Obama is a F*****G FRAUD | Daily Kos

[TakeALeftTurn]

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I gave this man $5000 in 2007 and spent many hours to canvass and phonebank for him.

I gave him another $500 in 2011 and again voted for him.

I bought the boohoo story of those meanie Republicans obatructing everything. I bought the story that we "won" with the ACA passing and broadended gay rights, but had to give up $800 billion of our hard earned money to bank crooks and let them drive away in their Bentleys to their 20 room mansions because he just couldn't do anything about it-- too big to fail. While us peons were left to fall.

They hoard and hide over $32 Trillion of wealth in the Caymans to avoid contributing to the society that helped them enrich themselves and they cry "SOCIALISM" when poor mothers and kids need help to find some modicum of GMO-made, cancer-inducing, diabetes-creating, cancer-causing suppliment food.

It's all a grand game, an act, a nation-sized con job.

There's no Republican or Democrats folks.

Just a giant stage on which a play of deception is played on the American people to believe we still live in a Democracy.

What it really is, is a game of Masters and Serfs.

Those "conspiracy theorists" don't sound so crazy anymore to me. Maybe their name is not "Illuminati", but it seems "they" are really there. In secret board rooms and meeting rooms, conjuring the strategems on how best to extract subservience and resources from the massses.

They get us all crazy about abortion, gay rights, prayer in schools, ACORN, Planned Parenthood, Britney Spears' couchie peeks, Beyonce's side-boobs while they steal, hoard, subvert and leech the lifeblood from the ideals this country was founded on-- a land by the people, for the people. They hit the hot buttons in all of us, liberals and tea baggers alike so we can waste our precious passions and energies in angry food fights about who's moralities are better than whom.

Read more at :-
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/06/20/1216665/-Obama-is-a-F-G-FRAUD

Update

If a jury does plan to review this thread, as some of the comments indicate, they should also take into account the writings of Professor Lawrence Lessig and his "Chesters".

How democracy really works in America.

http://www.ted.com/talks/lawrence_lessig_we_the_people_and_the_republic_we_must_reclaim.html

[Narkos]

1. More Alex Jones crap. What the fuck is going on?

[TakeALeftTurn]

2. I'm only reporting articles from Daily Kos

It's hardly the same thing as Alex Jones

[Tx4obama]

3. Heads up. A bit ago some one else posted the same article/link and the DU Jury locked/hid it.

Here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023077158

[flamingdem]

4. they should!

and people are recommending this mierda

[TakeALeftTurn]

25. If a jury does plan to review this thread they should also take into account the writings of

Professor Lawrence Lessig and his "Chesters"

http://www.ted.com/talks/lawrence_lessig_we_the_people_and_the_republic_we_must_reclaim.html

[AnotherMcIntosh]

35. That would slow things down.

[Narkos]

7. Jesus, it's outlandish the shit

being posted at DU and DK. Some weird shit

[geek tragedy]

5. DU is primarily an anti -Obama website these days.

Quickest path to 20 recs is denouncing Obama in personally insulting terms.

[TreasonousBastard]

11. There should be a difference between Democtatic Undergound...

and Democratic Undermining.

I seriously doubt these whiners have done shit for the party, any candidate, or anything at all.

[geek tragedy]

14. Open forum, mob rules. nt

[DevonRex]

21. This is way beyond undermining.

It's all-out war against Democrats. Cheering Pelosi's reception at a convention of idiots. Cheering China and Russia on above our own country. They treat Boxer like she's the enemy. Al Franken, too, since he sided with Obama on Snowden. They were happy that talks with Russia didn't go well. Thought Obama got what he deserved. That tells you what's going on if nothing else does.

[Summer Hathaway]

56. Right on!

[silvershadow]

60. That's because the Democrats lost their way...a looong time ago. It's now catching up to them.

It will be interesting to watch the fallout, to say the least.

[DCBob]

81. Actually I think some Democrats have lost their minds.

[Cha]

190. Assuming they had them to lose.

[aquart]

100. "Them"?

I adore the totalitarian purges-are-good-for-you it's-us-or-them mindset in which "us" is only allowed one opinion which is, coincidentally, ... yours.

[tridim]

152. +Pizza

[geek tragedy]

116. Are you a Nader voter or a Paul libertarian? nt

[silvershadow]

136. Neither. I am the canary in the coalmine. Ignore at your own peril. nt

[tridim]

153. It is 100% certain you are not a Democrat. You just admitted it.

Oops.

[silvershadow]

154. Whatever. If you think that I am not a Democrat, then it shows me more about your character than

you might care to recognize. Peace, my friend, from this really, really frustrated dyed-in-the-wool, Yellow-dog. (ps. I think the board you want is on another server)

[Eddie Haskell]

155. So true

[DCBob]

80. +1

[treestar]

93. +1

It is very clear.

[Bobbie Jo]

98. This. nt

[geek tragedy]

117. Same crew as always. Note how these people weren't active when the rules about

helping Republicans win were enforced.

[99th_Monkey]

55. The author of the Kos article claims he did this

"I gave this man $5000 in 2007 and spent many hours to canvass and phonebank for him.
I gave him another $500 in 2011 and again voted for him."


Just FYI. Your blanket dismissal of everyone who's at variance with the WH official policy
as just a bunch of slackers and whiners does not serve in any constructive way I can see.

I worked for Acorn doing voter reg, and I worked esp. hard because I supported Obama,
got into fights with my Sis who supported Hilary. I voted for Obama in both elections,
before he went off the rails, hard to the Right pretty much across the board.

What? Am I supposed to just "not notice"? Is that "the American way" now?

[DeltaLitProf]

67. You're supposed to do your homework

. . . and learn that the reports of Obama listening in on your phone calls are exaggerated nonsense. The NSA gets warrants, approved by judges, to do its surveillance. The report that several months of metadata from Verizon was acquired (through the use again of a warrant) does NOT merit a conclusion that your phones are being tapped.

If you're deciding based on reading Greenwald (who has not proffered a single document or corroborating fact for his contentions NSA is reading your emails), that Obama is a Right-winger, then he never really had you to begin with.

[99th_Monkey]

69. Homework, Shmomework.

Your hyperventilating a bit overmuch don't you think? ... Please show me ONE place
on DU, or anywhere, where I have said these words you are trying to stuff into my mouth.

You can't, because I never said any of that, ever. From the very first or second thing I read
a week ago, it was crystal clear that we are discussing "meta-data, NOT literally listening in"
on the content of the email or phone call. And your insistence on besmirching Greenwald is not
at all surprising, given your other comments.

Talk about not doing homework. Spare me.

[Bobbie Jo]

86. Key word.....

"Claims."

The internets are full of such things.

[99th_Monkey]

145. That's why I used the word "claims"

just reporting the facts. I never said I believed the claim, altho
I actually kinda do, because my situation is quite similar, having
worked and voted to help elect Obama in 2004 and '08. But this
is just a "claim" as well.

[geek tragedy]

118. Some anonymous troll claimed something and we're supposed to be impressed? Nt

[malaise]

83. +1,000

They're been here waiting for this opportunity.

[treestar]

92. +1

There are enough of them to get a jury to hide a post if you dare doubt that.

[Broward]

96. The only undermining being done

is by Obama and other party members pushing policies that undermine the core principles of what the Democratic Party once stood for.

[AverageJoe90]

106. Somehow, I don't think many of them have.....indeed. n/t

[cui bono]

64. If only there were no reason to criticize him. n/t

[geek tragedy]

105. Criticize, yes. Demonize and vilify, hardly.

For too many rigid ideologues, being wrong on a few issues makes being right on others irrelevant.

[RC]

132. For many here, Criticize equals demonize and vilify, if Obama is involved

Any criticism of the United States is even taken as criticism of Obama by a vocal group here.
Even when it happened under the bu$h administration.

[geek tragedy]

133. "Obama is a fucking fraud" and "Obama is a war criminal" and "hypocrite of the century" and

people rejoicing over someone "destroying Obama" and calling him a "traitor" and comparing Obama to various dictators, or Bush, is not policy criticism.

It's leftwing Teabaggerism, and deserves to be treated as such. It's not policy, it's hate in those cases.

[RC]

137. Well... Maybe if Obama campaign rhetoric were more in line with his actions, you might have case.

To say nothing about Obama continuing many of bu$h's policies and stacking his administration with Republicans. Ya think?

[geek tragedy]

138. You're offering policy criticism. The haters calling him a "fucking fraud"

just fucking hate him.

He has a big climate change announcement coming this week. GUARANTEED that the people hurling poo at him and his family this week will not have jack shit to say about it.

GUARANTEED. Because when they start hating someone that much, they ignore areas of agreement.

[cui bono]

146. For a large group on here any criticism at all is taken as demonization.

And for far too rabid supporters, being wrong is not even a possibility.

And when criticizing, one should not need to then say, oh, but he did do this and that that was positive to couch the criticism just to appease those who have a hard time hearing any criticism. I the discussion is about a particular issue and there is criticism I really don't think Obamacare passing needs to be brought up just to soften the blow.

[geek tragedy]

147. Non sequitur. Expressions of personal disgust and condemnation towards Obama as a human

being have got jack shit to do with policy.

Please do not act like anyone who objects to "Obama is a traitor/terrorist/war criminal/dictator/murderer" is trying to shift the debate away from policy.

[cui bono]

148. I didn't say shift the debate away from policy, but I've seen countless times when

there is a policy criticism and people jump in with excuses and demands for acknowledgment of anything good he's done. You know it happens.

My last response to you was simply to say that the opposite happens as well. But I'll add now that imho it is worse since it excuses away policy that is detrimental to us as a nation.

[geek tragedy]

149. Okay, we probably agree on both counts.

Of course people are going to bend over backwards to spin things in a positive light for him.

That's partisanship. We need hacks as well as noble shit-stirrers.

[JDPriestly]

68. We are pro-Social Security and anti-chained-CPI and anti-massive-surveillance.

If Obama is pushing programs we oppose, too bad for him. He should be on our side. He should be on the people's side. We all worked for and supported Obama. He needs to work for and support us. That's the way democracy and politics are supposed to work. Obama is the problem, not those of us who criticize his stances on Social Security and his unconstitutional surveillance program.

Please see my post on Thurgood Marshall's dissent in Smith v. Maryland.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023080703

[geek tragedy]

102. Of course, the issues where he agrees with us are irrelevant--those two issues

place him in the category of irredeemable evil for the seethers.

P.S. Chained CPI died a while ago--same time as the Grand Bargain did.

[SidDithers]

89. +1...nt

Sid

[Andy823]

170. Yep

And every day it just gets worse with more and more anti Obama posts getting over 50 recs! It's really getting insane.

[tarheelsunc]

184. I've noticed that as well. It's sad what this place is coming to. eom

[NorthCarolina]

196. Perhaps the site you are truly looking for is ObamaUnderground.com

[geek tragedy]

197. Nope, just a site that is for Democrats and not Paul/Nader fans. nt

This is Democratic underground, not Green Party or Libertarian underground

[HiPointDem]

27. what's the connection to alex jones? i'm not seeing it.

[hopemountain]

185. seriously? alex jones feeds off of

demonizing President Obama.

[HiPointDem]

186. that doesn't mean that any criticism of obama is sponsored by alex jones. however, this

particular poster apparently filched this from that site -- but that wasn't immediately obvious since there were no links to jones.

[BehindTheCurtain76]

71. wake up...pretty please

Narkos...Ive noticed you are often the first one to advocate for the false notion that Obama is different than Bush. Yes he appears different but the results are the same and actually worse in my opinion because Obama has defused and neutralized any opposition to the 1%'s policies by convincing some that he will eventually change things....I think most intelligent people have abandoned that false hope. The whole thing IS a con, a goodcop vs badcop, right vs left, us vs them game where the rich laugh all the way to the bank. Crying "Alex Jones" every time someone points out the uncomfortable truth is getting tiring and sophomoric. The FACT is this country has gone over edge and we live in a police state where the establishment exists only to protect the interests of the ultra-wealthy. Everyone I know is sick of it and guess what...I do not hang out with any republicans. The recent NSA scandal is a perfect example of the criminality and corruption that has occurred. How can you defend Obama and act like it's a wild-eyed conspiracy theory to postulate about his crimes when we have 2 million people incarcerated in this country for crimes they conspired to commit? Ex NSA analyst Russ Tice who exposed Bush's illegal wiretapping in 2005 said last week that he was ordered to wiretap mostly lawyers and judges and many politicians and journalists too. He specifically named Samuel Alito and even Obama when he was running for senator in 2004. He said this was done to get leverage against these men and it sure would explain Obama's flip flop on the Telecom Immunity Act in 2008. This is what the conversation should be about...Obama, Bush and all the rest of these spineless politicians have plenty of places in the media to push their version of events so I am bemused as to why you insist on defending these team players here.

[ReRe]

78. I guarantee you....

... you won't find Lawrence Lessig on Alex Jones.

[SidDithers]

87. Welcome to the New DU...

Once, we had a Terms of Service around here. Not so much anymore, it seems.

Sid

[madrchsod]

157. no shit....

i was banned in 2002 or 3 for 4 days for something far less than what is passing today.

[undergroundpanther]

6. exactly right

I am pissed at the betrayals,but they go further back than obama.Clinton betrayed us..too

The rich they are the problem,they are the sociopath arrogant parasites, who want to rule the world with"full spectrum domination"the corporations they have others run for them are wealth extraction machines that steal everything,the market is rigged.The people are being abused and have been abused for a very long time.posse.Good news there are millions of us,and only a few of them.Bad news is too many people can't see through the ruse...yet.and these sociopaths are master manipulators knowing how to pull on our emotions and they build loyal posse's around themselves.

[geek tragedy]

9. The author of this piece got banned from Daily Kos

for being a hate-filled troll.

But DU--being an anti -Obama site, laps the hate up.

[TexasTowelie]

18. There are some limits apparently.

In response to post #8:

At Sun Jun 23, 2013, 10:53 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Guillotines seem the most humane way to deal with them.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3080273

REASON FOR ALERT:

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate. (See <a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=aboutus#communitystandards" target="_blank">Community Standards</a>.)

ALERTER'S COMMENTS:

Calling for Obama to have his head chopped off.

JURY RESULTS

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sun Jun 23, 2013, 11:00 PM, and the Jury voted 5-1 to HIDE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT and said: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT and said: Terminate this stupidity. It's embarrassing and extremely ir-responsible. Posted solely for status amongst certain cliques around here and for no constructive effect whatsoever.
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT and said: Threatening the life of the president and/or elected leaders is seditious and significant reason to be banned. I hope that MIRT was notified when the alert was made.
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT and said: fuck this noise.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: The poster is not referring to Obama but the 'bank crooks'. Comment is extreme but maybe not hide worthy. Try talking to them?
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT and said: It seems to me as if this was tongue in cheek, but who knows? I doubt the poster is seriously advocating violence, but to be on the safe side, I voted to hide.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[HiPointDem]

39. i don't see anything about his being banned when i go to his profile page.

http://www.dailykos.com/user/liquidstoke

he posted a comment as recently as friday.

[geek tragedy]

50. The mojo indicator is a skull and crossbones. nt

[Gravitycollapse]

10. "AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service"

AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service

Mail Message
At Sun Jun 23, 2013, 10:41 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Obama is a F*****G FRAUD | Daily Kos
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023080227

REASON FOR ALERT:

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate. (See <a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=aboutus#communitystandards" target="_blank">Community Standards</a>.)

ALERTER'S COMMENTS:

Obama bashing

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sun Jun 23, 2013, 10:50 PM, and the Jury voted 1-5 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT and said: Um, lemme check. Yup, this is still Democratic Underground. Go away.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: I voted to leave it alone because idiots. They come here and post, and I get some amusement from it. This is an example.
-flvegan
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: There is nothing in the ToS stating that extreme criticism of Obama is a violation excepting during election season. So, suck it up. I do not necessarily agree with the OP. But I will not use the jury system as some sort of censor against those I do not see eye to eye.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[Tx4obama]

12. Jury should have been informed that the author/troll of the 'article' was banned over at DailyKos

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[Gravitycollapse]

13. Why would that matter?

[Tx4obama]

24. Because if even DailyKos thought the article author was a troll then no one here should be...

... supporting the crappy article.

[Bobbie Jo]

88. Because "trolls" are lying disrupters.

Does THAT matter?

Unbelievable.

[HiPointDem]

41. i don't see anything about his banning on his profile page.

http://www.dailykos.com/user/liquidstoke

[hfojvt]

46. he hasn't posted for four days

next to Mojo there's a skull symbol and when I put my browser arrow over it, it says "banned".

Been there since 2008.

[HiPointDem]

47. what is mojo?

[Recursion]

54. Site karma. The DU equivalent is a combination of posting privileges and jury selection % (nt)

[treestar]

97. I agree

This jury system is something that allows them to take over. These past few days they have worked hard at it and they may be able to take over the site.

[jberryhill]

128. It's looking that way

[still_one]

134. No, I say let the nader light expose him or herself for what they are, a fool that believes in all

or nothing

[Number23]

171. I was just about to say it looks like they put the diarist's ass on a platter and handed it back to

him. He was absolutely SAVAGED by the other Kos folks.

Meanwhile, here at DU... 56 recs and counting.

[rhett o rick]

194. The jury is to evaluate the post as it stands, not on what you think about the character

of the poster. A good Democrat would welcome different ideas and opinions and not look to censor.

[Tx4obama]

195. NOT the DU poster. The AUTHOR of the article. The AUTHOR of the article was...

... banned over at DailyKos where the article was originally posted.

[TakeALeftTurn]

72. Thanks for letting me know

Much appreciated.

[ucrdem]

172. Thank you for your service.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=281180&sub=trans

[undergroundpanther]

15. people have a right to thier anger

loyalty to democratic ideals is more important than a loyalty to a person a figurehead,obama.

You are a liberal if you are for liberal morality.

That's MUCH bigger than obama or the democratic party.

Definition of liberal
lib·er·al (lbr-l, lbrl)
adj.
1.
a. Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry.
b. Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded.
c. Of, relating to, or characteristic of liberalism.
d. Liberal Of, designating, or characteristic of a political party founded on or associated with principles of social and political liberalism, especially in Great Britain, Canada, and the United States.
2.
a. Tending to give freely; generous: a liberal benefactor.
b. Generous in amount; ample: a liberal serving of potatoes.
3. Not strict or literal; loose or approximate: a liberal translation.
4. Of, relating to, or based on the traditional arts and sciences of a college or university curriculum: a liberal education.
5.
a. Archaic Permissible or appropriate for a person of free birth; befitting a lady or gentleman.
b. Obsolete Morally unrestrained; licentious.
n.
1. A person with liberal ideas or opinions.
2. Liberal A member of a Liberal political party.
[Middle English, generous, from Old French, from Latin lberlis, from lber, free; see leudh- in Indo-European roots.]
liber·al·ly adv.
liber·al·ness n.
Synonyms: liberal, bounteous, bountiful, freehanded, generous, handsome, munificent, openhanded
These adjectives mean willing or marked by a willingness to give unstintingly: a liberal backer of the arts; a bounteous feast; bountiful compliments; a freehanded host; a generous donation; a handsome offer; a munificent gift; fond and openhanded grandparents. See Also Synonyms at broad-minded.
Antonym: stingy



This way of being is what democratic underground should be about.
This isn't obama underground.is it?

[Eddie Haskell]

158. He's not alone and the anger is real.

http://www.blackagendareport.com/content/barack-obamas-2nd-term-it-bill-clintons-3rd-or-it-ronald-reagans-9th

In the game of advancing the interests of the American people, it seems, Democrats and Republicans are not mutual opponents. They are a tag team, each one pushing the ball further and further down the field in the wrong direction.

[Summer Hathaway]

16. And your reason for posting this BS here would be ...

... exactly what?

[TakeALeftTurn]

30. To try and restore democracy to America

Instead of it being controlled by billionaires and large Corporations.

[Summer Hathaway]

33. And you plan to accomplish that

by posting shit-stirring BS on a message board?

Seems like a rather unimpressive strategy.

[TakeALeftTurn]

40. Well toeing the line of the large Corporations and Corporate media sure isn't going to do it.

What do you suggest?

[Summer Hathaway]

42. Well, posting on a message board

is a noble mission, and you seem to think it's working for you.

So why not just stick with it?

[Romulus Quirinus]

192. You do realize that the same applies to any of us? Even you? nt

[SidDithers]

90. Nailed it...nt

Sid

[Amonester]

32. To get a repuke majority in the Senate in 15 months so they can impeach...

President Obama, and destroy all the good things he did.

[Hekate]

17. Wow. What troll-droppings are these I see before me?

And the Jury let it stand.

And you, the OP, disingenuously say that you are only repeating what was posted elsewhere.

Again I say: What troll-droppings. What the hell is wrong with people?

[TakeALeftTurn]

20. I notice you are not trying to argue against the contents of the Daily Kos article

You are trying to shoot the meesenger.

[Hekate]

22. No, when I see troll-shit I don't bother either discussing or shooting.

[TakeALeftTurn]

23. Maybe you should take a look at Professor Lawrence Lessig's "Chesters"

Unless you think he is some kind of CT'er.

How "democracy" works in America.

http://www.ted.com/talks/lawrence_lessig_we_the_people_and_the_republic_we_must_reclaim.html

[pnwmom]

19. Another garbage post. n/t

[Hekate]

26. DU is a F*****G FRAUD

Claims to be a Democratic site. Currently given over to mob rule.

But hey folks, don't diss me for borrowing an essay title from Daily Kos.

[pnwmom]

28. I could hardly believe that was you!

My first reaction was to laugh . . . but the situation is so sad.

[Hekate]

29. Insane times call for insane acts, or something like that

[madrchsod]

159. +1

[Number23]

173. Post it again WITHOUT THE STARS!! C'mon! Do it! Don't censor yourself

[Hekate]

174. Oh you bad bad girl

[Number23]

176. !

[Hekate]

179. Backatcha

Long time, no see.

[blogslut]

31. I really don't understand the appeal of that KOS post

The title is inflammatory but not very brave. If one is going to use a curse word, one should spell it out.

The content is hardly original: Politicians lie. Corporations are greedy. The government conceals things and spies on its citizens. The media and the-powers-that-be deflect, divide and conquer us with wedge issues, celebrity scandals and shiny objects. There are no heroes.

Why is this the second time it's been posted here?

[mick063]

38. Why is this the second time it's been posted here?

Because there is a groundswell of anger building up.

For those that don't understand why, you are in for a rude awakening.

A tsunami is headed your way. Head for high ground.

[blogslut]

43. Oh dear

You think I'm some child.

I didn't say I didn't understand the problems we face as a nation, a people, a world.

I said I didn't understand the particular appeal of that teenage KOS post. It's not well-written. It's not inspiring. It's not original.

You want an amazing call to arms? An eye-opening bit of stirring prose? Try this - It was written 50 years ago, based on the words of a man who inspired a whole country to revolution. It's as relevant then (or then) as it is now:

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“Don’t be deceived when they tell you things are better now. Even if there’s no poverty to be seen because the poverty’s been hidden. Even if you ever got more wages and could afford to buy more of these new and useless goods which industries foist on you and even if it seems to you that you never had so much, that is only the slogan of those who still have much more than you. Don’t be taken in when they paternally pat you on the shoulder and say that there’s no inequality worth speaking of and no more reason to fight because if you believe them they will be completely in charge in their marble homes and granite banks from which they rob the people of the world under the pretence of bringing them culture. Watch out, for as soon as it pleases them they’ll send you out to protect their gold in wars whose weapons, rapidly developed by servile scientists, will become more and more deadly until they can with a flick of the finger tear a million of you to pieces.” -Peter Weiss

Just remember. Marat died. Robespierre died. They all fucking died and fifteen years later France got Napoleon.

[Recursion]

52. I love that play

Though I think Sade had some good points too.

[blogslut]

57. He watched everybody get their heads chopped off from his cell

I think Mr. Weiss was trying to make the point that it's damned time we humans tried to find a different way. Thousands of years of this cyclical shit and the core human behaviors havwn't changed one whit.

[Recursion]

58. But he hated the anonymity of it more than the brutality

As Marat said to him, "you play the revolutionary but I see in your heart the ancien regime and bearing of an aristocrat." (Or something close to that.)

Myself, I think changes to systems have a way of causing more harm than the harm they are trying to fix, often, so I get nervous when I see stuff like your interlocutor posted.

[blogslut]

61. For me, I think it's not the change that is the harm...

It's that no matter how wonderful, how progressive, how successful the movement, after a point, the hierarchy develops. With hierarchy comes the need to maintain power, which leads to corruption, which leads to oppression, which leads to decay, which leads to anger and there we go again with another bloody revolution.

Meet the new boss. Same as it ever was. We think we're so clever and classless and free.

[LittleBlue]

44. Agreed

If not now, then the seeds are being planted in young people. They've watched 12 years of unending wars, corporate profits soaring, and their prospects diminish.

I hope whatever happens is positive and not disastrous.

[Floyd_Gondolli]

139. Isn't that Cat Woman's line from Dark Knight Rises?

Jesus, even your ilk's bullshit isn't original.

[backscatter712]

82. On Kos, it's against the rules to cuss in a diary title.

The reason is so the site doesn't get flagged by web-filters and people don't get blocked from reading the site at work.

[mercymechap]

34. After reading some of the

comments made by supposed Democrats/Liberal/Progressives against Obama, in other threads, I'm not surprised to see this crap being posted here.

[Whisp]

36. I gave you 2100 last summer. You said

I would have it back twice by last fall.

and ya didn't.

[intaglio]

45. Another outrage junkie. How boring.

Why not look at all the President has done and compare him to his predecessors. Why this nonsensical hyperbole about how there is no difference - when there is.

If the system needs to be changed then work to change it, but you will need to work with people less outraged than yourself.

[GoCubsGo]

94. No. Just a shit-stirrer.

If this person was really outraged, they would have said so in their own words, rather than cutting and pasting garbage from the Daily Kos. This is nothing but another attempt to get the "Obama can do no right" crowd to lock horns with the "Obama can do no wrong" crowd. It's disgusting, and I can't believe this thread hasn't been locked.

[DeSwiss]

48. K&R

[99th_Monkey]

49. I was the one who posted this earlier and had it voted down 5-1.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023077158

[MFM008]

51. all politicians are corporatist

Sigh, we are not the ones we were waiting for....

[TakeALeftTurn]

75. Agreed - all but a handful in Congress are Corporatists

I detailed why yesterday with all the evidence to support the statement.

But that thread got hidden (after getting 58 up votes in a couple of hours).

[Fearless]

53. When George Carlin said the same thing

I bet everyone here agreed with him. Funny thing isn't it.

Edit to add: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=_NcuhEcrM4w#t=101s

[Recursion]

59. I always found Carlin tiresome when he got on that rant, personally

Keeping your irony and purity is too often an excuse to avoid actually doing things.

[Fearless]

62. Well judging by the 4 million views of that video

On youtube and the 30k+ thumbs up to 500 thumbs down, plus the number of times the video has been posted on DU, I'll assume that very few people agree with your assessment.

[Recursion]

63. I'm glad I don't judge ideas by popularity (nt)

[Fearless]

66. The original statement was a judgement of popularity

How else could you judge it?

[Eddie Haskell]

161. Then you'll get what you deserve come 2014.

If you wish to ignore the anger, go ahead; but trying to silence those who wish to confront a growing problem is undemocratic ground.

[burnodo]

167. you mean like...voting?

[Logical]

141. LOL, of course you did! n-t

[Fire Walk With Me]

73. Extremely good point :D

[Fire Walk With Me]

65. "I've got one that can SEE!"

Now remember, this has all changed and everyone now has enough money and it's not all going to banksters and wall street:

For more regarding the source of income inequality:

http://occupyobservations.blogspot.com/2013/02/the-leaked-2006-citigroup-plutonomy-memo.html

[CakeGrrl]

70. The mouth foaming continues.

IBTL

[lamp_shade]

74. Oh... it's YOU!

[ReRe]

76. Lawrence Lessig was also on Bill Moyers...

K&R

... weekend before last (weekend of June 14-16, 2013), for the full hour.

http://www.BillMoyers.com
or http://www.pbs.org

I highly recommend everyone on this thread listen to Mr Lessig.

I haven't seen L.L. on "Ted Talks" yet, so thanks very much for the links TALT

[snagglepuss]

151. I just watched the video. It's brilliant.

[ReRe]

164. Thank you.

I hope others will check it out too. Sometimes these little jewels of information slip through our fingers, especially when there are other stories swallowing up our attention. Keep your eye on the ball.

[SamKnause]

77. Fraud

The entire U.S. government is a big f..king fraud.

All branches have been infested with corrupt and power hungry psychopaths.

They are paid handsomely to do the bidding of global corporations.

Corporations are in full control of the U.S. government.

They write the law of the land.

They paid to have their laws enacted.

They do not represent the needs of 'we the people'.

Their only concern is to protect the corporations at all costs.

It is time to rename this country.

The United States of America is dead.

Long live the United States of Global Corporations.

[marions ghost]

91. Yes --if we don't want to single out Obama

Last edited Mon Jun 24, 2013, 09:12 AM - Edit history (1)

we only have to look at the rest of it.

"All branches have been infested with corrupt power hungry psychopaths."

Correct diagnosis.

Obama is not going to be able to save us, for whatever reason. And in the end it doesn't matter whether we want to see him as having failed us or not. The point is, he is not our savior.

We can only save ourselves.

[SamKnause]

123. Fraud 2

Thanks for your input.

I am not singling out President Obama, however, I consider him to be part of the problem, not part of any solutions.

He is doing the bidding of corporations, just like those before him and most likely like those who will follow him.

[marions ghost]

126. Am in agreement with you

Changed "you" to "we" for clarity --I didn't mean you personally in the previous post.

I agree that Obama's part of the problem, and he's not going to save us. Neither is Congress. I don't play a blame game here--the majority of the government is complicit in this massive cover-up.

We have to save ourselves. And look for representatives who are actively & unequivocally on our side. This is a deal-breaker for me. Any candidate who hems & haws on this surveillance question--

[Bonobo]

79. Kicking without comment. nt

[chervilant]

84. The corporate megalomaniacs

who've usurped our media, our politics, AND our global economy are laughing all the way to THEIR banks.

[Octafish]

85. Lots of comments on how crummy the post is, near nothing on what the post says.

What in the post is NOT true?

[Puzzledtraveller]

99. The one thing people hate above all else

is admitting that they were or could ever be wrong.

[geek tragedy]

107. Besides stating that elections don't matter and that civil rights issues are a conspiracy

drawn up to distract people?

The post is raw hatred of the President to the point where it rejects as relevant all the issues where the President is right. It is also cartoonishly simplistic in effectively stating that Rick Perry would be no different than Barack Obama in terms of the effect on us.

[Puzzledtraveller]

95. sadly, most will gladly keep the wool over their eyes

they cannot be bothered.

[SidDithers]

101. ...

Sid

[geek tragedy]

109. Sadly, hatred of Obama and advocating against voting for Democrats is no longer

a violation of community standards. Presumably it's also de facto no longer a TOS violation.

[SidDithers]

111. Might as well throw out the TOS and openly allow Republicans to post here...

then they wouldn't have to pretend to be liberals anymore.

Sid

[KittyWampus]

143. Ratfucking is more effective in undermining the Left. Question- why is the left so prone to Ratfucki

Why is the left so prone to ratfucking?

[Bobbie Jo]

160. At least Kos still has standards

Last edited Mon Jun 24, 2013, 10:01 PM - Edit history (1)

They banned the shit stirring troll.

[Logical]

142. Alert it or quit whining! n-t

[Nimajneb Nilknarf]

103. It seems you were expecting a better return on your $5,500 investment.

Only bank deposits are insured against loss of principle.

[BenzoDia]

104. I didn't support Obama in '08, but support him now. I'll pick up the slack for ya.

[siligut]

108. The most telling line "There's no Republican or Democrats folks"

An attempt to create apathy. I may be disappointed with some things lately, but I will never believe that there is no difference between Democrats and Republicans.

[geek tragedy]

110. Welcome to lettherepublicanswin.com nt

[siligut]

112. We just have to call it when we see it and help people maintain perspective

Letting Republicans win now would be worse than ever.

[geek tragedy]

113. Well, sure, just tell it like it is.

Honestly, this site has always been a festering pile of anti-Democrat hate during non-election years.

[siligut]

119. Our big tent and Will Rogers explain some of that

I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Democrat. Will Rogers.

But some of what I am reading now seems deliberate and directed. "There is no difference between Democrats and Republicans" is an old, tried and true method of manipulation. And a huge lie.

[geek tragedy]

120. They aren't Democrats. nt

[forestpath]

114. K&R He sure is.

[The Link]

115. I don't think he is a fraud. He is a centrist Democrat that leans right...

on matters of defense.

[Progressive dog]

121. CT stupidity strikes again, this time on Daily Kos

Response from non-insanity based community found:
"Step 1: Someone writes a highly misleading diary with a selective use of facts. Step 2: Someone else writes a highly misleading diary to counter the first diary with a selective use of facts. Step 3: Someone says Obama is worse than Hitler. Repeat."
Quoted from NoFortunateSon on DailyKos

[Botany]

122. Troll much?

http://whatthefuckhasobamadonesofar.com/

[MrSlayer]

124. ALL of it is a giant fraud, not just the current puppet.

The game was lost when the middle class elected their executioner in 1980 by landslide margins. Everything since has just been a continuation of his destructive policies. There was a real opportunity in 2009 to change course but we didn't. Because those that were ostensibly on "our" side didn't want to.

Ugly truth is still truth.

[99Forever]

125. K&R

[ProSense]

127. This thread

was locked yesterday and you reposted it?

"OBAMA IS A FUCKING FRAUD-- you heard me NSA scumbag?"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023077158

[warrior1]

129. I got a message this is was being locked

still not locked.

[still_one]

135. This thread should be locked. It is pure flamebait, and is saying that there is no difference

between the two parties, which is typical green party bull.

[madrchsod]

162. sure hope so

[ProSense]

130. This is a troll diary from Daily Kos. Here is the author's other post

Me a troll? Haha....(1+ / 0-)

I put down good money, and likely more than most on this site, for this guy.

I need to admit that the R's had something right from 2007 about Obama:

Great speech-maker, but no ability to get much done.

He should have been a Baptist preacher or a civil rights activist. He would have done well. President? Not so much.

He's earned his legacy; first bi-racial President. Great moment in history.

Now move the fuck on and let Hillary get shit done.

by liquidstoke on Thu Jun 20, 2013 at 11:53:14 AM PDT

http://www.dailykos.com/comments/1216665/50493377#c38

The diary was troll-rated, but here it's high-five time.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3057872

[still_one]

131. cry me a fucking river. You like don't his policies, then find someone's policies you do like. But

I will tell you, a lot of people who don't have healthcare will appreciate the ACA, even if it isn't the most ideal at the time. The same bullshit was leveled at Medicare when it came out.

You don't think there is a difference between the republicans and Democrats, then some people should pull their head out of their asses. If you think that the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act would have passed under a republican, then you are in another universe. If you think any ACA would have passed under a republican, you are in a different universe.

You minimize the gay rights, women's rights, and other issues, shame on you. Those are significant changes, and there is a lot more that has been done, but since you are on a rant, you don't see, so go to the green party where they believe as you stated there is no difference between the Democrats and the republicans. See how that works for you

[Enthusiast]

140. But I like Britney Spears' couchie peeks!

[Progressive dog]

144. Lessig talks about big money in politics,

the f****ing idiot at d'kos is angry that he didn't have enough money to buy Obama.
Since the conspiracy theories sound so good to him, he could open an e-bay store selling stuff like special tin foil. If he made enough money (there seems to be a huge customer base, even on DU) he might actually make enough to buy the government he wants.

[snagglepuss]

150. That is a phenomenal TED talk. It ought to have it own thread.

Thanks for posting.

[madrchsod]

156. jesus h christ no wonder a lot of good posters left this place

this is one of the more disgusting posts i have read in the last several years. i have some fundamental problems with obama`s actions but i still think he`s the best we have had in a long time.

maybe we should quite bitch`n and start getting ready to elect democrats to the house and keep control of the senate. the republican in house is shambles and it ours for the taking. or is it easier to sit on our asses and bitch about shit on internet.

[still_one]

163. I agree.

[ismnotwasm]

166. The OP has been escorted out of the building by Skinner

TakeALeftTurn
Revoked on Reason Revoked by
Jun 24, 2013 Conspiracy crap, obama hater, troll.
For more information see Terms of Service
Skinner
(Administrator)

[ucrdem]

168. This message was brought to us by Infowars and The Daily Paul Liberty Forum:

Another contribution that appeared here today also appeared at

Booz Allen Hamilton: What You Don’t Know About Snowden’s Former Employer

Tommy Paine
Infowars.com
June 24, 2013

http://www.infowars.com/booz-allen-hamilton-what-you-dont-know-about-snowdens-former-employer/

Booz Allen Hamilton: What You Don't Know About Snowden's Former Employer

Submitted by TommyPaine on Mon, 06/24/2013 - 01:49in
Daily Paul Liberty Forum
Daily Paul Original

Let's take another trip down the rabbit hole, shall we?

http://www.dailypaul.com/290258/booz-allen-hamilton-what-you-dont-know-about-snowdens-fomer-employer

Busy aren't they?

[Bobbie Jo]

169. .

[Number23]

175. One down. About a hun'erd to go...

[ucrdem]

177. Sing it with me

[Number23]

178. That's too funny!

But this OP must have been bad if Skinner decided to actually step in and do something. Now, I'm just wondering about those that rec'd it and are saying "HE SHORE IS!1" in response.

[ucrdem]

180. He took his last left turn

along with his animal friend:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=159320&sub=trans

Now they are in a better place.

[Bobbie Jo]

183. Right?

You Better Believe It!

All ur trolls belong to us.

[Scurrilous]

181. He should toss the entire rec list out with him.

[tridim]

193. Yep, the rec list is a who's who of DU disruptors.

They're all there. Unbelievable.

Skinner's reason for the OP's tombstone should be an official rule, it will weed out 99% of the posters who are methodically destroying DU.

[NCLefty]

182. What it is...

is one person's opinion. Just one.

[ucrdem]

165. Author has left the building:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=281180&sub=trans

[Hekate]

187. Clean-up on Aisle 6 has commenced

I am grateful for small mercies.

[ucrdem]

188. Looks like it just went off the greatest page

so OP's 15 minutes of shame are over, quelle domage.

[Hekate]

189. Quelle fromage, as well

[ucrdem]

191. and his "Chesters"