General Discussion
Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI have a big problem with some of you and ProSense.
This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by uppityperson (a host of the General Discussion forum).
This person posts stuff, as do I. Love it or leave it, but get over it! We are allowed on DU to share info; I thought that was what this place was about?
Don't like it? Move on. Don't disparage good people. Karma...
And thank you, Pro, for being such a smart advocate!
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)Oh that's right. No one is challenging her right to post stuff.
Electric Monk
(13,869 posts)
Kolesar
(31,182 posts)You have the skill to link a photo. How impressive
reformist2
(9,841 posts)sheshe2
(97,408 posts)reformist2
(9,841 posts)Part of free speech is letting everyone have a chance to have their say. And that doesn't happen if some people are talking non-stop, all-day-long, 24/7.
sheshe2
(97,408 posts)reformist2, I could not agree with you more!
You really do not need me to link the posts 24/7 on Snowden hero of the people....Obama worse than Bush...and Greenwald Greenwald our savior.
Do I?! Dozens day and night over and over. Are those Okay with you?
HangOnKids
(4,291 posts)Greenwald has been proclaimed "our savior?" Really?
MADem
(135,425 posts)Maybe you should use it?
reformist2
(9,841 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)really mean it and aren't just spitting into the wind.
Let me make a prediction--your recommendation will not be adopted. Imagine what such an awful rule would have done to gone-but-not-forgotten gems like Kephra?
But off you go, make your case, and here's a link to make your path smoother: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=post&forum=1259
dlwickham
(3,316 posts)you're a guest on DU just like the rest of us
if you don't like the way the admins run the site, you can always find another one more to your liking
alittlelark
(19,138 posts)Are u for real?
MADem
(135,425 posts)Which isn't a very civil way to behave.
If this were elementary school, that sort of thing would be called "bullying."
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)They are a waste of my time. I am not going to chase one blue link after another to suss out what she is trying to say. She either puts up without the self-referential posts or I am out of engaging with her.
MADem
(135,425 posts)arguments is a bit hyper-controlling, IMO.
You can either jump in and participate, or eschew.
I don't think it's appropriate for people to toss insults, as I said, but I also don't think it's appropriate to tell people how they are allowed to make their case. It's just not valid to say "I don't like your use of citations to make a point" when way too many people here don't offer any links at all.
I happen to like links, I click, I learn.
To each his own--or her own, for that matter. There's always HIDE THREAD if you aren't feeling it, and IGNORE if you just can't deal at all.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)click on her blue links and to present her argument in the "here and now." If she is unwilling to do that, then I leave it alone.
And yes. I am aware of the HIDE THREAD and the IGNORE feature. If you are lucky, there a some DUers reading your post who were ignorant of such and are rushing to employ those features, of which they were previously clueless, tout suite.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Mojorabbit
(16,020 posts)I only use it when I just can't take it anymore and then capitulate. . She is one. It makes the experience here so much more pleasurable. Life is too short to waste time following blue links that lead nowhere in the end.
Moosepoop
(2,075 posts)The major problem you and some others I have seen is that ProSense's links are blue.
Would her links be OK if they were, say, red? How about green? Orange? Plaid??
I've seen you post links, as well -- and perhaps I shouldn't tell you this, for fear of causing you some sort of mental anguish -- but... your links are blue, too...
I hope your head didn't just explode...
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)Thanks for playing.
Moosepoop
(2,075 posts)Try to keep up.
sheshe2
(97,408 posts)They have nothing!
http://sync.democraticunderground.com/10022757642#post104
For a laugh check out post # 60/71 and 74~
PufPuf23
(9,822 posts)admittedly part in sarcasm.
DU does not suppress a wide and reasonable range of opinion.
Some of us oldsters are canaries in the coal mine.
JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)Could I throw out 12 or 20 nearly identical talking points a day and pretend it's not a campaign to dominate GD in the face of my opinions not actually being the majority's? Sure! Why wouldn't I be allowed to get away with that? Why doesn't it interest me?
Union Scribe
(7,099 posts)This airing of grievances seems a bit early.
Response to Union Scribe (Reply #2)
Post removed
Union Scribe
(7,099 posts)Kolesar
(31,182 posts)Union Scribe
(7,099 posts)I assure you I'm not worth blowing a blood vessel over.
babylonsister
(172,743 posts)Union Scribe
(7,099 posts)I take it you aren't a Seinfeld fan. It was just the wording you used was very similar to the character Frank Costanza, whose made-up holiday Festiuvs had an "airing of grievances" segment that he began "I got a lot of problems with you people!" It was offered in a light-hearted manner I promise.
babylonsister
(172,743 posts)Union Scribe
(7,099 posts)I shouldn't drop a joke in right away when someone's trying to make a point. That's how misunderstandings usually happen with me. Have a good night.
Response to babylonsister (Original post)
Name removed Message auto-removed
treestar
(82,383 posts)The personal attacks are unwarranted. And it is true she can take care of herself.
one_voice
(20,043 posts)again.
Kolesar
(31,182 posts)"again" ... well said
sheshe2
(97,408 posts)I have a secret admirer, that came out swinging after 5 days.
Wham bam and proceeded to tell me what I thought, then on a repost told me to leave this site.
Hmm someone said the same about them. Welcome again!
I smell something.
Well said Kolesar!
zeemike
(18,998 posts)And this thread seems to invite it....I wonder why that is.
Seems like some are angry because of the NSA thing and the others are angry at them for being angry at the NSA thing....so we have a crack and a wedge and now to drive it home.
Cha
(318,793 posts)and they've been hidden by more than one jury.
SidDithers
(44,333 posts)Come back again soon.
Sid
pnwmom
(110,254 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)And yet Prosense never gets mad and rarely if ever insults the posters who are always making fun of her and complaining about her "blue links" as if it is wrong to at least try to back up what you are saying. It's that they are so annoyed that the President they hate has any defense at all.
Response to treestar (Reply #5)
Name removed Message auto-removed
babylonsister
(172,743 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)Personal attacks aren't convincing.
sheshe2
(97,408 posts)Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)I'll refute Prosense original OPs all day long if I had the time. But I will not fall into the trap of arguing with her "blue link" spin from thread to thread. One DUer characterized it as playing with those increasingly smaller Russian dolls and I agree.
one_voice
(20,043 posts)because often times that's where the outside sources (links) are. It's probably easier to link to her DU posts than to search for all the other links. It's not that difficult to figure out. It's not like she links to a self written OP--there are always links to outside sources.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)with original content. Easier is a distraction. Make your case without leading your "opponent" to slog through an into an entirely old discussion.
one_voice
(20,043 posts)you need is there. Sounds like your complaining just to complain. What difference does it make if you click one link and see everything or she posts 5 links for you to see. You don't have to slog through anything.
You click a link and her post are always laid out nicely.
Sounds like you want to catered to....suck it up. If you're too lazy to click a link then you really don't want to debate, you're looking for a way out.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)you don't have to back it up with links to facts. When the other person does it and you can't, well, they know what that means and it infuriates them.
sheshe2
(97,408 posts)Do you mean to say that when she posts a recant to~
Snowden snowden snowden....hero hero hero
and
Obama obama obama fail fail fail...worse than bush
that ProSense is linking to an entirely old discussion!
Seriously............
They are running up and down GD on a daily basis!
One after another, on and on and on!
IMHO, WOW!
pscot
(21,044 posts)that hate the Prez meme. I'm sure there are DUers who hate Obama, but the number is vanishingly small. It is possible to have a political disagreement without hating someone. You can't simply dismiss all criticsm as mere personal antipathy. It's dismissive and it angers people. And when this kind of stuff gets personalized, any hope of understanding one another goes out the window. In the words of a great American, can't we all just get along?
BlueStreak
(8,377 posts)Many of us do get the feeling that a certain element on this board imposes a "purity test" that amounts to supporting unconditionally everything Obama does and says. And these same people seem to be the ones who recently have bombarded this place with hundreds of threads that were nothing but ad hominem attacks on Snowden.
While I don't believe ad hominem attacks on third parties violate the DU TOU, I find it offensive, and a shallow attempt to distract from the core issues Snowden raised. And why come with those red herrings? Apparently because there is no real defense for the positions this President is taking on this issue.
I can still love Obama for some other things, but I will not stand with him where he is right now.
treestar
(82,383 posts)Starts to stink to high heaven after a while.
okaawhatever
(9,565 posts)NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)Making fun of blue links, calling her a shill.
The truth is that her posts are among the most well written and well-sourced posts one can find on DU.
So good are they that arguments fall flat, very few can respond in kind, so many respond with insults.
It's just another one of those things that makes DU suck.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x8319664
babylonsister
(172,743 posts)people argue about she/he v. what she posts, I am shocked. DU needs to come to grips and get off the outrage mobile.
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)At Mon Jun 17, 2013, 04:54 PM an alert was sent on the following post:
NYT editor's blog: Snowdens Questionable New Turn
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023034825
REASON FOR ALERT:
This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate. (See <a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=aboutus#communitystandards" target="_blank">Community Standards</a>.)
ALERTER'S COMMENTS:
75th post about the same topic today. For the jury this is "otherwise inappropriate" because this paid shill has been spamming DU all day with this nonsense...
You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Mon Jun 17, 2013, 05:07 PM, and the Jury voted 0-6 to LEAVE IT.
Pathetic.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,454 posts)babylonsister
(172,743 posts)has educated me. I love this person, and the people who don't read what ProSense offers are the poorer for it.
Some of us try to educate. Is that so difficult to swallow?
malaise
(295,742 posts)Great
Number23
(24,544 posts)There was a point over the last few days that I saw one person's name I think as the OP of five different threads on the front page of GD. And it wasn't Prosense.
Well said SKP!
siligut
(12,272 posts)I tend to wonder where the contempt stems from. Is it because she is so articulate and informed that she somehow threatens them? Usually if a poster isn't to ones liking, one just ignores them. But I have seen posts lately that seek to discredit and curtail her posts.
BlueJazz
(25,348 posts)"ProSense..when walking through reality is becoming a drag"
Hydra
(14,459 posts)
babylonsister
(172,743 posts)Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)graham4anything
(11,464 posts)it is so highly ironic too.
Wish I myself could write as concise.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,454 posts)Cha
(318,793 posts)threads just to act like a grade school bully boy clique, babylonsistah.
mahalo for letting them know their posts say everything about them and nothing about ProSense. They have nothing to refute her message with so they attempt to slur. It makes them look
ProSense
Same for you after all these years, babylonsistah ~
The neener neener posts about your boyfriend! These were a while ago.
Really grade school or what!
Facts hurt them, Cha!
You know what, They can't handle the truth!
you are right the do look silly!
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)You guys are consistent and passionate about your issues. Sometimes I agree, sometimes I disagree. Strongly. But, I am with you -- everyone gets to post and air their opinions.
jazzimov
(1,456 posts)Whether you agree with her or not, at least she posts links that backs her up!
If you disagree with Pro, then you should back it up, Too!
(thank you babylonsis for posting this!)
demmiblue
(39,666 posts)demmiblue
(39,666 posts)Enough whining about other DUers!
If you want to do so, perhaps you should ask the admins to reinstate META. Otherwise, stick to the issues.
babylonsister
(172,743 posts)around here don't like the issues she/he sticks to. Tough.
And you alerted on this?
demmiblue
(39,666 posts)You are clearly not sticking to the issues. The sole purpose of your OP is WHINING about other DU members.
I am sure that many of us here are sick and tired of this type of OP.
Like I said, if you want to go about it this way, petition the admins to reinstate META. I know they won't, though, because they are also pretty sick and tired of this same type of bullshit.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)She deserves better than she's been getting lately.
Bobbie Jo
(14,344 posts)Love ya, Pro!
....and babylonsister,
DesMoinesDem
(1,569 posts)babylonsister
(172,743 posts)DesMoinesDem
(1,569 posts)Demo_Chris
(6,234 posts)babylonsister
(172,743 posts)Don't EVER post something from someone else without a link, and don't EVER link to certain sites. Well, through trial and error, I 'get' it. I remember one of my first attempts at sharing was a Krauthammer article. Oye, did I ever get lambasted! And learned. Pro has been here for many years. Stop trying to make this person less than she is, and less than what she contributes. Thanks.
Corruption Inc
(1,568 posts)People can make up their own minds, post without posting a link to something, discuss things rationally and can read the terms of service to understand what's expected on DU.
My observation of the poster mentioned in your OP is not favorable at all, regardless of how long they've posted here and regardless of your allegiance to them. None of what you posted changes the content of what that poster posts.
HangOnKids
(4,291 posts)Rock on brother.
quinnox
(20,600 posts)Awesome. Let the games begin!
Life Long Dem
(8,582 posts)
CakeGrrl
(10,611 posts)You'd think people could "Hide Thread" if something isn't to their liking - that's its purpose.
Safetykitten
(5,162 posts)in the dark. Comforting and always there.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)me all the time.
Fortunately I am not in that position.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Be able to prove who this person is in real life and that they are taking money from someone to post.
Safetykitten
(5,162 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)against Prosense to stand just because you "don't like her," GROW THE HELL UP.
Sid Dithers is another one. People post shit about Sid in threads he's NOT EVEN PARTICIPATING IN. And jurors let them stand. This kind of behavior is just completely immature and unnecessary.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)Safetykitten
(5,162 posts)you know the hilarious stuff.
Number23
(24,544 posts)the quality of their lives.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)I've had Prosense on ignore for years so it's no longer a problem for me. We all have people who we just can't stand. Ignoring is easier then constant bickering with people you will never agree with.
akbacchus_BC
(5,830 posts)her personal opinions! Correct me if am wrong!
This is DU, is it owned by someone else or by you?
Please clarify!
Safetykitten
(5,162 posts)to shine light in some cracks.
Cha
(318,793 posts)is wrong with bringing good interesting political articles to DU? That highlight what's actually going on in D.C?
I would not be seeing any of these articles if she hadn't posted them.. I have been educated politically over the years, thanks to ProSense, babylonsistah, and others who are dedicated posters.
tandot
(6,671 posts)Love it ... or leave it ... why is that so hard for some people.
sheshe2
(97,408 posts)Recommend!
Thank you, babylonsister.
This has been pissing me off, big time.
Well said!
Tx4obama
(36,974 posts)It is much appreciated by me.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)Love it or leave it, but get over it!
Don't like it? Move on.
It ain't gonna change, sister.
I mean this in the most amicable way possible.
cheapdate
(3,811 posts)It's why I come here -- to hear an intelligent exchange of ideas, arguments, and counter arguments.
longship
(40,416 posts)I too have noticed the childish responses in ProSense threads. I have on occasion taken some of them on for personal attacks.
My question is why such personal attacks pass DU standards. They really do make DU suck sometimes.
And those blue links are what makes a well resourced post. I appreciate them because they take some effort and make things easier for me. They are well appreciated.
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)This type of shit never used to fly when there was solid moderation, rather than a frothing lynch mob, looking out for basic civility on DU. Now the Reccing Crew know that they can probably land three of their ilk on a jury, so they say whatever. Some huge percentage of responses to ProSense's posts are now "this person is being paid" or some similar nonsense. As soon as I see somebody say that, I know I'm dealing with somebody who ProSense has absolutely destroyed in an argument, because only a pathetic loser would resort to such responses.
Safetykitten
(5,162 posts)alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)I said "Anyone who disagrees with ProSense lacks civility?" Where'd I say that? Only in your imagination. Plenty of people disagree with ProSense in perfectly civil ways. Indeed, many of them are commenting on this very thread.
However, I did say that anyone who accuses her of being a paid plant is pathetic loser, and I stand by that description 100%. Why, are you in the habit of accusing her of being a paid plant? Or worse, is that your definition of disagreement?
Safetykitten
(5,162 posts)madrchsod
(58,162 posts)throughout the years i have had issues with what she posted. most of the time i just did`t respond. in the last year or so i`ve agreed with what she has posted most of the time and actually told her so.
as for posting links to back up what she posts...try doing that sometime.
DevonRex
(22,541 posts)Prism
(5,815 posts)And figured DU was just passionate about oral hygiene.
Here is all you need to know - prosense was once referred to as "the linkosaurus" and it caused much widespread amusement, because it basically summed it up rather wittily.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)She can post all she wants...I just don't have to see it.
It works well for both of us. In fact, using that list has been a god send.
BlueStreak
(8,377 posts)Certainly "ignore" is an option. But I really don't like to ignore people. I only ignore those who I think:
a) are here just to make noise about a single issue (women's rights, gay rights, criticizing solar power, or what have you). I may support most of those positions, but I just don't have time for small-minded one-issue zealots from the right or from the left.
b) people who only seem to be interested in stirring up shit and never want to consider another point of view
I really don't like to ignore any others, and the people discussed above don't pass my "ignore test". It is a dilemma. How does one balance the desire to be open to others' viewpoints versus the feeling that a particular poster is consistently a waste of time?
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)It took me years to finally do it...and it worked well for both of us.
I admit I will use it more than some, but in some cases it is best.
Sognefjord
(229 posts)Yes, it will serve well to avert gnat bites from them and also lower one's blood pressure.
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)What are you talking about?
demmiblue
(39,666 posts)LibDemAlways
(15,139 posts)in some way with the Obama administration. She is a tireless advocate for the President -- as is her right. I have an equal right to disagree with or ignore her posts when I think she's wrong. No one here should have to "move on" simply because they disagree with a particular poster. I hope that's not really what you meant.
OnyxCollie
(9,958 posts)But don't expect respect.
That comes from principles, not servitude.
Mojorabbit
(16,020 posts)Corruption Inc
(1,568 posts)The principles at the core of all the issues is what used to identify people as democratic voters. It seems many people here (the shills) could care less about any issue other than blind loyalty, which is historically a republican principle. The "shills" are too blind to even see that and will never get any respect because of it.
DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)...and we're only allowed to look forward. Forward to SS cuts. Forward to Medicare cuts.
- And best of all, tax cuts for rich corporations to fill their Cayman accounts with!
Enrique
(27,461 posts)most of us just say what we think, we're not trying to spin each other.
quinnox
(20,600 posts)When I see a pro-sense thread, I usually just consider it like a white house press release. Something to look at and quickly move on...
frylock
(34,825 posts)<a href="whitehouse.gov">"Facts"</a>
JimDandy
(7,318 posts)A Pro-post for ProSense, which is really data for Meta. Apropo for someone who is proficient in posting pro-metadata threads.
SidDithers
(44,333 posts)Inb4 the completely inconsistent GD Hosts shut this thread down for being meta, while leaving other meta threads alone.
Sid
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)Puzzledtraveller
(5,937 posts)I always get a strand of meat stuck in my teeth. Eventually it works itself out if I'm unable to get it out with a toothpick. Sometimes I get carried away and so annoyed at it that I pick at it more often making it hurt worse and causing the gum to bleed when I should just take a breather and let it work itself out on it's own. Even though this is almost guaranteed to happen every time I eat pot roast I still eat it, despite the occasional irritant it is still worth it.