A concealed carry permit holder, with no criminal record.

[Robb]

aka another Law Abiding Gun Owner(tm).

Suspect in ICU after shootout with Xenia Police

XENIA, Ohio (WDTN) - Police have identified the suspect involved in a police shootout in Xenia Tuesday evening.

Micah Tuck, 21, is accused of attempting to rob a video game store, then abducting two employees before he encountered police and the shootout ensued.

Tuck, who police said is from the Sugarcreek Township, walked into the GameStop in Xenia and took a game console and four games, and demanded cash, according to investigators. He then forced two employees to leave with him, but let them go in the area of Colorado and Wyoming drives.

That's where police said officer Mark Margioras spotted Tuck with a gun. About the same time, officers Jeff Moore and Brian Atkins arrived, and Tuck fired at least five rounds at their car.

The officers returned fire, shooting 10 or 11 rounds, striking Tuck in the back....

Read More: http://www.wdtn.com/dpp/news/local/greene_county/xenia-police-identify-shootout-suspect

[NYC_SKP]

1. Did the permit cause him to commit the crime? Would ending permits end these crimes?

I don't see the association.

People commit crimes that do have CCW permits, and other, most by far, do not.
Some have criminal records, others do not.
Some wear pants and others wear shorts, and some even wear skirts.

In any event, this is not a bright young man, risking so much for video games????

[Decoy of Fenris]

2. I'll give you a pity K&R to get this back on the front page.

Don't know why you do this to yourself, though. You'd think you'd learn.

[geckosfeet]

3. The article says "a concealed carry owner" - whatever the f that is.

[Decoy of Fenris]

5. Someone who owns one of these;

[NightWatcher]

4. Every criminal was law abiding up until they broke the law

That's kind of a weird tag to hang on gun criminals. Manson was a law abiding citizen up until he committed his first crime. Ted Bundy was a law abiding citizen right before he killed his first... Nobody has a criminal record until they are found guilty of their first crime.

[CTyankee]

7. and with all these guns, more folks can participate in the fun of the slaughter!

Lovely situation, ain't it?

[Decoy of Fenris]

8. Of course! You can't spell Slaughter without Laughter!

Man. Without us Gun Nuts, these Controller threads would sink to Page 4 in an hour. We should charge you guys a commission.

[Robb]

9. Without the gun nuts, there'd be none of these stories!

No point in regulating yourselves out of a gig, eh.

[Decoy of Fenris]

10. And without the Controllers, there'd be no need for Gun Nuts!

You create us, you give us purpose, and you complete us. Thank you. Truly.

[Robb]

11. That you believe there is a need for gun nuts

rather concludes things. Well done.

[Decoy of Fenris]

12. There's only as much a need for gun nuts as there is a need for those who wish to dominate others.

As I said, mate: We're nothing without you. And apparently, given the "popularity" of your threads, you're just as much "nothing" without us.

[Robb]

14. Careful, you might hurt my Internet feelings!

[Decoy of Fenris]

16. Well, we did get you guys out of the RKBA group, so... Yeah, I very well might.

[Robb]

19. Yes. GC&RKBA has become the last place on DU

...where a DUer can go and be a conservative, victim-blaming, progressive-hating "gun rights" asshole, and 9 times out of 10 not get called on it.

Yes, it's just astounding how the most-trashed group on DU doesn't have a lot of actual progressives posting within. The pride about it is the best part.

[Decoy of Fenris]

20. Well, we'd be less proud if the Controllers weren't so horridly wrong all the damned time. ;)

Seriously mate, most of us in the RKBA are quite amenable to UBCs and at least some form of registration. If you weren't constantly trash-talking us all the time, you might find a few allies. BainsBane and I will be working on something in the near future, possibly a template to start bridging the divide. I know a few others in the RKBA have found common ground with some of the more moderate GCRA folks and are willing to work towards a common goal.

You really should look beyond your prejudice and realize that we're not all-encompassing NRAbots hellbent on the destruction of mankind.

[Robb]

21. As I've said before

If you think you're being unfairly lumped in with monsters, perhaps you should reconsider standing so close to them, in opposition to the rest of us.

[Decoy of Fenris]

22. Or perhaps you should stop unfairly lumping me in with monsters.

You use a categorical broadbrush to swipe across gun owners, yet you put the burden on us to compromise ideals for the sake of your continued ability to broadbrush.

Robb, I know you're not an idiot. Likewise, even though I own a gun, I assure you that I'm not a complete moron either. We both know what game each of us is playing at, and I'm proposing a middle-of-the-road compromise. You want gun control? Fine, but it comes at the hands of those who know the topic best, know what will work, and know what won't; the gun owners. I agree that it's the burden of gun owners to act responsibly as both role models and mentors to other/future gun owners, but when our backs are against a wall, the cause of which being fellow Democrats, it's incredibly hard to make headway.

We're trying to ease some of the pressure -from- the left so we can move the dialogue -to- the left.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

29. Perhaps that Nietzsche quote...

...about the abyss might explain some pro-control attitudes.

[premium]

23. Oh, I get it now,

even though we support progressive policies, but because we also support the RKBA, we're conservatives.
Thank you for defining us.

BTW, how come you didn't post this thread in your little group? Not enough traffic over there? Seems kind of dead over there lately.

[CTyankee]

13. some of us have had gun violence in our families because a "law abiding citizen picked up an easily

available gun and wasn't law abiding any more. We can speak from bitter experience.

[Decoy of Fenris]

15. So can I. Two close friends and an in-law. Tell me more about what little experience I have. Go on.

[CTyankee]

17. honestly, do you really think I would enjoy getting into a pissing contest with you or anybody?

I feel the way I do about this issue. You can feel as you wish.

[Decoy of Fenris]

18. That's why I wasn't sure why you were bringing it up. Let's leave it at that.

For what it's worth, I'm sorry for the pain you must have gone through. No one ever deserves that.

[X_Digger]

6. Well it's a good thing that the rate for CCW holders is lower than the general public..

(This is for Texas, but I have no reason to assume the folks in Ohio are different..)



Based on: http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/rsd/chl/reports/convrates.htm

[NYC_SKP]

26. Oh. Shit.

Well, maybe the government numbers are fudged, eh?

[X_Digger]

27. A poster actually claimed that CHL holders in El Paso were crossing the border to kill Juarez women.

That was her only means of resolving the cognitive dissonance among the facts: 1. El Paso has a murder rate of 3 point something per 100k, 2. TX has 500k+ CHL holders, 3. TX CHL Conviction rate is 16x less than the TX general public, and 4. Juarez has at least one, maybe more, serial killers killing women.

But yes, the other typical objection involves ninja-like CHL holders who are sneaky enough to kill without being caught.

[Lizzie Poppet]

24. You really don't understand how statistics work, do you?

For every one of these anecdotes you ghoulishly post in GD, literally millions of counter-examples of CCW permit holders who don't break the law can be cited. The easily-verifiable fact that as a class, permit holders commit fewer crimes than average can be cited. And so forth...

[friendly_iconoclast]

25. They certainly have lower crime rates as a class than MAIG members...

[premium]

28. Bingo.

Nice touch.