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babylonsister

(172,743 posts)
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 11:11 PM Jun 2013

I have a big problem with some of you and ProSense.

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by uppityperson (a host of the General Discussion forum).

This person posts stuff, as do I. Love it or leave it, but get over it! We are allowed on DU to share info; I thought that was what this place was about?

Don't like it? Move on. Don't disparage good people. Karma...

And thank you, Pro, for being such a smart advocate!

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I have a big problem with some of you and ProSense. (Original Post) babylonsister Jun 2013 OP
LET PROSENSE POST HER STUFF!!!! Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #1
funny memories Electric Monk Jun 2013 #17
Whatever that means Kolesar Jun 2013 #20
I have a problem with the QUANTITY of posts. It's too much. reformist2 Jun 2013 #27
Your reason being? nt sheshe2 Jun 2013 #53
My reason being that a few posters can totally dominate the front page with their ideas. reformist2 Jun 2013 #62
"My reason being that a few posters can totally dominate the front page with their ideas." sheshe2 Jun 2013 #101
Wow What A Hyperbolic Hissy Fit HangOnKids Jun 2013 #128
HIDE THREAD will turn your "too much" into "just enough" or even "None at all." You have the power. MADem Jun 2013 #60
No, I choose to recommend a thread limit of 5 new threads per day per person. reformist2 Jun 2013 #63
Well, if you insist, I urge you to scoot on over to ATA and ask for that, if you MADem Jun 2013 #68
when you get your own website you can make all the rules you want dlwickham Jun 2013 #89
??? WTF .... alittlelark Jun 2013 #123
Cheap shot pscot Jun 2013 #37
No, they are merely making personal disparagements towards her in response to her posts. MADem Jun 2013 #56
I try not to. I prefer to argue with her head on but I refuse to argue with her blue links. Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #67
If you don't like her methods, there are ways to avoid them. Trying to control how she creates her MADem Jun 2013 #73
I have zero power to control what she does but I tell her flat out that I won't Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #79
One can only hope. nt MADem Jun 2013 #91
I have three people on ignore Mojorabbit Jun 2013 #127
So, what color are the links in your world? Moosepoop Jun 2013 #137
It is a DU2 reference where links to ones own threads appeared blue. Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #139
I was here for DU2. We've been on DU3 for quite some time now. Moosepoop Jun 2013 #147
It is elementary school sheshe2 Jun 2013 #143
Considered suggesting a self-imposed year of silence for reflection to Prosense at 100,000 posts... PufPuf23 Jun 2013 #65
"Post stuff," sure. Flooding, however, is a well known bullying tactic. JackRiddler Jun 2013 #105
Festivus already? Union Scribe Jun 2013 #2
Post removed Post removed Jun 2013 #3
It's a joke. Lighten up angrypants. nt Union Scribe Jun 2013 #7
I don't have to lighten anything, you phony eom Kolesar Jun 2013 #15
Lol. Union Scribe Jun 2013 #38
Pardon me? I voiced my opinion. You got a problem with that? nt babylonsister Jun 2013 #6
No. Union Scribe Jun 2013 #40
So sorry! babylonsister Jun 2013 #58
No, my bad. Union Scribe Jun 2013 #66
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2013 #4
Not whatever manner they see fit treestar Jun 2013 #9
Welcome to DU... one_voice Jun 2013 #13
Clown's been on here all of three hours and comes out swinging Kolesar Jun 2013 #16
Interesting! sheshe2 Jun 2013 #46
Gee...that sounds lie a personal attack zeemike Jun 2013 #111
Not quite as they see fit. Some are ugly ass personal attacks Cha Jun 2013 #23
Braaaaaaaains!!! SidDithers Jun 2013 #24
"in whatever manner they see fit" that isn't abusive or hurtful. n/t pnwmom Jun 2013 #96
The fact is she gets away with what others cant. Juries lover her. I ignore her. nm rhett o rick Jun 2013 #109
Agreed there are too many personal attacks treestar Jun 2013 #5
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2013 #8
Heh. Bye sooner or later. nt babylonsister Jun 2013 #11
Is this all you have? treestar Jun 2013 #12
Facts are your friend! nt! sheshe2 Jun 2013 #49
Backing up what you are saying is not linking to your own posts. Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #26
She links to her own posts... one_voice Jun 2013 #31
Easier translates to me as lazy. Easier translates to unwilling to engage the topic at hand Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #39
Why does it mean lazier? You click a link and everything... one_voice Jun 2013 #41
They don't like it because they have nothing in response. It's easy to spout all kinds of crap if stevenleser Jun 2013 #61
An old discussion? sheshe2 Jun 2013 #69
I really wish people would lay off pscot Jun 2013 #55
Thank you for stating it clearly. BlueStreak Jun 2013 #106
The same people over and over again blaming Obama for the latest outrage treestar Jun 2013 #141
Go ProSense, go babylonsister!! nt okaawhatever Jun 2013 #10
You can tell a person who has no argument by the way they reply to her posts. NYC_SKP Jun 2013 #14
I know. She is a star, and when babylonsister Jun 2013 #18
Her detractors have taken to alerting on her threads over nothing.. Scurrilous Jun 2013 #28
She is definitely a target, but she's resilient, and they hate her for it. Go Pro!!!!! Tarheel_Dem Jun 2013 #33
Screw 'em. She's/he's been here longer than me, and babylonsister Jun 2013 #34
0-6 to leave it malaise Jun 2013 #45
Wonder if the 75 posts from 2-3 other posters riding the pro-Snowden wagon got alerted on too? Number23 Jun 2013 #83
+1000! sheshe2 Jun 2013 #72
+ a thousand Number23 Jun 2013 #87
Yes, I agree and have to wonder about DUers who don't recognize what an asset she is siligut Jun 2013 #90
Damn..I must be really out of the loop. I thought you were talking about some new drug. BlueJazz Jun 2013 #19
Hahaha! nt babylonsister Jun 2013 #22
It wouldn't be a problem, except... Hydra Jun 2013 #21
Bwhaha, dammit! nt babylonsister Jun 2013 #25
This is so meta... n/y Agnosticsherbet Jun 2013 #29
Yup progressoid Jun 2013 #35
yeah, facts, calmly and stated are a terrible inconvient truth graham4anything Jun 2013 #30
Thanks to you babylonsis & ProSense! Tarheel_Dem Jun 2013 #32
I have that same problem with those who get on her Cha Jun 2013 #36
+1000. graham4anything Jun 2013 #81
Correct! sheshe2 Jun 2013 #82
+1,000 malaise Jun 2013 #42
I'm a fan, sister, of yours and ProSense. Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #43
I love that she actually posts LINKS! jazzimov Jun 2013 #44
My problem is that the hosts don't shut down these types of posts. n/t demmiblue Jun 2013 #47
Transparency: I did alert on this post. demmiblue Jun 2013 #70
ProSense STICKS TO ISSUES. Other people babylonsister Jun 2013 #77
Yes, I alerted on this. demmiblue Jun 2013 #94
I Agree... WE, May Disagree... She May Be Exasperating At Times, But She's One Of The Hardest... WillyT Jun 2013 #48
Recommended! Bobbie Jo Jun 2013 #50
I have a big problem with some of you and ProSense too. DesMoinesDem Jun 2013 #51
Put us on ignore. Your pov would get magnificent! nt babylonsister Jun 2013 #64
No, I prefer to call apologists out. DesMoinesDem Jun 2013 #93
I disagree with virtually everything she posts but I admire her for doing so. nt Demo_Chris Jun 2013 #52
When I first found DU, I got a good learnin'. babylonsister Jun 2013 #54
Stop trying to tell people how to think, thanks. Corruption Inc Jun 2013 #142
Though I abhor religion I say AMEN HangOnKids Jun 2013 #148
So is general discussion the new Meta forum? quinnox Jun 2013 #57
Thanks, ProSense. Life Long Dem Jun 2013 #59
K/R for ProSense CakeGrrl Jun 2013 #71
I get disparaged all the time by ProSense, and I find it calming, and like a shining light... Safetykitten Jun 2013 #74
Whatever floats your boat. I would feel uncomfortable if someone with facts and links disagreed with stevenleser Jun 2013 #76
The rule should be, if you are going to accuse someone of being a paid shill, back it up with proof. stevenleser Jun 2013 #75
I never presumed this person was a paid shill. Safetykitten Jun 2013 #86
Thank You! And to all of the "jurists" that have allowed the nastiest, most blatant personal attacks Number23 Jun 2013 #78
To be fair, sid rarely ever "participates" at all. morningfog Jun 2013 #102
True, he posts some "fail" type thing and laughs and laughs, he's so talented at that stuff... Safetykitten Jun 2013 #115
well played frylock Jun 2013 #134
So all these people hate him for absolutely no reason at all? Good to know. Says good things about Number23 Jun 2013 #145
I believe the opposite to be true. Juries love Pro. nm rhett o rick Jun 2013 #112
If I have a big problem with people I ignore them Marrah_G Jun 2013 #80
babylonsister, Pro only copy and paste, I have yet to see akbacchus_BC Jun 2013 #84
They are mostly party line missives, other than the wild "coward" throw at a person that risks all Safetykitten Jun 2013 #92
I've seen plenty of ProSense's opinions.. and, what Cha Jun 2013 #131
Thanks, Babylonsister! tandot Jun 2013 #85
I will Kick and Damn well sheshe2 Jun 2013 #88
Thank you ProSense for all the time and work you put into your posts :) Tx4obama Jun 2013 #95
All I can say is if you don't like it then you should take to your own advce. R. Daneel Olivaw Jun 2013 #97
Big love for babylonsister and prosense! cheapdate Jun 2013 #98
Yup! I have to support this sentiment. longship Jun 2013 #99
They can't argue with ProSense, so they accuse her of being a "plant." Pathetic beyond description alcibiades_mystery Jun 2013 #100
So everyone that disagrees with this person lacks "civility?" I am having the vapors. Safetykitten Jun 2013 #107
Huh? alcibiades_mystery Jun 2013 #114
I never said this person was a paid plant or shill...where did I say this person was one? Safetykitten Jun 2013 #116
? i finally started agreeing with her.... madrchsod Jun 2013 #103
I love you both. Thanks for being such a nice person. DevonRex Jun 2013 #104
I keep thinking ProSense is a toothpaste. Prism Jun 2013 #108
lol quinnox Jun 2013 #113
I solved the problem nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #110
A philosophical dilemma BlueStreak Jun 2013 #117
We all solve the problems in different ways. nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #119
This whole thread is largely a list of apologists. Sognefjord Jun 2013 #118
Have I missed something? Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2013 #120
PUI demmiblue Jun 2013 #125
? Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2013 #130
A wee bit tipsy (IMO) n/t demmiblue Jun 2013 #132
I have always assumed that ProSense is connected LibDemAlways Jun 2013 #121
Shill all you want. OnyxCollie Jun 2013 #122
+ 1000 quinnox Jun 2013 #126
+ a gazillion. nt Mojorabbit Jun 2013 #133
Excellent point Corruption Inc Jun 2013 #136
But with ''principles'' you have to look backwards to the past and your foundation...... DeSwiss Jun 2013 #144
DU isn't generally about spin Enrique Jun 2013 #124
I think so as well quinnox Jun 2013 #129
copy+paste frylock Jun 2013 #135
+1 whatchamacallit Jun 2013 #150
META META META META META META META! JimDandy Jun 2013 #138
DU rec... SidDithers Jun 2013 #140
no one is preventing her from posting her stuff. HiPointDem Jun 2013 #146
I love pot roast but it never fails Puzzledtraveller Jun 2013 #149
Locking as most of GD Hosts weighing in and numerous alerts consider this META. uppityperson Jun 2013 #151

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
1. LET PROSENSE POST HER STUFF!!!!
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 11:13 PM
Jun 2013

Oh that's right. No one is challenging her right to post stuff.

 

Electric Monk

(13,869 posts)
17. funny memories
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 11:22 PM
Jun 2013

Kolesar

(31,182 posts)
20. Whatever that means
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 11:25 PM
Jun 2013

You have the skill to link a photo. How impressive

reformist2

(9,841 posts)
27. I have a problem with the QUANTITY of posts. It's too much.
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 11:27 PM
Jun 2013

sheshe2

(97,408 posts)
53. Your reason being? nt
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 11:54 PM
Jun 2013

reformist2

(9,841 posts)
62. My reason being that a few posters can totally dominate the front page with their ideas.
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 11:58 PM
Jun 2013

Part of free speech is letting everyone have a chance to have their say. And that doesn't happen if some people are talking non-stop, all-day-long, 24/7.

sheshe2

(97,408 posts)
101. "My reason being that a few posters can totally dominate the front page with their ideas."
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 12:29 AM
Jun 2013

reformist2, I could not agree with you more!

You really do not need me to link the posts 24/7 on Snowden hero of the people....Obama worse than Bush...and Greenwald Greenwald our savior.

Do I?! Dozens day and night over and over. Are those Okay with you?

 

HangOnKids

(4,291 posts)
128. Wow What A Hyperbolic Hissy Fit
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 01:02 AM
Jun 2013

Greenwald has been proclaimed "our savior?" Really?

MADem

(135,425 posts)
60. HIDE THREAD will turn your "too much" into "just enough" or even "None at all." You have the power.
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 11:57 PM
Jun 2013

Maybe you should use it?

reformist2

(9,841 posts)
63. No, I choose to recommend a thread limit of 5 new threads per day per person.
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 11:59 PM
Jun 2013

MADem

(135,425 posts)
68. Well, if you insist, I urge you to scoot on over to ATA and ask for that, if you
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 12:04 AM
Jun 2013

really mean it and aren't just spitting into the wind.

Let me make a prediction--your recommendation will not be adopted. Imagine what such an awful rule would have done to gone-but-not-forgotten gems like Kephra?

But off you go, make your case, and here's a link to make your path smoother: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=post&forum=1259

dlwickham

(3,316 posts)
89. when you get your own website you can make all the rules you want
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 12:22 AM
Jun 2013

you're a guest on DU just like the rest of us

if you don't like the way the admins run the site, you can always find another one more to your liking

alittlelark

(19,138 posts)
123. ??? WTF ....
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 12:56 AM
Jun 2013

Are u for real?

pscot

(21,044 posts)
37. Cheap shot
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 11:40 PM
Jun 2013

MADem

(135,425 posts)
56. No, they are merely making personal disparagements towards her in response to her posts.
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 11:55 PM
Jun 2013

Which isn't a very civil way to behave.

If this were elementary school, that sort of thing would be called "bullying."

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
67. I try not to. I prefer to argue with her head on but I refuse to argue with her blue links.
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 12:03 AM
Jun 2013

They are a waste of my time. I am not going to chase one blue link after another to suss out what she is trying to say. She either puts up without the self-referential posts or I am out of engaging with her.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
73. If you don't like her methods, there are ways to avoid them. Trying to control how she creates her
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 12:10 AM
Jun 2013

arguments is a bit hyper-controlling, IMO.

You can either jump in and participate, or eschew.

I don't think it's appropriate for people to toss insults, as I said, but I also don't think it's appropriate to tell people how they are allowed to make their case. It's just not valid to say "I don't like your use of citations to make a point" when way too many people here don't offer any links at all.

I happen to like links, I click, I learn.

To each his own--or her own, for that matter. There's always HIDE THREAD if you aren't feeling it, and IGNORE if you just can't deal at all.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
79. I have zero power to control what she does but I tell her flat out that I won't
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 12:16 AM
Jun 2013

click on her blue links and to present her argument in the "here and now." If she is unwilling to do that, then I leave it alone.

And yes. I am aware of the HIDE THREAD and the IGNORE feature. If you are lucky, there a some DUers reading your post who were ignorant of such and are rushing to employ those features, of which they were previously clueless, tout suite.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
91. One can only hope. nt
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 12:22 AM
Jun 2013

Mojorabbit

(16,020 posts)
127. I have three people on ignore
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 01:02 AM
Jun 2013

I only use it when I just can't take it anymore and then capitulate. . She is one. It makes the experience here so much more pleasurable. Life is too short to waste time following blue links that lead nowhere in the end.

Moosepoop

(2,075 posts)
137. So, what color are the links in your world?
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 01:20 AM
Jun 2013

The major problem you and some others I have seen is that ProSense's links are blue.

Would her links be OK if they were, say, red? How about green? Orange? Plaid??

I've seen you post links, as well -- and perhaps I shouldn't tell you this, for fear of causing you some sort of mental anguish -- but... your links are blue, too...

I hope your head didn't just explode...

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
139. It is a DU2 reference where links to ones own threads appeared blue.
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 01:25 AM
Jun 2013

Thanks for playing.

Moosepoop

(2,075 posts)
147. I was here for DU2. We've been on DU3 for quite some time now.
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 01:44 AM
Jun 2013

Try to keep up.

sheshe2

(97,408 posts)
143. It is elementary school
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 01:36 AM
Jun 2013

They have nothing!

http://sync.democraticunderground.com/10022757642#post104

For a laugh check out post # 60/71 and 74~

PufPuf23

(9,822 posts)
65. Considered suggesting a self-imposed year of silence for reflection to Prosense at 100,000 posts...
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 12:02 AM
Jun 2013

admittedly part in sarcasm.

DU does not suppress a wide and reasonable range of opinion.

Some of us oldsters are canaries in the coal mine.

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
105. "Post stuff," sure. Flooding, however, is a well known bullying tactic.
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 12:33 AM
Jun 2013

Could I throw out 12 or 20 nearly identical talking points a day and pretend it's not a campaign to dominate GD in the face of my opinions not actually being the majority's? Sure! Why wouldn't I be allowed to get away with that? Why doesn't it interest me?

Union Scribe

(7,099 posts)
2. Festivus already?
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 11:13 PM
Jun 2013

This airing of grievances seems a bit early.

Response to Union Scribe (Reply #2)

Union Scribe

(7,099 posts)
7. It's a joke. Lighten up angrypants. nt
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 11:16 PM
Jun 2013

Kolesar

(31,182 posts)
15. I don't have to lighten anything, you phony eom
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 11:20 PM
Jun 2013

Union Scribe

(7,099 posts)
38. Lol.
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 11:41 PM
Jun 2013

I assure you I'm not worth blowing a blood vessel over.

babylonsister

(172,743 posts)
6. Pardon me? I voiced my opinion. You got a problem with that? nt
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 11:15 PM
Jun 2013

Union Scribe

(7,099 posts)
40. No.
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 11:43 PM
Jun 2013

I take it you aren't a Seinfeld fan. It was just the wording you used was very similar to the character Frank Costanza, whose made-up holiday Festiuvs had an "airing of grievances" segment that he began "I got a lot of problems with you people!" It was offered in a light-hearted manner I promise.

babylonsister

(172,743 posts)
58. So sorry!
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 11:56 PM
Jun 2013
I didn't understand.

Union Scribe

(7,099 posts)
66. No, my bad.
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 12:02 AM
Jun 2013

I shouldn't drop a joke in right away when someone's trying to make a point. That's how misunderstandings usually happen with me. Have a good night.

Response to babylonsister (Original post)

treestar

(82,383 posts)
9. Not whatever manner they see fit
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 11:18 PM
Jun 2013

The personal attacks are unwarranted. And it is true she can take care of herself.

one_voice

(20,043 posts)
13. Welcome to DU...
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 11:18 PM
Jun 2013

again.

Kolesar

(31,182 posts)
16. Clown's been on here all of three hours and comes out swinging
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 11:21 PM
Jun 2013

"again" ... well said

sheshe2

(97,408 posts)
46. Interesting!
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 11:50 PM
Jun 2013

I have a secret admirer, that came out swinging after 5 days.

Wham bam and proceeded to tell me what I thought, then on a repost told me to leave this site.

Hmm someone said the same about them. Welcome again!

I smell something.

Well said Kolesar!



zeemike

(18,998 posts)
111. Gee...that sounds lie a personal attack
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 12:38 AM
Jun 2013

And this thread seems to invite it....I wonder why that is.

Seems like some are angry because of the NSA thing and the others are angry at them for being angry at the NSA thing....so we have a crack and a wedge and now to drive it home.

Cha

(318,793 posts)
23. Not quite as they see fit. Some are ugly ass personal attacks
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 11:25 PM
Jun 2013

and they've been hidden by more than one jury.

SidDithers

(44,333 posts)
24. Braaaaaaaains!!!
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 11:26 PM
Jun 2013

Come back again soon.

Sid

pnwmom

(110,254 posts)
96. "in whatever manner they see fit" that isn't abusive or hurtful. n/t
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 12:26 AM
Jun 2013
 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
109. The fact is she gets away with what others cant. Juries lover her. I ignore her. nm
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 12:37 AM
Jun 2013

treestar

(82,383 posts)
5. Agreed there are too many personal attacks
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 11:15 PM
Jun 2013

And yet Prosense never gets mad and rarely if ever insults the posters who are always making fun of her and complaining about her "blue links" as if it is wrong to at least try to back up what you are saying. It's that they are so annoyed that the President they hate has any defense at all.

Response to treestar (Reply #5)

babylonsister

(172,743 posts)
11. Heh. Bye sooner or later. nt
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 11:18 PM
Jun 2013

treestar

(82,383 posts)
12. Is this all you have?
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 11:18 PM
Jun 2013

Personal attacks aren't convincing.

sheshe2

(97,408 posts)
49. Facts are your friend! nt!
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 11:52 PM
Jun 2013

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
26. Backing up what you are saying is not linking to your own posts.
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 11:27 PM
Jun 2013

I'll refute Prosense original OPs all day long if I had the time. But I will not fall into the trap of arguing with her "blue link" spin from thread to thread. One DUer characterized it as playing with those increasingly smaller Russian dolls and I agree.

one_voice

(20,043 posts)
31. She links to her own posts...
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 11:31 PM
Jun 2013

because often times that's where the outside sources (links) are. It's probably easier to link to her DU posts than to search for all the other links. It's not that difficult to figure out. It's not like she links to a self written OP--there are always links to outside sources.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
39. Easier translates to me as lazy. Easier translates to unwilling to engage the topic at hand
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 11:42 PM
Jun 2013

with original content. Easier is a distraction. Make your case without leading your "opponent" to slog through an into an entirely old discussion.

one_voice

(20,043 posts)
41. Why does it mean lazier? You click a link and everything...
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 11:46 PM
Jun 2013

you need is there. Sounds like your complaining just to complain. What difference does it make if you click one link and see everything or she posts 5 links for you to see. You don't have to slog through anything.

You click a link and her post are always laid out nicely.

Sounds like you want to catered to....suck it up. If you're too lazy to click a link then you really don't want to debate, you're looking for a way out.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
61. They don't like it because they have nothing in response. It's easy to spout all kinds of crap if
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 11:57 PM
Jun 2013

you don't have to back it up with links to facts. When the other person does it and you can't, well, they know what that means and it infuriates them.

sheshe2

(97,408 posts)
69. An old discussion?
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 12:05 AM
Jun 2013

Do you mean to say that when she posts a recant to~

Snowden snowden snowden....hero hero hero

and

Obama obama obama fail fail fail...worse than bush

that ProSense is linking to an entirely old discussion!

Seriously............

They are running up and down GD on a daily basis!

One after another, on and on and on!

IMHO, WOW!

pscot

(21,044 posts)
55. I really wish people would lay off
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 11:55 PM
Jun 2013

that hate the Prez meme. I'm sure there are DUers who hate Obama, but the number is vanishingly small. It is possible to have a political disagreement without hating someone. You can't simply dismiss all criticsm as mere personal antipathy. It's dismissive and it angers people. And when this kind of stuff gets personalized, any hope of understanding one another goes out the window. In the words of a great American, can't we all just get along?

 

BlueStreak

(8,377 posts)
106. Thank you for stating it clearly.
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 12:33 AM
Jun 2013

Many of us do get the feeling that a certain element on this board imposes a "purity test" that amounts to supporting unconditionally everything Obama does and says. And these same people seem to be the ones who recently have bombarded this place with hundreds of threads that were nothing but ad hominem attacks on Snowden.

While I don't believe ad hominem attacks on third parties violate the DU TOU, I find it offensive, and a shallow attempt to distract from the core issues Snowden raised. And why come with those red herrings? Apparently because there is no real defense for the positions this President is taking on this issue.

I can still love Obama for some other things, but I will not stand with him where he is right now.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
141. The same people over and over again blaming Obama for the latest outrage
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 01:29 AM
Jun 2013

Starts to stink to high heaven after a while.

okaawhatever

(9,565 posts)
10. Go ProSense, go babylonsister!! nt
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 11:18 PM
Jun 2013
 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
14. You can tell a person who has no argument by the way they reply to her posts.
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 11:19 PM
Jun 2013

Making fun of blue links, calling her a shill.

The truth is that her posts are among the most well written and well-sourced posts one can find on DU.

So good are they that arguments fall flat, very few can respond in kind, so many respond with insults.

It's just another one of those things that makes DU suck.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x8319664

babylonsister

(172,743 posts)
18. I know. She is a star, and when
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 11:23 PM
Jun 2013

people argue about she/he v. what she posts, I am shocked. DU needs to come to grips and get off the outrage mobile.

Scurrilous

(38,687 posts)
28. Her detractors have taken to alerting on her threads over nothing..
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 11:28 PM
Jun 2013

At Mon Jun 17, 2013, 04:54 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

NYT editor's blog: Snowden’s Questionable New Turn
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023034825

REASON FOR ALERT:

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate. (See <a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=aboutus#communitystandards" target="_blank">Community Standards</a>.)

ALERTER'S COMMENTS:

75th post about the same topic today. For the jury this is "otherwise inappropriate" because this paid shill has been spamming DU all day with this nonsense...

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Mon Jun 17, 2013, 05:07 PM, and the Jury voted 0-6 to LEAVE IT.


Pathetic.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,454 posts)
33. She is definitely a target, but she's resilient, and they hate her for it. Go Pro!!!!!
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 11:33 PM
Jun 2013

babylonsister

(172,743 posts)
34. Screw 'em. She's/he's been here longer than me, and
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 11:34 PM
Jun 2013

has educated me. I love this person, and the people who don't read what ProSense offers are the poorer for it.

Some of us try to educate. Is that so difficult to swallow?

malaise

(295,742 posts)
45. 0-6 to leave it
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 11:48 PM
Jun 2013

Great

Number23

(24,544 posts)
83. Wonder if the 75 posts from 2-3 other posters riding the pro-Snowden wagon got alerted on too?
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 12:18 AM
Jun 2013

There was a point over the last few days that I saw one person's name I think as the OP of five different threads on the front page of GD. And it wasn't Prosense.

sheshe2

(97,408 posts)
72. +1000!
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 12:07 AM
Jun 2013

Well said SKP!

Number23

(24,544 posts)
87. + a thousand
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 12:20 AM
Jun 2013

siligut

(12,272 posts)
90. Yes, I agree and have to wonder about DUers who don't recognize what an asset she is
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 12:22 AM
Jun 2013

I tend to wonder where the contempt stems from. Is it because she is so articulate and informed that she somehow threatens them? Usually if a poster isn't to ones liking, one just ignores them. But I have seen posts lately that seek to discredit and curtail her posts.

 

BlueJazz

(25,348 posts)
19. Damn..I must be really out of the loop. I thought you were talking about some new drug.
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 11:23 PM
Jun 2013

"ProSense..when walking through reality is becoming a drag"

babylonsister

(172,743 posts)
22. Hahaha! nt
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 11:25 PM
Jun 2013

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
21. It wouldn't be a problem, except...
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 11:25 PM
Jun 2013

babylonsister

(172,743 posts)
25. Bwhaha, dammit! nt
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 11:27 PM
Jun 2013

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
29. This is so meta... n/y
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 11:28 PM
Jun 2013

progressoid

(53,125 posts)
35. Yup
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 11:35 PM
Jun 2013
 

graham4anything

(11,464 posts)
30. yeah, facts, calmly and stated are a terrible inconvient truth
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 11:30 PM
Jun 2013


it is so highly ironic too.

Wish I myself could write as concise.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,454 posts)
32. Thanks to you babylonsis & ProSense!
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 11:31 PM
Jun 2013

Cha

(318,793 posts)
36. I have that same problem with those who get on her
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 11:36 PM
Jun 2013

threads just to act like a grade school bully boy clique, babylonsistah.

mahalo for letting them know their posts say everything about them and nothing about ProSense. They have nothing to refute her message with so they attempt to slur. It makes them look

ProSense

Same for you after all these years, babylonsistah ~

 

graham4anything

(11,464 posts)
81. +1000.
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 12:18 AM
Jun 2013

sheshe2

(97,408 posts)
82. Correct!
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 12:18 AM
Jun 2013

The neener neener posts about your boyfriend! These were a while ago.

Really grade school or what!

Facts hurt them, Cha!

You know what, They can't handle the truth!

you are right the do look silly!

malaise

(295,742 posts)
42. +1,000
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 11:46 PM
Jun 2013

Rec

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
43. I'm a fan, sister, of yours and ProSense.
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 11:47 PM
Jun 2013

You guys are consistent and passionate about your issues. Sometimes I agree, sometimes I disagree. Strongly. But, I am with you -- everyone gets to post and air their opinions.

jazzimov

(1,456 posts)
44. I love that she actually posts LINKS!
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 11:47 PM
Jun 2013

Whether you agree with her or not, at least she posts links that backs her up!

If you disagree with Pro, then you should back it up, Too!

(thank you babylonsis for posting this!)

demmiblue

(39,666 posts)
47. My problem is that the hosts don't shut down these types of posts. n/t
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 11:50 PM
Jun 2013

demmiblue

(39,666 posts)
70. Transparency: I did alert on this post.
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 12:06 AM
Jun 2013

Enough whining about other DUers!

If you want to do so, perhaps you should ask the admins to reinstate META. Otherwise, stick to the issues.

babylonsister

(172,743 posts)
77. ProSense STICKS TO ISSUES. Other people
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 12:13 AM
Jun 2013

around here don't like the issues she/he sticks to. Tough.

And you alerted on this?

demmiblue

(39,666 posts)
94. Yes, I alerted on this.
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 12:24 AM
Jun 2013

You are clearly not sticking to the issues. The sole purpose of your OP is WHINING about other DU members.

I am sure that many of us here are sick and tired of this type of OP.

Like I said, if you want to go about it this way, petition the admins to reinstate META. I know they won't, though, because they are also pretty sick and tired of this same type of bullshit.


 

WillyT

(72,631 posts)
48. I Agree... WE, May Disagree... She May Be Exasperating At Times, But She's One Of The Hardest...
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 11:51 PM
Jun 2013
Working Posters On DU, A Longtime Loyal Member, And An All 'Round Good Egg!

She deserves better than she's been getting lately.



& Rec !!!

Bobbie Jo

(14,344 posts)
50. Recommended!
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 11:53 PM
Jun 2013

Love ya, Pro!


....and babylonsister,

 

DesMoinesDem

(1,569 posts)
51. I have a big problem with some of you and ProSense too.
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 11:54 PM
Jun 2013

babylonsister

(172,743 posts)
64. Put us on ignore. Your pov would get magnificent! nt
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 12:00 AM
Jun 2013
 

DesMoinesDem

(1,569 posts)
93. No, I prefer to call apologists out.
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 12:24 AM
Jun 2013
 

Demo_Chris

(6,234 posts)
52. I disagree with virtually everything she posts but I admire her for doing so. nt
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 11:54 PM
Jun 2013

babylonsister

(172,743 posts)
54. When I first found DU, I got a good learnin'.
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 11:54 PM
Jun 2013

Don't EVER post something from someone else without a link, and don't EVER link to certain sites. Well, through trial and error, I 'get' it. I remember one of my first attempts at sharing was a Krauthammer article. Oye, did I ever get lambasted! And learned. Pro has been here for many years. Stop trying to make this person less than she is, and less than what she contributes. Thanks.


 

Corruption Inc

(1,568 posts)
142. Stop trying to tell people how to think, thanks.
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 01:35 AM
Jun 2013

People can make up their own minds, post without posting a link to something, discuss things rationally and can read the terms of service to understand what's expected on DU.

My observation of the poster mentioned in your OP is not favorable at all, regardless of how long they've posted here and regardless of your allegiance to them. None of what you posted changes the content of what that poster posts.

 

HangOnKids

(4,291 posts)
148. Though I abhor religion I say AMEN
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 01:47 AM
Jun 2013

Rock on brother.

 

quinnox

(20,600 posts)
57. So is general discussion the new Meta forum?
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 11:56 PM
Jun 2013

Awesome. Let the games begin!

 

Life Long Dem

(8,582 posts)
59. Thanks, ProSense.
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 11:56 PM
Jun 2013

CakeGrrl

(10,611 posts)
71. K/R for ProSense
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 12:07 AM
Jun 2013

You'd think people could "Hide Thread" if something isn't to their liking - that's its purpose.

 

Safetykitten

(5,162 posts)
74. I get disparaged all the time by ProSense, and I find it calming, and like a shining light...
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 12:10 AM
Jun 2013

in the dark. Comforting and always there.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
76. Whatever floats your boat. I would feel uncomfortable if someone with facts and links disagreed with
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 12:13 AM
Jun 2013

me all the time.

Fortunately I am not in that position.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
75. The rule should be, if you are going to accuse someone of being a paid shill, back it up with proof.
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 12:11 AM
Jun 2013

Be able to prove who this person is in real life and that they are taking money from someone to post.

 

Safetykitten

(5,162 posts)
86. I never presumed this person was a paid shill.
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 12:20 AM
Jun 2013

Number23

(24,544 posts)
78. Thank You! And to all of the "jurists" that have allowed the nastiest, most blatant personal attacks
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 12:13 AM
Jun 2013

against Prosense to stand just because you "don't like her," GROW THE HELL UP.

Sid Dithers is another one. People post shit about Sid in threads he's NOT EVEN PARTICIPATING IN. And jurors let them stand. This kind of behavior is just completely immature and unnecessary.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
102. To be fair, sid rarely ever "participates" at all.
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 12:30 AM
Jun 2013
 

Safetykitten

(5,162 posts)
115. True, he posts some "fail" type thing and laughs and laughs, he's so talented at that stuff...
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 12:44 AM
Jun 2013

you know the hilarious stuff.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
134. well played
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 01:10 AM
Jun 2013

Number23

(24,544 posts)
145. So all these people hate him for absolutely no reason at all? Good to know. Says good things about
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 01:41 AM
Jun 2013

the quality of their lives.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
112. I believe the opposite to be true. Juries love Pro. nm
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 12:40 AM
Jun 2013

Marrah_G

(28,581 posts)
80. If I have a big problem with people I ignore them
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 12:16 AM
Jun 2013

I've had Prosense on ignore for years so it's no longer a problem for me. We all have people who we just can't stand. Ignoring is easier then constant bickering with people you will never agree with.

akbacchus_BC

(5,830 posts)
84. babylonsister, Pro only copy and paste, I have yet to see
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 12:19 AM
Jun 2013

her personal opinions! Correct me if am wrong!

This is DU, is it owned by someone else or by you?

Please clarify!

 

Safetykitten

(5,162 posts)
92. They are mostly party line missives, other than the wild "coward" throw at a person that risks all
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 12:23 AM
Jun 2013

to shine light in some cracks.

Cha

(318,793 posts)
131. I've seen plenty of ProSense's opinions.. and, what
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 01:04 AM
Jun 2013

is wrong with bringing good interesting political articles to DU? That highlight what's actually going on in D.C?

I would not be seeing any of these articles if she hadn't posted them.. I have been educated politically over the years, thanks to ProSense, babylonsistah, and others who are dedicated posters.

tandot

(6,671 posts)
85. Thanks, Babylonsister!
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 12:19 AM
Jun 2013

Love it ... or leave it ... why is that so hard for some people.

sheshe2

(97,408 posts)
88. I will Kick and Damn well
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 12:21 AM
Jun 2013

Recommend!

Thank you, babylonsister.

This has been pissing me off, big time.

Well said!

Tx4obama

(36,974 posts)
95. Thank you ProSense for all the time and work you put into your posts :)
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 12:24 AM
Jun 2013

It is much appreciated by me.



 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
97. All I can say is if you don't like it then you should take to your own advce.
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 12:28 AM
Jun 2013

Love it or leave it, but get over it!

Don't like it? Move on.


It ain't gonna change, sister.

I mean this in the most amicable way possible.

cheapdate

(3,811 posts)
98. Big love for babylonsister and prosense!
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 12:29 AM
Jun 2013

It's why I come here -- to hear an intelligent exchange of ideas, arguments, and counter arguments.

longship

(40,416 posts)
99. Yup! I have to support this sentiment.
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 12:29 AM
Jun 2013

I too have noticed the childish responses in ProSense threads. I have on occasion taken some of them on for personal attacks.

My question is why such personal attacks pass DU standards. They really do make DU suck sometimes.

And those blue links are what makes a well resourced post. I appreciate them because they take some effort and make things easier for me. They are well appreciated.


 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
100. They can't argue with ProSense, so they accuse her of being a "plant." Pathetic beyond description
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 12:29 AM
Jun 2013

This type of shit never used to fly when there was solid moderation, rather than a frothing lynch mob, looking out for basic civility on DU. Now the Reccing Crew know that they can probably land three of their ilk on a jury, so they say whatever. Some huge percentage of responses to ProSense's posts are now "this person is being paid" or some similar nonsense. As soon as I see somebody say that, I know I'm dealing with somebody who ProSense has absolutely destroyed in an argument, because only a pathetic loser would resort to such responses.

 

Safetykitten

(5,162 posts)
107. So everyone that disagrees with this person lacks "civility?" I am having the vapors.
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 12:34 AM
Jun 2013
 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
114. Huh?
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 12:43 AM
Jun 2013

I said "Anyone who disagrees with ProSense lacks civility?" Where'd I say that? Only in your imagination. Plenty of people disagree with ProSense in perfectly civil ways. Indeed, many of them are commenting on this very thread.

However, I did say that anyone who accuses her of being a paid plant is pathetic loser, and I stand by that description 100%. Why, are you in the habit of accusing her of being a paid plant? Or worse, is that your definition of disagreement?



 

Safetykitten

(5,162 posts)
116. I never said this person was a paid plant or shill...where did I say this person was one?
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 12:46 AM
Jun 2013

madrchsod

(58,162 posts)
103. ? i finally started agreeing with her....
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 12:31 AM
Jun 2013

throughout the years i have had issues with what she posted. most of the time i just did`t respond. in the last year or so i`ve agreed with what she has posted most of the time and actually told her so.

as for posting links to back up what she posts...try doing that sometime.

DevonRex

(22,541 posts)
104. I love you both. Thanks for being such a nice person.
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 12:32 AM
Jun 2013
 

Prism

(5,815 posts)
108. I keep thinking ProSense is a toothpaste.
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 12:36 AM
Jun 2013

And figured DU was just passionate about oral hygiene.

 

quinnox

(20,600 posts)
113. lol
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 12:41 AM
Jun 2013



Here is all you need to know - prosense was once referred to as "the linkosaurus" and it caused much widespread amusement, because it basically summed it up rather wittily.
 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
110. I solved the problem
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 12:38 AM
Jun 2013

She can post all she wants...I just don't have to see it.

It works well for both of us. In fact, using that list has been a god send.

 

BlueStreak

(8,377 posts)
117. A philosophical dilemma
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 12:48 AM
Jun 2013

Certainly "ignore" is an option. But I really don't like to ignore people. I only ignore those who I think:

a) are here just to make noise about a single issue (women's rights, gay rights, criticizing solar power, or what have you). I may support most of those positions, but I just don't have time for small-minded one-issue zealots from the right or from the left.

b) people who only seem to be interested in stirring up shit and never want to consider another point of view

I really don't like to ignore any others, and the people discussed above don't pass my "ignore test". It is a dilemma. How does one balance the desire to be open to others' viewpoints versus the feeling that a particular poster is consistently a waste of time?

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
119. We all solve the problems in different ways.
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 12:53 AM
Jun 2013

It took me years to finally do it...and it worked well for both of us.

I admit I will use it more than some, but in some cases it is best.

Sognefjord

(229 posts)
118. This whole thread is largely a list of apologists.
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 12:50 AM
Jun 2013

Yes, it will serve well to avert gnat bites from them and also lower one's blood pressure.

Rosa Luxemburg

(28,627 posts)
120. Have I missed something?
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 12:53 AM
Jun 2013

What are you talking about?

demmiblue

(39,666 posts)
125. PUI
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 01:01 AM
Jun 2013

Rosa Luxemburg

(28,627 posts)
130. ?
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 01:03 AM
Jun 2013

demmiblue

(39,666 posts)
132. A wee bit tipsy (IMO) n/t
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 01:06 AM
Jun 2013

LibDemAlways

(15,139 posts)
121. I have always assumed that ProSense is connected
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 12:53 AM
Jun 2013

in some way with the Obama administration. She is a tireless advocate for the President -- as is her right. I have an equal right to disagree with or ignore her posts when I think she's wrong. No one here should have to "move on" simply because they disagree with a particular poster. I hope that's not really what you meant.

 

OnyxCollie

(9,958 posts)
122. Shill all you want.
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 12:53 AM
Jun 2013

But don't expect respect.

That comes from principles, not servitude.

 

quinnox

(20,600 posts)
126. + 1000
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 01:01 AM
Jun 2013

Mojorabbit

(16,020 posts)
133. + a gazillion. nt
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 01:09 AM
Jun 2013
 

Corruption Inc

(1,568 posts)
136. Excellent point
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 01:17 AM
Jun 2013

The principles at the core of all the issues is what used to identify people as democratic voters. It seems many people here (the shills) could care less about any issue other than blind loyalty, which is historically a republican principle. The "shills" are too blind to even see that and will never get any respect because of it.

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
144. But with ''principles'' you have to look backwards to the past and your foundation......
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 01:41 AM
Jun 2013

...and we're only allowed to look forward. Forward to SS cuts. Forward to Medicare cuts.

- And best of all, tax cuts for rich corporations to fill their Cayman accounts with!

Enrique

(27,461 posts)
124. DU isn't generally about spin
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 12:58 AM
Jun 2013

most of us just say what we think, we're not trying to spin each other.

 

quinnox

(20,600 posts)
129. I think so as well
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 01:03 AM
Jun 2013

When I see a pro-sense thread, I usually just consider it like a white house press release. Something to look at and quickly move on...

frylock

(34,825 posts)
135. copy+paste
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 01:14 AM
Jun 2013

<a href="whitehouse.gov">"Facts"</a>

whatchamacallit

(15,558 posts)
150. +1
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 01:49 AM
Jun 2013

JimDandy

(7,318 posts)
138. META META META META META META META!
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 01:24 AM
Jun 2013

A Pro-post for ProSense, which is really data for Meta. Apropo for someone who is proficient in posting pro-metadata threads.

SidDithers

(44,333 posts)
140. DU rec...
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 01:27 AM
Jun 2013

Inb4 the completely inconsistent GD Hosts shut this thread down for being meta, while leaving other meta threads alone.

Sid

 

HiPointDem

(20,729 posts)
146. no one is preventing her from posting her stuff.
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 01:42 AM
Jun 2013

Puzzledtraveller

(5,937 posts)
149. I love pot roast but it never fails
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 01:48 AM
Jun 2013

I always get a strand of meat stuck in my teeth. Eventually it works itself out if I'm unable to get it out with a toothpick. Sometimes I get carried away and so annoyed at it that I pick at it more often making it hurt worse and causing the gum to bleed when I should just take a breather and let it work itself out on it's own. Even though this is almost guaranteed to happen every time I eat pot roast I still eat it, despite the occasional irritant it is still worth it.

uppityperson

(116,016 posts)
151. Locking as most of GD Hosts weighing in and numerous alerts consider this META.
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 01:50 AM
Jun 2013
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