How the Professional Left's Blind Obama Hatred Got them Played by a Far-Right Nutjob

[michigandem58]

...So let's talk about this man that has been granted hero status by the Left's loudest prognosticators and provocateurs. The transcripts released by Ars Technica are about a lot more than Snowden's previous contempt for leakers. He hated social security, loved Ron Paul and his ideas, and peddled the NRA's garbage about fighting the government with guns. He suggested punishing both leakers and publications that publish the leaks. All in all, Edward Snowden is a right wing, anti-government nutjob who has managed to become the hero of so many on the reactionary Left...

http://www.thepeoplesview.net/2013/07/how-professional-lefts-blind-obama.html

[Tarheel_Dem]

1. Haven't you heard? It was Nth dimensional chess, he was playing so as not to blow his cover!

[Maximumnegro]

15. LoL. That was my favorite theory.nt

[Tarheel_Dem]

17. I still can't read that poster's responses without breaking into laughter.

[Number23]

66. Girl, was that not the DUMBEST DAMN POST of 2013?

Maybe even of the 21st century? How that poster has not been laughed off this board is a COMPLETE mystery to me.

"Snowden was just covering his tracks even though he talked about how "dreamy" Ron Paul was and how shitty Social Security was for YEARS before he even went to work for the NSA!11one! He must have KNOWN they were going to be spying at him at some point between the next 5 to 73 years!1"

That and the "Obama in Berlin -- Then and Now11!" post were just classics.

[Tarheel_Dem]

75. IT IS UPROARIOUS! I had to show that one to my boss cuz I thought I misread. Needless to say, much

fun was had by all! Do you think the poster was going for a DUzy?

[Number23]

81. I know that post was no surprise to you, me and a whoooooooooooooooooooole bunch of other

people. But I lmao every time I see one of their posts now and the 3-4 high-fivers and hanger-onners that always seem to be there "Big Upping" every dim witted utterance. I am serious when I say that I don't know how this person hasn't been laughed off the board. That post was truly a high (low?) mark in head-scratchery in what has become a veritable sea of same.

Do you think the poster was going for a DUzy?

Aren't they always??

[Tarheel_Dem]

84. Absolutely no shame in her game. Keeps coming up with more elaborate and more preposterous claims.

The idea is to make the administration look bad, at every turn. But considering that now infamous post, I frankly don't think the poster is equipped.

[Cha]

94. The Obame Hate has rendered them

impotent.

[Number23]

102. Agree. But that was some extra special silliness right there

By no means that posters' first go at the Rodeo of Rubbish (they are pretty much regulars there) but it was an amazing spectacle nonetheless.

[sheshe2]

103. Googled, impotent~

This is what came up, or not!



Cha

[Cha]

105. WOW, She! That's exactly the definition I was going for!

You're too much! May have to borrow that from time to time?

she

[Number23]

115. The official comic of Democratic Underground

and probably a bunch of others too.

EXCELLENT find.

[nineteen50]

78. France

has apologised to Bolivia for refusing to allow President Evo Morales' jet into its airspace, blaming "conflicting information".

[The Straight Story]

2. Maybe because he exposed something started under and perfected under bush

Which we didn't like then nor do we now because politics and country are more than about a single man we voted for.

It's something about ideals and principles.

[leftstreet]

3. How did Obama get elected with all this 'hatred' of him?

[tridim]

11. Thankfully people vote at polling places, not on neo-DU.

The hate is apparently a million miles wide and only a millimeter deep.

[Aerows]

55. Oh wait - now we are on Neo-DU when we display distaste

for a violation of the Constitution?

Good grief. I'd rather be in bed with a rattlesnake than a person with political ideas like "we must not dissent".

[nineteen50]

69. Du is sounding like Politics on Toast lite

with authoritarians 24/7

[Iliyah]

65. I like "faux progressives" as welll

lol lol lol

[baldguy]

50. Because he's always been a center-right populist.

I had no illusions about Obama. The only people that are whining now believed the RW propaganda about him being a socialist.

[Mojorabbit]

56. It is not how he campaigned. nt

[leftstreet]

70. LOL He campaigned like an FDR

He would never have gotten the primary away from Hillary if he'd been honest about his 'center right populist' policies

[baldguy]

73. Reagan campaigned like FDR, too.

[leftstreet]

83. Now you're just being silly n/t

[baldguy]

92. And if you don't believe that today's political campaigns

don't emulate successful campaigns from the past - with the language, the imagery, the appearance, etc. no matter which party they're from - then you're hopelessly naive.

JFK emulated FDR, Reagan emulated JFK, used Nixon's Southern Strategy & bits from FDR, Clinton emulated JFK & FDR, Obama emulated bits of Clinton, Reagan, JFK & FDR.

[dkf]

4. No...it's the far right nut job that believes in all data all the time.

[dionysus]

27. coming from you, that's rich...

[dkf]

30. I'm not an apologist for the total surveillance state so don't look at me.

I always said I was to the left of Obama. I think it's hilarious how many have shown themselves as right wingers.

[dionysus]

32. LOL.....

[dkf]

36. I took several of those political spectrum tests and seriously, I am to the left of Obama.

His rating is a lot more towards the right than I thought at the time. Now I understand why.

[retread]

46. Doesn't mean very much. So was Richard M. Nixon. n/t

[Aerows]

57. And that doesn't tell you something?

That doesn't help your argument very much, but please, continue making it if it makes you feel better.

[Laelth]

5. Use of the term "Professional Left" is highly suspect, imho.

just fyi.

-Laelth

[truedelphi]

13. Is the term being used not an alertable one?

I mean, it's basically stating we are trolls. Paid trolls.

This started under Nixon back when we were out in the streets demonstrating because of you know, dead people in Nam. And dead students at Kent.

Folks used to josh one another about whether their check had arrived for that day's demonstration.

[dionysus]

29. yet it's kosher when people call Prosense a paid troll like every other day....

[zappaman]

35. More like every other hour

but yes!

[dionysus]

37. if only we had a bullwhip toting journalist to get to the bottom of this...

[zappaman]

38. Or a 10 inch knife carrying one

who has been in "enough shootouts to give nightmares" and once was on a path to be a championship fencer before becoming a marine, cop, firefighter, EMT, paramedic and journalist.

Sadly, such a person only exists as fiction.

...but one can hope!

[Jackpine Radical]

82. Or just one who stays out of Mercedes.

And small planes.

[Tarheel_Dem]

80. +1. "paid troll", and a lot of other vicious names. But I haven't seen one hidden yet.

[michigandem58]

40. Hit a nerve?

[Aerows]

49. Yes.

But not ours.

[burnodo]

97. Well, it should be

But not here at neo-DU!

[Jim Lane]

111. The worst of it is that Soros is late with the check AGAIN this month. (n/t)

[Democracyinkind]

6. Further pursuing the question of "how many threads does it take"....

[RGinNJ]

7. He is not my hero

but a good deed may perhaps sometimes trump the written word.

[MrSlayer]

8. The so-called professional left always hated spying.

Hated it under Chimp, hate it even more under a guy that was supposed to be better but turned out not to be.

I think Snowden is a jackass but his personal political beliefs are irrelevant to this story.

Were the "professional leftists" not supposed to care about this or give it a pass because a guy on "our" team was doing it? Pah!

We don't have a team, no one with any real power is on our side and the shit going on under this administration stinks to all seven heavens.

[nadinbrzezinski]

9. Our daily ...

[Bonhomme Richard]

12. +1 N/T

[Aerows]

47. This is the most amusing attempt at shit-stirring

I've seen yet. My Mother always has said, the more you stir in a pile of shit, the worse it stinks. Looks like this latest attempt has backfired as heartily as my mother suggested it always does.

[djean111]

10. I only care about the stuff Snowden revealed.

Killing the messenger doesn't change a damn thing.
Anyway, what exactly is the real fallout from anyone on the left praising Snowden?
Bunch of posts and blogs. So what. How is the "professional left" (what does that mean, anyway? That lefties are only progressive because they are being paid? Do we have professional centrists? Are they volunteers?) being played? What are the consequences of "being played"? Having our posts and blogs snuffled up and marked for further study by the NSA?
I don't see "hatred of Obama", either, I mostly see "failure to praise stuff Obama does".
I don't care who the president is, it doesn't mean I have to like what the president does.
Anyway, Obama is not running again, so why all the angst about criticism? Were we all going to be asked to pay for his library or something? A presidential legacy? Who cares? It is what is done when a president is in office that matters.

[bowens43]

14. this attacking the messeger nonsense is getting a bit old

And this professional left bullshit destroys any credibility you might have had.

[duffyduff]

16. Personality cults are always bad

Obama deserves every bit of criticism leveled at him.

[Maximumnegro]

19. Except Obama isn't asking for attention

How often does he have to tell people that they have to make HIM be able to get the government they want.

Hell 2010 he was criticized for NOT being more visible and speechifying, hence part of the reason we lost the midterms.

Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't. The projection level on Obama is insane on all sides. Really doesn't matter what he does I'm convinced, people are obsessed. Bizarre.

[OilemFirchen]

22. Absolutely.

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Personality cults are always bad.

I think my Hero Ed Snowden coined that truism.

[Aerows]

45. Funny you should say that

here's a mirror. I suggest you look into it.

[OilemFirchen]

63. What does that mean?

[Aerows]

64. Oh, I'm sorry

You didn't get my reference. Allow me to retort. Look in the mirror.

[OilemFirchen]

71. I see now.

Some do standup, some do sitcoms, some write parody. Your specialty is pratfalls.

Took me a while.

[Aerows]

72. That was a good one

I still don't agree with you, but thanks for the laugh.

[Tarheel_Dem]

86. +1000. They don't mind cults so much as they do the "personality" involved.

[Cha]

96. rofl

freaking hypocrites.

[Cha]

93. President Obama can handle all the bullshite thrown at him by

ragers on the internet while doing an outstanding job of taking care of business.

Cheap pot shots on the internet from stupid assholes in the gop and anywhere else don't affect anything that has to do with him doing his job.

[Jim Lane]

112. Query re your phrase "Cheap pot shots on the internet...."

For each of the following summarized posts, please state for my education whether it constitutes a cheap pot shot on the internet:

1) The government of the United States, under the leadership of Barack Obama, is engaged in certain types of domestic surveillance. Here are the facts about the surveillance, and here are the reasons to believe that it violates the Fourth Amendment and/or is otherwise inimical to American liberty.

2) Some of the facts about the domestic surveillance have become public because of Edward Snowden, who has in the past made the following ill-considered statements on completely unrelated topics.

Obviously, I think that the second one is a cheap pot shot (and a total irrelevancy) but the first one is not. Am I missing something?

[WorseBeforeBetter]

18. Alright! Spandan, Crap Blogger extraordinaire...

makes an appearance! One of the great political minds of our time!

[Cha]

20. I don't think they got played so much as went

along with it. Greenwald's obviously a hero and can do no wrong. So what, Snowden's a far right libertarian idiot? No problem. They're just claiming it isn't about Snowden.. which is not true. Snowden made it about himself when he went fleeing to Hong Kong and then leaked his stolen docs.

If he weren't such a chicken shite, paranoid far right wing nut job he could have gone the civil disobedience route if he believed what he was doing was so just.

Snip***

Snowden's Uncivil Disobedience

Edward Snowden, the former intelligence analyst who leaked to the Guardian and Washington Post classified documents on the National Security Agency's anti-terrorism surveillance program is not practicing policy-based civil disobedience, or any form of civil disobedience for that matter – despite Sen. Rand Paul's claim to the contrary. His flight to Hong Kong and possible efforts to win asylum from Iceland or China violate a central tenet of the philosophy. Resisters who break a law must accept that they may be arrested and have a duty to submit to punishment.

Moreover, Snowden, to answer a question posed yesterday by Jacob Hayutin on this site, is not a whistle-blower. A whistle-blower is one who reveals to the public wrongdoing, corruption or illegal behavior committed by those in authority, but who also cooperates with investigators as they work to ascertain the veracity of those allegations. Snowden had a chance to properly blow the whistle. He could have reported serious problems associated with the National Security Agency program to Congress under a process established by the Intelligence Community Whistleblower Protection Act. The law would have provided Snowden legal protections and given Congress an opportunity to properly investigate the matter without jeopardizing national security.

***Snip

Snip***

As of now, Snowden is an unpredictable variable carrying a trove of information of great value to countries conducting espionage activities against the United States. If Snowden is truly committed to protecting American democracy, to demonstrating civil disobedience, he should voluntarily return to the United States immediately. Otherwise, the government should exercise whatever legal means it has at its disposal to bring him back to the U.S. to face the consequences of his actions.

***Snip

http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/jamie-chandler/2013/06/18/nsa-leaker-edward-snowden-is-neither-a-whistle-blower-nor-a-civil-disobeyer

Now he's in Russia doing world class whining about his status.. blaming Pres Obama when it's all on him.

Yeah, he ain't no MLK or Rosa Parks.

Mahalo michigandem

[GoneFishin]

21. The professional left. Funded by Wall Street hedge fund managers and Koch brothers.

It's rocket surgery right before my very eyes.

[mick063]

23. Professional Left

Those that scream for the removal of corporate influence from government, every day, post after post, in an effort to expose a corporate sock puppet President.

Yea. That's me.

Thanks for the compliment. I have never been described as a professional blogger before. When is payday?

[GoneFishin]

34. Sorry I should have used the sarcasm thingy.

Seeing as we are both from the professional left I can offer you half a can of baked beans, or a cup of herbal tea. ** BINGO ** JACKPOT **

[mick063]

39. No, it is I who miscommunicated

My post was actually directed at the OP. It was your post that inspired me to respond to him.

I'll settle for a half can of cat food. It seems to be the fashionable ration now days. By the way...how much did that data collection center in Utah cost?

[GoneFishin]

48. Wikipedia says about $2 billion, or about 6 billion cans of cat food (the cheap stuff of course).

[Snotcicles]

60. The only thing that tunes me out faster then "Professional Left" is " Birth Certificate". nt

[RC]

108. Brought to you by the same people.

coincidence? I think not.
They defend policies bu$h started and Obama continued and even expanded. Doesn't sound very Leftest to me. Same paranoia, same solution to sooth it. Same excusing war, drones and blowing up wedding parties. They trust no one who does not agree with everything they do. And yet here they are.

[burnodo]

99. Where's mah check, dang it!?!?

[WillyT]

24. Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha !!!

That's a real thigh slapper, that is.



Thanks for the laugh!

[Scuba]

25. I miss the unrec button.

[Aerows]

43. Me, too

Wait a minute, I smell someone calling us both right wingers in 10...9...8 Scuba.

[Scuba]

52. Racist right wingers.

[Aerows]

54. Homophobic, racist right wingers

Might as well get all of the insults lodged in one place, particularly if they are going to be projected ones

[East Coast Pirate]

77. Careful or they'll call you a pornographer.

[SammyWinstonJack]

53. +1

[upaloopa]

26. Wow we dug up the "professional left" meme. I don't think I've seen that for

a couple of years. I think it was back in 2010.

[Aerows]

42. I was thinking the same thing

We haven't seen this one in the last few years. Must be dire to dig up that old trope.

[former9thward]

28. He (if it is Snowden) says NRAers are "lunatics".

But you say he supports them. So he is calling himself a "lunatic"? It all sounds made-up. I think you are the one who has been played.

[mike_c]

31. ROTFLMAO....

[dgauss]

33. That there is "blind Obama hatred" on this board is a pretty useful fiction I suppose.

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Need to dismiss any and all criticism of Obama? Finding it logically tricky at times?

Obama hatred! Issue resolved, movin' on...

[Aerows]

41. Mmm

The "Professional left". That's a new one. Not.

[HooptieWagon]

101. They'll return to "racist" shortly.

Flingable feces only come in a limited assortment.

[galileoreloaded]

44. officer lahey says "im not drunk"!

[Civilization2]

76. +1 for "I AM the liquor" funnest sht ever,. .

[WinkyDink]

51. "The Professional Left"?? 732 posts? Yeah, okay.

[99Forever]

58. Bwahahahahahahah.

Cool story, bro.

[Aerows]

62. Interesting narrative

sibling is about all I can say for this one

[shenmue]

59. But... but... you kick puppies!

That's what they'll say about you. The rabid Snowdenites think you're either for him, or you're a villain in a Daniel Silva novel.

[Aerows]

61. Rabid Snowdenites!

That's a new one. Because we care so much more about the messenger than we do about the message. I mean, hey, he's a sexy beast and that's the ONLY reason why we care about the information he released. We don't care about anything but the personality (projection).

[Civilization2]

67. yeah and with all that got a job with the NSA!!!!

or one of its corporate contractors since the whole military-intelligence system is corporate now.

[CakeGrrl]

68. There you go spoiling the romance!

You see, the latest theory/wish/hope/dream is that Snowden DID escape to Bolivia after all, to be joined by his loving girlfriend.

And in doing so, evading the clutches of the Evil Obama Empire, leaving its desperate*, dickish*, power-hungry*, faux Democrat* despotic figurehead clutching his fists in anger, having failed to bestow ponies on those who did him the huge honor and favor of putting him in office.

I think that would be the crowning vision of the fantasy.





* terms used to refer to POTUS on DU

[savalez]

116. That's like Star Wars for Snowdenistas. n/t

[Jessy169]

74. I've never been a Snowden fan, but this is just killing the messenger

Despite the fact that we have learned that Snowden is a sorry piece of shit who hates grandmas and wants them working until the day they drop, that doesn't change the fact that he revealed some very important information.

I hope that going forward we can drop the "Snowden is a hero/Snowden is a traitor" crap, recognize that he's a major A-Hole, and just focus on the information he revealed, specifically:

WHY is the NSA doing this very aggressive monitoring and WHAT are the implications?

I believe that the fact that any one person's online/cellphone "privacy" is being violated is a minor issue compared to the answers that those two questions might reveal.

[AverageJoe90]

79. Thank you. So much.

I had this awful feeling, TBH, that something was off about this fellow from the moment I first found out about him on DU.....unfortunately, subsequent research is telling me that we were right, and how!

Regardless of whatever legitimate problems this guy may or may not have exposed....he's still no fucking hero. He's a goddamn useful idiot for TPTB, that's what. Nuttin' more, nuttin' less.

[michigandem58]

95. Thanks n/t

[AverageJoe90]

109. No problem, fellow Dem. It had to be said. n/t

[Starry Messenger]

85. Oh, The People's View!

[L0oniX]

87. LMFAOROTF

[stupidicus]

88. Hindsight is no replacement for the foresight BHO worshippers lack

but it's far better than the blindness they struggle to maintain.

some of them remind me of the rightwingnuts I use to debate before and after the Iraq War -- everything was as simple as "Bush-hate to the dismissive idiots.

Such small minds make such a small world for themselves, which I guess is little more than a coping/ego preservation reaction to inconvenient truths that such rhetoric and tactics always fail to bury.

[MisterP]

89. what I don't get is the tremendous tone of justified outrage, as though they

actually proved that the "professional left" got played: I completely fail to grasp the motive here
I'll leave the left-right alliance with Russia and China (which, as we know, are the only authoritarian, spy-happy countries) to someone else to puzzle over

[DeSwiss]

90. ....

[Safetykitten]

91. I am as of today a RW, professional left person, and oddly a sockpuppet.

The sock puppet is a new one, as I did the unthinkable. In another thread, I put in a link to a government website for health insurance. A dear kind poster then said that "I did not log out" and then thought maybe this information that I put there when I was applying for health insurance was seen by him. I deleted the link about pre-existing conditions.

Now I am a sock puppet.

[HiPointDem]

98. i thought professionals got paid. the only people posting here i suspect of getting paid aren't

people of the left, and that is obvious from their repetitious cheerleading for neoliberal measures.

[randome]

104. You show no class when you say crap like that.

[hr]
[font color="blue"][center]I'm always right. When I'm wrong I admit it.
So then I'm right about being wrong.[/center][/font]
[hr]

[HiPointDem]

106. working class. and proud of it.

[whatchamacallit]

100. The Pee Hole's View n/t

[mstinamotorcity2]

107. WTF

Oh somebody tell me this shit not for real. Is this the stuff tombstones used to be made of.

[Rex]

110. More liberal bashing, from the usual suspects.

YAWN. Funny for people that HATE Ron Paul and Ralph Nader...they sure do love talking about them so fucking much that I believe they secretly lust after these men for whatever petty reason they have formed in their tiny brains. They secretly LOVE Paul and Nader! Otherwise why talk about them so much!?

[Jamaal510]

113. Some of these folks have perhaps gone so far left that they've met the far-right. nt

[boilerbabe]

114. which DUer runs "the people's view" blog? good christ. nt

[animato]

117. Thanks for this perspective

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