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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe White House has nothing to lose from outright denial of influence in the Morales incident if
they are not responsible.
Nothing at all.
If they have noresponsibility for the incident, they also have absolutely nothing to gain from declining to comment, which leaves the question of their influence in uncertainty.
If the Europeans acted on their own initiative, a simple phone call from the White House to the various state departments responsible for the Morales incident would clarify what the position of these state departments is, which the White House, on being questioned, could simply repeat.
There is nothing in it for the White House in allowing easily dispelled rumours to circulate regarding their influence on the incident if they didn't have any.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)US involvement and the US admission that they have been in contact with the ally countries, it is very telling.
sibelian
(7,804 posts)I have no idea what they think they're doing. Unless they like the idea of US influence being gossiped about, which is just weird.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Very interesting.
sibelian
(7,804 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)"Much more blunt was the statement from Mexico's Congress condemning what it called the "disgraceful and discriminatory" treatment Mr Morales had received in Europe."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/bolivia/10158924/Latin-American-countries-call-summit-over-diversion-of-Evo-Moraless-plane.html
"Mexico reaffirms its conviction that must be respected international law principles and good diplomatic practice among States, as immunity from jurisdiction enjoyed by a Head of State ".
http://www.informador.com.mx/mexico/2013/469384/6/mexico-lamenta-restriccion-contra-evo-morales-en-europa.htm
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)I take Mexico's offense to be a denial of responsibility.
You had to know that I was being 100% facetious. You had to know that.
sibelian
(7,804 posts)As they have no motivation to exert such influence...
sibelian
(7,804 posts)Have you anything of substance to go with it?
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)These kinds of rumors are never dispelled. It's utterly pointless for the State Department to comment on the faux incident that went down in Austria.
treestar
(82,383 posts)There are posters who have already decided, so this demand for a denial is pointless.
ljm2002
(10,751 posts)You say, "There are posters who have already decided,"...
in response to a post that says
"It's utterly pointless for the State Department to comment on the faux incident that went down in Austria. "
It would be hilarious if it weren't so deeply pathetic.
MotherPetrie
(3,145 posts)CakeGrrl
(10,611 posts)When you have people here saying they don't trust anything the government says or does, they won't hear anything that points to non-government culpability.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)The same people demanding an explicit denial are the same people who would be the first to call the US government liars.
galileoreloaded
(2,571 posts)and it seems that they can't tell who to trust. so they will most likely start going hard.
Good 'ol Niccolo:
"Its better to be feared than loved if you can't be both."
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)sibelian
(7,804 posts)I'd have expected a unified position out of them by now if they were all still pals.
dkf
(37,305 posts)This is the US lying to us yet again.
flamingdem
(39,303 posts)that the USA won't get into.
I don't see any convincing reporting that any country truly denied Morales passage.
So there was a lot of miscommunication, Bolivia built their own paranoid narrative and / or cover stories
ljm2002
(10,751 posts)"that any country truly denied Morales passage."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2013/07/03/evo-morales-controversial-flight-over-europe-minute-by-heavily-disputed-minute/
(emphasis mine)
Note the Washington Post admits Hollande is "allowing the possibility that the flight had been denied permission". However, I would say he is outright admitting it, given that in his very next statement he says that he, personally, authorized the overflight. If he had to authorize it, that means it was not authorized to begin with. We know that the flight of any head of state will have filed a flight plan. This one included flying over France. France's President became personally involved in the flight of this one airplane. Are you seriously trying to argue that President Hollande is lying here? Or that his statements do not verify that overflight was denied for some period of time?
OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)By saying nothing whatsoever, they keep the Perpetually Indignant on both the right and left in a self-imposed tizzy, locked in their Righteousness Enclaves feeding each other bullshit. Meanwhile, the overwhelming majority of the public who give not one whit can enjoy their family outings in peace.
Checkmate, sez I, and off to flip the burgers!
sibelian
(7,804 posts)Enjoy the burgers.
Pssst. Check them for bugs.
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)Bon Appetit.
warrior1
(12,325 posts)was someone from Russia hinted that Snowden would be on the plane and these countries do not want the headache of him in their country.
Whether or not. I hope the bring him to justice.
sibelian
(7,804 posts)"someone from Russia hinted that Snowden would be on the plane and these countries do not want the headache of him in their country"
(I corrected "what" to "want". I do hope that's what you meant)
warrior1
(12,325 posts)Last edited Thu Jul 4, 2013, 05:05 PM - Edit history (1)
sibelian
(7,804 posts)"We weren't in the loop"
struggle4progress
(118,034 posts)Perhaps Austria, Bolivia, Italy, France, Portugal, and Spain are in the best position to sort out amongst themselves whatever happened here and to discuss the steps necessary to reduce the chance of future problems
It's already a 3-ring circus: adding an extra act seems unlikely to clarify matters.
sibelian
(7,804 posts)...welll... wouldn't that depend on the act?
struggle4progress
(118,034 posts)then we can figure out whether more info is needed and where to seek it