Starkist. Their response to my question "How long before we are buying 1 oz. cans of tuna?", and I quote, "We took out mostly liquid."

[Kali]

88. OMG!

"We took out mostly liquid."

[kentauros]

16. When I buy cookies like that at all,

I buy Newman-O's (the mint ones.) Yeah, they're a little more expensive, but it's not like I'm buying them every week or few days, either.

And they're organic

[cbdo2007]

17. You have to look for sales.

Our local Target had Oreos on sale a few weeks ago for 19oz for $1.99 so if you shop around you can definitely find deals.

The problem is that everywhere has sales on different stuff and MOST people don't look for sales and pay attention to what they're paying for which items and plan ahead, so most people pay the normal price for stuff, subsidizing it for the rest of us who DO do our homework on this stuff.

[boomer55]

18. Don't eat corporate processed foods

Make ur own healthy cookies from natural ingredients

[Tracer]

19. When did bags of sugar get downsized to 4 pounds instead of 5?

Now you get a smaller bag at nearly the same price.

[hatrack]

21. Oh, and anybody try and buy a "pound" of coffee lately?

"Pound"? What is "pound" you speak of? Do not know it!

[taught_me_patience]

54. Coffee has been sold in standard 12oz sizes for over ten years now n/t

[hobbit709]

95. It's now 10 oz.

Of course I don't buy canned coffee. Most of that is floor sweepings.

[tammywammy]

33. I remember that change in the 90s

I always went grocery shopping with my mom and I remember her going on and on for a long time about how Imperial Sugar changed from 5 lbs to 4 lbs and kept the price the same "they just think no one will notice...."

[Dreamer Tatum]

20. You do realize you're just teeing up the ball for the purists, right?

"You shouldn't eat cookies at ALL! Especially KKKorporate McFructose KKKookies!"

(while they suck on a Marlboro, probably)

[FSogol]

27. I heard that Oreos report who buys them to the NSA.

Obama has a big list which he checks every night to see who eats double-stuffed.

[Johonny]

47. You are in on the Hydrox conspiracy

Big cookie will on the look out for you.

[n2doc]

23. I just wait for a "2 for 1" sale

They happen fairly frequently. I agree prices are so high for most things that I really have to watch what I buy and target sales.

[RebelOne]

72. Me too. I shop at Kroger here in North Georgia.

They always have buy 1 get 1 free sales. And if you only buy 1 of the item it is half price.

[historylovr]

24. They've been doing this for years to other products.

A gallon of bleach reduced to 3 quarts. 1/2 gallon of ice cream is now 1.5 quarts. A 5 pound bag of sugar is now 4 pounds. Cans of soup reduced to 10 3/4 oz, when they used to contain 14. (May not be the right number exactly, but I have recipes from several years ago that would call for one can of soup at about that measurement.) They think we don't notice, but we do. Everything is being slowly reduced in weight and size but the price remains the same or goes up.

And that's the larger point I wish the OP had made, because the discussion is devolving into what's bad to eat. Yes, we know we shouldn't eat it, but we're being shafted and not just because some of us have the bad habit of consuming processed foods. We're paying MORE for LESS.

[DainBramaged]

48. "Yes, we know we shouldn't eat it, but we're being shafted "

Something the purity squad fails to acknowledge.......


Thank you


That was my point yet I am amazed how so many 'smart' people don't get it here.

[Little Star]

62. It is shameful when people derail a thread.....

They get it, they are just looking for attention and they swarm in like a bunch of asses.

[DainBramaged]

63. It's the purity crowd telling US what we should eat and what is garbage

........but I eat garbage according to them.............because a couple of oreos are shit........the same people who deny soda to people on food stamps, big gulps in NYC, and Oreo's to old men;


meh to them all meh meh meh.

[onyourleft]

26. Hydrox were...

...better.

[Owl]

83. Indeed they were.

[Sherman A1]

28. If you can find them in your area

The "Everyday Essential" Brand (try stores supplied by Super Valu)is just as good and locally they are $1.79 alternately the brand at Aldi is just about as good, not exactly but might be worth a try.

[tavernier]

39. Aldi

World's best kept secret

[Turbineguy]

31. This is the same sort of problem people in the Soviet Union faced.

http://www.amazon.com/The-Rosa-Luxemburg-Contraceptives-Cooperative/dp/B001L3TWK4/ref=sr_1_cc_1?s=aps&ie=UTF8&qid=1371656365&sr=1-1-catcorr&keywords=the+rosa+luxemburg+contraceptive

[former9thward]

32. It is a way to hide inflation.

The government claims inflation is next to nothing so they won't have to pay COLAs to people on S.S.

[DainBramaged]

37. Good point, if the product shrinks, voila no inflation, just DEflation LOLOLOLOL

[Safetykitten]

34. All hail the Bernank! No inflation!

[graham4anything]

36. Wellness. Do not eat this. Eat some veggies instead. And Kids should never eat any of it.

[tavernier]

38. The generic at publix

are way better and cheaper

[tridim]

45. More for less certainly sucks, but I do love that package with the sealable top flap.

[zappaman]

46. Damn you Obama!!!!

I'm not voting for him next time!!!!

[raccoon]

50. White Rain hair spray recently came up with a "new design" bottle, of course smaller than

the old one.

PS -- I don't think it has high fructose corn syrup in it.

[stopbush]

53. And yet the country seems obsessed with things other than the price of Oreos.

Americans have no sense of priority.

BTW - anybody know what Oreos cost the last time they thought they had found the remains of Jimmy Hoffa?

[FSogol]

55. You mean last Monday?

http://sync.democraticunderground.com/10023034411

[stopbush]

58. No. I meant they last time they came up empty on Hoffa. Today's news says

the latest excavation found nothing.

[datasuspect]

56. that garbage ass shit isn't food anyway.

it's poison.

[rrneck]

61. It gets worse.

I recall a news item about "diet portions" for people who can't seem to "eat just one". They were smaller portions of high calorie snacks packaged in smaller quantities, for more money. And people actually bought it.

[corkhead]

64. nothing new

I remember Juicy-Fruit gum coming in 5 stick packs for a nickel. Then they went a way and "Jumbo" 7-packs took their place, but they were now 10 cents. My fledgling math skills told me this was not as exciting news as they were trying to convince me.

They weren't going to get anything past this 7 year old I tell ya.

[SheilaT]

66. Baking cookies, cakes, and brownies from scratch is

incredibly easy. Okay, so making a sandwich cookie like oreos would be more complicated, but still.

I live alone and I like to bake, so occasionally I'll make cookies or a cake and bring it in to work. It's genuinely embarrassing how much my co-workers love what I bring. It's obvious that they have rarely, if ever, had something made from scratch. My stuff doesn't have that chemical taste you get from mixes.

Cookies tend to freeze well, so sometimes I'll selfishly make an entire batch of chocolate chip cookies for myself and freeze them, taking out one at a time. Yummm.

[WinkyDink]

67. What the market will bear.

[Triana]

68. It's epidemic. Whole Foods no longer sells Good Friends cereal or Silk Soymilk....

...they've replaced these items on their shelves with their OWN house brand of these things -- which isn't as good, is in smaller packages - AND COSTS AS MUCH OR MORE THAN THE LARGER SIZE NAME BRANDS.

F*ck that. I go to Kroger and get name brands.

It's an epidemic, unfortunately.

[DainBramaged]

70. Why the fuck do those of you who think lambasting me for eating Oreos have the right to do so?

This thread was about hidden inflation, not your goddamn need to push your brand of purity on myself and the rest of us, so go pat yourselves on the back, your brand of bullshit wins the day.

[closeupready]

71. It's one thing to complain about eggs or, say, onions.

Those are essential foods.

It's another entirely to complain about a junk snack food that, @ $4.99 per pack, costs as much as the daily food budget for many poor people in the US (if they are on food stamps).

Essentially, Oreo's are a non-essential fun food that could be considered a luxury.

You've taken offense at the views here that don't completely conform to your's, but do you know what a discussion board is, in the first place? Everyone's comments were basically about the topic, not about you personally.

[HappyMe]

76. Meh. I wouldn't worry about them.

People always show up and holler about stuff they think others shouldn't eat. The preachier they are, the less attention I pay.

Moderation in all things.

[Prism]

73. Mmm, inception cookies

Wrap Oreos in chocolate chip cookie dough and bake.

I don't make them often, but hell yes.

[hunter]

74. I'll have an inexpensive union made beer, thank you.

Something cold and alcoholic, mass produced in giant tanks from inexpensive grains.

Sometimes that's all it takes to make me happy.

I'm sure that's how people feel about their Oreos too.

[LanternWaste]

75. Yours is a tragically tough world.

Yours is a tragically tough world. never in the history of humanity have the habits of others been subjected to the ridicule of others... until now.

[MineralMan]

78. You didn't like the response, so you edited your OP and turned

it into a Meta thread, whining about DU? Nice work...

[Lex]

79. I was wondering if the OP actually made sense at one point.

Neat little trick there.

[MineralMan]

81. You can see the original post, complaining about the

high cost of Oreo brand cookies. It seems that several people advised eating more healthful foods, instead, which did not sit well with the OP. So, he changed the OP into a Metawhine. Brilliant!

[DainBramaged]

94. It's none of your business pal

you only show up with personal attacks and shit for constructive comments.


I'll delete it now so you have noting but air to reply to.

[bvar22]

80. The WINNERS are the ones who have decided to reduce or eliminate...

..pre-packaged food like substances from their diet.
Those are the WINNERS.

You may choose to join them....or not.
I certainly don't care what you choose to do,
and I don't really think that anybody else does either.

[DevonRex]

86. It's not just cookies. It's everything. Even whole grain pasta.

I don't make my own pasta. Most people don't when they can get a really good organic whole wheat or spelt or brown rice (my favorite) at the health food store. But when you grab your usual brand and take it home to make baked ziti, only to find it's 12 oz instead of 16 oz in the same size damn box, it can piss a person off.

[DevonRex]

82. Hey, I agree with you. The packaging stunts are insulting.

Remember half gallons of ice cream? Now they all have tapering containers with lids. As if we don't know that the tapering cuts out the ice cream that used to be there.

And a pound of coffee? Even spaghetti and other pasta. If your recipe calls for a pound, for baked ziti or something, you have to make sure to check the box. Because your usual breaks might have suddenly changed to 12 oz. It makes a difference.

[duffyduff]

84. The health food fanatics are the worst

I always trash threads that bellyache about the alleged "obesity epidemic," the alleged joys of veganism, and animal rights threads which display no concern over animals but instead are avenues to force a vegan lifestyle on people.

To hell with them. They aren't right anyway.

The concerns over "diet" are largely based on quackery. I have read this nonsense for decades.

[boomer55]

85. or better eating = healthier peope which = lower health care costs

one way to look at it

[petronius]

87. Sort of tangential, but what really gets me is when manufacturers use or switch

to containers that make it harder to extract all of the product - all I can figure is that they're encouraging waste to make you buy more. Tapering containers, squeeze tubes with big rigid tops, oddly shaped tubs etc may look distinctive, but I often end up dissecting them to get the last bit of what I already spent too much on.

As for the stealth inflation, it would be interesting to know if there are patterns in the products it gets applied to: mostly junk food? Mostly staples? Broadly distributed? We've specifically noticed it affect us in coffee, sugar, cereal, and bread...

[Arcanetrance]

89. Personally I don't buy prepackaged cookies

Mostly because I enjoy baking my own. Personally I never developed a taste for oreos or most of the sandwich cookies. I don't see what the fuss is about if people aren't devouring a package a day and those that do it doesn't matter if its oreos or something healthier binge eating isn't good for you.

[liberal_at_heart]

90. They are no better than anybody else. They like to think they are, but they are not.

[redqueen]

91. I hope you're not too surprised. It is so popular here to actively ignore substance.

Nevermind that the same is true for super super healthy cereals and foods of all kinds... too many people just can't pass up a chance to ... not comment on the substance of your OP.

[Puzzledtraveller]

92. Whatchoo talkin bout Willis?