When you disrespect your own government and show such little reagard for your President,

[kelliekat44]

so will everyone else around the world.

[Union Scribe]

1. Did you say that during Bush's terms?

And will you say it the next time a Republican takes the White House?

[okaawhatever]

17. If Bush behaved as Obama is behaving then, yes. The question is not about the

political affiliation of the President, it's about the Presidents response.
Snowden has revealed nothing that wasn't already published. That's an important fact to remember. His claim of bringing daylight to a program is meaningless. The documentarian Poitro had already written extensively about it with Binney. A BOOK was written about the Echelon program for Gods sake.

[Douglas Carpenter]

26. if Snowden didn't reveal anything that wasn't already published and known Then he didn't do anything

wrong - except be boring. If Snowden didn't reveal anything that wasn't already published then he certainly in no traitor and there is certainly no reason for anyone to pursue him.

[okaawhatever]

36. That response is beyond ignorant. Theft is theft. Violating an oath is violating an oath. What

Snowden has revealed and what Snowden has stolen are two different issues anyway. His claims of doing this to expose the programs that gather information on American citizens didn't reveal anything new. He has four computers worth of data. We don't know what those contain. He did claim that he has the location and identification info of American spies and assets everywhere in the world. He hasn't revealed it yet, but when he does it won't support his claim that he is trying to expose the American gov't "spying" on American citizens.
If he wanted to be a whistle blower, he should have followed whistle blower laws. He didn't and isn't. He's an individual who took an oath and then violated it.

[Douglas Carpenter]

38. until Snowden no one outside of the fringes of politics were even talkinga about the vast over reach

of the intelligence services. If some how our democracy survives this dangerous trend that is now open for all to see - even though you claim that he didn't reveal anything that wasn't already known - Still if democracy survives - regardless what kind of character Snowden is or what makes him tick or what his motivations were - democracy will forever owe a great debt of gratitude to him by forcing the issue out into the public domain.

[markiv]

2. If he'd done this under Bush

NOBODY on DU would be against him

simple as that

[treestar]

3. Interesting that we are required to find Democrats to be always as bad a Republicans

by people allegedly more liberal than we are.

Naturally Bush or a Republican will make it a lot worse. The Patriot Act was passed under Bush.

I am a Democrat and don't think Democrats would abuse the power. Republicans would, however.

Obama didn't invent it and doesn't abuse it. But a Republican would. Bush did. We are Democrats here and not required to assume Democrats are as bad as Republicans. That's left to you cynics.

I would have contempt for "him" if he did this to Bush. He'd be doing it to us, too. It's obvious he could not care less about what happens to "us" and our agents.

[Union Scribe]

9. "He'd be doing it to us, too."

Speak for yourself. The only people who should fear these revelations are those who hid sketchy activities under the guise of national security.

[Bonobo]

41. Good christ...

But that was poorly written.

[Marrah_G]

4. LOL

I'm watching John Adams and I had to laugh, because you sound like the Tories did.

[The Link]

5. Is this about the Dixie Chicks?

Are we in 2002?

[nadinbrzezinski]

7. Lately I have wondered if I am back in Hawaii

And hubbie deployed...Jon Titor left his time machine.

[Union Scribe]

11. I saw we all gather up Snowden's albums

and steamroll 'em! Rabble rabble rabble rabble.

[nadinbrzezinski]

6. Let me offer a friendly edit

When you disrespect your own government and show such little reagard for your king, so will everyone else around the world. ,

[winter is coming]

8. When our government shows so little regard for us and the Constitution, it deserves disrespect. n/t

[RC]

33. +10

But not according to our hero worshipers though. Always gotta respect our leaders, no matter what. Dissent = Disrespect.

[Harmony Blue]

10. Cool story

reality is that the rest of the world is right now laughing at the U.S. and the administration as they fumble around.

[TransitJohn]

12. Pffffft.

I'm sure you expressed the same sentiment under Bush*.

[JimDandy]

13. Respect must be earned...at home and abroad. Obama forgot that. n/t

[bobduca]

14. yeah its a popularity contest right?

i hope the US wins the world election next fall!

[Marr]

15. Just how servile are you?

Jesus.

[Douglas Carpenter]

16. AMEN! disrespecting authority and sassing back our leaders is an open invitation for more terrorist

attacks and people over there in all those foreign countries will look down on us.

13. All of you must be willing to obey completely those who rule over you. There are no authorities except the ones God has chosen. Those who now rule have been chosen by God. 2 So when you oppose the authorities, you are opposing those whom God has appointed. Those who do that will be judged.

3 If you do what is right, you won’t need to be afraid of your rulers. But watch out if you do what is wrong! You don’t want to be afraid of those in authority, do you? Then do what is right. The one in authority will praise you. 4 He serves God and will do you good. But if you do wrong, watch out! The ruler doesn’t carry a sword for no reason at all. He serves God. And God is carrying out his anger through him. The ruler punishes anyone who does wrong.

5 You must obey the authorities. Then you will not be punished. You must also obey them because you know it is right.

6 That’s also why you pay taxes. The authorities serve God. Ruling takes up all their time. 7 Give to everyone what you owe. Do you owe taxes? Then pay them. Do you owe anything else to the government? Then pay it. Do you owe respect? Then give it. Do you owe honor? Then show it.

Romans 13: 1-7

[DefenseLawyer]

18. Respect my authoritae!

[silvershadow]

39. Shut up, Fat Ass!-(Stan).

[Demit]

19. When a government disrespects its people, the world sees that too.

[frylock]

20. this place had a deep and abiding respect for our esteemed former president..

you shoulda been here.

[RC]

35. Which one?

buu$h or dead eye dick?

[cherokeeprogressive]

21. Fuck a buncha that. n/t

[MattFromKY]

22. You're just a stupid sheep unless you loathe your country.

And root for its adversaries to embarrass the shit out of the imperialist satan.

[Downwinder]

23. Respect has to be earned!!

[magellan]

24. I respect you for not coming right out and calling people terrorist sympathizers

Actually, no I don't.

[blkmusclmachine]

25. Huh?

[cthulu2016]

27. Glad Ari Fleisher has joined DU

[TheKentuckian]

28. The sources of the disregard are against my council and will. They violate our core law,

no matter what perversions, absurd twistings, and distortions are cranked out by soulless fucks protecting wealth and power while enabling the gross concentration of both by corrupt and/or stupid blind courts and acts of Congress in nibbles and bites over the years.

Nope, the reality is the disregard is being earned not given just like respect. How was the world going to respect being treated with some damn unacceptable practices?

[backscatter712]

29. "You're either with us or you're against us."

Thank you, George W. Bush!

[yurbud]

30. this PR blitz on DU is not working, in part because the shills are

Recycling the same talking points used to defend Bush.

I'm offended that the didn't come up with new, better ones to try to shut us up.

[damnedifIknow]

31. I agree with Roosevelt

To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.” Theodore Roosevelt

[steve2470]

32. Satire ? nt

[Safetykitten]

34. I know! This could happen!

[pacalo]

43. I had flashbacks of the Katrina aftermath in that Jack Webb scene.

How prophetic that scene was, with the armed guards on watch. Oh, & the U.S. is actually getting fences to keep people out (or, eventually, in ?) but a lot more fancier than the chain-link shown in the clip.

[neverforget]

37. We should kneel before our betters.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

40. Is that "regard" or "rearguard"? As in CYA?

[pacalo]

42. That has a familiar ring to it.

It's wise to question any president.

[mick063]

44. If you still believe that "we the people" are still the "government".

You are absolutely correct.

But I no longer believe that is the case.

I have zero respect for the financial moguls that call the political shots.

None.

Perhaps I do indeed disrespect our government. Or what is left of it. It certainly isn't the same government I grew up believing in. Not the same government that I served in the US Navy for. I once made an oath once to defend the Constitution. Now I only see constitutional mockery.



So you actually believe that the rest of the world holds the American government in high regard?

After our government failed to bring those that triggered world wide austerity to justice, you actually think the rest of the world thinks we are special?

Oh, we are special indeed. Every time a drone kills a child, the jihad extends another century. We are currently facing about another 12,000 years of holy war.

I'm sure the Europeans are lining up in droves to participate in the "cloud".

Really, really special indeed. (insert sarcasm emote here)

I would speculate that the rest of the world dislikes us more than at the peak of international dislike during W. Bush's term. I would speculate that the only reason the rest of the world hasn't already obliterated us is because we have a military second to none thanks to our "willingness" to fund it on the backs of the elderly, disabled, and poor.

Ponder this......

If we truly enjoyed world wide "respect", we wouldn't need to spend more on our military than the next ten countries combined.

It must be comforting to believe the rest of the world loves us.