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Archae

(47,245 posts)
Sun Jun 30, 2013, 10:35 PM Jun 2013

I'm waiting for the end of the Zimmermann trial before commenting, BUT...

Really what can we here, or anyone else for that matter do if Zimmermann is found not guilty?

Will Trayvon Martin's family go after Zimmermann in civil court?

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I'm waiting for the end of the Zimmermann trial before commenting, BUT... (Original Post) Archae Jun 2013 OP
As I understand it customerserviceguy Jun 2013 #1
I could see Z living very comfortably... Llewlladdwr Jun 2013 #2
Maybe there are enough Faux Snooze viewers out there customerserviceguy Jun 2013 #3
Zimmy will be looking over his shoulder the rest of his life Skittles Jun 2013 #7
I doubt that anyone will go gunning for him. tavernier Jun 2013 #10
I've seen the OJ comparison made before customerserviceguy Jun 2013 #12
the can still sue him BUT grok Jun 2013 #4
Martin's family will sue Azathoth Jun 2013 #5
Maybe the law is different in FL than in CA but Gman Jun 2013 #6
This is not an SYG trial. Zimmerman is claiming self-defense instead, now. n/t JimDandy Jun 2013 #13
I just hoping for no riot if that happens. bravenak Jun 2013 #8
Civil law is different and separate from criminal law Just Saying Jun 2013 #9
Don't worry. He'll have a show on Faux News and the KKK will make sure he's well taken care of. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2013 #11
the New Black Panthers mwrguy Jul 2013 #14

customerserviceguy

(25,406 posts)
1. As I understand it
Sun Jun 30, 2013, 10:44 PM
Jun 2013

with a full exoneration of an acquittal, Martin's family cannot go after any of GZ's assets.

In any case, I doubt there will be any, he'll be spending every possible dime on security, someone will want to be a "hero" and kill him. He's screwed either way, the only outcome being watched is whether his lawyer can get him off, nervous banksters will gladly pony up the tens of millions of dollars needed for legal fees. Of course, they'll have enough remaining to hire rent-a-cops to guard them, Zimmy probably doesn't have that going for him.

customerserviceguy

(25,406 posts)
3. Maybe there are enough Faux Snooze viewers out there
Sun Jun 30, 2013, 10:53 PM
Jun 2013

to buy a couple of million books, but the security costs of speaking engagements and/or book signings would take all of the profit out of those activities.

This is a man who will have to live like Salman Rushdie for the rest of his days.

Skittles

(171,704 posts)
7. Zimmy will be looking over his shoulder the rest of his life
Sun Jun 30, 2013, 10:59 PM
Jun 2013

since he is already an utter f***ing coward, his paranoia will increase with each passing year

tavernier

(14,443 posts)
10. I doubt that anyone will go gunning for him.
Sun Jun 30, 2013, 11:03 PM
Jun 2013

Even OJ - and we all heard that his life wouldn't be worth a plugged nickel - swanned around the country until a petty burglary put him back behind bars.

Most people are not capable of murder, contract style. And the mafia isn't interested in revenge outside of their own circle.

customerserviceguy

(25,406 posts)
12. I've seen the OJ comparison made before
Sun Jun 30, 2013, 11:09 PM
Jun 2013

but I don't find it comparable. Even after paying for a Dream Team of lawyers still had enough money for personal security. Also, white America is generally more content with the legal system than minority America, and there were far fewer people willing to make a name for themselves by finding and killing OJ. Besides, anyone who wanted to see OJ suffer could get their jollies watching Fred Goldman take him apart in civil court.

I would imagine that many places would erupt in riots if there were an acquittal in the Zimmerman case, and there will be vows of death threats on him for years to come. All that has to happen is for Zimmy to fail once, and he's shot dead. In any case, O'Mara doesn't need to worry about that, he'll have plenty of business from those willing and able to pay him the millions he'll be worth if he can get GZ acquitted.

 

grok

(550 posts)
4. the can still sue him BUT
Sun Jun 30, 2013, 10:54 PM
Jun 2013

Actually it may go quite well. I estimate the martins have at least 700 thousand dollar bankkroll after the HOS insurance company decided to settle early you can do alot with 700K! After crump and company got their cut of the loot.

The level of proof is MUCH MUCH lower too a civil trial. So who knows?

However count on gz invoking the STG law after arguments in this trial or after the trial itself. iff affirmed by a court, can't be sued.

The other issue is gz actually may not have many liquid assets or simply transfer what little he has to his wife's name. And then declare bankruptcy.

I doubt the Feds go after him. In so many ways they have already stated its not civil rights matter. with the martins+Lawyers declaring publicly it isn't racial makes it even more problematic.

Gman

(24,780 posts)
6. Maybe the law is different in FL than in CA but
Sun Jun 30, 2013, 10:58 PM
Jun 2013

After OJ was acquitted, Fred Goldman, father of Ron Goldman sued OJ in civil court and won. The burden of proof in a civil trial (preponderance if the evidence) is much lower than in a criminal case (beyond the shadow of a doubt). If Z is acquitted, he'd have a very hard time winning a wrongful death suit.

Perhaps the stand your ground law in FL prohibits wrongful death suits when someone has been acquitted using a SYG defense?

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
8. I just hoping for no riot if that happens.
Sun Jun 30, 2013, 11:01 PM
Jun 2013

I remember watching the Rodney king beating trial. When the verdict came in I was shocked, then I heard rumbling and when I looked outside I saw that it was people running. There was chaos and beatings, robbing and fighting, burning and bleeding. People i knew well were actually burning down buildings and robbing fedco.
I thing he will be convicted of something, if not i think he will be murdered. By a vigilante.

Just Saying

(1,799 posts)
9. Civil law is different and separate from criminal law
Sun Jun 30, 2013, 11:01 PM
Jun 2013

I don't know Florida law for certain but I would guess they can still sue for wrongful death. Civil trials have a far lower standard of preponderance of evidence rather than beyond a reasonable doubt.

Someone mentioned SYG which is a criminal defense and I don't believe would have any bearing on a civil case.

Of course it was in CA, but OJ was acquitted, but still lost a civil suit. And in this case, we know Zimmerman killed Trayvon.

Now I'm going by the law where I live as I understand it and I'm not a lawyer. Perhaps someone here knows FL law? But most answers you get will be speculation.

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
11. Don't worry. He'll have a show on Faux News and the KKK will make sure he's well taken care of.
Sun Jun 30, 2013, 11:04 PM
Jun 2013
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