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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsDo you find Snowden's story fishy?
Could he have been paid by a foreign power to get access to this info and then "leak" it? It's causing a whole lot of trouble for a whole lot of people.
This whole thing just doesn't make sense to me. Too orchestrated. Too damaging.
Wow. I just don't trust anyone any more. Can't tell what's real and what is an illusion.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)What did he leak that we didn't know already? Still waiting for that-
He's got millions of docs right? Where's all the top secret stuff snowy! If you are going to leak, LEAK punk, don't be a fucking tease
leftyladyfrommo
(18,918 posts)paid any attention for the last few years.
I just find the whole thing really puzzling. Where did this guy really come from? What was his real purpose? And now, where did he go to? Why would someone who was so big on freedom find shelter in China and Russia/
It just makes no sense to me on any level.
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)hacks were still active and which had been shot down,
KansDem
(28,498 posts)I want to know what really happened on 9/11. Might be why so many folks are after him. We can only wonder about those who work in the shadows...
frylock
(34,825 posts)about how reckless that would be, and how it's endangered lives. isn't that the argument against manning?
snooper2
(30,151 posts)Since everything I've heard him say about the NSA "capabilities" is pretty much bullshit...
Come on low level IT dude, what you got!
backscatter712
(26,355 posts)Oh, and it wasn't Manning that did the wholesale dump.
LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)Guess that makes at least two of us
sibelian
(7,804 posts)Democracyinkind
(4,015 posts)What I find highly suspicious is the level of access he claims to have had. It is either an empty boast or definitive proof that our national security apparatus is a sick money-making scheme that is not in the least interested in protecting us.
I do like that this Bush machinery is finally being discussed again. For a while there it looked like the Dems could get away with simply carrying on Bushes "national security strategy". We should have been discussing how to handle Bush's behemoth (and even its pre-Bushian parts) ever since March 2009.
HipChick
(25,485 posts)documents and not much else
Democracyinkind
(4,015 posts)HipChick
(25,485 posts)It would be at OS level,and not at application level...
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)" that our national security apparatus is a sick money-making scheme that is not in the least interested in protecting us."
That has been an established fact since they put Rumsfeld's companies x-ray machines in the airports along with basically an incompetent ( but very chilling inducing) TSA.
notice that non of the non public use transport places have inspections: the ports, container ships, non-passenger jets, the thousands of small planes that use big airports, long haul trucks, trains, etc.
All of the so called 'security" business is focused on being highly visible to the public, for intimidating purposes:
TSA, and highway stop and frisk, militarized police, etc.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Faux pas
(14,803 posts)questioning his motives. http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022993347
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)AZ Progressive
(3,411 posts)The discussion of surveillance on Americans, because it makes Obama look bad?
MindPilot
(12,693 posts)It is so reminiscent of the run up to the Iraq war when the CorpMedia was just throwing random different made-up shit out there until something stuck to the public.
RobinA
(9,961 posts)Have his documents been shown to not be authentic? Is the gist of what he said is happening not happening? That's what I care about. He could have escaped from prison for a triple ax murder, but if he shows up with some credible info about the NSA spying on Americans I'm going to be very interested in what the NSA has to say and what Congress is going to do about it. I care about his info, not his resume.
I don't know why I'm saying this. It just doesn't seem to get through. People who care about the constitutionality of this mess do.not.care.about.Snowden.
usGovOwesUs3Trillion
(2,022 posts)I find it to be illegal, too.
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)government n the citizens of this country? Or is this 911 and a verb? Therefore verboten?
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)what is real and what is an illusion? If you don't know, then it's good not to trust too much.
Better to be patient than jump to conclusions.
Speculation:
I bet you that Snowden's motivation is NOT money. Which shoots down the theory of "paid by a foreign power." I think he fits the independent, creative personality type who doesn't concede authority to anyone very easily--ie. not a trusting person. If he ever was, he had his mind blown working in intelligence-gathering. Regardless of your opinion about what he's doing, I think it's "what you see is what you get" with Snowden. He seeks to uncover the Big Lie. It's possible that he has been dealing with depression about what he knows, and couldn't live with it. If so the motivation would be validation, psychologically speaking, and relief of a disturbing level of cognitive dissonance. It's not something you can tell a shrink. I know it's hard to imagine that he doesn't care about money, but many people don't. I see him as throwing his fate to the wind.
Just my opinion. Who really knows?
leftyladyfrommo
(18,918 posts)It will make a good movie. That will probably be the end result of all of this.
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)--if this is only a movie, it's one of the worst nightmares I've ever witnessed.
Fantasy/reality = Americans can't tell the difference.
Democracyinkind
(4,015 posts)Such as his claim of being in possessions of a NOC-list (I take this term from Mission Impossible because I seriously doubt such a thing really exists).
I don't see any evidence or hints at him being an agent of a foreign power, though. As with most things concerning espionage, though, this is just a "gut feeling" and not an assessment based on full insight into documentary evidence.
relayerbob
(6,590 posts)Only, I doubt the financial backers are foreign. The guy is a pawn, the real questions are who and what is the goal?
leftyladyfrommo
(18,918 posts)I wouldn't put anything past some of the people in the GOP.
Wonder if this could be a Rove thing? Or Cheney maybe?