Hispanic guy guns down Black guy and there is hardly any notice taken on progressive sites

[WestStar]

Hell, it's all they are talking about on right wing sports talk radio. Hour after hour day after day.

Aaron Hernandez (Puerto Rican/Irish/Italian), a wealthy mansion dweller, has allegedly murdered in cold blood, with an illegally possessed gun no less, a young man Odin LLoyd(black guy). Where is the outrage? Where is the endless speculation about racist motives? Why aren't there 100's of posts discussing how our society and it's attitudes are responsible for this tragic incident? Where are the endless details about Aaron's background and prior actions?

Why no comment from the President about if he had a son he would look like Odin?

Where is the media hype? Why must I listen to Sports talk radio to get the real news?

I'm suspicious of the mostly deafening silence on this matter.

[cantbeserious]

1. Where's The Link To The Story?

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[muriel_volestrangler]

30. Oh, there are plenty of links

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014520709
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023114944
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023114031
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023110663
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014519619
http://www.democraticunderground.com/120432129
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023100371
http://upload.democraticunderground.com/10023112172
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023059706
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023050903
http://www.democraticunderground.com/120431855
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023045876

etc.

But the OP would have you believe that DU isn't talking about this. That's because the OP is up to no good.

[warrior1]

2. so talk about it

What's your problem with this site?

Isn't more about you than us?

We can talk about more than one thing.

Oh, they are saying that the victim may have had some dirt on the killer about other murders, so maybe it's nothing about race at all.

[countingbluecars]

3. The police did their job.

Hernandez is in custody. No need for outrage.

[JackN415]

11. exactly. But too many online provocateurs-for-a-living fail to comprehend what you write.

[treestar]

4. The Stand Your Ground issue brought the Zimmerman case

to the news, since that was a new issue. We don't know about the motives here. Zimmerman thought Trayvon was a punk there to cause trouble just due to his skin color. This case may have more personal motives.

[Demit]

8. This makes sense to me.

[wercal]

39. I think the OP makes a poor comparison

In the Hernandez case, the two knew each other and were considered friends...and an arrest has been made.

However I will continue to scream from the highest rooftop that this case (Zimmerman ) has nothing to do with stand your ground.

How do I know?

Well for starters, the defense did not request a special syg hearing.

And also, Zimmerman's version of events makes a claim he was pinned to the ground and could not leave....making a syg decision moot for him.

So again I will shout, contrary to the speculations of mashed potatoe brained talking heads on the teeeveee, this is not a syg case.

[cali]

5. Well, I've posted several threads on it but

I think there are circumstances that make it clear that this case isn't about racism at all. Your post is ridiculous. Comparing this to the Martin/Zimmerman case is not only odious but spurious.

and I suspect, your op has more to do with shit stirring than honest... anything.

[Inkfreak]

7. +1, makes one very suspicious. n/t

[Inkfreak]

6. If you can't see the difference between these murders

Your in no position to lecture DU.

[handmade34]

9. Non sequitur

[pscot]

10. Hardly fair

Since Hernandez was just arrested and the story is still developing.

[WestStar]

13. There was immediate outrage in the Martin case, from day one.

And some people are still arguing whether Zimmerman is really white or Hispanic.

[cali]

18. this case is so clearly not about race. why are you trying to make it into something

it is not?

[WestStar]

20. Martin or Lloyd? Or both.

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[madinmaryland]

26. There does not seem to be any racial bias in the Hernandez/Lloyd case that we have

heard about so far. Given that he is now being linked to additional murders it appears that he is more of a street thug.

[cali]

28. Hernandez/Lloyd. duh.

[NutmegYankee]

31. Lots of reasons for outrage.

Unarmed kid shot to death merely trying to get home. The other case has some shady factors going on, discussion of potential knowledge of other murders and talking to the wrong people.

Once again - UNARMED Child shot to death on way home from store.

[Ilsa]

12. Review the Travon Martin murder story.

The police initially let Zimmerman go without fully investigating what he had done. The police blew off the death of a Black Teen. There was a huge question about the racism of the police department, not just the shooter.

Interest died down for awhile after Z was indicted. The interest right now has a lot to do with the proffered defense of Stand-Your-Ground laws as a defense for murdering someone, and if Z was motivated by racism.

Yes, we should probably look harder ar the Henandez case. But we are also suspicious of your shit-stirring, especially as a new poster.

[WestStar]

16. The defense has not claimed "stand your ground"

They're claiming self-defense.

[Ilsa]

24. Initially, that's what they used, though.

That was the original argument for not being indicted. It was used before even if not now. There was a lot of discussion even in the media about the impact of this law. There was a neighborhood shooting in Texas right after that.

Apparently, the lawyers for the defense realize it doesn't work here, so they aren't using it.

What point are you really trying to make with your post? Be honest.

[caraher]

37. And who "they" represents is important

Zimmerman's defense team, now, may not be using "Stand your ground." But what made this such a scandal is that a different "they," Sanford police, did. The fact that it took nationwide attention to prompt any serious effort to investigate and charge Zimmerman is the real story. Did anyone need to hold press conferences begging for police to investigate Hernandez?

OK, I've spent way too much time on this thread. It's clear the purpose of the OP is to make DU suck just that much more...

[cali]

29. +1

[niyad]

14. amazingly enough, even I, who am as far as one can get from being a sports person, know about this

case, and what I know about it I learned here at DU. and, as is pointed out in other cases, there is absolutely nothing stopping you from posting about the case itself.

[caraher]

15. Call me back when this happens and the police set the killer free

The Trayvon Martin murder is not a scandal because the killer is Hispanic and the victim African American. It's a story because of the way law enforcement, in light of the "stand your ground" law, let Zimmerman go. It took massive protest to result in a belated prosecution.

What element other than Hernandez' sports fame renders his story particularly newsworthy, given the number of gun murders every day in this country?

[WestStar]

17. It took almost 2 weeks for the police to arrest Hernandez.

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[caraher]

21. Did they question and release him the night of the killing?

They can't arrest him until they've investigated. Evidently that took 2 weeks. In the Martin case they knew right away who the shooter was.

Edited to add:

From the Feb 26 killing of Martin it took 15 days for Sanford police to pass the case on to state prosecutors. It then took another 30 days (for a total of 45 days) before Zimmerman's arrest. And none of that happened without Martin's family calling press conferences that kicked off intense nationwide scrutiny of the case.

Lloyd's body was found June 17 and police searched Hernandez' house the next day. The death was ruled a homicide the following day. They arrested Hernandez June 26, a total of 9 days after the body was discovered (nearer one week than two).

Sources: George Zimmerman Case Timeline, Timeline: Aaron Hernandez investigation

[NutmegYankee]

23. And? It was obvious the investigation was ongoing.

[Ilsa]

25. Why did it take them that long?

Did they know it was him, did they have evidence? Or have the police spent two weeks gathering evidence for a solid arrest?

My understanding is that because of this murder, Hernandez is now a suspect in two other deaths.

[cali]

27. why are you trying to compare these cases? Let me point out why they're so different

1) Zimmerman and Martin did not know each other. Hernandez and Lloyd had hung out together. Lloyd was dating the sister of Hernandez' live in girlfriend.

2) The Hernandez murder wasn't about a run in. Lloyd was murdered in what the police are describing as an execution.

3) Hernandez' girlfriend is black.

There's a reason that no journalist (at least none I've seen in my research of the story) has compared the two cases. It's because they have little in common.

As for why the police took two weeks to arrest Hernandez, gee you think that maybe it had something to do with his being a very wealthy football star?

[JustAnotherGen]

19. I don't pay attention

To wealthy, coddled, worshipped athletes. My sports acumen is limited to Soccer and Formula 1 Racing. Those are what my husband watches/follows.

[NutmegYankee]

22. Ah, because he was arrested.

And the legal system appears to be working. And the case appears to have other motives.


Nice try though.

[The Straight Story]

32. Only time RW sports talk says anything good about blacks is when they score points

Or they can use them to cite reverse racism.

"But as the national spotlight falls on the embattled Hernandez, Lloyd has remained the player on the minds of his teammates, family members, and friends."

"The man’s mouth dropped open in surprise as he stopped in front of the church, digesting the fact that he was so close to a funeral that figured in one of the nation’s most high-profile murder cases, unaware of cars now backed up behind him."

"Three men in custody in Odin Lloyd slaying"

http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2013/06/29/family-friends-teammates-gather-say-good-bye-odin-lloyd/EYmqQIhUMTKG0YTBiGWT9O/story.html

So it involves sports (Hence...now wait for this....might be relevant to a sports talk radio program), and more than one possible perp, and there are a slew of other differences that cause people to see the case as different.

The problem with the RW is they are not happy a dead black man is getting so much press and someone other than a black man is being blamed.

[txwhitedove]

33. Oh FFS! I've read several news articles about this but never saw the victim was black. Of course

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it's an outrage. I think we were all too busy being horrified about a cold blooded NFL murderer chewing blue bubble gum. Murder is murder and it is wrong no matter what the race/religion/ethnicity/or sports affiliation!

[etherealtruth]

34. He was arrested, there is no cadre of idiots rising to defend his murderous behavior ...

As the posts in this thread describe there is no commonality except for the ethnic heritage of those involved.

[kestrel91316]

35. So was that case a trumped-up "stand your ground" murder of a child also??

I get the funny feeling that you aren't going to last very long here.

[Marrah_G]

36. It's awesome that you joined DU to set us straight

We are humbled by your wisdom.

[Jenoch]

38. "...right wing sports talk radio."?

[Ilsa]

40. Are you gone yet? It looks like you stopped responding to logical questions

about your flame bait post.

Just go away.

[The Straight Story]

41. I think that person is used to rw sites and is having a hard time with logic

and facts. Not saying they are a RW person but if they are listening to a good amount of rw radio and such maybe they are not used to people asking real questions and good observations

[TeeYiYi]

42. You expect us to believe...

...that your listening to right wing sports talk radio is a stretch?

TYY

[longship]

43. Flame bait, and DU is smart enough not to bite. nt

[Squinch]

44. Don't you have friends where you come from to talk to about this?

[SidDithers]

45. ...

Sid

[cali]

46. looks like he's scurried off.

[DirkGently]

47. Lack of racist implications?

No offense, but Rightwingers try to conflate circumstances like this all the time. To them, all that matters is the racial identities of whoever's involved. They imply people who see racist motivations are making things up.

They're wrong.

The Zimmerman case involves a man targeting, following, and confronting a total stranger he decided was suspicious, calling him a "f*cking punk" for no clear reason aside from his looks, and ultimately shooting him to death. There is a clear implication that Martin's racial identity played into Zimmerman's judgment. We have a known social issue in this country where non-whites, and particularly black people, are disproportionately assumed to be "suspicious."

Hernandez is accused of murdering *a friend of his* out of fear he could implicate him in another crime.

There's no parallel at all, unless someone thinks the only issue in the Zimmerman / Martin case is the racial identities of those involved, and the concerns about actual racial animus are made up.

But I suspect you maybe know that already?

[johnp3907]

48. "Fool" ignore.

[lunasun]

50. foolish troll

[lunasun]

49. well after listening to right wing sports talk radio. Hour after hour day after day

I can understand why you say you are suspicious of progressive sites!!

"Where is the media hype? Why must I listen to Sports talk radio to get the real news? "

have fun listening to your "real" race baiting news!!!

[brush]

51. Not a racial matter

They knew each other, were friends actually.

It was over an argument.

Possible roid rage as well.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

52. If you unjustly take a life you belong in the hoosegow or worse

I don't care what color you are.

Happy?

[pennylane100]

53. The rich Hispanic guy has already been arrested and charged.

He has been denied bail, and is now being connected to two other killings that happened a year earlier. What is your problem?

[adric mutelovic]

54. Many times, a black person has killed a Hispanic person

Shall we start a race war?