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Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
Tue Jun 25, 2013, 11:19 PM Jun 2013

What's happening tonight in Texas is proof positive there is a huge difference between Dems & Repubs

You've got Democrats, men and women, fighting right now to keep this filibuster going to preserve a woman's right to choose.

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What's happening tonight in Texas is proof positive there is a huge difference between Dems & Repubs (Original Post) Drunken Irishman Jun 2013 OP
No! No! No! Obama=Bush, dammit!! Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2013 #1
This message was self-deleted by its author Pholus Jun 2013 #4
I hear you, but Obama != Democratic Platform. nt Xipe Totec Jun 2013 #5
That's just half assed lazy talk. Cha Jun 2013 #17
You missed my "sarcasm" smilie. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2013 #59
I got it.. I knew you Cha Jun 2013 #62
Why I still care about local and state elections nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #2
I'll take that. I've been screaming this for years. We must not neglect state/local races. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2013 #8
I cover them for the paper. nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #12
Glad to see you back Drunken Irishman! hrmjustin Jun 2013 #3
There's a huge difference. Not many DevonRex Jun 2013 #6
The differences are not as great as you think. Coccydynia Jun 2013 #39
Is not rufus dog Jun 2013 #7
State/local elections matter. Dawson Leery Jun 2013 #9
I could never be a politician. I'd be screaming at the chair to fuck off right now. tridim Jun 2013 #10
I live in NC , a state that was governed by Dems octoberlib Jun 2013 #11
it's a wrecking ball G_j Jun 2013 #13
+1 octoberlib Jun 2013 #14
just make sure to blame President Obama for all of that. Whisp Jun 2013 #16
I don't believe there is a single person in NC G_j Jun 2013 #21
Nah, I'm not into the blame game. That's too simplistic. octoberlib Jun 2013 #22
Campaign finance reform with publicly funded elections are the only thing that could save this Dustlawyer Jun 2013 #30
Saw this on Politico the other day octoberlib Jun 2013 #57
My health insurance and that of 11,000 NCers who had Inclusive Health thanks to Dems tpsbmam Jun 2013 #50
doesn't that just get your goat. Whisp Jun 2013 #15
+10000000 LadyHawkAZ Jun 2013 #18
Welcome back blogslut Jun 2013 #19
Those who say there isn't a difference have their poor heads Cha Jun 2013 #20
Damn straight ismnotwasm Jun 2013 #23
Yep! When GOP controls, they won't let Democrats pee, eat, or lean on a desk, when filibustering... Faryn Balyncd Jun 2013 #24
Right! HurricaneWarning Jun 2013 #34
On any individual issue there may be differences. Bonobo Jun 2013 #25
DU rec... SidDithers Jun 2013 #26
I don't think anyone disagrees with you. BlueCheese Jun 2013 #27
Excuse my lack of knowledge but.... Catch2.2 Jun 2013 #28
Try to pay attention. Zoeisright Jun 2013 #29
In Washington HurricaneWarning Jun 2013 #36
From your fingers to Harry Reid's ears. n/t magellan Jun 2013 #43
Damn straight there is a difference, especially in Texas! hamsterjill Jun 2013 #31
the problem is that many who say no difference are ones who don't consider this issue to be JI7 Jun 2013 #32
And constantly saying that there is no difference Iliyah Jun 2013 #37
Drunken Irishman! Brigid Jun 2013 #33
Damn skippy. Anybody who thinks they are the same has their head up their ass. nt msanthrope Jun 2013 #35
agreed RainDog Jun 2013 #38
June 25, 2013. It's my daughter's 16th birthday. TxDemChem Jun 2013 #40
Yep. Vote these assholes out! Iliyah Jun 2013 #44
Hell yeah! TxDemChem Jun 2013 #58
Boy, you said that right! ReRe Jun 2013 #41
K & R SunSeeker Jun 2013 #42
What I'am reading that the GOPers did not Iliyah Jun 2013 #45
Yes, at that level of government. At the top levels of government, the difference becomes ephemeral Fire Walk With Me Jun 2013 #46
Nice Try BehindTheCurtain76 Jun 2013 #47
Nice try yourself. Your agenda is obvious. So DevonRex Jun 2013 #55
ok BehindTheCurtain76 Jun 2013 #56
As a straight white employed male, I have the privilege of saying there's no difference Recursion Jun 2013 #60
Here we go again Iliyah Jun 2013 #48
Stand up for Women! sheshe2 Jun 2013 #49
Women's rights were the only reason I voted for Obama in 2012, but it just isn't enough anymore. liberal_at_heart Jun 2013 #51
Then vote your heart Iliyah Jun 2013 #52
oh, I plan on it. I think it's about time we all took to the streets. I think we all have plenty to liberal_at_heart Jun 2013 #54
Well hello DI Hekate Jun 2013 #53
K & R Scurrilous Jun 2013 #61

Response to Liberal_Stalwart71 (Reply #1)

Cha

(319,080 posts)
62. I got it.. I knew you
Wed Jun 26, 2013, 04:40 PM
Jun 2013

wouldn't be talkin' that way!

I meant those who do spout that nonsense are just lazy or liars.. hard to tell sometimes.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
12. I cover them for the paper.
Tue Jun 25, 2013, 11:33 PM
Jun 2013

So I am good.

It's easy to fill a ballot when you interview most of the field.

And I have said that probably as long as you have. But DC, (and I have been hearing this from my personal focus group) I give up. If it helps, so do a few Republicans.

It's purely anecdotal, and I know my local registrar does know this, just don't share it. I want to see the total voting numbers, and participation by national, state and local issues in 2014. If what I am seeing (and hearing from local party officials) is true...2014 might break a lot of molds.

Suffice it to say, locally they are very worried.

Dawson Leery

(19,568 posts)
9. State/local elections matter.
Tue Jun 25, 2013, 11:29 PM
Jun 2013

Malloy has his flaws, he is still far superior to the kooks who want to run against him next year.

Yes, Rethugs are in the minority in the CT state house (1/3rd), Half of them are certified kooks who are out of place in New England.

tridim

(45,358 posts)
10. I could never be a politician. I'd be screaming at the chair to fuck off right now.
Tue Jun 25, 2013, 11:33 PM
Jun 2013

This seems like it's going to go on forever.

octoberlib

(14,971 posts)
11. I live in NC , a state that was governed by Dems
Tue Jun 25, 2013, 11:33 PM
Jun 2013

until recently. Republicans are in the process of tearing this state apart.

Award-winning Medicaid program - gone

We were one of the states with some of the best voting rights and environmental laws in the nation - gone

Renewable energy standard- they're working on destroying it.

and much, much more.

 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
16. just make sure to blame President Obama for all of that.
Tue Jun 25, 2013, 11:44 PM
Jun 2013

and some.

Sincere apologies if you aren't one of those that do actually say that here.

*spits

G_j

(40,569 posts)
21. I don't believe there is a single person in NC
Tue Jun 25, 2013, 11:51 PM
Jun 2013

who thinks Obama is responsible for the actions of our teabag Republicans.
Trying to insert that line here is quite a stretch.

octoberlib

(14,971 posts)
22. Nah, I'm not into the blame game. That's too simplistic.
Tue Jun 25, 2013, 11:58 PM
Jun 2013

I'm into the ' elect more Dems and campaign finance reform" game.

Dustlawyer

(10,539 posts)
30. Campaign finance reform with publicly funded elections are the only thing that could save this
Wed Jun 26, 2013, 12:25 AM
Jun 2013

country, but I believe that we (as a group) will wait too long.

octoberlib

(14,971 posts)
57. Saw this on Politico the other day
Wed Jun 26, 2013, 03:13 AM
Jun 2013
According to a Gallup poll posted on Monday, 50 percent of Americans say they would support a law banning campaign contributions from individuals and groups, which would instead have government fund federal campaigns; 44 percent said they would oppose such an initiative. Americans also overwhelmingly support limiting congressional campaign contributions, the poll found: Seventy-nine percent said they would support such limits; 19 percent said they would not.


The survey of 1,015 adults was conducted June 15-16 and has a margin of error of plus or minus 3 percentage points.



Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/06/government-funded-campaigns-poll-93229.html#ixzz2XIuZra8y

tpsbmam

(3,927 posts)
50. My health insurance and that of 11,000 NCers who had Inclusive Health thanks to Dems
Wed Jun 26, 2013, 02:04 AM
Jun 2013

& Dem Gov. Bev Purdue has been stolen by the reTHUGS in Raleigh. Yet we taxpayers contribute mightily to theirs, their pension plans, etc.

They're subhuman.

All I can hope for is the idiots who voted these assholes into office suffer more than anyone. You know most of them aren't rich and will soon be hurting with the disastrous tax plans and the nightmares to come. Maybe, just maybe, these assholes will then get a clue.

 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
15. doesn't that just get your goat.
Tue Jun 25, 2013, 11:41 PM
Jun 2013

with all this talk about the Presdient being just like Bush, or worse. And the dems have no spine or reason to be and they gave us shit all, just like the pugs.

stupidity abounds. head shakingly astounding to try to equalize the two parties and what they have done and are doing.

the ignorance, hard to take.

Cha

(319,080 posts)
20. Those who say there isn't a difference have their poor heads
Tue Jun 25, 2013, 11:47 PM
Jun 2013

up their collective wazoo.

thanks DI

Faryn Balyncd

(5,125 posts)
24. Yep! When GOP controls, they won't let Democrats pee, eat, or lean on a desk, when filibustering...
Wed Jun 26, 2013, 12:06 AM
Jun 2013


...And when Democrats are in charge, they let Republicans have their way with them, 365 days of the year, with just the threat of of a filibuster, until the media just says "They didn't have the votes."

Yep. There is a big, big difference.









HurricaneWarning

(220 posts)
34. Right!
Wed Jun 26, 2013, 12:30 AM
Jun 2013

My thoughts exactly. If it is good enough for TX than it should be good enough for Washington. Make everyone filibuster the same way and see who is left standing. (and talking)

BlueCheese

(2,522 posts)
27. I don't think anyone disagrees with you.
Wed Jun 26, 2013, 12:11 AM
Jun 2013

Somehow we have to figure out when the right mixture of supporting Democrats while still giving them a reason to actually fight for tough liberal issues. I don't think anyone has an answer yet, and there probably isn't one.

Catch2.2

(629 posts)
28. Excuse my lack of knowledge but....
Wed Jun 26, 2013, 12:15 AM
Jun 2013

How come I never hear the Repubs having to Filibuster. All they seem to do is threaten to and the Dems cave.

Zoeisright

(8,339 posts)
29. Try to pay attention.
Wed Jun 26, 2013, 12:22 AM
Jun 2013

This is the Texas legislature, where the rules are very different.

HurricaneWarning

(220 posts)
36. In Washington
Wed Jun 26, 2013, 12:33 AM
Jun 2013

In Washington, that' s all they have to do. Gone are the days of Mr. Smith goes to Washington. I say that if they want to drag us back 50 years we should go with the old program. Make them talk.

hamsterjill

(17,577 posts)
31. Damn straight there is a difference, especially in Texas!
Wed Jun 26, 2013, 12:26 AM
Jun 2013

As a life long Texan, I can tell you with certainty that there is a real difference.

Democrats are sane. These Republican fanatics are complete and utter loonies. If tonight is not testament to that fact, I don't know what would be. Loonies, I tell you! Loonies!

JI7

(93,617 posts)
32. the problem is that many who say no difference are ones who don't consider this issue to be
Wed Jun 26, 2013, 12:27 AM
Jun 2013

important.

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
37. And constantly saying that there is no difference
Wed Jun 26, 2013, 12:41 AM
Jun 2013

and repeating threads on the same damn topic and attacking anyone who disagrees and or trash anyone who don't think like them and bash the Pres.

True GOPers ways. That said, Ms. Davis is a true Hero, cheers!

TxDemChem

(1,924 posts)
40. June 25, 2013. It's my daughter's 16th birthday.
Wed Jun 26, 2013, 01:04 AM
Jun 2013

I got pissed when I learned of the SCOTUS decision on the VRA. But tonight, I was reminded of what a group of people with compassion and determination can do in the face of adversity.

I will remember today and keep fighting for tomorrow.

Thanks for posting DI

ReRe

(12,189 posts)
41. Boy, you said that right!
Wed Jun 26, 2013, 01:09 AM
Jun 2013

Hi Drunken Irishman! How ya' doing? Nice to see you back in here.

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
45. What I'am reading that the GOPers did not
Wed Jun 26, 2013, 01:34 AM
Jun 2013

follow the filbuster rules, but what else is new. This will be tied up in court.

 

Fire Walk With Me

(38,893 posts)
46. Yes, at that level of government. At the top levels of government, the difference becomes ephemeral
Wed Jun 26, 2013, 01:36 AM
Jun 2013

as evidenced by a long but non-exhaustive list of problems we are facing, which do not appear on any ballot, which are not given more than lip service or less by the top representatives of either party.

-Citizens United = unlimited donations and campaign spending by corporations and rich businessmen. $2 billion spent upon this election cycle. Mussolini's definition of Fascism says it should be called corporatism, because it is a merger of state and corporate power.
-No wall street regulation or punishment, same with the banks
-A multiple hundred-fold disparity in income between CEOs and workers, which remains unchanged even a year after OWS
-Drones used for summary execution of foreigners and US citizens abroad suspected of terrorism or terrorist ties
-Hundreds of children killed by these drones in more than five countries
-The NDAA signed again for another year, allowing indefinite detention of US citizens without trial or representation
-The Bush-era FISA warrantless wireless wiretapping bill was just signed into five more years of activity.
-The TPP is a secretive corporate alliance creating international law.
-The ALEC is a secretive national corporate alliance creating US law, such as "stand your ground". (Mussolini: Fascism/Corporatism)
-7400+ Occupy members bloodied and arrested for peacefully protesting the above with nary a whisper from the White House. Silence is consent.
-Glass-Steagall remains removed, and the banks remain unregulated. Reinstate it now.
-There are 64 drone bases being built within the US as you read this. Did you vote for this? No. No citizen did.
-Drones will be used by increasingly militarized law enforcement, who are now tentacles of the illegal DHS. See Los Angeles iWatch and Special Order 11. All your information are belong to us.
-The DHS have membership who are blatantly anti-Occupy (Peter King) and have lied about spying upon Occupy from the beginning. "Trust your mechanic..."
-The FBI have been raiding Occupy activists' apartments for "literature", creating terrorists by offering bomb-making materiel to Americans, and spying upon Americans in general.
-Yes, militarized police and sheriffs. Have you seen the armored vehicles and weaponry being handed out by DHS, much less the hundreds of millions of hollow point munitions purchased by DHS (who will not discuss it)?
-Word of microphones being installed on buses to record citizen conversation. "Americans as terrorists" is making big money to arms and war tech dealers who are only interested in creating a new market...inside the US.
-Obama just signed life-long protection from protesters for himself and W Bush, via permanent Secret Service protection. HR347 makes it a Federal crime to protest where there are secret service present. He's protected a war criminal who desperately requires protesting! Life long protesting!
-The US government have known about "robosigning", the illegal foreclosure mill used by big banks, for over two years and have done nothing as citizens have their homes stolen. Yes, wall street are among the buyers at the quarterly bulk sales.
-Amber Lyon found and revealed that CNN take money from the Bahrain government to report that "everything is okay" while it IS NOT. Where is the government oversight upon this and truth-telling in mainstream media?
-Clarence Thomas (Supreme Court judge) was a lawyer for Monsanto, yet he will not recuse himself from Monsanto cases brought before him. There is now a Monsanto person in the FDA. WTF.
-Goldman Sachs. Enough said. Perhaps not. Did you know GS execs are in power in Greece, Italy, and other countries that are being savaged by "austerity", which is nothing more than socialized debt and theft? And power grabs?
-The multinational Trans-Canada Keystone XL pipeline and the horrifically toxic Tar Sands development. Stealing the environment and people's land with a nod from government. Obama's likely nominee, Susan Rice, who may decide about the pipeline, owns more than $300,000 in tar sands stock.
-Private, for-profit prisons (taxpayer-funded) advertising a 90% occupancy rate. Thank you "war on drugs", with some 46% of inmates incarcerated on drug-related offences. Research the prison-industrial complex and those profiting (don't overlook Wells Fargo's massive investment in one of these companies).
-The military industrial complex and the now-endless war budget (continues on US soil under the concept of "Americans are terrorists&quot .
-The TSA, who have been testing out on buses. Don't need them everywhere, please!

We just do not get a vote regarding these things. Both parties are for all of the above because they are little more than corporate and plutonomist shills.

How long has it been since this has been known, and what are any of our "representatives" doing about it? Where are we supposed to vote regarding this? A 470 times gap in income between the poor and America's very very rich, with the poor doing ever worse and the middle class an endangered species.



 

BehindTheCurtain76

(112 posts)
47. Nice Try
Wed Jun 26, 2013, 01:40 AM
Jun 2013

Always an agenda...first off their is very little difference between the two parties except on hot button issues which are used by the 1% to divide the people. Stop congratulating yourself so quickly. On abortion, gay rights, marijuana (not so much anymore), womens rights, workplace rights yes there is a difference and these are important issues but foreign policy, the police state, surveillance, banking etc there is almost no difference and when there is a little bit Dems still take a backseat as the B-Team. This may not always apply when it comes to average people and state legislatures are more of a reflection of average people than federal legislatures. The fact is that the democratic leadership has been hijacked at the highest levels and gets better as you trickle down the ladder. We have 2 million people in jail in this country and I'd like people to do something about that. The problem is the money because people get bought off as they rise to the top echelons and now that NSA has every single email and phone call recorded as has now been admitted they can blackmail any politician or judge to do their bidding. Google Montague Norman quotes from the 1920s and you will get where Im coming from. I 100% support these Dems in Texas and I think they should storm the bastille and put an end to this disgrace.

DevonRex

(22,541 posts)
55. Nice try yourself. Your agenda is obvious. So
Wed Jun 26, 2013, 02:40 AM
Jun 2013

you have no call to act like agendas are a bad thing. And it just so happens that DI's agenda, promoting and electing Democrats, fits with the mission of DU all the time.

 

BehindTheCurtain76

(112 posts)
56. ok
Wed Jun 26, 2013, 02:52 AM
Jun 2013

That was too harsh a word. What I meant is we are so eager to see differences because we have been so disappointed lately by the similarities...and not beneficial similarities like coming together for the benefit of all. Ive been campaigning for Democrats since 1985 and I just can't believe what I have witnessed over the years. I do believe the differences are pronounced at the local, county and even state levels...after that the good examples become sparse.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
60. As a straight white employed male, I have the privilege of saying there's no difference
Wed Jun 26, 2013, 11:11 AM
Jun 2013

For people less privileged than I am, the difference between Democrats and Republicans can mean life and death.

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
48. Here we go again
Wed Jun 26, 2013, 01:47 AM
Jun 2013

Libertarian aka tea brats aka GOPers . . . on and on and on

Thats DI, you are correct but of course they come in and spout, ugh.

There is a fucking difference, damn. And this weakness shit is getting tiresome. At least Dems ain't cowards and trying to take away my rights.

sheshe2

(97,634 posts)
49. Stand up for Women!
Wed Jun 26, 2013, 01:52 AM
Jun 2013

In Texas and the entire effing world!

What the hell is wrong with people! What is so warped in the GOP's mind.

Women are living breathing beings. We have a heart , soul, feelings and God bless us brains! We walk, we talk and we have feelings that run deeper than the GOP's souls. Do they really believe that they own us?

They take away our rights for health care. Basic health care.

I know many men support this too. They have wives, daughters, mothers and grandmothers that they hold dear. Why does the majority of the GOP not care. What do they say to their wives and daughters at the end of the day.

This is wrong! So very wrong.

Thank you DI for this sad Op that must be seen and heard!

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
51. Women's rights were the only reason I voted for Obama in 2012, but it just isn't enough anymore.
Wed Jun 26, 2013, 02:10 AM
Jun 2013

Yes, I want to fight for my rights and my daughter's rights, but does that mean I just ignore my son who is being mistreated in this joke of a public education system we have? No, this time I fight for both my children.

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
52. Then vote your heart
Wed Jun 26, 2013, 02:24 AM
Jun 2013

but vote. I myself was an independent and became a Democratic member and I ain't looking back. Like my grandparent and my parents, I'm taking to the streets and city hall. I belong to the Democratic Party here in Los Angeles and what I'm witnessing across the country is un-American, and yes, the GOPers are taking civil rights away, screwing the educational systems and many many other things, and we are fighting back.

Join whatever political party you feel is best and work with them. Hopefully they can help you with your son's situation regarding his schooling. Here my children go to pubic school and the district is great.

Live Long and Prosper (Trekker here) - LOL

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
54. oh, I plan on it. I think it's about time we all took to the streets. I think we all have plenty to
Wed Jun 26, 2013, 02:35 AM
Jun 2013

complain about.

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