How do I know Zimmerman's a liar? Stating Trayvon said, "You got me!"

[Pretzel_Warrior]

Straight out of some old black and white western or low budget crime movie where the "bad guy" issues forth with some cheap line like that.

That was clearly pulled out of his ass when being interviewed by police.

[PDJane]

1. After he'd been shot in the chest, too.

Seems a bit overdone.

[Hooray for Pepe]

8. experts say trayvon was conscious for 20 seconds to several minutes after the shot

How long does it take to say "you got me"?

[HipChick]

10. That wasn't an expert..It was Zimmerman's best friend..he is not a doctor

H

[Pretzel_Warrior]

12. they meant expert on trying to free Zimmerman the racist.

[Hooray for Pepe]

15. wrong. those experts are not Zimmerman's friend

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-08-17/news/os-trayvon-martin-autopsy-20120817_1_trayvon-martin-george-zimmerman-blood-loss

[Pretzel_Warrior]

20. your reading comprehension sucks

Trayvon may have been ALIVE for up to a couple of minutes. Then the doc mouths off with total speculation that he may have been conscious for a little bit anyway.

What does that mean? 5 seconds? 1 second? 30 seconds?

He didn't say the evidence clearly shows the guy was engaged in a 1 minute soliloquy. (look it up).

[Hooray for Pepe]

27. Why do you ask me if it was 5, 1 or 30 seconds, when the article answers that?

Your last post was proof that you did not visit that link at all.

Read: "The two doctors agreed that Trayvon remained conscious for a time. Anderson suggested the teenager may have been conscious for several minutes. Manion estimated it at just 20 to 30 seconds."

So despite the article mentioning 20 seconds as the minimum amount of time, you play dumb and ask if it was 1 second or 5 or 30. Where did you get the 1 and 5 from?

Then you say "Doc" instead of "Docs" (more than 1 doctor is plural), because you want people to think that only one doctor is being quoted.

Previously, someone made up that it was Zimmerman's friend saying that he was conscious for a while, without even waiting for the link. That one got egg on her face too.

Now relax, put on your reading glasses, and read.

[uppityperson]

32. Experts NOT say "trayvon was conscious for 20 seconds to several minutes after the shot" but DIFFER

in how long he was conscious. One says 20-30 sec, the other says maybe several minutes. Your use of "experts" is because you want people to think that both agreed it was 20 sec to several minutes but they disagreed on how long. It would be more accurate and less misleading to say experts DIFFER on how long he was conscious.

[Pretzel_Warrior]

33. none of them knows. Got it? none. He could have blacked out immediately

you don't know. those doctors don't even know. what? is the point of you bringing this up, anyway? To defend this racist, lying killer? Just curious.

My original post wasn't even questioning whether he could have talked after being shot. Just saying that those words came from the barely functioning brain cells of an accused murderer trying to get away with it--not from Trayvon himself.

[Pretzel_Warrior]

11. no one in real life who's just been shot is going to say something as treacly as that. got it?

no one. certainly not a black teenager. Nice that experts know he was conscious that long. How can they possibly know that? Oh, they can't.

[uppityperson]

18. Nope. 1 lung collapsed, the other filling with blood. "Oh gosh, you got me, you got it, you got me"

Yup. Perfectly logical there. And about "nope". Those experts differed, did not say "20 sec to several minutes".

1 expert said 20-30 seconds, one said "several minutes". What you write implies they agreed "20 sec to several minutes" and they didn't.

[Hooray for Pepe]

29. at which point did the lung collapse?

?

2) were his vocal cords hit?

[uppityperson]

36. A person can have perfectly functioning vocal cords yet not be able to talk. Good grief.

They need to be able to pass air through their vocal cords and mouth to talk. Having 1 lung collapsed and the other filled with blood does not give much if any time to talk. Try talking without passing any air out of your lungs. Say "oh gosh, you got me, you got it, you got me". Doesn't work, does it.

I notice you did not address my point about "experts say" vs "experts differ" on how long he MAY have been conscious for but instead ask about vocal chords. Odd, that.

edited for typo

[Hooray for Pepe]

39. Repeating: When did the one lung collapse?

2) At which point in time did the other lung fill with blood)

3) Do you feel the prosecution dropped the ball by not even suggesting your he-couldn't-speak theory made Zimmerman's claim unlikely?

[Pretzel_Warrior]

40. maybe their juxtaposition of Zimmerman's statements and expert opinions

will help the jury see that point. That this guy is living in a fantasy and virtually everything he said was either later contradicted by his own later words or by physical evidence.

Maybe that's how they'll nail this racist murderer to the wall.

[uppityperson]

42. Repeating: What you write implies they agreed "20 sec to several minutes" and they didn't.

[anneboleyn]

52. Pepe, read about hydrostatic shock and a 9mm shot directly to the chest

and then come back and tell us about how Trayvon was reciting Shakespeare, Lone Ranger dialogue, etc. as he died. Zimmerman's story, given the effects of that type of deadly, massive-trauma chest wound, are unlikely at best. The problem is that "you got me" makes it sound as though Trayvon was a cops-n-robbers "bad guy" who confessed while dying.

[CatWoman]

25. now you've gone from posting pro zimmerman defense threads

to posting pro zimmerman defense rebuttals in other threads.

busy little bee.

bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.............

[FarPoint]

37. His lung was penetrated by the bullet...

so I seriously doubt he spoke a full sentence as stupid as that one.

[lumpy]

45. And Zimmerman told the inverstigator that he wasn't sure he even hit Martin ?

Sure like..someone is going to sit up after being shot in the heart point blank and make dramatic 'old schools movie' statements of surrender. After the fearful and deadly experience of fear and dying that Martin had just gone through, I don't think so. Zimmermans has tried to use every trick in the book to shift the blame for his killing onto the victim and onto God himself.... Zimmerman's biggest fear,most likely, was that Martin might get the upper hand if he got ahold of Zimmerman's partner in crime, the gun.

[JI7]

2. how about him claiming trayvon said something like "you are going to die tonight"

or some other stupid line which seemed out of a lame action movie.

[Pretzel_Warrior]

3. yep. that too. they guy definitely shouldn't go into writing screenplays

unless it's for Lifetime or FX. They'll take any dialogue.

[Nevernose]

4. That's only one version

From before he spoke to a lawyer. Originally Trayvon was an insane, motiveless killer who was hiding in the bushes (bushes which were later removed from the story because they didn't exist), who leapt out wordlessly and sucker punched him.

[Scootaloo]

9. And this is how I know Zimmerman's a racist

His "story" of a random black man just lurking in the bushes, waiting to pounce on him, intent on murder just because?

That's textbook "black brute" right there. It ties in with the "criminal black man" as well.

Even if (and i think it's a very big if) Zimmerman had no preconceptions when he chased Trayvon, he was clearly more than willing to dig up Birth of a nation and gangsta Rap bullshit to build his version of the story. And since we heard more about Trayvon's grades and possible marijuana use, and not so much about Zimmerman's assault of cops and his girlfriend, it seems to have been a successful tactic... the media just loves the "evil black thug."

[malaise]

14. Excellent post

:fisttbump:

[Nevernose]

17. And one of his own family members says he a racist

As well as a former coworker.

No one in my family would ever call me a racist, not if you held a gun to their heads.

[pokerfan]

5. Bad B-movie dialog

The "you got me" moment is used in movies because it shows the bad guy's dying thoughts is the realization that the good guy bested him. But movies aren't reality.

It does go to show Zimmerman's belief that he was the "good guy," a crime-fighter protecting his neighbors from "fucking punk assholes." His words, not mine.

[lumpy]

47. If I can believe my ears and some other ears who noted it...I listened to a tape of

Zimmerman's voice while he was talking to a dispatcher and he was muttering to himself in an audible whispery voice "f##king coon". I don't believe my ears decieved me.

[kittykitty]

6. My husband said the same thing last night. Zimmerman's "You got me",

and "you're gonna die tonight", are right out of a B movie. Not something a black teenager from the 'hood would say!

[pnwmom]

7. You forgot, "Gosh!" The other big thing, for me,

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was learning that there was blood in his skittles -- so he had to have been holding them when he was shot. So we're supposed to believe he was fighting Martin and bashing his head while hanging on to his bag of Skittles?

[TorchTheWitch]

24. he wasn't holding the Skittles

They were in the front pocket of his sweatshirt with the iced tea. Showed that in the forensic photos. If blood got on them it was from the gunshot wound. If they had been in his hand they would have been on the ground where his phone and headset were. That blonde forensic tech person testified she took them and the can of iced tea out of that pocket. For some reason seeing her hold up the bag with the Skittles in it in court bothered me more than looking at his bloody sweatshirt or anything else.

[rainy]

35. I was wondering if he still had his tea and skittles when the scuffle started. If so then its very

clear that Travon had no intentions of attacking first. Obviously he would have put that stuff down if he was hiding and waiting to attack.

[TorchTheWitch]

68. both the can of tea and package of Skittles were in his pocket

The big pocket on the front of his sweatshirt. One of the officers that started CPR said he could feel the can of tea in his pocket, and the forensic tech woman who testified said she took both items out of that pocket.

However, both his cellphone and headset was found on the ground near his body separated from each other (they weren't still connected by the cord). That tells me that he was still on the phone with Rachel as she testified and that he was holding his phone in his hand while his headset was on his head. Nobody ambushes a person while holding their phone, wearing their headset and talking to someone on that phone. The headset and phone being found in the grass corroborates Rachel's testimony as well.

I absolutely believe that it was Zimmerman who put hands on Martin in some way first. I also absolutely believe that the moment Zimmerman thought he was in any danger of any kind from this kid he would have whipped out his gun. That's why people carry guns in the first place - to stop an attack from even happening. It was Zimmerman's gun that gave his the courage to get out of his car and chase Martin in the first place, and I'll never believe that he didn't draw it at the very first inkling that he was in any kind of danger from Martin. I also absolutely believe that Martin fought with him because he was already afraid of this creepy guy that was following him and that Zimmerman pulling a gun on him induced him to fight for his life with every belief that he was about to be shot by this nut.

I'm watching yesterday's testimony right now on YouTube, and O'Mara just confirmed that Martin was sitting on Zimmerman so high up that his knees nearly reached Zimmerman's armpits. How on earth could Zimmerman have gotten his gun out of his holster THEN with Martin's leg in the way? He would have had to go under Martin's leg that was pressed against his body and even Zimmerman said that he thought Martin felt the gun's presence against his thigh, or get his arm up an over Martin's thigh in order to whip out his holstered gun from his pants? He has normal length arms and would not have been able to reach his gun going over Martin's thigh. I absolutely believe that Zimmerman already had his gun in his hand and that was the whole reason for the physical altercation with Martin in terror trying to get that gun away from him. Which also makes me believe that the reason Zimmerman shot him was that he was afraid that Martin WOULD get it away from him.

[Th1onein]

54. "Blood in his Skittles"

Jesus F. Christ, that's heartbreaking. Damn it. Damn it. Damn it.

[HappyMe]

13. All 17 year old

guys are way into corny 50s type dialog.

[tallahasseedem]

16. This is just ridiculous.

I would imagine if he did say anything it would have been more along the lines of, "you f**king shot me", "OMG!", or something along those lines.

You got me? Get real.

[polly7]

19. I know ..... I've always thought that was one of the most pathetic

Zimmerman lies. IF Trayvon was able to say anything at all after being shot, I'd imagine it would be begging for his life or crying in pain. Just thinking about that is horribly sad though, I hope it was so instant he didn't say anything at all.

[lumpy]

48. Hear hear. A pathetic lie if there ever was one.

n

[Rex]

21. Ya, much to the chagrin of the Zim defenders here

he buried himself with the jury imo, as soon as he opened his mouth and started lying his ass off.

[Boudica the Lyoness]

22. The funny thing is

that some of the people commenting on this thread have no idea that their stereo typing of black teenagers is coming across as very racist.

[Pretzel_Warrior]

23. true.

[Th1onein]

55. It's B movie, 1950's dialog, okay?

Not something a youth, of any color, these days, would say.

[HooptieWagon]

26. Zim said that, or his father?

I thought it was his father who said that. Either way, its pretty corny fake dialog. Sounds like an old gangster movie. But yea, it was pretty much the tipping point when we knew th Zimmermans were liars.

[Pretzel_Warrior]

30. it was recordings of police interviews of the accused, George Zimmerman

a dirty rotten punk who wanted to kill with that replacement cock he had in the holster.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/07/01/jury-hears-zimmerman-claim-trayvon-said-you-got-me-after-being-shot-in-lung/

[HooptieWagon]

34. ah, ok. I thought it was interview Zimdad gave to media...

...where that shit was flung against the wall.

[magical thyme]

28. Agreed. Further, while the autopsy and expert testimony says Martin was alive and possibly conscious

for up to several minutes (and likely in considerable pain) the autopsy also states that:

. the bullet perforated the right lung on entry
. one of the three bullet fragments further damaged the right lung.
. Both lungs were collapsed; it doesn't state partially collapsed with a percentage, so I'm guessing fully collapsed.
. 1300 mL of periocardial fluid filled the right lung and 1000 mL of periocardial fluid filled the left lung.
. While his heart continued beating, it forced his blood into the periocardial cavity

Based on my quick research at work yesterday, were he still able to breath at all, he would have been gasping for air. You can speak with one collapsed lung, but I couldn't find anything on both collapsed, and with the additional trauma, it would surprise me if he was able to vocalize at all.

I'll leave it to any doctors in here to comment on that.

Cause of death was that bled out into the periocardial cavity. Once he was shot it was unlikely he could be saved. CPR would simply have forced more blood out of his circulatory system.

[polly7]

41. I highly, highly doubt he was able to vocalize anything clearly.

Just my own personal opinion from calls for pts. with Cardiac tamponade or any kind of serious chest injury/condition. For a wound as critical as Trayvon's, I just can't imagine it ... thanks for this part of the autopsy report, I hadn't seen it.

[lumpy]

50. Looks like Martins dying 'confessional' statements

where conjured up by Zimmerman on the way to the police station.

[lumpy]

49. Thanks for the post. Illuminating.

n

[uppityperson]

53. You can not speak with 2 collapsed lungs. There is no way to push air out to speak if the lungs are

collapsed. At most, he would have had 1 breath to say "oh gosh, you got me, you got it, you got me". More likely he was able to make 1 "ahhhh" sort of noise and that was all.

Movies with heads not attached to bodies are wrong in that the head can not talk unless they are hooked up to something pumping air through their trachea, vocal cords, mouth. Same with lungs that are collapsed.

For those who wonder, breath out all the air in your lungs. At this point you still have air in your lungs but they won't compress further to push air out. Can you talk or make a noise except by clicking your tongue? Having collapsed lungs is the same. No air to push out. No talking, words, noise.

[magical thyme]

65. I expect that's true if they are fully collapsed. But with a partial collapse, you can speak

The autopsy didn't indicate partial or full, so I'm speculating it was full. Especially given the amount of fluid inside his lungs.

You are correct, however, that it is air passing over the vocal cords that enables us to vocalize. No air movement means no voice.

The normal, resting volume of air capacity is approximately 500 mLs, with variations based on age and size. That is, a normal inspiration and normal expiration will inhale and exhale 500 mLs. During a forced inspiration, you can force up to 1600 mL total into your lungs. The periocardial fluid in Martin's lungs totaled 2300 mL. It seems unlikely with that much fluid forced into his lungs that he would have been able to vocalize.

[Hooray for Pepe]

58. Why don't you keep guessing, and tell us how long it took for the lung to collapse

More or less than what's needed for someone to vocalize "you got me"?

I estimate that "You got me takes about 1 second or half a second. Assuming Trayvon waited 5 seconds to say it, that's 6 seconds or so.

Hey, we're all guessing.

[Pretzel_Warrior]

61. turns out there was a recording. what he actually said was

why did you shoot me, you racist little cunt?

[magical thyme]

64. reporting the autopsy is not guessing. His lungs may or may not have collapsed instantly

the impact of the bullet from such a short distance would likely have been enough to force the air from his lungs for a full collapse.

My personal experience with being "winded," that is, all air pushed out of my lungs, vacuum lost and unable to inhale, was due to a double barreled kick to the chest by a horse at point blank range. I expect the impact of a bullet shot from a gun pressed to your sweatshirt is greater than a horse's kick. Just speculation here, on my part.

p.s. Enjoy your visit. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

[uppityperson]

66. +++++

[ThePhilosopher04]

31. Zimmerman must be a fan of the movie Used Cars ...

Around the 1:05 mark ...

[Tanuki]

38. He reminds me of a Travis Bickle type,

and he had probably played out the whole scenario many times, cheesy dialogue and all, in his vigilante fantasies.

[WinkyDink]

43. The LIE is in the fact that Z ALSO claims NOT to have known IF TRAYVON WAS HIT.

[Pretzel_Warrior]

44. It's sick how he had to make up so much. like how Trayvon ended up

in the position he was in despite his statements about what transpired. These experts should have done a much better job, in my opinion, in bringing home what an avoidable kill this was and that this guy has a history of resentment toward others not like him, and that he was somewhat of a nuisance to the local police with his vigilante bull calling in all kinds of nothing such as a little 8 year old black kid walking around the community.

[WinkyDink]

63. I agree! Dang. So many "big" cases I've wondered about the Prosecutors!

[noiretextatique]

46. zimmerman, sociopath, is trying to say Trayvon admitted guilt

yet another reason to despise the murderous liar. why would anyone say "you got me?" the bastard is implying that Trayvon was indeed up to no good. zimmerman is complete scum.

[lumpy]

51. Yes. part of Zimmerman's cover up story.

To paraphrase..."God made me kill Trayvon and Trayvon confessed to me that he was up to no good, and I was justified, so therefore I feel no remorse or regret ".

[Pretzel_Warrior]

56. yep yep. I hadn't even thought of the "dying confession" angle. truly a scumbag, that Z

I hope he rots in jail. And that a few brothers in his cell block choose to acquaint him with what a REALLY BAD DUDE looks like and does--as opposed to the innocent teen, Trayvon.

[raccoon]

57. ITA--that goes under the "They wouldn't do that" heading. nt

[Pretzel_Warrior]

59. not really sure what your post means.

for instance, what is ITA?

[billh58]

60. I believe that

ITA means: I totally agree.

[Pretzel_Warrior]

62. ahhh....thank you. I am down with a lot of acronyms such as IMO and IIRC, etc.

but ITA escaped me.

[raccoon]

67. Let me explain. My sister and I, sometimes when watching movies, say

"They wouldn't do that," meaning that the character(s) wouldn't do/say what they did in the movie.

For instance, when the burglars in HOME ALONE kept on and on trying to get in the house after the little boy sets all sorts of booby traps on them--"They wouldn't do that."

Edited to add: Trayvon wouldn't have said that, is what I meant.

[tavernier]

69. Please stop this.

The only thing I'm convinced of is that he did NOT say, "You got me".

That and forty other things.