Booz Allen Hamilton: What You Don't Know About Snowden's Former Employer #NSA

[TakeALeftTurn]

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by UnderReviewFor3Years (a host of the General Discussion forum).

Lost in the Edward Snowden debate is a critical look at his former employer, the company doing the spying on Americans in the first place: Booz Allen Hamilton.

Booz Allen Hamilton is a government contractor, with 99% of its revenue coming from the US government. Not only does it receive money from the NSA, but also the US Army, US Navy, US Air Force, US Marine Corps, Department of Defense, Department of Homeland Security, the FBI and ... the IRS. In addition, Booz Allen is heavily connected to the CIA.

Among the individuals involved in running the company, we have:

James Clapper - current Director of National Intelligence (DNI), head of NSA, the man who lied to Congress about the fact that NSA is actively spying on Americans, is a former executive

Mike McConnell - a current executive of the company, had Clapper's job (DNI) during George W. Bush's administration (keep it in the family, eh?) -- he worked for Booz Allen before Bush, then worked for Bush, then back to Booz Allen after Bush

James Woolsey - former CIA Director, current executive (see Jan Helfeld's interview of Mr. Woolsey where it becomes clear that Woolsey has no interest in discussing principles, only war)

Melissa Hathaway - former executive, also worked for McConnell during the Bush administration

Ian Brzezinski - former executive, son of Zbigniew Brzezinski, co-founder of the Trilateral Commission with David Rockefeller

Dov Zakheim - this character is ... unbelievable:
1993 - His company, System Planning Corporation, had a subsidiary called Tridata Corporation, which was the company that "oversaw" the investigation of the 1993 WTC bombing
2000 - Part of the neocon Project for a New American Century, he is co-author of "Rebuilding America's Defenses," in which he is credited with the infamous line, "... some catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a new Pearl Harbor."
2001 - He is appointed Comptroller of the Pentagon, in which $2.3 trillion promptly goes "missing"
2001 - Attack on 9/11 occurs; some people are suspicious of his connections, since his company, SPC, in involved in flight systems capable of remote controlling aircraft, and because he was the guy who leased 32 Boeing 767 aircraft to McDill Air Force Base (2 of the 9/11 aircraft were 767's), and McDill is close to Elgin AFB, which was the location that was to be used if Operation Northwoods had gone live
2004 - Goes to work for Booz Allen Hamilton.
2012 - Advisor on Middle East policy for Mitt Romney campaign (gee ... ya think Romney would have gone to war in the Middle East???)

Booz Allen Hamilton is owned by the Carlyle Group.
One of the big investors in the Carlyle Group was the Bin Laden family in Saudi Arabia. Yeah ... THAT Bin Laden family. And instrumental in being the "go between" for Carlyle/Bin Laden was a guy by the name of George H. W. Bush. Maybe you've heard of him?

The CEO of the Carlyle Group (remember, they OWN Booz Allen Hamilton) is Frank Carlucci. Mr. Carlucci has quite a resume:
Nixon Administration - Director of the Office for Economic Opportunity (the "War on Poverty" -- and a great place to decide who gets government contracts)
Carter Administration - Deputy Director of the CIA
Reagan Administration - National Security Advisor and Secretary of Defense (Donald Rumsfeld is Carlucci's protoge)
He is or has been with the Project for a New American Century and a member of the Board of Trustees for the RAND Corporation, a CIA front that develops policies that the Military Industrial Complex then carries out.

At RAND, his specialty was Middle East policy. What do you know? That was also the specialty of Graham Fuller, CIA guy who was the father-in-law of Ruslan Tsarni, uncle of Tamarlan Tsarnev, suspected Boston bomber.
Speaking of the Boston bombing and Tamarlan Tsarnev, he had a couple of trips to Russia that made the news. But what did not make the news (in America, but it did in Russia) is that he went there for "training" that was funded by the Jamestown Foundation. And what do you know? The Jamestown Foundation (CIA front) has among its past board members none other than Dick Cheney and Marcia Carlucci, wife of Frank Carlucci.

Given all their connections and government contracts, here's an interesting question: Booz Allen Hamilton has not only been involved in spying via the NSA, but they have also received no-bid contracts from the IRS. What do they know about the American people via the IRS?
Now, one of the things you will start to see if you look around at some of the big corporations these days is that many of them are involved in what they call "corporate citizenship" or something similar. What this means at the surface level is they are being "good citizens" by donating to charity. But when you go beyond the surface, you will see something else going on.
Booz Allen Hamilton donates money to the Clinton Global Initiative. The CGI is a part of the Clinton Foundation (yeah, THAT Clinton).

The Clinton Foundation has been implicated in bribery on an international level. Clinton gave himself a special little privilege while president wherein he exempted the William Jefferson Clinton Foundation from the normal rules of disclosure regarding publicly listing who its contributors were. It's a secret foundation. And it has over $200 million in assets now. And is alleged to be used as a way to funnel black money from corrupt governments around the world for behind-the-scenes deals like special oil contracts, arms dealing, US government foreign aid deals, whatever.

So folks, what you are not being told in the media about Edward Snowden's former company is that it is not only spying on you, but it is probably checking out your tax returns, too, and also receiving some of your tax money in government contracts, which it then funnels to CIA-connected/Military Industrial Complex-connected/NWO-connected individuals and organizations.
Something like this: Your tax money (taken from you by force) -> IRS -> Booz Allen Hamilton -> Clinton Foundation -> foreign bribes -> more contracts for the Military Industrial Complex -> more spending by foreign governments -> more foreign aid from the US government -> more US government spending -> more taxes needed -> more taxes from YOU.

Oh ... and they are spying on you, too.

But Edward Snowden ... yeah HE is the bad guy here. Uh huh ... move along ... nothing to see here.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Booz_Allen_Hamilton
http://www.boozallen.com/
http://www.pehub.com/2010/06/21/booz-allen-ipo-lots-of-revenue-and-lots-of-debt/
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3029352/posts
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Brzezinski
http://www.muckety.com/Booz-Allen-Hamilton/5000259.muckety
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=2875
http://www.whale.to/b/zakheim_h.html
http://alexansary.tv/2012/11/romneys-top-adviser-dov-zakheim-connected-to-911/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlyle_Group
http://www.wanttoknow.info/010927wallstreetjournal
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Carlucci
http://www.rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/Jamestown_Foundation
http://www.law360.com/articles/446161/irs-wrongly-refused-to-stay-booz-allen-contract-tax-co
http://www.boozallen.com/insights/ideas/clinton-global-initiative
http://www.clintonglobalinitiative.org/aboutus/
http://www.clintonfoundation.org/
http://www.theleftcoaster.com/archives/011559.php
http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2012/05/its-not-about-reelection-bill-clintons-80-million-payday.html

[snagglepuss]

1. Jaw-dropping post. Over the years I've seen Dov Zakheim's name mentioned

numerous times here. Absolutely creepy how his name is associated with so many nefarious goings on.

Thanks for the post. A warm welcome to DU.

[TakeALeftTurn]

3. Yep Dov Zakheim was one of Romney's senior "Foreign Policy Advisors"

The other was Dan Senor - another ex Bushie and acolyte of William Kristol.

Both of them are out and out Neocons.

Mitt Romney and his neocon advisers and backers are America's greatest threat to America's own National Security.

Romney's Foreign Policy : Growing money on trees
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/louis-klarevas/romneys-unrealistic-forei_b_1952948.html?utm_hp_ref=tw

Romney's lead FP adviser is Dan Senor - rabid warmongering spokesman for GW Bush and acolyte of William Kristol.
http://thinkprogress.org/security/2012/08/02/627031/dan-senor-romney-closest-adviser/

Ex-Colin Powell aide speaks out against Romney's neocon backers.
http://leanforward.msnbc.com/_news/2012/10/08/14302340-ex-powell-aide-on-romneys-foreign-policy-team-these-people-make-me-sick

Another of Romney's FP advisers - Dov Zakheim.
With advisers like this who needs enemies?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dov_S._Zakheim

70% of Romney's FP advisers are ex GW Bush staffers.
If that doesn't scare you - it should.

It scares Colin Powell - he has refused to endorse Romney and has endorsed Obama instead.
Colin Powell was used as a patsy to try and sell the Iraq invasion to the UN and now realises it.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/25/colin-powell-endorses-obama_n_2011162.html

Romney's recent FP speech - straight out of the neocon playbook to massively increase military spending (circa $2tn more over 4 years) and start more wars of aggression.
"It is the responsibility of our president to use America's great power to shape history" Mitt Romney

The result of which will be a dramatic weakening of America's relative strategic power and ultimately bankruptcy and economic carnage like Greece and Spain are now going through.

No one could argue that the US is relatively stronger now, strategically, financially or economically, than it was when GW Bush was inaugurated in January 2001.

[NoMoreWarNow]

102. he seems very creepy

also a dual US-Israeli citizen.

Doesn't seem right that someone so high up should have such divided loyalties.

[think]

2. Outanding post

Thank you

[liberal_at_heart]

4. Fantastic post. Thank you.

You've really done your homework and it shows. I don't know how people can defend this organization.

[TakeALeftTurn]

10. I've been working on it for a few days since it came out how Booze were involved

I have had half of it for quite a while.

[KittyWampus]

17. And you couldn't come up with a better link to the Guardian's article than FREEREPUBLIC?

[chimpymustgo]

38. That's all you got? Get a brain.

[maddezmom]

28. So are you the author?

[bunnies]

39. So youre Tommy Paine from the Daily Paul?

Since he is the author, I guess youre saying youre him. Nice.

Edit: Sorry. I spelled your name wrong.

[TakeALeftTurn]

45. Nope

I am not Tommy Pain.

You will have to find some other way to deflect.

I notice you cannot find anything in the message that isn't true.

[bunnies]

49. "I've been working on it for a few days since it came out how Booze were involved"

You claim to have been working on an article that now you claim you didnt write. So which one is the lie?

[TakeALeftTurn]

75. I have been researching Booze Allen for a few months off and on

When the info came out that Snowden was the whistle blower and he worked for Booze I spent some more time on it.

I did share with a couple of other people recently, what I had found out so far.
Word gets around.
I didn't make it a secret.
It's all publicly available info on the net.

I knew a lot of the inter connections between Booze and the government for quite a while.

[bunnies]

77. So, Tommy Paine stole your article & posted it verbatim?

Is that what youre telling me?

[TakeALeftTurn]

79. Nope

Tommy Paine must of got hold of most of the info from someone else then added a couple more bits and improved the narrative.

[bunnies]

81. cool story, bro.

[TakeALeftTurn]

88. So you've never talked about a political story with other people?

.

[bunnies]

97. You should just quit while youre ahead.

You didnt have a chat with someone about a story that they turned around and published verbatim. Its makes no sense and you know it. Stop playing dumb.

[TakeALeftTurn]

93. You are still trying to deflect from the issue at hand - the interconnections between Booze

the government, the Carlyle Group, ex Bushies, the Bin Laden family etc.

[bunnies]

98. No. Im scrutinizing the source.

A practice that used to be very common around here.

[TakeALeftTurn]

94. Maybe you should check out James Woolsey some more

.

[TakeALeftTurn]

96. Maybe you should check out the Jamestown Foundation and Graham Fuller some more

.

[snagglepuss]

110. Those taking issue with your post can't present any facts to counter the facts detailed in the OP.

I'm waiting to hear them state among other things that Caryle or the BinLaden family isn't involved. BTW The ignore function on DU is wonderful.

[HiPointDem]

130. unfortunately, since the poster took it verbatim from an alex jones site & since free republic,

whale, and other reputed anti-semitic sites were footnoted, the information can be dismissed as conspiracy-mongering and worse.

nice job, trolls. but working for which side?

[HiPointDem]

123. so you're 'tommy paine'? really disingenuous of you.

http://www.infowars.com/booz-allen-hamilton-what-you-dont-know-about-snowdens-former-employer/

[ucrdem]

126. Infowars and the "Daily Paul Liberty Forum":

All three posts dated today:

Booz Allen Hamilton: What You Don’t Know About Snowden’s Former Employer

Tommy Paine
Infowars.com
June 24, 2013

http://www.infowars.com/booz-allen-hamilton-what-you-dont-know-about-snowdens-former-employer/

Booz Allen Hamilton: What You Don't Know About Snowden's Former Employer

Submitted by TommyPaine on Mon, 06/24/2013 - 01:49in
Daily Paul Liberty Forum
Daily Paul Original

Let's take another trip down the rabbit hole, shall we?

http://www.dailypaul.com/290258/booz-allen-hamilton-what-you-dont-know-about-snowdens-fomer-employer

Busy beaver. I guess we should be honored but I'm just not feeling it.

[Whisp]

5. Dov Zakheim

o my, I haven't thought of that asshole for a long long time.

[KittyWampus]

6. Good to see you went all Alex Jones on Bill Clinton

[TakeALeftTurn]

7. I report documented facts

I can't help it if you don't like some of them.

[KittyWampus]

14. It's called guilt by association. Or smearing.

[snooper2]

25. what happens when you make three left turns?

[KittyWampus]

27. make no left turns un-stoned. This thread is my new "chew-toy"

[99th_Monkey]

101. Nice one! nt

[HiPointDem]

9. where's the alex jones link, please? if it ain't there, why mention jones unless to smear the

poster?

you don't like the information, rebut it.

[KittyWampus]

12. It's called guilt by association. Or smearing a Democrat.

[HiPointDem]

19. what you're doing too. with less evidence. if the claim about clinton is false, rebut it.

that's more convincing.

[TakeALeftTurn]

15. I included all the links where I got the info from

There isn't any Alex Jones stuff in it (or any other conspiracy type site either).
I don't go near sites like that.

They are all credible sources - like wikipedia.

[KittyWampus]

16. Good to see you use FreeRepublic as a source.

[snagglepuss]

18. Shooting the messenger. How lame is that. The freeper was simply quoting a Guardian article.

[KittyWampus]

20. When I quote a Guardian article, I link to the Guardian. Not FreeRepublic.

[snooper2]

26. LOL god this place has changed...

Maybe he/she was just lazy and went to their bookmarks

[maddezmom]

40. You think whale.to is a credible source?

Not to mention some of the other conspiracy sites you cited. Some of them are anti-Semitic along with just down right loonie.

[snagglepuss]

105. What information is wrong? Are the people listed not employed by Booz?

Are biographical details of the people listed incorrect?

[maddezmom]

108. I was speaking to his comment they were credible sources

15. I included all the links where I got the info from

There isn't any Alex Jones stuff in it (or any other conspiracy type site either).
I don't go near sites like that.

They are all credible sources - like wikipedia.

---------------------

If the information is credible I am sure they are better sources to link to then whale.to, etc. have you look at it or the truthseeker site? If you have and have no problem with them fine. As for me, not going to waste my time or crap that comes from a RW Libertarian and Ron Paul fan.

And you know what else is not credible, the OP....he claims to have written it but then says he didn't after others showed links to other places. So did he not write or did he take someone else's work as his own including all the same stinky links?

[snagglepuss]

113. Nothing I read on line is taken as the word of god. What's good about DU if that if

a post has its facts wrong someone will be along soon enough to set the record straight. So far I haven't seen anyone say that anything in the OP is factually incorrect. All I see are attacks on the messenger.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

32. It's on Alex Jones' website, quoted here verbatim.

http://www.infowars.com/booz-allen-hamilton-what-you-dont-know-about-snowdens-former-employer/

You can't get a closer association than that.

[maddezmom]

35. Of course the original is from Daily Paul

http://www.dailypaul.com/290258/booz-allen-hamilton-what-you-dont-know-about-snowdens-fomer-employer

[Lone_Star_Dem]

37. Oh, that's a much more reliable source for DU.

Strange days around here.

[HiPointDem]

124. no. pretty disingenuous of the poster, in that case.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

125. Skinner just banned them.

They were a troll here to push false info and derail our real conversations on this. That's not the reason he gave, it's my take on the poster.

Skinner just said, "Conspiracy crap, obama hater, troll."

Now, back to gathering valid info from valid sources people! And remember, vetting the source is important. There's work to be done, no time for lollygagging about.

[HiPointDem]

8. big kr.

[jsr]

11. Great post

[maddezmom]

21. Some pretty sketchy sites you site

Not to mention the original which you forgot to source.

http://www.dailypaul.com/290258/booz-allen-hamilton-what-you-dont-know-about-snowdens-fomer-employer

[HappyMe]

22. Same 'stuff' is posted here as well -

http://www.infowars.com/booz-allen-hamilton-what-you-dont-know-about-snowdens-former-employer/

[KittyWampus]

24. Nice find. It smelled like that kind of crap. Sad the OP takes credit for other's 'work'.

[TakeALeftTurn]

30. You seem just like Peter King & Lindsey Graham

Trying to shoot the messenger and trying your very best to try and ignore and deflect from the message.

It's normal strategy when someone cannot dispute the truth in the message.

[maddezmom]

33. So you are TommyPaine?

http://www.dailypaul.com/290258/booz-allen-hamilton-what-you-dont-know-about-snowdens-fomer-employer

Not trying to shootdown your message but some of your sources are questionable to me as well as the site I found it on.

Whale.to

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/

Are not sites I would expect to see on DU and especially not used as a source if you want to be taken seriously.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

36. The problem may be the message comes from a notorious conspiracy theorist.

Alex Jones and his minions are infamous here for their shoddy research and misinformation.

When your OP is quoting them verbatim, I don't know how you could expect anyone to take it seriously.

Did you write the original piece? I see up thread where you're implying you did.

[HappyMe]

53. lol!

You made the plaigerism the issue. Same stuff is found on a Paulbot site, infowars, Ann Coulter and Freeperland.

Sorry, I ain't buying what you are attempting to sell.

[HappyMe]

31. Well, I can't take credit for the research.

Maddezmom pointed this out.

[ismnotwasm]

48. Yup

Good work Maddezmom!

[Lone_Star_Dem]

57. She's always been wicked good at that sort of stuff.

She can smell RW BS a mile away!

[HappyMe]

59. This is RW bullshit of epic proportions.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

66. The OP has most definitely hung out their dirty laundry for all to see here.

It appears this turned out to be a stained pair of undies which would have been tossed in the rubbish ages ago. The only thing worse than a Paulite stain up the back of your skivvies, is when everyone else sees it. How embarrassing!

[HiPointDem]

127. the problem is that the information is largely correct. booz is, for example, part of the carlyle

group & the people listed are associated with booz, except that the dov character retired in 2010.

the problem is not that the poster was a paulite, the problem is that there's a legitimate criticism to be made & it's been left to the far right to make it.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

132. Fair enough.

But coming on here posting links to RW and hate sites is not the way to present a valid discussion on DU. Defending the use of said links - not you - does nothing but drive people away from believing what we need to be discussing.

There are many sources out there which are not anti-Semite or RW idiots. There's zero reason to stoop to those levels here. Ever. People attacking others here for attacking the source...well, in this case the source deserved to be attacked. We need to not become so tunnel visioned that we can't recognize that fact.

The Teabagger boards are filled with conversations about how this is their "golden ticket" to dividing us and repressing turnout in 2014. When I see someone here pretending to be something they're not, and giving credence to the voices of anti-semantic websites, and the likes of Alex Jones, I will call them on it. As I said, there are other sources. Sure, they may be more facts and less drama and spin. But, all I want are facts.

As for the poster, they were just here to stir the pot and keep us disagreeing. Which isn't getting any of us anywhere.

My personal take. YMMV, of course.

[HiPointDem]

134. i agree completely. why would someone use hate sites when the same information is available

in normal news/information sites?

either the poster is very stupid, or the poster is actually trying to *taint* the information.

[byeya]

23. Great post. It ties together a lot of facts that have been floating around here but not connected.

One of the basics of the privatization of spying, is that we, the taxpayers, are paying to have the Bill of Rights dismantled.
Not only are we less free, we have less money.
Good catch on the Bill Clinton sleaze - new to me.

[Waiting For Everyman]

29. If we know what's good for us, we'd better be outraged about the issues raised

instead of quibbling about the messenger(s).

Whenever I see 'shoot the messenger' being played, it says to me that somebody has no leg to stand on, and knows it.

[ismnotwasm]

34. Funny

You wrote this?

Because it looks a lot like this

http://www.dailypaul.com/290258/booz-allen-hamilton-what-you-dont-know-about-snowdens-fomer-employer

[bunnies]

41. Telling isnt it?

Either the OP is a liar or he's Tommy Paine. Either way...

[ismnotwasm]

44. Oh but there's more

This regarding another thread

http://newswithtags.com/Data%20collection/ian56-blogspot-the-nsa-mass-surveillance-scandal--the-story-so-far-their-real-purpose-is-political-blackmail-not-counter-terror#.Ucit2Mu9KK0


http://ian56.blogspot.com/2013/06/the-nsa-mass-surveillance-scandal-story.html

[bunnies]

50. omg.

WTF is going on around here?

[bobduca]

116. Organized lying

No consequences for it apparently, because you know.. the overriding agenda of the site is to support Dems, even (especiall?) the lying ones.

They clearly think their lies have safe harbor here.

[bunnies]

118. Wellthis site sure as hell isnt here to spread Rand Paul propaganda.

or Alex Jones crazy nutwingery. But hey, thats not stopping anyone is it?

[bobduca]

119. seems like we are on auto-pilot

I've been a supporter of pointing this stuff out, re: private intelligence contractors, but give me a break, now the centrist surveillance state backers are going to infowars and alex jones to try and "smear" Snowden by association to this admittedly shitty and most likely "evil to it's core" company.... Now they want to bring up the expediency of privatizing our intelligence industry but only to smear, not to discuss it in the larger context. Always..... to smear.

[greatauntoftriplets]

43. Hmmmmm.....

Last time I look, Ron Paul was a Republican/Libertarian whackjob.

[ismnotwasm]

47. That was general my take on him as well

In fact, my solid opinion on him


Not a good resource for info.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

51. And, the new face of DU?

Nah, we've not gone that far down the rabbithole...yet.

[greatauntoftriplets]

54. You can rest assured that I will never start spouting Ron Paul crap!

In fact, fuck Ron Paul!!!

Re-posted because for a moment, I thought that I had posted in the thread we're discussing.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

55. Indeed! To quote our very own EarlG, "Fuck Ron Paul!"

That one is a classic banning message. I can never get enough of it!

[greatauntoftriplets]

58. Me either. Rand Paul, too!

[ismnotwasm]

61. Yup

Both of them

What sewage.

But I have to say especially;


Fuck Ron Paul

[glinda]

42. K & R n/t

[pinto]

46. Last time I look, Ron Paul was a Republican/Libertarian whackjob

tip o' the hat to greatauntoftriplets

[cantbeserious]

56. K & R - Thank You

eom

[JI7]

60. freerepublic ?

[99th_Monkey]

63. Eeek Freepers! Ron Paul Lovers!!! Racists!! Traitors!!! Off with their heads!!

These kinds of responses to the leakages are very unbecoming, especially for
anyone claiming to be interested in having an actual discussion.

[bunnies]

69. You want to have a discussion about an article on infowars?

Really?

[99th_Monkey]

80. I'm a fan of the truth, who ever happens to be saying it

Last edited Mon Jun 24, 2013, 09:38 PM - Edit history (1)

I refuse to box my psyche out of fear, ignorance or arrogance,
imagining I always know better than someone who thinks and
acts "differently" somehow.

Infowars is not a site I frequent, and I don't completely trust
it as "unbiased", as I suspect it has a Libertarian under all the
"Everyman" rhetoric.

[KittyWampus]

87. well, the truth is out there. Why can't it be on infowars?

[99th_Monkey]

100. Because a platoon of self-appointed DU THought Police will torch you, that's why.

[KittyWampus]

120. You have the audacity to start a thread whining about guilt by association but that's exactly what

the OP does with Bill Clinton.

[bunnies]

104. Because the views of teabagging conspiracy whack-jobs are not welcome here.

TOS:

Don't be a wingnut (right-wing or extreme-fringe).

Democratic Underground is an online community for politically liberal people who understand the importance of working within the system to elect more Democrats and fewer Republicans to all levels of political office. Teabaggers, Neo-cons, Dittoheads, Paulites, Freepers, Birthers, and right-wingers in general are not welcome here. Neither are certain extreme-fringe left-wingers, including advocates of violent political/social change, hard-line communists, terrorist-apologists, America-haters, kooks, crackpots, LaRouchies, and the like.

[maddezmom]

109. Thank you!!!

I am for discussing but not with Paulites spreading their conspiracy shit all over the net.

[bunnies]

115. Couldnt agree more.

I cant believe anyone expects us to be taking this seriously. Lots of hearts for Rand Paul and whackjob jones 'round here I guess.

[ismnotwasm]

121. Why not find it on Democtratic sources?

Citing RW paleo-conservative nutjobs as a legitimate source on Democratic underground is not cool.

There are reasonable liberal/Democratic sites to find information from.

[snagglepuss]

107. Exactly what information that has been posted is inorrect?

[bunnies]

112. As Ive said already...

The OP has already outed himself as a liar and Im not going to waste my time wading through links to freerepublic and the Daily Paul. That RW paulite loony-bin crap isnt even allowed here per DUs TOS. Suddenly Im supposed to take this infowars bullshit seriously? Not happening.

Im not giving half a second to someone who claims to have written this article, then claims hes not the author, then claims someone else wrote it verbatim because he had a conversation. The OP clearly lacks honesty and Im not going to feed it. This bullshit only appears on the Daily Paul, inforwars and DU.

[snagglepuss]

114. For continued attack on the messenger is a lame attempt to deflect fromt he message.

What facts stated in the OP are incorrect?

[bunnies]

117. I refuse to reduce myself to entertaining

Alex Jones bullshit. Its not worth a second of my time.

[snagglepuss]

122. The OP is simply a list of people connected to Booz. Why wouldn't that be of interest to you?

[ismnotwasm]

71. The post was not either not written by the OP

Or was written by a libertarian/republican.
Either way, it doesn't belong here.

[99th_Monkey]

62. K & R ++++

THIS is the real story, if there is one, regarding the NDA leaks.

Thank you. You may have a career in Journalism, in our next
incarnation, if we survive this one.

[aquart]

64. My tax money has never been taken by force.

I acknowledge a responsibility to contribute to the maintenance of my government and my nation.

[JDPriestly]

65. Add to this the trade agreements that replace our government

with international corporate alliances. Bad news for democracy folks.

We have to stop this surveillance program. Because it is the way that these fiends have to control our lives.

This whole thing is unacceptable. We really are regressing to a medieval society.

This smells of Rockefeller. Rockefeller who built a monopoly based on his control of oil and railroad contracts. It's a complicated story, but Rockefeller was worse than the Mafia.

[TakeALeftTurn]

83. The Rockefeller Foundation

is still all over the government with back door lobbying etc.

[zeemike]

67. Hokey shit Batman that blows the mind.

And congratulation to you TakeALeftTurn for an great post....wish I could recommend it more than just once.

[bunnies]

68. Maybe you could rec it over at infowars.

Or the Daily Paul... Since thats where this gem of a post comes from.

[ismnotwasm]

70. I know right?

People are not paying attention

This time it *is* the messenger

[bunnies]

73. And this shit is on the Greatest Page.

I feel like Im on a different website. Since WHEN does a piece from the Daily Paul & infowars and up on the Greatest Page of DU? Its like sources dont even matter around here anymore. Geezuz. Then theres the OP himself, who claims he wrote the article but says hes not Tommy Paine, the author. He's just blatantly LYING right to our faces and slurp, slurp, the recs pile up. W.T.F.

[ismnotwasm]

84. It's embarrassing

You'd think enough people would have figured it out by now--it's been pointed out over and over on this thread, to take back their rec's, since its basically cheer leading a Ron Paul website.

[bunnies]

92. Yeah.

and now Im getting "dont attack the messenger". Seriously? The OP would have been laughed of DU mere months ago. Friggin Alex Jones FFS! And Im supposed to take this seriously?

[ismnotwasm]

99. I don't get it either

The thing is, no matter how someone feels about the issues here, you can find much better information from people who aren't nutjobs like Alex Jones, or Rwingnuts or any other kind of idiocy to support a position. I thought these kind of citations weren't allowed here-- I mean really, "FreeRepublic" ?????

[bunnies]

103. The source no longer matters...

as long as the message fits the preferred narrative. At least thats what Ive come to conclude. Freerepublic, Daily Paul, infowars etc., are now all perfectly good sources for information at DU. Here, lemme post a bunch of shit from sites that hate Democrats on Democratic Underground. I remember when doing this kind of thing would earn you a pizza.

You can bet there are more than a few trolls laughing their asses off right now. DUers defending DUers for citing freerepublic. ugh.

[zeemike]

72. Really? I did not know that.

And then I guess that Clapper was not involved with Booz Allen then and they just made all that shit up. is that right?...can you provide a link to show where that is all a lie?

[bunnies]

76. I can prove that the OP is a liar.

So yeah, Im going to discount this BS as BS. He cant claim to have written a piece, then deny he's the author and expect me to bother to look at whatever BS he's selling. If I want to read Alex Jones bullshit, Ill go over there. Thanks.


http://www.dailypaul.com/290258/booz-allen-hamilton-what-you-dont-know-about-snowdens-fomer-employer
http://www.infowars.com/booz-allen-hamilton-what-you-dont-know-about-snowdens-former-employer/

[zeemike]

90. The OP or the facts.

Are the facts a lie or not?
I have never read Inforwars...and I just heard of the Pauley thing today....don't give a fuck what they say...are the facts presented true or not?
We should know that...so if you know the facts are a lie please tell us and link to it.

[zeemike]

82. OK now I read through the thread to see what the deal is.

So my question is....are the facts and the associations presented true or not?
If the facts are correct I don't give a shit who else has published it...I am interested in the issue not the messenger.

[bunnies]

86. Im not going to waste my time researching words of a liar.

or a known conspiracy flinging nutbag or a Paul worshiping site. Theres only one kind of person that posts there... and now that shits on DU.

[ismnotwasm]

89. Then I suggest

Since free republic, info wars and Ron Paul are not known either for veracity or the smallest hint of support for Dems--in fact are anti- Democratic, you do a little research on your own.

[snagglepuss]

106. So what infomation in the post is wrong? Are the wrong people listed?

Is Caryle not involved? Is the BinLaden family not involved? Are biographical details incorrect?

[HiPointDem]

131. it doesn't matter when the sources are suspect. i wonder why the poster chose to use those

sources?

and why he chose to pretend it was his own work?

or if it was his own work, why he chose to post it on conspiracy and anti-semitic sites?

a lot of questions. is he a winger, or does he just play one?

[Coccydynia]

74. Good think Snowden's revelations

were old news, or we might not have focused on the Boozer corporation.

Oh, wait. Snowden's revelations were old news, so this information about Boozer is old news.

Oh, wait. I'm confused.

[TakeALeftTurn]

78. Most people don't know

how interconnected Booze is with the government (senior Gop & Dems), the Carlyle group, the Bin Laden family etc.

That is what is newsworthy.

[DeSwiss]

85. K&R

This is why this shit can't be ''fixed.'' No more laws can cure it. No commissions, no panels and no investigations will show the way to rectify it. Because the poisonous tentacles of this monster run deep and are twisted and entwined to the very core of our government in a death-grip.

- In the words of Jacque Fresco, this shit's got to go.....

Resource-based Economy

[kentuck]

91. Now this should be classified!

Snowden doesn't have this type of information.

[mshasta]

95. that is bush crap

that is the republicans power in congress...

another story is the individual ....he could have expose he's company and stay firm on American Ground...now he is running like a traitor

[Octafish]

111. BFEE Takes Charge: The Uses of 'Counter-Terrorism'

From Christopher Simpson, details on how Poppy Bush started the big ball of surveillance wax after he pried control of the spyworks out of the bed-ridden Pruneface in 1981:

George Bush Takes Charge: The Uses of "Counter-Terrorism"

By Christopher Simpson
Covert Action Quarterly 58

A paper trail of declassified documents from the Reagan‑Bush era yields valuable information on how counter‑terrorism provided a powerful mechanism for solidifying Bush's power base and launching a broad range of national security initiatives.

During the Reagan years, George Bush used "crisis management" and "counter‑terrorism" as vehicles for running key parts of the clandestine side of the US government.

Bush proved especially adept at plausible denial. Some measure of his skill in avoiding responsibility can be taken from the fact that even after the Iran‑Contra affair blew the Reagan administration apart, Bush went on to become the "foreign policy president," while CIA Director William Casey, by then conveniently dead, took most of the blame for a number of covert foreign policy debacles that Bush had set in motion.

The trail of National Security Decision Directives (NSDDS) left by the Reagan administration begins to tell the story. True, much remains classified, and still more was never committed to paper in the first place. Even so, the main picture is clear: As vice president, George Bush was at the center of secret wars, political murders, and America's convoluted oil politics in the Middle East.

SNIP...

Reagan and the NSC also used NSDDs to settle conflicts among security agencies over bureaucratic turf and lines of command. It is through that prism that we see the first glimmers of Vice President Bush's role in clandestine operations during the 1980s.

CONTINUED...

http://books.google.com/books?id=YZqRyj_QXf8C&pg=PA75&lpg=PA75&dq=christopher+simpson+The+Uses+of+%E2%80%98Counter-Terrorism%E2%80%99&source=bl&ots=8klB0PzATX&sig=hi9DpE3qF43Oefh7iGn79W4jXQs&hl=en&ei=zAFQTeriBsr2gAfu1Mgc&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBYQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=christopher%20simpson%20The%20Uses%20of%20%E2%80%98Counter-Terrorism%E2%80%99&f=false

Gangster times would be a picnic compared to what these are become.

[ProSense]

128. Booz Allen Hamilton: What You Don't Know About Snowden's Former Employer

Booz Allen Hamilton: What You Don't Know About Snowden's Former Employer

Submitted by TommyPaine on Mon, 06/24/2013 - 01:49in
Daily Paul Liberty Forum
Daily Paul Original

Let's take another trip down the rabbit hole, shall we?

http://www.dailypaul.com/290258/booz-allen-hamilton-what-you-dont-know-about-snowdens-fomer-employer

Hmmm
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3070273

Not surprised that a Ron Paul supporter picked up on this as well
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3070334

[ucrdem]

129. Author is no longer with us. nt

[pinto]

133. MIR Team (Skinner) banned TakeALeftTurn Reason: Conspiracy crap, obama hater, troll. (nt)

[bettyellen]

135. maybe repost with not such shitty sources? Locking this now.