Before this is over, the entire architecture of the Internet will be rebuilt

[dkf]

Here's why:

A huge proportion of all global Internet traffic flows through networks controlled by the United States. This is because eight of fifteen global tier 1 telecommunications companies are American owned -- companies like AT&T, CenturyLink, and Verizon. Furthermore, the social media services are also mostly provided by giants headquartered in the United States, including Google, Facebook, Yahoo!, and Twitter.

All of these companies are subject to U.S. law, including the provisions of the U.S. Patriot Act, no matter where their services are offered or their servers located.

Having the world's Internet traffic routed through the U.S. and having those telecommunications companies under its jurisdiction compromises the constitutionally guaranteed privacy rights of citizens of all other sovereign nations.



This will end.

The rest of the world will not stand for it.

It's a simple fact and an economic black swan for the US.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/06/23/1218102/-US-NSA-Accused-of-Criminal-Privacy-Violations-in-Dozens-of-Nations-Snowden-Blowback

[Eleanors38]

1. Hell, it's time to get a CB & a HAM radio.

[HubertHeaver]

2. If anyone wants to listen in on

CB and HAM they have to do it in real time.

Yeah, conversations can be recorded. The recordings have to be listened to in real time.

[galileoreloaded]

4. encrypted packet data nt.

[FarCenter]

13. HAM transmissions generally must be in the clear

§ 97.113 Prohibited transmissions.
(a) No amateur station shall transmit:

messages encoded for the purpose of obscuring
their meaning, except as otherwise
provided herein;

[geckosfeet]

5. It is standard practice, for seroius HAMs, to record by hand (ie: write down)

the contents of a call. This includes call signs etc.

To use most HAM wavelengths legally, you must be licensed.

[HubertHeaver]

31. Good info!

Thanks.

The closest I ever got to HAM radio was using the MARS system from RVN. As it turned out, my call was relayed to my parents by Barry Goldwater.

Goldwater picked up the tab for calls inside AZ, other CONUS calls were relayed collect.

[MrScorpio]

32. We had MARS back in the '80s when I was in Korea

I think I used it once. I can't remember.

[ZombieHorde]

3. Interesting. That just might happen. nt

[ReRe]

6. Yeahup...

... may take a while, but there'll be some changes made "over there." Shouldn'ta orta' done it. Honesty and openness is the best policy. Secret-keepers don't make good friends, globally, i.e. Old Europe is gonna' rise again, much to the demise of old Rummy. And keep your eyes on China... they're spittin' mad over there about now.

[HiPointDem]

7. i liked the world better before the internet.

[KurtNYC]

8. the fundamental life blood of commerce is trust

Warranties, testimonials, guarantees, and product reviews are all put forward to get the customer up to the threshold of trust.

Conversely, the erosion of trust is the erosion of our economy.

[randome]

9. There's nothing wrong with distributing the network more fairly.

But what other country would you like to run it? Who has the resources to do so?

And what does 'constitutionally guaranteed privacy rights of citizens of all other sovereign nations' mean?

Since when does our Constitution apply to everyone else? Maybe it should but it doesn't now.

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[Jarla]

35. Article 12 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights:

No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy, family, home or correspondence, nor to attacks upon his honour and reputation. Everyone has the right to the protection of the law against such interference or attacks.

http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/

[randome]

36. Sounds good to me.

A lot of countries don't come anywhere near adhering to those principles, though. Are we depriving them of their rights when they don't care about such 'details'?

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[Jarla]

37. Are you suggesting that...

...if a person is already being deprived of her rights by her government, then it's ok if our government does it to her as well?

[Progressive dog]

10. Yup, the internet will be routed through China, Russia, Iceland,Cuba, and Ecuador

because nobody can spy on them there. They have the US constitution but their governments obey it. I know this because they let Snowden go there.

[sibelian]

15. Hnk! What's the difference?

America's nicer?

lol

[Progressive dog]

26. So what do you care if it continues

I would think that on a American political discussion board, there would be fewer knee jerk denigrations of America.

[FarCenter]

11. I would think each country would run its own root DNS server

Cross border DNS queries would be prohibited except for the official filtered ones that update the countries DNS server.

BGP exchanges would also be filtered to protect each country's Autonomous Systems from routing through other countries.

The internet is by definition a network of networks. Even numbering can be local, so long as you NAT everything at the border.

[Recursion]

17. There's been some movement towards that

Not every country, but decentralizing the DNS root structure.

[geek tragedy]

12. Okay, through where will it be routed, Antarctica? nt

[sibelian]

16. Who can say? nt

[geek tragedy]

18. More likely that an Internet treaty will have to be created to govern it.

International web traffic has to physically go through somewhere. If people in Pakistan want to email someone in London, the circuitry in between has to exist somewhere. If the US can do it today, France can do it tomorrow.

[snooper2]

25. You ever see a fiber map before?

It reall just isn't a series of tubes...REALLY... LOL

Here, just ONE carrier- Take a looky at the picture at the link. You can even click and zoom in on London if you like


http://maps.level3.com/default/


FYI, one line does not = one strand of fiber

[Recursion]

20. I could see managing chokepoints as a cash cow for places like Tuvalu

Kind of like domain registration is.

Still, nothing's been stopping other countries from building their own Fairfax County; they've just been happy to use ours until now.

[closeupready]

14. And...? Why SHOULD the rest of the world stand for it?

Why should AMERICANS?

[Recursion]

19. Any country who wants to build the infrastructure is free to

That would also be a good thing from a network stability standpoint.

Though IPv6 will complicate things too.

[siligut]

23. The US being the "hub" is no accident

Knowledge is power and the US has worked toward being the world power. I can only imagine that attempts by other countries to create infrastructures has been deterred.

[randome]

24. We also created the Internet, remember?

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[siligut]

28. So what you are saying is that it is our baby, so it is natural that we control it?

[randome]

33. Not at all. Just that it wasn't a 'power trip' as you're implying.

If other countries want to expend the resources to manage their own hubs, no problem here.

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[Recursion]

27. Well, you don't want to overstate that; it's not 1998 anymore

There's been a lot of work over the past 2 decades to decentralize things; this may well accelerate it.

[siligut]

29. There has been discussion here regarding desperate measures to maintain power

I hope you are correct, decentralize and mediate.

[randome]

21. And what do you have against black swans?

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[snooper2]

22. ROFL

You should start a new patent describing a new anycast protocol that has a country limiter, call it anycast+ LOL

[Progressive dog]

30. I would think some of those people outside the US have to communicate into the USA

Per the article, the only evidence the data came from the FBI is the hacker claim.
There is no evidence that the data came from the NSA
Apple stores the data, it is no secret, but; the NSA hacks Apple, sends data to FBI, FBI gets hacked by hackers makes more sense than Apple being hacked by the hackers.

This proves that other sovereign nations will re-route the internet to avoid the USA.

[laundry_queen]

34. My prof at school mentioned this, oh, 6 months ago or so

We were having a discussion about online back ups and a bunch of us use services that hold information in the US. He warned us that our information was now in the hands of the US government and their laws, and that our information was at risk of being stolen/looked at by the US government. We had a lively class discussion about this and the consensus was the US is out of control with their internet data gathering. You are right, the rest of the world is getting pissed about this. This was in business school, by the way. Future CEOs, CFOs and accountants - business won't stand for this, that's for sure. Nothing like having a foreign entity spying on your trade secrets. It'll be international corporations that will stop this, not the people, IMO.