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eridani

(51,907 posts)
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 04:17 PM Jul 2013

Bright-Sided: How the Relentless Promotion of Positive Thinking Has Undermined America

Book by Barbara Ehrenreich Some quotes below.

http://www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/6642954-bright-sided-how-the-relentless-promotion-of-positive-thinking-has-unde

“Breast cancer, I can now report, did not make me prettier or stronger, more feminine or spiritual. What it gave me, if you want to call this a “gift,” was a very personal, agonizing encounter with an ideological force in American culture that I had not been aware of before—one that encourages us to deny reality, submit cheerfully to misfortune, and blame only ourselves for our fate.”

“There is a vast difference between positive thinking and existential courage.”

“I couldn't help noticing that the existential space in which a friend had earnestly advised me to 'confront [my] mortality' bore a striking resemblance to the mall.”

“But the economic meltdown should have undone, once and for all, the idea of poverty as a personal shortcoming or dysfunctional state of mind. The lines at unemployment offices and churches offering free food includes strivers as well as slackers, habitual optimists as well as the chronically depressed. When and if the economy recovers we can never allow ourselves to forget how widespread our vulnerability is, how easy it is to spiral down toward destitution.”

“I do not write this in a spirit of sourness or personal disappointment of any kind, nor do I have any romantic attachment to suffering as a source of insight or virtue. On the contrary, I would like to see more smiles, more laughter, more hugs, more happiness and, better yet, joy. In my own vision of utopia, there is not only more comfort, and security for everyone — better jobs, health care, and so forth — there are also more parties, festivities, and opportunities for dancing in the streets. Once our basic material needs are met — in my utopia, anyway — life becomes a perpetual celebration in which everyone has a talent to contribute. But we cannot levitate ourselves into that blessed condition by wishing it. We need to brace ourselves for a struggle against terrifying obstacles, both of our own making and imposed by the natural world. And the first step is to recover from the mass delusion that is positive thinking.”

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ananda

(28,859 posts)
1. Well, magical thinking has infected the infantile attitudes of many in government.
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 04:24 PM
Jul 2013

That's for sure.

It's related to an abused syndrome, and many Dems, including Obama,
have it bad.

The lesson to learn: you can never please abusers and bullies... even
if you try to be like them.

Kurovski

(34,655 posts)
2. Nor is breast cancer "sexy", as more than one foolish advocate has tried to endorse.
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 04:45 PM
Jul 2013

Facing reality is the first step in taking care of one's self. deriding a person for being "negative" in this regard is...deranged. I've heard it said in my own experience. "You have to stop this negative thinking", such a statement is also at times a non-responsible way of stating "I don't want to get involved".

As for cancer, it is a growth industry and is being sold to us as a marvelous adventure. Such is the corporate mindset. Such is the attitude of a money-making culture that creates the conditions of cancer itself.

Don't give up your autonomy to the hucksters. Don't deny any part of your reality. Demand change in the conditions that force us to force a smile, in all parts of life be they personal or civic.


K&R

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
5. I'm much happier when I can pay my bills
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 05:17 PM
Jul 2013

And when the Gov't is not reading my mail.

Positive thinking is a cute idea, but positive reality is superior.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
6. Positive thinking is about believing you can handle the bad things that happen
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 05:52 PM
Jul 2013

and still hope for good things. People just don't understand what it means.

There are people who indulge in negative thinking which is unrealistic too.

Orrex

(63,208 posts)
7. In my experience negative thinking provides a more accurate representation of reality far more often
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 06:29 PM
Jul 2013

I'm not saying that to be a gloomy gus, either; I would love to be wrong about it.

But in decades of exploration of the topic, I have heard nothing to dissuade me, aside from trite Hallmark slogans.

BuddhaGirl

(3,605 posts)
9. Everything is about balance.
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 07:05 PM
Jul 2013

Positive thinking does not equal magical thinking...I agree - that it is believing that one CAN deal with diversity.



 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
8. The whole "That which does not kill you, makes you stronger" crap has got to go too....
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 06:31 PM
Jul 2013

Too many people just EXPECT you to be an inspiration.

RainDog

(28,784 posts)
12. she's a great public speaker/writer
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 08:01 PM
Jul 2013

I admire her work.

and she's absolutely right. "positive thinking" is the flip side of the puritan belief that bad things happen because you deserve them.

both are fucked up povs.

and she's also right that this bullshit thought process moves the issue from collective action to personal blame for not being "positive enough."

Oh those Jews in Poland! They just weren't positive enough.

Yeah. That's what it boils down to.

total asshole thought.

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
13. Asshole thought
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 10:55 PM
Jul 2013

That supports bad social systems.

There's a reason it's been pushed so hard with so much money- it pushes the guilt back on the people who are being victimized, as you pointed out. It's perfect for a bunch of scammers like the guys on Wall St.

distantearlywarning

(4,475 posts)
14. I read this terrific book a couple of years ago
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 11:03 PM
Jul 2013

I agreed with pretty much every point she made.

This positivity-uber-alles magical thinking BS that has infected this culture is nothing more than a nicer-sounding version of the same old victim-blaming for every bad thing that happens in the world. Oh, you got cancer? It's probably because you weren't positive enough! Oh, you're worried about being laid off? Think happy thoughts and maybe that won't happen!

I myself am a staunch realist. I try to determine the truth about every circumstance to the best of my ability and face up to life with pragmatism. These days that often comes across as pessimism or negativity, but I'm not actually a negative person by nature either. It's society that's negative and I just tell it like I see it. The bright-siders want me to lie so they don't feel bad about the way the world ACTUALLY is right now.

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