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SammyWinstonJack
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LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)2nd round KO
Autumn
(48,946 posts)rec
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)I'm surprised this doesn't get reposted here...
LuvNewcastle
(17,802 posts)I wish we had people in Congress like Deputy Daly. Maybe we'd start having some substantive discussions on all our issues. She is one fiery redhead.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)... and racist, racist, racist, doncha noe?
Peregrine Took
(7,583 posts)We was admirers until we realized he made promises way more than he could ever deliver.
Not our fault for believing him. Can't wait til his term is over.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)
My apologies, I thought it was obvious. (I VERY much agree with you, his Presidency has set us back many years.)
RC
(25,592 posts)
intaglio
(8,170 posts)knee-jerk revolutionaries, outrage junkies and chicken littles
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)here. What she said is now the opinion of a vast majority of the world's people. Too bad we can't get outside the bubble we live in here and realize that the killing and the torture of innocent people actually DOES matter to people who have not become immune to it and who are not obliged to shamefully try to justify it.
After Bush the world waited before passing judgement on the US. They were, like us. of the opinion that the Bush administration was a rogue gang of war criminals who, once the American people voted for Democrats, WOULD be held accountable. When Obama won, there was a sigh of relieve around the world, until he announced that we would be moving forward from war crimes. And then there are the drone killings, and the spy programs, and the Wall St. Criminals who were bailed out, and now the world no longer sees what Bush did as an aberration, they see it as a systemic problem that is not going to change.
And worse, when they see Democrats here trying to justify any of this, due to the fact that they still value human lives, the babies we've killed, they see those photos we don't see.
We are now the most feared nation in the world. NOT Al Queda, who this administration is getting ready to arm in Syria, us, the US, the Great Democracy, as we like to think..
She is just voicing the world's changing opinion of this country and it's sad that Americans are so insulated and so hard hearted that they really don't care when their government kills other people's children, in 'secret claiming they can't explain it all and we should just trust them.
JayhawkSD
(3,163 posts)you left a few zeros off. 300,000 is not even a significant city.
We have 300,000,000 prople. Actually more like 316,000,000 at the moment.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)world, but we seem to think we ARE the world.
JayhawkSD
(3,163 posts)I probably should have used a smiley, since my point was meant in jest, but I don't actually know how.
And if you want to get all "I'll kick your ass" about it, 3 billion out of 7 billion would not make us a "small part," it would make us a rather significant part - almost half.
Lighten up, for God's sake.
malthaussen
(18,551 posts)Redder than her hair, doncha know?
-- Mal
steve2470
(37,481 posts)MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Another difficult woman. We need more.
karmalk
(61 posts)wonderr why a black president made her think of that word?
what a racist
MNBrewer
(8,462 posts) loli phabay
(5,580 posts)
QC
(26,371 posts)SammyWinstonJack
(44,316 posts)
loli phabay
(5,580 posts)Where words are used differently with other contexts, nothing like seeing others using only your own prism. On a side note never met an anti african american irishman, its just not a big thing in the republic.
SammyWinstonJack
(44,316 posts)The only country that really matters! 
RVN VET
(492 posts)The conversation will get kind of guarded, if you do.
(But I think most Catholic Irish and most Protestant Irish could give a hoot about your religion. Aside from the gypsy issue, a very lovely and tolerant people.)
loli phabay
(5,580 posts)The republic has the issues of the six counties, the religious stuff and as you say the intolerance of the travelers, drom and tinks.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)they wouldn't be African American if they were Irish 
okaawhatever
(9,565 posts)Criticize as you will, but some words just aren't appropriate for parliament.
loli phabay
(5,580 posts)Yes a member may get slapped for saying stuff but parliaments are meant to be contentious and free speaking. Not sure what you mean by republician, it is the irish republic she is a member in.
okaawhatever
(9,565 posts)part was a joke about American politicians. How she seems to act like some of our opposition here. (Republicans)
enlightenment
(8,830 posts)And frank. Most parliamentary systems are - unlike our congressional system, which thinks it harks back to some mythical age when all politicians were ever-so polite and no one ever raised their voice or exhibited any kind of passion. Where all the deals are made in back rooms and closed, secret sessions so that open floor debate is a perfect example of Robert's Rules of Order.
You aren't bothered by what she said or how she said it. You are bothered because she was criticizing President Obama. You'd be in full agreement if she were criticizing someone else - and probably suggesting that we need more of that kind of honesty in our own Congress.
okaawhatever
(9,565 posts)methods. She begins by insulting her countrymen, the press, her fellow politicians AND the Obama's. What she said about the Obama's was tame compared to what she said about her fellow members of parliament. She takes issue with the press reporting on what Mrs. Obama and her daughters had for lunch. She claims they're all sycophants. She refers to her fellow members of parliament as pimps. She seems narcissistic, intolerant, and narrow-minded. I did look her up to see if I was misinterpreting her rant. It seems she has been kicked out of two political parties, the last one for her association with someone who had embezzled money. She refuses to pay a tax passed by the state.
You state, "You aren't bothered by what she said or how she said it. You are bothered because she was criticizing President Obama." You have a quality similar to one I find In her. You made that statement as if it's fact. You didn't express it as opinion, despite knowing nothing of me or how I felt. Those are the qualities I don't care for. Whatever you say is fact, never mind what reality is.
enlightenment
(8,830 posts)It was my opinion and you're right, I could have said "I think you are . . ."
My apologies for not adding "I think" - but that error does not make you right. You do not seem to be grasping how parliamentary systems operate - and are taking refuge in the fact that this particular politician has a less than sterling political past. You're hung up on the language and the fact that she was rude to her fellow members of parliament . . . and right there that tells me you don't understand the differences.
My comments were about the system, not the individual.
okaawhatever
(9,565 posts)take a nap. Maybe check out some other you tube parliament classics. Maybe it's the wigs in the English system that makes it more civil. LOL
enlightenment
(8,830 posts)The kind of things that we frown on in Congress (members commenting during another members speech, trying to shout down another member) are often seen in Parliamentary debates. Not always, but when things heat up, certainly.
Some prefer the sterile environment of our legislature - not that it was always that way, but even the chambers are designed to encourage sticking to the rules of order. Seating like an theatre, so no eye-to-eye contact with the opposition - attention is supposed to be directed at the person speaking and, like a theatrical performance, the audience is encouraged to listen politely.
Look at the chambers of England and Ireland. Not all parliamentary systems use this style chamber, but most do. They are facing each other - some, like England, are squared off and others look more like the Irish horseshoe arrangement. The opposing "sides" tend to sit on opposite sides of the aisle - so you look your opponent in the eye. The speakers are in the middle, not in the front, which removes the theatre aspect and encourages involvement.
I prefer passion in my politics, even if it isn't always civil.
tsuki
(11,994 posts)the floor with that idiot from MN is because of the nature of the parliamentarian system. You must answer questions about policy.
enlightenment
(8,830 posts)Not to say that Galloway is anything to crow about, generally, but he really did tear Coleman a new one . . .
Of course attendance by British MPs is not exactly something to crow about, either.
RILib
(862 posts)And it's not an insult to tell the truth.
loli phabay
(5,580 posts)Makes great viewing also.
eridani
(51,907 posts)Galloway testified to Congress here to much applause from antiwar Americans. Brits on a couple of lists I belong to were surprised at this, and one commented "He's just a species of politician that has no native predator in the US."
okaawhatever
(9,565 posts)loli phabay
(5,580 posts)But i think he a wacko at times with the stuff he does, he is on politician who is approachable though and used to ride the clockwork orange and drink in the bars of the west end.
sibelian
(7,804 posts)SammyWinstonJack
(44,316 posts)
Cerridwen
(13,262 posts)Drones? Murder? Violence?
Or is it only the words with sexual connotations that are not "appropriate" for parliament.
Sex...not "appropriate".
War and violence...acceptable.
Heaven help this planet when sex is inappropriate and violence and war are.
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)are we now imposing standards of decorum?
CBHagman
(17,488 posts)...and then set up a new party after that.
From September 1, 2012:
[url]http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0901/335842-clare-daly-socialist-party/[/url]
Clare Daly resigns from the Socialist Party after row over her support for Mick Wallace
Dublin North TD Clare Daly has resigned from the Socialist Party following a row over her political connection to Independent TD Mick Wallace.
Ms Daly handed in her resignation letter yesterday and said she will "redesignate" herself as a United Left Alliance TD.
She had been criticised by some in the party for her support for Mr Wallace after it emerged that his company had made a false VAT declaration to the Revenue Commissioners.
Ms Daly said: "I believe it is time to prioritise the building of the ULA."
From April 25, 2013:
[url]http://www.thejournal.ie/united-left-new-political-party-882971-Apr2013/[/url]
Two TDs setting up new ‘United Left’ political party
A new left-wing political party is set to be launched next month following the apparent collapse of the United Left Alliance.
TDs Clare Daly and Joan Collins are set to launch ‘United Left’ sometime in May, TheJournal.ie has learned, but many of the Dáil’s most high-profile left-wing members, including Joe Higgins and Richard Boyd-Barrett, will not be involved.
This follows the apparent break-up of the United Left Alliance (ULA) – an umbrella body of the Socialist Party, People Before Profit and the Workers and Unemployed Action Group – amid divisions over the advancement of the organisation.
The split became public last September when Daly resigned from the Socialist Party, saying it was time to “prioritise the building of the ULA” amid criticism from the Socialists of her links to controversial TD Mick Wallace.
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)A lot of threads here . . . . like going to a hate fest.
ucrdem
(15,720 posts)and one of many. Statesmanlike it wasn't and her information is a bit rancid but that's another thread. From my perspective nothing to be particularly proud of and not exactly rising to the occasion either.
JHMO, YMMV. 
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)I guess we are all racists now by being critical of the President of the United States, who has earned those in spades
*plonk*
tblue
(16,350 posts)Using the president and "spades" in the same sentence. You are such a racist. Your subconscious is showing. What are you gonna say next? "He's SPOOKy"?
I am joking. People are losing their minds defending bad policies. These accusations of racism need to be thrown back in their face. Mostly I try not to engage because they don't want to listen, they just want to hate. Imho, they are the haters and some of them are the racists, with their soft bigotry of low expectations.
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)no one is losing their minds, at least not the people I enjoy blogging with and which I find that a lot of Libertarians/Liberals and RWers and now coming forth on here to spew anything "against" the president.
And yes, the GOP are dividing our country re: races. That said, enjoy your time under them again but this time don't whine about it OK. I'm sick and tired of posters who "defend" the president being trashed on. Its like going to the RW sites.
tblue
(16,350 posts)I don't want to engage with you because i believe you really don't want to hear what I have to say. Your mind is made up, closed IMHO. And I don't go around telling people off or telling people what to do or how to think or feel. That's your thing, not mine.
Be compliant all you want or hate on people who post here. Or don't. Who cares? I won't try to stop you or tell you what to do. That would be disrespectful and childish.
ucrdem
(15,720 posts)A grossly insensitive if not consciously racist parapraxis. Freudian slip you might say. I'm sure she would deny it.
Response to karmalk (Reply #10)
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tblue
(16,350 posts)Who wears that? She was so emotional. Sheesh! Take a chill pill, woman! Who acts like that in a place like that? And yes she chose a very tasteless word. All I heard was "pimp pimp pimp pimp pimp." Who talks like that?
I can't get over that pink shirt.
Skip Intro
(19,768 posts)She called one of thier leaders a pimp, not Obama.
But she did criticize Obama, and here's a brand new DU member calling her racist.
You're the third member who just joined who I've seen do that - twist words around to call someone criticizing Obama a racist.
Do you think that's a normal, expected thing to find? Just coincidence? Three just in a couple of days all practically posting the same thing.
Or is it more like a call went out?
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)Now I see it all the time.
ProSense has too many posts so ya' know 'shut up already.'
This person has too few.
You guys need to make up your minds.
Skip Intro
(19,768 posts)Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)Skip Intro
(19,768 posts)like once every.....few months I guess. Don't know how much more of it I can take. It's horrible!
The newly frequent tactic of calling people racist if they criticize an elected official though, well, that only shuts down genuine discussion and debate on DU, so it pales in comparison.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Skip Intro is tops, as a DUer and as a person.
Alleging otherwise reveals what you are, geek tragedy.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Of course, Skip thinks the Democrats are trying to take his guns away too . . .
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Here's how I know him or her:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2089663
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)because Michelle is supposedly unpatriotic and because of Jeremiah Wright.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5103525
nxylas
(6,440 posts)That was clearly the context of the word, and I don't doubt for a minute that she would have used the same word had Bush or Romney been doing it.
sibelian
(7,804 posts)ucrdem
(15,720 posts)I thought she got smacked down but good and twice but ymmv. And purely from personal experience I predict that as well-meaning as she may have felt herself the net result will be to move the needle not a millimeter or to move it in the direction opposite the one she seems to be aiming for.
alp227
(33,261 posts)back in 2011 Ireland LOVED O'bama...
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)All lofty talk will not help the next occupant.
okaawhatever
(9,565 posts)acting like sycophants and worshiping the Obamas. Since a bunch of her fellow politicians didn't agree, i'd say he's doing okay. Since she's been kicked out of two political parties all ready, i'd say she may have the dissenting opinion.
Cha
(318,697 posts)okaawhatever
(9,565 posts)She's only been kicked out of two political parties so far ?Hard to believe a statesman like her.
I'd take offense at what she said about our President, but seeing what she's said about her own country her words for the Obama's were kind.
treestar
(82,383 posts)Who knew? Why doesn't she close Gitmo right now? Undo the NSA while she's at it.
Pholus
(4,062 posts)Check out meaning 1, especially the latter half of it.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/destroy
"It pays to enrich your word-power!"
ReRe
(12,185 posts)K & R !
That lady ate his effing lunch and then turned around an regurgitated it all over him again! Did you hear how he toned down just a tad after her second round at him? I say she won the debate, hands down! Thank you Segami.
Generic Other
(29,080 posts)Dressed like leprechauns in green hats and red, white and blue. Wow. She knows how to insult a person. This is what I believe the Irish druids were famed for -- the ability to deliver a blow with words!!
malthaussen
(18,551 posts)Generic Other
(29,080 posts)The traditional druidic curse was a satirical incantation, seen as potent magic. The ability to curse with words was greatly feared as mocking words had the power "to raise blisters on the face or even cause death through sheer humiliation." It was called the Glam Dicin and brought sickness, shame and death. I think the distinction between who wielded this power was lost through time. Druids were sorcerers.
Mostly bards were storytellers, singers, poets, musicians, particularly harpers, historians and clan genealogists.
I think the druids have more magical abilities thus the ability to curse or cause one to die of humiliation. I think we can agree that this is an interesting way to kill a person. And that it is a long standing Irish tradition to use words against one's foes.
I teach mythology and am always interested in knowing more about the Celtic/Gaelic traditions! Why do you think this tradition is primarily bardic?
malthaussen
(18,551 posts)I tend to think of bards and skalds as the fourth Estate, and the Druids as the first. I wasn't aware of the curse you cite, and somehow I figured bards would be the ones to kill with sarcasm, whereas the druids have so many other ways to kill one. Although historically priests haven't been too shabby when it comes to verbal fencing, I'd have thought the tools would be a bit rustier than those of the bards, for whom words are a vocation. But I am only a casual wanderer in the field of ancient Celtic myth, so I probably just conflated a bit of stuff read over the years. I do seem to recall it being mentioned that bards and skalds were quite feared for their ability to destroy one through mockery, but perhaps that was meant to be applied to one's reputation and not to be taken literally.
-- Mal
Coyotl
(15,262 posts)Watch those stats climb.
Generic Other
(29,080 posts)Here's her contact info.
Phone: 01-6183390
Email: clare.daly@oireachtas.ie
http://www.claredaly.ie/contact/
Progressive dog
(7,598 posts)Sounds to me like an ignorant angry Irish nationalist who opposed the peace process in Northern Ireland.
Peregrine Took
(7,583 posts)Generic Other
(29,080 posts)Aside from Grayson, McDermott, Warren, Sanders -- a few voices -- who ever sytands up to defend ordinary Americans like that in our Congress?
Progressive dog
(7,598 posts)but I'll stick with angry and ignorant as my adjectives. Actually reminded me of Michele Bachmann.
polly7
(20,582 posts) stevenleser
(32,886 posts)to like them, it became clear that this lady's beef wasn't about policy.
polly7
(20,582 posts)kissing ass and fawning all over them. So she didn't say the politically correct things ...... BFD.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Someone genuinely interested in the global policies, someone so concerned about them they would overshadow the important and fragile peace situation in their own country, would have no use for talking about the first lady and children.
polly7
(20,582 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)polly7
(20,582 posts)No, it's just a typical response to something I can't be bothered addressing, it's so meaningless.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)You've bought into this persons obvious opportunism and demagoguery.
polly7
(20,582 posts)Swagman
(1,934 posts)that Michelle appeared on a pub with St Bono who preaches to the world but doesn't pay his taxes in Ireland...it isn't always about you and your president for God's sake..
and watching the way the media treats these visits to other countries looks like sycophantic rubbish to me.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)And spare me the diatribe about "Its not about the President" that's B.S., when you attack the first lady, of course its about the President. It's a cowardly way to attack the President by proxy.
Yes, you're right, the media should attempt to make all the people of the host country hate anyone who visits. I'm sure you think it was great that hundreds of thousands of diplomatic cables were willy-nilly leaked by manning/assange too. We can't have countries actually trying to behave diplomatically with each other right? We should make that as difficult as possible and promote bad will.
in case it's necessary
quakerboy
(14,845 posts)I admit I am a bit ADHD at the moment, due to a variety of things, but I didnt take away an attack on the first lady. In so far as she came up, I primarily heard an attack on on the priorities of the Irish Press in apparently choosing to provide what this woman felt was overmuch coverage to fluff, specifically meal plans of a visiting dignitary, as opposed to covering things that she feels are more important, such as drone killing and weapon shipments to war torn countries.
I feel the same sort of irritation with our press when they go gaga over irrelevant fluff bits and forget to have major news items as even a secondary mention.
As I consider this, This woman did a favor to the president. The white house should be posting this everywhere for all to see. This is what a socialist thinks of the president. Try and call him a socialist now, RW punk.
gtar100
(4,192 posts)rather than on the fact she was eating with a tax dodger (is that true?). Oh, I suppose you could look at that as a criticism of First Lady Obama, however, the point I saw was leveled at the Irish press, not Ms. Obama and especially not the kids. Raising questions is not an "attack", trying to hurt someone is and I don't think her questions had the point of trying to hurt someone unless her allegation was blatantly false. I'd be interested in knowing more about that lunch that has nothing to do with what they ate. Is that allegation true that she was having lunch with an apparently known tax dodger? If not, you have a point on which to discredit her. If it's true, it would be rather disappointing because I hold Michelle Obama in high esteem.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)As did several other folks here.
You have totally fallen for the amateurish tactics of an opportunistic demagogue.
gtar100
(4,192 posts)But I'm quite certain I could convince you of nothing except your own opinion.
Segami
(14,923 posts)http://zeroanthropology.net/2013/06/22/obama-is-a-war-criminal-clare-daly-speaks-for-all-of-us/
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)I am surprised you were not able to discern that.
I guess your ears sort of pricked up when she said Mrs. Obama and the kids and your knee jerked wildly and your ears shut off.
But yeah, that was the point --that the media will discuss clothing and what the kids eat, but not real issues.
tblue
(16,350 posts)to demand compliance I just can't wrap my brain around.
Crazy times, polly7. We are through the Looking Glass.
polly7
(20,582 posts)is just a hysterical, jealous harpy and shouldn't be taken seriously. Meanwhile, drones are still killing and Syrian radical Islamist rebels are rubbing their hands in anticipation of the arms they're about to receive (never mind they've already received plenty ... we just don't talk about that).
Progressive dog
(7,598 posts)polly7
(20,582 posts)Because I've never seen such a lame comparison on this board ....... ever.
Progressive dog
(7,598 posts)She went after all the Obamas, including the children.
polly7
(20,582 posts)When Obama stops the killing of unnamed, innocent children with drones, I'll try to shed a little tear when an obviously upset politician expresses views about how her country and it's politicians fall over themselves to treat others like royalty while ignoring that CHILDREN are fucking dying because of U.S. / Obama's foreign policy.
Progressive dog
(7,598 posts)You listened and understood and made clear where you stand.
She's still an ignorant angry Irish nationalist.
polly7
(20,582 posts)those who implement it are deserving of criticism. Bit suffocating isn't it to consider that not everyone in the world agrees with this?
You have a great day now. I have better things to do than watch so many people crying over a bit of long overdue truth.
Progressive dog
(7,598 posts)You have a great day too, perhaps you can find more angry ignorant politicians to look up to.
Generic Other
(29,080 posts)could justify the wars while denying decent healthcare and addressing social issues. She said promises were made and broken. No lie.
I am not a fast enough typist but I thought she made rather strong arguments:
"A bit of balance about the president and his wife over the almost unprecedented slobbering over them that the nation has been exposed to...sycophantic fawning over them by the media and the political establishment...the biggest irony of all the pronouncement of Obama himself in his speech to the children of Northern Ireland on peace when he said 'Those who choose the path of peace, I promise you that the United States will support you in every step of the way. We will be the wind at your back.' Now I ask you is this person going for the hypocrite of the century award? We have to call things by their right name...this man is a war criminal...this is the man stalling the Geneva Peace talks...200% increase in the use of drones...are we a nation of pimps prostituting ourselves...I expected to find the cabinet decked out in leprechaun hats decorated with a bit of stars and stripes to really mark abject humiliation here...I have great respect for our American brothers and sisters...rather than just pimping this nation as a tax haven for their corporations I am sure the Americans would far prefer their multinationals pay their taxes at home rather than offshore here so they can develop their healthcare and so they wouldn't be wasting money on arms sent to slaughter people in other countries."
So what exactly has she said that is a lie?
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)on him and praise the attack and the attacker no matter the form, no matter how obvious it is that the person isn't what they seem. We all know the term for it.
Obama Derangement Syndrome.
polly7
(20,582 posts)Someone got insulted. How typical to latch onto the 'omg, she insulted our leader's family'!!!!! part of her address while ignoring the message. Thin skin ya got there, steven!
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)All the while praising them as if they have some sort of point. Attacking kids and the spouse of politicians, ignoring the fragile peace process in their own country.
It's also funny that you pointedly ignore or can't see one of the oldest tactics in the book. The Grabbing of headlines by attacking the most prominent person that you can.
This person is an opportunistic demagogue, nothing more. That's what you have bought into and you can't even tell!
polly7
(20,582 posts)over a foreign policy that kills, maims, decapitates, makes orphans of, makes homeless innocent children, to a supposed slight from a woman also disgusted at the butt-kissing she's seeing from people she's trying to work with to stop these horrors. Newsflash: There really ARE others in the world, you know ........ children even, and some of us are sickened and disgusted that only a certain few seem to matter anymore. You don't like her message, too bad.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)audience who will love what they say and promoting themselves to that audience is their only goal. They are both opportunistic demagogues, nothing more. THIS woman is brave:
A person in the western world ranting in their parliament or legislature is not brave. No one is going to physically harm you for speaking your mind in a legislature in the western world. She knew exactly what she was doing.
Monkie
(1,301 posts)you know, war crimes, behaving in the way terrorists do when they bomb the ambulances that turn up at after a attack.
because there are some progressive lovers of war crimes and bombing rescue workers on this forum, but those rescue workers might have a different skin colour, or religion than most people in the US..
some of these people even accuse the critics of the NSA program overreach as racists, which takes some "guts" if your are also supporting the droning of innocent brown rescue workers.
tblue
(16,350 posts)Oh my gosh. That's so insulting. Are you a Unionist? Supporting the oppressor? I know their history and it is amazing. Unbelievable.
Progressive dog
(7,598 posts)Yes, I stand by what I said.
Progressive dog
(7,598 posts)by her gratuitous insults against the Obamas. I do not support them killing each other in N. Ireland.
tblue
(16,350 posts)But thanks for clarifying. They've gone through hell over there for centuries. It's heartbreaking. Her rant is fair game. I don't agree with you, but you have every right to speak against it. The Irish have been screwed over by empirical British powers in the most odious ways. I mean starved and robbed and marginalized in their own country. Lands taken away. Forced to tear down their own homes! Of course some of them bristle at the thought of being misused by another powerful nation. I'd never deny them the right to protect themselves.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)QC
(26,371 posts)
loli phabay
(5,580 posts)Or worse than the rest, i dont get this idea that if you dont idolise the man then you have issues.
forestpath
(3,102 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)polly7
(20,582 posts)Disclaimer: I am not comparing Obama to Bush, but both women have legitimate questions and opinions and I think they're braver than hell asking them. It's just too bad they're shot down for the flimsiest of bullshit.
Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)I agree with Progressive dog above. She is a Michelle Bachmann type.
When you attack the first lady and the kids and how much people in Ireland liked them, you're beyond disagreements about policy.
We may never know the real motivation behind her nastiness, but it wasn't policy. She was probably using the occasion of the most high profile leader visiting to demagogue and grab headlines.
snappyturtle
(14,656 posts)I think if you re-listen to Clare Daly's words concerning Michelle and the girls she was targeting the fawning press and choice of luncheon partner. Daly actually was pretty consistent in calling Bono a tax exile with her criticism of her country being a tax haven. And, I have to agree that the
(pandering?) "wind behind your back" remark to the Irish children is hypocritical coming from an aggressive drone advocate. In the half minute Daly was commenting on Michelle she mentioned Michelle's "home" reference. You know that all these remarks are thoughtout well in advance of the visit and it might have come across better to have said, "It's wonderful to re-visit Barack's ancestral home rather than something to the effect of "it's good to be home".
If nothing else, it's evident that all is noticed these days with instant coverage of everything. I think Daly was trying to get her countrymen to look at the visiting dignitary in relationship to policies rather than as a popular world figure. imho
TeeYiYi
(8,028 posts)I'm on my phone and don't have the bandwidth to watch a 12 minute vid.
TYY
MichiganVote
(21,086 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)all the time on the House floor. Plenty of free speech here. It's just that seething Obama-hating Trots don't win elections here.
MichiganVote
(21,086 posts)And frankly, I agree with some, not all, of it.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Haters rarely admit to hating.
MichiganVote
(21,086 posts)or something, that they are in "hate" with that.
Definition of disgust
A feeling of revulsion or profound disapproval aroused by something unpleasant or offensive.
Verb
Cause (someone) to feel revulsion or profound disapproval.
Synonyms
noun. loathing - nausea - abhorrence - repugnance - aversion
verb. sicken - nauseate - revolt
Definition of HATE
a : intense hostility and aversion usually deriving from fear, anger, or sense of injury
b : extreme dislike or antipathy : loathing <had a great hate of hard work>
I heard profound disapproval in the speakers comments but I did not hear extreme dislike of President Obama. So we'll disagree it seems.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Denouncing Obama and his family is the sign of a hater. Cheering such hatred is also the practice of haters.
Same stuff as when someone would denounce Bush before 2009.
Some people here hate Obama as much as they hated Bush. They are not allies of us Democrats.
MichiganVote
(21,086 posts)Michelle Obama comment about 'coming home', while she may have intended to be warm, home is a particularly value laden word in Ireland and never one to be used lightly. Its a cultural thing.
Obama is not an asshole. Bush was and is.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)and "hypocrite of the century."
And whined about Michelle Obama.
That's hate, not policy.
MichiganVote
(21,086 posts)Sides' Obama and every other human being is a hypocrite at some time. We all know that.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)The choice of the word 'destroy' is a revealing choice.
As is the fact that a bunch of DUers got aroused by the idea of someone 'destroying' our President by personally vilifying him and his family.
The diary's recommenders by and large are the Obama-hating fringe that had to STFU during election season, because their 'contributions' would be rightfully seen as hoping Obama would not win re-election.
It's a good list to determine who is on what side. I note the absence of some very harsh critics from the list of people supporting this hategasm.
DevonRex
(22,541 posts)RW site,with the joyful reactions to harsh words about President Obama overseas.
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)The absolute glee they express when they see the President criticized by someone/anyone is a site to behold.
GoCubsGo
(34,883 posts)Response to DevonRex (Reply #72)
Segami This message was self-deleted by its author.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)festival. Look what happens when you call out Rand Paul.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023065177
Still, you have to remember that this is a place where Obama is called a war criminal, but they love him and would vote for him again.
It's a place where Obama deserved to be dumped, but they voted for him in his re-election landslide.
I started a thread claiming that people were trying to call the President a liar and another where I stated that the implication was that his actions were illegal. Both were met with claims that I was creating a straw man.
War criminal high-five!!!
DevonRex
(22,541 posts)rides into the 2016 nomination. Or that he is the candidate supported by the racist Tea Party. Or that he also inherits those old Ron Paul voters because they hope he believes the same things, too, like stopping the drug war. Those voters closed their eyes to Ron's racist views because of the drug thing. To them, the only inequities in our justice system are drug related. Take away drug convictions and no black men will be wrongfully convicted of anything, right?
And it never occurs to anyone, seemingly, that Rand is a Republican. That this is happening with the help of a huge Republican machine behind the scenes. Within the IRS and the CIA and in Congressional hearings. Gee, I wonder whose party line Rand Paul will toe once he wins the Presidency? Could it be the corporate Republican party line - the ones who love to outsource all their manufacturing jobs to China and avoid US taxes? Like Michael Dell!
Did you know Edward Snowden worked for Dell? He did. A smart person would check that out. Interesting links there. Michael Dell not paying his taxes, outsourcing to China, Dell in the IT Security business. HQ in Texas. Gave $250,000 for GWB inaugural. Ron Paul is from Texas, too. What a small world!!
freshwest
(53,661 posts)
If you don't, you're just a warmongering authoritarian determined to steal civil liberties.
If you have a problem with the Libertarian movement in government taking away civil rights for women and lesser citizens, you don't know what's really important.
DevonRex
(22,541 posts)Hey did you see that The Guardian is claiming the Privacy & Civil Liberties Oversight Board either doesn't exist (since their crack reporter couldn't find it) OR that Evil Obama is keeping them secret because, well, they don't know why but they'll make that part up later.
Hilarious. Anyway the information is on Wikipedia. Their names and everything. But it's a super duper secret from the intellectuals at The Guardian, who can't Google their way out of a paper bag without a leaker showing them how.
treestar
(82,383 posts)going on well into August 2012
Barack_America
(28,876 posts)Notice her recommendation that tax dollars be diverted from war to healthcare. I doubt she'd find much support on RW sites.
DevonRex
(22,541 posts)comment on the particulars of what the woman said. Parliament there and in England can be a bit rough and tumble and I commented on the reactions to that, not the specific points underneath the attention-getting language.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)They should just own that hate.
DevonRex
(22,541 posts)Said he hated Bush for the same things, etc, etc. But never said the concluding sentence. It didn't matter because the meaning was clear. And it was honest. I appreciated it. And I don't blame the person for leaving the last sentence out. The board has rules, after all.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)authoritarian cultists, but then act like they're victims if 1/10th the spice comes back at them, cuz we're all progressives here, right.
Plenty of people here--this thread's recommenders are a good start--hate the Democrats as much as the Tea Party does, and they view the destruction of the Democratic Party as a condition precedent to true progress.
They're not allies, never will be.
FSogol
(47,600 posts)DevonRex
(22,541 posts)Just as GG himself is not an ally. Or Ron Paul and his son, the Tea Party darling.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)Like the Koches, they want this government gone for their 'freedom.' Which won't grant any to those who aren't in the 1%. They can call themselves leftist or liberal libertarians, but they have met the right or conservative libertarians in the same place.
The only thing standing them and their Koch friends is the Democratic Party. No, they are not our allies, they will ratfuck us into losing elections and majorities, then come back to mock us for not getting done what we want. They were a big part in not getting those majorities to affect change. Because they would not stoop to our level and work within the system, as it's 'dirty.' I've never seen a pile of dishes or laundry clean itself, nor can government by those gleefully wanting to destroy those trying.
Which is liberal. Which is progressive. And is solely related to the government, which they hate. They hate the Equality that so many have fought and died for. Literally died, were tortured, murdered and slaughtered wholesale. They will never find anything right with Democrats.
See the emphasis on anything legislated, which they call 'statism.' That is why they call us authoritarians and war mongers. They totally ignore the warfare that a Randian system is based on. It is class warfare, which they deny exists. Note they find Democrats close to communists, and Republicans close to nazis.
Those are forms of government. That is what they want gone. They want the government gone and for people to have no one to arbitrate between the rich or stop them getting richer. Just like the Koches. Not allies. Wolves in sheep clothing here to devour our belief system with all the zealotry and hatred of the most rabid fundamentalist cult.
I'm glad some of them are finally saying what they're about. Saying they'll vote for Rand. Saying they'll never vote for a Democrat. Saying that those of us who oppose their cult, and it is a cult, should shut the hell up.
They claim the free market will handle everything and that is liberty and freedom. We have not had, nor will we ever have the idealized free market they speak of because even if government did not exist, other large entities would control resources and rights. They won't talk about them, they want them free to get bigger.
That has not worked in the past. It is robber baron worshipping social darwinism. It was rejected by progressive and liberals. It is not what DU's mission statement establishes:
Democratic Underground is an online community for politically liberal people who understand the importance of working within the system to elect more Democrats and fewer Republicans to all levels of political office. Teabaggers, Neo-cons, Dittoheads, Paulites, Freepers, Birthers, and right-wingers in general are not welcome here. Neither are certain extreme-fringe left-wingers, including advocates of violent political/social change, hard-line communists, terrorist-apologists, America-haters, kooks, crackpots, LaRouchies, and the like.
We are certainly see them post here. And the TOS also states:
Everyone here on DU needs to work together to elect more Democrats and fewer Republicans to all levels of American government. If you are bashing, trashing, undermining, or depressing turnout for our candidates during election season, we'll assume you are rooting for the other side.
While that is narrow, speaking of election season, most of us are aware that the electoral loss in 2010 was not actually in that election season. It was the stated goal of the GOP as Obama was being sworn in. It was 2 full years of a massive propaganda campaign ostensibly from the right, but with their libertarian supporters, the 'left' also propagandized heavily.
Everything that did not go exactly as Obama and the Democrats planned and that things would not go as planned was a Koch plot. Their solution in each instance was anything but voting for Democrats. Because that would work. They did not want it to work, it wasn't good enough.
That has been proven again and again, and it is ratfucking. It has lost good Democrats elected office for over 40 years. It is not a game, it has transformed this country into something very hard to move forward with. All of that was detailed in stories posted here at DU. And this is also another session of ratfucking that has built since the first week Obama won an exhausting campaign last year.
The ones who hate the Democrats and Obama, and our government as an evil entity, were frothing with rage about being denied their chance to bash the party, so they contented themselves with despair trolling. They did not allow Democrats here to have one week in celebration over a massive attempt to stop us voting, and having to fight against the most incredibly dishonest and regressive campaign ever. The money poured in was so obviously intent on getting a 'robosigner' in the White House.
This was stated by Norquist, and the Koches even came out of their vipers nest to show their faces along with Adelson at the GOP convention. The infamous place where racism was clearly on display. In contrast, the DNC in Charlotte was a model of the Democratic dream for America. Working on diversity and inclusion. That is what Obama is about. And it is done by the government that freed the slaves, gave women the right to vote and privacy, that set a more equal playing field.
When I see libertarians and their supporters complain about the social safety net, I almost vomit from the dishonesty. They don't believe in it, but they are here to point out every failure, supposed failure. and none of the successes. They know what good thing our Democratic programs have done and they hate it.
They hate us. We are the statist, welfare loving moochers who they say are denying their rights. Their right to screw us without a kiss and tell us we don't matter if we don't have money.
And they don't care about rights for every person in this country. Their so called liberty and freedom doesn't extend to women, POC, gays and emigrants except in lip service. And they are absent from threads about civil rights. Because equal pay is an economic drain to their profit. They simply can't see these lesser persons, any more than Fox News expected all those invisible people to re-elect Obama.
We are beneath their level of society and concern. They are all into the 'important' things. We are about survival and take it seriously. Our work for generations has given us a frame work to take care of people most don't respect or care about unless they can find a failure. We, the invisible, the ones they want to shut up.
This is about 2014. The election began the day Obama was returned to office. They've nearly a year in ratfucking accomplished and they have the money an media to carry it all the way until a loss in 2014. The negativity is designed to depress the vote.
2010 didn't happen in 2010. 2014 will not happen in 2014. It is now, every day that people are being ratfucked away from the Democrats and told that the government needs to go away. When you see the CT and the accusations, they alway point to the government. Numerous threads are posted, but they will not cheer one good thing, or any reforms Which says they want it gone..
For example, those who term all LEOS as jackbooted thugs, etc., don't go to confront the people that are raping babies and killing the disabled and homeless. They never add to those threads, the civil liberties warriors tare conspicously absent. Those people must not be important, but Greenwald and Rand are important.
Sorry, us lesser folks may be invisible to them, but those who savage those working to make things better, we can see you just fine. We're not the sheeple they call us. We just have a diferent point of view. Not quite so lofty as they do. They don't care if women live in The Handmaiden's Tale. They don't care about the poor, education or health care, they only wail about the extremes and deny what is being done by Obama and the Democrats. They never celebrate traditional Democratic values.
That's my opinion. Everyone has one. I am not stupid. I can see and hear and think, very well.
Number23
(24,544 posts)Verbatim quotes from a thread on this topic on Free Republic http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3034340/posts
Spot the difference between that thread and this one! If you can't, then you're catching on to why this site has been an unflushed toilet for a few years now.
DevonRex
(22,541 posts)Except that we are now hunted here. On DU. Oh well. The trend has been clear for a long time.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)Right there between :12 and :22. But like Val and Earle, there are people we care about here and elsewhere. So while the wind at our backs would feel good, we're not going to give up.
We can see that the 'damn things are under the ground' at Democratic Underground want to destroy what 'we the people' need, since they don't need it. The millions of people who need Obama to stand with them, instead his and our enemies, are not amused by these rantings, as they don't address the concerns of 'we the invisible.'
That FR post really did express the memes, including the racist ones. Posts are being hidden right now for being called 'racist,' when they mention that Obama's media detractors 'just so happen' to be white guys. They are the 1% establishment that lumps whole segments of the population together in their fuggitaboutit file. We the invisible aren't supposed to be seen, and we aren't supposed to heard. Well, fuggitabout that.
Claiming their mythical libertarian paradise, that comes in several varieties, but ends the government of we the people in every case, will magically provide equality, if the evil government would just get out of the way. They keep on denigrating those trying to work within a representative democracy by saying it's corrupt but are too exalted to work in that system to change it, as their 'freedom' must lie somewhere else.
Dirty laundry doesn't wash itself. Those of who do the dirty dishes and laundry have to get our hands dirty to do it, usually. No one is coming to clean up after us, as we are the lesser ones. Their philosophy of 'nothing government does is not good enough' didn't end slavery, didn't increase sufferage, labor rights and all the rest of the things we the invisible needed. Saying it doesn't matter, must mean one didn't need that. Oh, we see you, although you can't see us. Just because you are loud and used to running over others, we can still see you.
The mythology of no government is true freedom is a tried and proven failure that we've already seen in real life and been economically disadvantaged by it. People we know have had their lives shortened, their dignity taken away, but restored by Democratic programs wiseacres love to find fault with or call failures. I've posted the statistics, the success of those programs is unprecedented in history, but it's the quiet work that is invisible to media, just like us.
Those who have the luxury of contructing their philosophy, landed gentry and such, can wax eloquent on grandoise lofty ideas of civil liberties and not being messed with, when some of the big players in this world do need messing with, and not in sporadic outrage circuses, but at the ballot box. We the invisible have been messed with for a long, long time. So we have organized to protect our interests that are enshrined in the platform of the Democratic Party.
And we get called all kinds of names for it, but we know who is being attacked along with Obama and the Democrats. It's those they don't see and don't care about. Or else they'd stop claiming voting is worthless. Our votes changed the world. The world that is beneath these folks, invisible.
The GOP adores it, and now we have DUers using the exact same terms and on the same page, with a few caveats that don't mean a hill of beans in real life.
This 'but we're not racist' from Teabaggers, Republicans and Libertarians since Obama got elected. Then we get a serving of the exact same here at DU. Word for word. I've never called anyone who disagreed with Obama in policy a racist, but I don't give institutional, class racism and misogyny a pass, either. Because in real life, it doesn't give people I know about a pass.
We are not being served as progressives to ignore these things, but they are being derided and attacked here right now. Our president is the most fair minded leader we ever had in these issues, but our traditional ideas are crapped on. We the invisible see what is happening. If anyone thinks that Anonymous has a copyright on 'we do not forgive, we do not forget' they have not lived in a world that does not forgive us, although it has forgotten us and we see it.
Segami
(14,923 posts)The greatest irony of the visit was the protestations of President Obama in his speech about peace to children in Northern Ireland, in which he stated the following:
To those who choose the path of peace, I promise you, the United States of America will support you every step of the way. We will always be a wind at your back.
Is the US President seeking the hypocrite of the century award? We must call things by their right names. The reality is that by any serious examination, this man is a war criminal. He has just announced his decision to supply arms to the Syrian opposition, including jihadists, which will fuel the destabilisation of the region, continue to undermine secularism and set back conditions for women. President Obama is, in essence, stalling the Geneva peace talks by trying to broker enhanced leverage for the Syrian opposition by supplying it with arms and to hell with the thousands more Syrians who will lose their lives and the tens of thousands who will be displaced as the war continues. This is the man who facilitated a 200% increase in the use of drones which have killed thousands, including hundreds of children.
The Taoiseach has turned a blind eye to these activities. He spoke of the G8 summit being an opportunity to showcase Ireland. Is it not the case that he has showcased us a nation of pimps prostituting ourselves in return for a pat on the head? We were speculating this morning about whether the Taoiseach would deck out the Cabinet in leprechaun hats decorated with stars and stripes to mark our abject humiliation.
Deputy Tom Hayes: Bring back Mattie.
Deputy Clare Daly: What steps will the Taoiseach take to follow the correct decision made by his colleague, the Tánaiste and Minister for Foreign Affairs, Deputy Eamon Gilmore, to vote against a proposal to lift the arms embargo on Syria? What steps will he take to ensure no weapons destined for Syria will be transported through Shannon Airport in breach of our international duties as a neutral State? What steps will he take to showcase this country, not as a lapdog of US imperialism but as an independent nation with an independent foreign policy, one which takes a lead in international diplomacy to outlaw the use of drones, the favourite method of extermination of the Taoiseach's friend, President Obama?
Deputy Anthony Lawlor: Madame Putin.
The Taoiseach: Let me first confirm to Deputy Daly that President Obama did not inquire about her whereabouts or well-being. The Deputy's comments are disgraceful and do down the pride of Irish people all over the world who were more than happy to see Ireland host the G8 summit of the leaders of the most industrialised nations of the world. For the Deputy to criticise the American President for offering his continued support for the fragile peace process in Northern Ireland where more than 3,000 people lost their lives in 30 years is a disgraceful doing down. If she represents the Deputies on the back row of the benches opposite, the comments she made were beneath her. Even the comments made by her colleagues, in their brilliance, have never matched what the Deputy has said here.
I remind Deputy Daly that communities in Northern Ireland, various Irish and British Governments and politicians from Northern Ireland have put together a very fragile peace. Far be it for her to criticise somebody who wants to support this process visibly, personally and by providing the assistance of the United States. Some 35 million Irish Americans want the peace process to continue. The young student who introduced President Obama in Belfast put her finger on the matter when she stated that Northern Ireland has both a past and a future. That future is one where peace should abound in and across communities. It is beneath the Deputy to state the American President should not be a party to keeping the peace process alive and visible.
In so far as Syria is concerned, there was a serious discussion among members of the G8 at the summit. I am not sure whether Deputy Daly favours the Russian intervention or the position put forward by the European Union. While there was division among the countries of Europe about the lifting of the arms embargo on Syria, Ireland took a very clear position on the matter, one which was articulated by the Tánaiste, namely, that the embargo should not be lifted. The conclusion of the G8 summit was that the Geneva peace talks should proceed. Nobody wants to see wanton slaughter and the exodus from Syria of hundreds of thousands of people. Far from a warmongering discussion, the question is what can be done to bring about discussions and negotiations that will restore peace and a structure to allow Syria to continue in the time ahead without the obscenities and humanitarian crisis we have witnessed in the past two years.
Deputy John Halligan: The Americans are warmongering in Afghanistan, Iraq and South America. Hezbollah is using American arms.
Deputy Clare Daly: I did not say anything about the Northern Ireland peace process. While everyone supports the peace process, that does not give one a licence to do whatever one likes anywhere else around the globe. There is not much peace in Iraq where 26 people lost their lives yesterday, Afghanistan, Pakistan or Syria. My position on Syria is one of agreement with Oxfam, which issued the following statement on the issue:
Sending arms to the Syrian opposition won't create a level playing field. Instead, it risks further fuelling an arms free-for-all where the victims are the civilians of Syria. Our experience from other conflict zones tells us that this crisis will only drag on for far longer if more and more arms are poured into the country.
This is essentially what the Americans have done in Syria. I can only assume from the Taoiseach's failure to answer my question that he will not take steps to ensure arms are not sent through Shannon Airport in breach of our neutrality.
Deputy Clare Daly: ] He said here last week that no arms ever came through Shannon Airport. How does he know that given that no investigations take place? In 2012, 548 US planes landed in Shannon Airport. How does he know what was on them if they were never examined? In reply to a parliamentary question, the Minister for Transport, Tourism and Sport revealed that 239 civilian planes that landed in Shannon Airport sought permission because they were carrying munitions of war or dangerous goods on civilian aircraft. What steps will the Taoiseach take to intervene in this situation?
People in this country are very fond of our American brothers and sisters. We stand far more shoulder to shoulder with them by making valid criticisms of their President who has broken his election promises rather than just pimping this nation as a tax haven for their corporations. I am sure the Americans would far prefer their multinationals to pay their taxes at home rather than offshore here so that they could develop their health care and would not be wasting money on arms being sent to slaughter people in other countries.
The Taoiseach: As the Deputy is aware, 100,000 American people are employed by Irish-owned firms across 50 states, and it is something similar here from American invested corporates in this country. The American Government - I obviously do not speak for it - has taken a view in terms of withdrawal of its troops from Afghanistan and Iraq. There was not any intervention in terms of troops in Libya and there has not been any intervention in terms of troops in Syria. We have never supported rendition flights through Shannon Airport and it ill-behoves the Deputy to make comments that are not true.
http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/DebatesWebPack.nsf/takes/dail2013061900006?opendocument&highlight=slobbering%20over%20the%20Obama%20family
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts) Floyd_Gondolli
(1,277 posts)Lot of that going around lately.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Just in case anyone doubted that the fringe crowd hates Obama, there you go.
As far as Daly is concerned, she's a Trotskyite back-bencher, so unsurprising she'd launch into a hategasm targeting the US President and his family.
FSogol
(47,600 posts)
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)the political stage. The Obama-hating right has 100 times their power and influence. People actually care what the Rand Paul/Ted Cruz think, because they win elections and especially primaries.
FSogol
(47,600 posts)
The problem is that they don't have to do so much to stifle far left and left learning independent voters from turning out to vote in the 2014 mid-terms. To increase our control in the Senate and to take back the House, we need a good turn out. See the 2010 midterms.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)We lose midterms because our base tunes out in off-year elections, especially younger ones.
DevonRex
(22,541 posts)The message is that Obama, a Democrat, is evil. That's pretty much the uninformed, uncommitted voters who wind up deciding the 2014 and 2016 elections will hear. Whether they break Republican or 3rd party doesn't make any difference.
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)then they're entirely responsible for Boner and Cantor destroying the country.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Democrats in Congress, in governor's mansions, and in state legislatures are what counts now.
treestar
(82,383 posts)Eddie sure didn't last long.
Generic Other
(29,080 posts)He's a lame duck. Get over it. He only has a few more years to fuck things up. Then what?
No one ever accused us of drooling even when we foamed at the mouth over Bush. And dammit, it was about the very same issues. That is what makes this so freaking irritating all around.
BTW, a "Trotskyite"? Are you serious? The Cold War is calling you. They want their launch codes back.
Trotskyite! Sheesh. Is that a new way of calling someone a troll around here.
edit: typos
ucrdem
(15,720 posts)She can't have not known that the world would be watching while Barack attended the G8 in Belfast and the first family enjoyed Irish "hospitality" in the Republic. Not exactly hospitable, is it? I don't expect the Obamas will have much interest in returning and I can't say I'd blame them if they don't. But I'll be disappointed.
Generic Other
(29,080 posts)while the whole world goes to hell. The first two years all I heard was give him a chance. I tried to tone down my criticism focusing instead on the environment, to wait and see as so many counseled here. Question anything and you could expect to be challenged. I deliberately chose my battles wisely back then. Like Occupy. I didn't give up on being a lefty Democrat even though I could see our president wasn't one. The last two years were all about silencing any opposition as hurting our election chances. We were herded like sheep, except for one difference, we let you think you won. Yes, we voted for your candidate who was not quite as bad as Romney or a real Republican.
So he's in. And nothing has changed. Especially not the excuses for his own failings by attacking anyone who criticizes him. "A shameful spectacle...not hospitable"?
Too much civility in dealing with recalcitrant world leaders who will not or cannot get their shit together has brought us to this point in history. She is not obligated to feed the fantasy, to enable the delusion.
Neither is anyone else at this point. The only question remains will he help or hurt our chances in the next election. Or is he irrelevant?
ucrdem
(15,720 posts)Generic Other
(29,080 posts)We all know real women just smile and pass the teacakes.
Zoeisright
(8,339 posts)Read this, dear, and learn something. If you're capable of that.
http://whatthefuckhasobamadonesofar.com/
Generic Other
(29,080 posts)Blessed are we to live under a government that listens to our every word
and responds to our needs with smiles and deadly force.
Where we daily and unceasingly send men and women to foreign countries
to bring peace at the end of a smoking gun, democracy by remote control.
Where we watch our grandmothers eat cat food and our children slowly mutate
as the carcasses of bees pile up around their shoes.
Where we have to pay for healthcare we can't afford to use. Oh, how lucky are we.
Thank our leaders that we still can afford cheap slave labor -- even if it is us.
Yes, it is glorious to live in the new day, the dawning of time
when Americans can celebrate another 4th of July by shooting fireworks
in a classroom full of above average students taking tests with loaded questions.
Dandy days.
No more do the bankers get rich while we grow thin. The corporations never make us sick.
The needy no longer walk upright among us. We have evicted poverty,
foreclosed our borders, removed the high wire
so none would fall -- no need for safety nets at all.
Our government listens to us and and listens well.
Our president is our security blanket
who keeps us warm at night when the storm winds howl about our ears.
Oh thank you glorious leader! We bask in the golden light of your benevolent rule!
While we may have heard the same old song and dance before,
Thank you thank you for another spectacular performance.
If we fall asleep before the intermission and wake up to find someone
sitting beside us eating our popcorn, we authorize the use of pepper spray.
In his name. Amen.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Own your hate. Don't pretend whooping it up over someone 'destroying' Obama and insulting his family is about legit fears and complaints.
It's good old fashioned hate.
Generic Other
(29,080 posts)Just because I don't have much faith in his leadership because I find him to be a prevaricator who can't be trusted to do what he says he will. And I don't like people who say one thing and do another. I put up with 8 years of that under Bush. Seriously, I think I know the difference. Bush I despised to the point where the veins bulged in my forehead when I ranted. Obama has merely failed to live up to expectations. Probably no one could. We expected him to walk on water. I didn't know he wasn't willing to even get his feet wet. I do now.
I like the president's family. But they know criticism is sometimes part of the job. As for defending his actions to all the people attacking him, how am I supposed to do that and not look like you do? Because it has to be hard for you to defend at times too.
I don't have any hate I have to own. But if Google is where you learned about the Irish problems, you haven't lived the history my family has. There's a lot of Irish and Scots blood in this country. They don't have a history of bending the knee to anyone. They speak their minds to the high and mighty come what may.
gtar100
(4,192 posts)What you said is a lot of what I have been thinking as I've been reading through this post and all the comments. I don't hate Obama at all, in fact I have been desperately hoping he can succeed on so many things and have gotten really frustrated seeing him blocked at every turn by congressional repukes.
But I won't turn a blind eye to what's going on in the banking industry or what our military is doing or chained CPI or the next "free trade" agreement being pushed over on us or the Keystone pipeline or... it seems to never end. Progressive ideals - Democratic ideals - that lifted this country out of a great depression and brought about major social advances are now being spoon-fed to us while the same old right wing bullshit is being shoved at us by both republican and Democratic politicians which is only making our situation worse and worse (as in climate change, economic inequality, military expansion, violations of civil rights, violent suppression of OWS, etc).
I would love to see a strong, progressive, liberal Democratic party but note that I have to qualify the meaning of 'Democratic' because it's been polluted by blue dogs and corporatists who are Democratic only because it suits their needs. I think a lot of these people on this thread are doing a disservice to us by refusing to acknowledge that Obama has screwed over the progressive caucus time and time again while placating to repubs.
I can understand the fear one might have if in their judgment criticizing Obama equates to losing to republicans. But it's the repub's blindness to the hidden agenda of their politicians that makes their party so pathetic. Same goes for the Libertarians. DU is the perfect forum for us to keep from doing the same thing as them.
bluestate10
(10,942 posts)chorus to see what is going on, just another attack on a very good President. Who needs the right when we have such assholes among us?
bvar22
(39,909 posts)!
burnodo
(2,017 posts)If it wasn't so sad
cali
(114,904 posts)nothing admirable about her tirade. I find it particularly disgusting that she brought Michelle, Sasha and Malia into it.
Did she have some valid points? Yes, but so couched in over the top ranting that they were lost.
felix_numinous
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cali
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Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)You'll excuse me if I dont accept moral finger-wagging from a country where women die because abortion is illegal.
bluestate10
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maxrandb
(17,403 posts)ucrdem
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Civilization2
(649 posts)of non-human language, and lame attempts to attribute comments to her, that she never uttered.
The political lairs become clear, in their lack of clarity, and their desire to put words in others mouths,. that last bastion of scoundrels indeed.
pimp and whore,. power and needy,. some will grovel and lie to get what they need. sadly worst whores seem to hold the highest political office.
Skeeter Barnes
(994 posts)It only took her one sentence (at 7:05) to refute pretty much everything he said.
Arctic Dave
(13,812 posts)Instead we have ass kissers and nut cases.
michigandem58
(1,044 posts)Oh boy.
Arctic Dave
(13,812 posts)You forgot to mention something about his dog.
DeSwiss
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- Over and over and over and over and over..............
K&R
Stainless
(719 posts)Where were they when Saint Reagan and the Bush Bastards were committing their crimes against humanity?
fascisthunter
(29,381 posts)you should wear costume next time.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)avaistheone1
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malthaussen
(18,551 posts)... I cannot help but feel a pang of sorrow that we here have sunk to so low a point of morale that we applaud a representative of a foreign body for insulting the President of the United States while he is a guest in their country.
-- Mal
MineralMan
(151,148 posts)issues an attack on President Obama and his family and that attack is posted on DU, and the result of that is 123 DUrecs for the thread praising the attack.
That is my opinion about this thread.