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Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
Sun Jun 30, 2013, 07:57 PM Jun 2013

Germans Loved Obama. Now We Don’t Trust Him.

By MALTE SPITZ
Published: June 29, 2013

BERLIN — IN May 2010, I received a brown envelope. In it was a CD with an encrypted file containing six months of my life. Six months of metadata, stored by my cellphone provider, T-Mobile. This list of metadata contained 35,830 records. That’s 35,830 times my phone company knew if, where and when I was surfing the Web, calling or texting.

The truth is that phone companies have this data on every customer. I got mine because, in 2009, I filed a suit against T-Mobile for the release of all the data on me that had been gathered and stored. The reason this information had been preserved for six months was because of Germany’s implementation of a 2006 European Union directive.

All of this data had to be kept so that law enforcement agencies could gain access to it. That meant that the metadata of 80 million Germans was being stored, without any concrete suspicions and without cause.

This “preventive measure” was met with huge opposition in Germany. Lawyers, journalists, doctors, unions and civil liberties activists started to protest. In 2008, almost 35,000 people signed on to a constitutional challenge to the law. In Berlin, tens of thousands of people took to the streets to protest data retention. In the end, the Constitutional Court ruled that the implementation of the European Union directive was, in fact, unconstitutional.

In Germany, whenever the government begins to infringe on individual freedom, society stands up. Given our history, we Germans are not willing to trade in our liberty for potentially better security. Germans have experienced firsthand what happens when the government knows too much about someone. In the past 80 years, Germans have felt the betrayal of neighbors who informed for the Gestapo and the fear that best friends might be potential informants for the Stasi. Homes were tapped. Millions were monitored.

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Germans Loved Obama. Now We Don’t Trust Him. (Original Post) Purveyor Jun 2013 OP
It's working! Turbineguy Jun 2013 #1
K&R Germany grasps the dangers woo me with science Jun 2013 #2
They are just too paranoid, Washington loves them! usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #3
What do the Germans have to hide? MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #4
Germans are the most progressive Harmony Blue Jun 2013 #5
Bravo for Germany. truebluegreen Jun 2013 #6
DURec leftstreet Jun 2013 #7
"...Germans are not willing to trade in our liberty for potentially better security." Fire Walk With Me Jul 2013 #8
'Now we are not sure where Mr. Obama stands.' flpoljunkie Jul 2013 #9
Goddam libertarians!! QC Jul 2013 #10

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
2. K&R Germany grasps the dangers
Sun Jun 30, 2013, 08:05 PM
Jun 2013

because Germany has lived them.

Our country is gravely corrupted. Purchased politicians and elections. Secret trade deals. "Supercommittees." Fake crises. Closed door deals. Attacks on the free press that is our primary check against government abuse. Militarized police. Targeting of whistleblowers and peaceful protesters. Dismantling of the Constitution. All under a common theme of profit for corporations.

And now a surveillance infrastructure whose capabilities dwarf that of any totalitarian state in history.

This may be our last chance to save ourselves. Thank you, Edward Snowden. Keep in mind that states that build surveillance infrastructures also build propaganda infrastructures. We will hear incessant reassurance that everything is all right.

It isn't.

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
4. What do the Germans have to hide?
Sun Jun 30, 2013, 08:12 PM
Jun 2013

If they have nothing to hide, they have nothing to fear. Why waste their beautiful minds on worrying, unless there's skeletons in the closet? Or perhaps the worst wurst you'd ever want to eat? Mit rotting grenkohl?

We'll get to the bottom of Germany's dark secret, just you wait and see.

Regards,

Third-Way Manny

 

truebluegreen

(9,033 posts)
6. Bravo for Germany.
Sun Jun 30, 2013, 09:01 PM
Jun 2013

We could do with a lot more healthy skepticism and activism in this country (beyond the outstanding denizens of this board of course).

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